It's a question as old as time. Well, so long as time started in 2014. Given what happened with Bill Cosby, many have wondered whether Fat Albert is still salvageable. Let's answer that question once and for all.
That reminds me of a line from the first Pirates movie: Norrington: “ This is a beautiful sword. I would expect the man who made it to show the same care and devotion in every aspect of his life.” Goes to show that a creation isn't always reflective of it's creator and shouldn't be judged by it.
If some company ever considers rebooting Fat Albert somehow, I feel like a good work around for the young Bill character is by giving him a slightly different name. Something like Will or Hill. It's similar, but not the same.
I checked out a couple of episodes here on RU-vid, earlier today and...they were actually fun. While I've never grown up with the show, I knew OF it; particularly whenever one of those toll-free number commercials for products played. Of course, I'm referring to when such a commercial involved selling the Fat Albert cartoon on VHS and DVD. To this day, that ad still resonates in my memory
@@Imaginamisuperfun It's OK to still have it as "The Cosby Kids" I mean people still watch The COSBY Show. We can still enjoy his work as long as we don't enjoy what he has done. Besides, he can't hurt anyone now, he's growing old in jail
I have the same birthday as bill cosby, and I used to think that was really cool as a kid. Life comes at you fast. Also I remember really wanting to see the fat albert movie the day it came out, which was christmas, and for some reason my family spent the christmas of 2004 seeing fat albert, which is really weird looking back
Wow, I‘m glad I’m wasn’t the only one who is kinda familiar of Fat Albert. I was introduced to Fat Albert from its 2004 movie. It’s basically Rocky & Bullwinkle’s Movie, except for Far Albert’s movie, it’s *WAY* to 2000’s!
My own feeling about the whole "separate the art from the artist" thing is that it's strictly personal. On the one hand, I feel like it gets used too often as an excuse, kind of like "I didn't know what I was doing, I was drunk!" Whatever happened still happened and, at the very least, should be acknowledged. On the other, if all you're talking about is enjoying something in the privacy of your own hime on your own time, nobody's stopping you. If you wanna watch or talk about it in mixed company, maybe make sure everyone is comfortable with it first. Otherwise, your feelings about it are strictly your own. That, to me, is my biggest issue with cancel culture: whether or not I agree with the consensus, it's still the act of telling people who are trying to deal with very, very complex emotions how to feel about it before they've even fully understood how they feel or what they're feeling about to begin with. And it's sure as hell not "starting a dialogue" (rule of thumb: avoid any and all thinkpieces with the words "We need to talk about..." in their title; their goal isn't to educate so much as lecture), quite the opposite, it's sticking your fingers in your ears and pretending the ugliness doesn't exist. "It's bad and you should feel bad" doesn't just not help solve the underlying problem or even address it, it's a hinderance to progress and more than a little disrespectful to people who ARE trying to educate themselves by providing them any and all facts in the form of sardonic editorializing.
I watched an episode at random... and somehow found the most coincidentally creepy Cosby wraparound where Bill says how neat Novocaine is for how it can put you out...
As somebody who watched Fat Albert on french Teletoon Retro as a kid (it was tied in with a french singer called "Carlos"), and who didn't even know about Bill Cosby before the scandals (I didn't paid too much attention to the movie to understand that Bill Cosby or that Fat Albert was an adaptation of one of his stand up routines was a real person) or before earing about how his show was against the early seasons of the Simpsons, yeah, really watchable as far as I know.
I think they could put Fat Albert back on tv either in a reboot or reruns of the old show but if they do a reboot it should be called something different like Fat Albert And The Junkyard Gang.
I'd say that it is. I've watched a few episodes a while back and I was thoroughly entertained. The animation can be clunky, but the writing is honestly great! There were a ton of really good lines, especially with some of the banter, and the show taught some good lessons in some episodes. So overall, it's still watchable, and arguably still enjoyable.
My favorite quote has to be from one scene where they're playing tug of war against Albert, and Rudy says "how can we beat someone who brushes his teeth twelve times a day?" Albert: "I brush _twelve_ times a day?" Rudy: "Yeah, after each meal!"
I completely forgot that the guy from Good Charlotte was in the movie. I also forgot that that was what Macbooks looked like in 2004. What a time to have been alive.
Same here. I still have unlimited respect for Bill Cosby despite his legal troubles, his time in prison, & most, if not all, of his honorary degrees surrendered. He deserves a second chance even though he'll be 84 when he gets out and even so, is unlikely to jump start his career because of his failing health such as his poor eyesight for one thing. No matter what people say about him, I will continue to show my loyalty to Bill no matter what whether its from Fat Albert, Picture Pages, or Little Bill, he's still O.K. is my book.
I mentioned this in the chat, but it bares repeating. While the cartoon series, especially the short form specials that lead to the series, were based on Bill's Stand Up, that's basically the only part of the "creation" of the show and characters he was involved in. And considering they were based on real life people, it wasn't like he came up with the characters full cloth. Bill may have voiced a few characters and hosted the series, but he did not write ONE episode. The show had a large creative team, mind you, and even in an interview in a DVD booklet, producer Lou Scheimer he doesn't know to what extent the characters were based off their real life counterparts, since said large team developed basically every character and personality trait. Think of Bill as Bob Kane and everyone else on the show's staff as Bill Finger. Among other things, that's why the movie has a strange disconnect. Bill wrote the movie, but never the cartoon series. And even then, that's because there was an alternate script for a different movie where Forrest Whittaker was to star, but Bill had right of refusal owning the characters, and hated it so much he just wrote one himself. So anyway, that's kind of why separating art from the artist is a pretty hard sell with this one. On the one hand, it's deeply associated with Bill and he owns the characters (the series is a co-ownership thing kinda like how He-Man is owned by both Mattel and Universal), but there were many other artists and writers involved with the series. It's where Paul Dini got his start. If you have to do moral gymnastics around the series to justify still liking it, think of the writing staff who actually made the show. Or be like me and exclusively think about the French version. Bill wasn't dubbed over, but rather replaced by a large comedian named Carlos. If you remember the obscure Saban cartoon "Around the World in 80 Dreams," yep. That guy that turns into a bull is him. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aZUzazWOtqw.html
Whatever he did still I respect the man. I grew up watching him on TV and I met Bill Cosby in person when he did a show at the old St.Louis Arena when I was working as a vendor.
Even if the show didn't hold up well, especially its creator, I lowkey enjoy this show and its characters. Especially the songs, they're decently composed and catchy.
One of my favorite episodes is The Fuzz. The episode has the gang’s friend, Parker, who tries to fool around with people on the job. One of the pranks he did was trick Fat Albert into turning a false alarm. He got the idea on seeing a cook cooking his and seeing smoke made gave him the idea. He then decided to retreat and everyone, except Fat Albert, did so they won’t get caught and Fat Albert was left explaining to the firemen about the false alarm.
to be fair, in making Fat Albert a likeable and respectable guy, This show was sorta subconsciously anti-fat shaming. That’s something for the 70’s P.S OneyPlays tho
I heard in a documentary about Fat Albert and Bill Cosby said that the reason why he made Fat Albert as a good kind-hearted person is that fat people get a bad rep in animation. And boy that aged well, considering that Fat Albert came before the trend of stupid or jackass fat characters were mainstream like Homer Simpson, Peter Griffin, and Eric Cartman. Not saying this is bad and all, but there are not many friendly fat characters nowadays.
Bill Cosby seems like the kind of guy who thinks he’s the best and needs to shoehorn himself into everything. He did it in Little Bill too. When the Fat Albert movie came out, there was a picture of Bill Cosby on the front cover of the DVD. I didn’t recognize him at the time and thought “why is he on the cover? He’s barely in the movie.”
To say nothing of the syndicated episodes from the early-to-mid-eighties. These took on MUCH more serious issues, including teen pregnancy, grief, crime (after getting caught with a friend who stole a car, the gang gets shown a prison to show what could happen to them if they hung around with such a bad influence), racist hate groups, and--most shockingly of all--a gang war in which the innocent brother of one of the gang members was shot and killed onscreen.
I remember seeing this show when very young. I don't remember much other than the "hey hey hey". I have tried to go back and watch cartoon I remember fondly, it has always been a mistake.
Come to think of it, it wasn't the first time Eddie Murphy got into it with Bill Cosby. Back in the day, Bill's late son, Ennis, was a fan of Murphy but the Cosby's were not approving Eddie's profanity...Eddie had even brought it up in one of his stand-ups.
“i know what a shock” oh wow, “i know” and “shock” in the same sentence. not like that’s the DEFAULT THING TO DO WHEN YOU USE “SHOCK” SARCASTICALLY OR ANYTHING.
@@mediamementosofficial The difference between Bill Cosby and John K is that even before the two girls, John K was a major pain to work with. With Bill, he was a pretty great guy in the 90's and the mid 2000's. However he eventually too successful and arrogant that it corrupted him. So I like the old Bill, but I dislike what he became in 2014.
The difference between Bill Cosby and John K is that even before the two girls, John K was a major pain to work with. With Bill, he was a pretty great guy in the 90's and the mid 2000's. However he eventually too successful and arrogant that it corrupted him. So I like the old Bill, but I dislike what he became in 2014.
John K artistic style, John K guitar licks, John K voice, but yeah, John K does not paste himself everywhere. Maybe creating new characters with better stories and animation could be worth watching. In the meantime, I'm pledging to the kickstarter to reboot Fat Albert with John K as head animator
John K. started his career in Filmation working on reboot versions of Tom & Jerry and Mighty Mouse. The next decade shows him at his creative peak with Ren & Stimpy which made him a good & bad guy.
Quite a few of them. The best one I can think of is when they call Russel “Russel Cosby”. That’s the one where he and Bill have to get their tonsils out.
I despise sex pests more than anything else in the world but I can still hold a soft spot to Fat Albert. I don't even think about Cosby and just really think about characters like Rudy, Dumb Donald, Russell, and the head honcho himself whenever I revisit past episodes or crack jokes about the show. A question I'd like to hear from you would be if do you think that TV networks such as the Shout Factory could re-air or re-release old Fat Albert episodes with a disclaimer beforehand, or is there a lot of complications in terms of Bill Cosby still getting royalties from the show?
When this all went down, I was really disappointed. I believed in him. You never know what someone is capable of. DISQUIETING at best. Still I will watch the cartoon.
Bill Cosby's alleged (and likely true) misdeeds were never the barrier for me, since _most_ creators of children's television wind up being up to pretty skeevy things behind the scenes (especially in animation). I just never had a nostalgic connection to the original, and trying to watch it later I wound up cringing rather than laughing. It's just not at all to my tastes.
Sigh... Season 13, episode 22 "Poppa's Got a Brand New Badge." frinkiac.com/img/S13E22/96930.jpg And of course there's the episode "Walking Big and Tall" where the leader of the fat acceptance movement is a fat black guy named Albert.
Frinkiac is an archive of Simpsons quotes by episode. Every screenshot is 100% taken from a full episode of the series. Any other link I'd give you would be from a pirate video site. I can't find the single scene on YT.
You should look more into the culture of the day and the things that Cosby was accused of. The man was passing out party treats that he effectively got at the party. You need to look at the context of things.
The difference between Bill Cosby and John K is that even before the two girls, John K was a major pain to work with. With Bill, he was a pretty great guy in the 90's and the mid 2000's. However he eventually too successful and arrogant that it corrupted him. So I like the old Bill, but I dislike what he became in 2014.
Unfortunately, as the narrator stated, you can't. Bill Cosby is everywhere. Even if you edit out all the Bill Cosby bits, the episodes would run like commercials.
this was the first and only movie I went to where there was nobody else in the theater. (well, aside from my mom, since I was a kid at the time.) and no, I had not seen the cartoons. i was completely baffled
What kind of a question is that? It goes along the same generic line of "Bill Cosby Bad. Bill Cosby in Show. Show Bad." Such an npc title. Just take the positive, and leave the negative.
Who cares besides you're never going to completely bury something as famous as Bill Cosby and Fat Albert remember Charles Manson he was a musician and you know Axl Rose from Guns and Roses he recorded some of his songs and the money went to his victims families as the money for the copyrights to all of his music dies
Could you please NOT include police sirens in this video. Some of us have ptsd and hearing that suddenly for no reason other than your unfunny joke was infuriating to deal with.
