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Is Graphic Design Even Art? 

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An analysis of the question, "Is Graphic Design Art?"
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Thank you so much for watching as always!
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Chapters:
00:00 [INTRO]
00:24 [THE GRAPHIC DESIGN PROBLEM]
00:49 [DESENSITIZED TO DESIGN]
01:24 [DEFINITION]
01:37 [HISTORY]
02:50 [DUH]
03:31 [ANDY WARHOL]
05:51 [BARNEY BUBBLES]
07:30 [CONCLUSION]
07:52 [SUBSCRIBE?]
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@Dice______
@Dice______ Месяц назад
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@cheesecakelasagna
@cheesecakelasagna 2 месяца назад
When I was in uni for graphic design and multimedia, I remember a handful of profs during the first week of class said something along the lines of: "Art is personal, design is commercial." So if you only want to do you and not willing to adapt, you're not gonna make it in the industry. Paraphrasing the hell out of it because English is not my first language. 😅
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
WOW! That's insane that professors are saying that. I'm no scholar, so I can't say they're wrong even though I disagree. I would think they might be a little jaded by the industry. Another thing is, can't you make something commercial and still art? Why not? There are many solutions to a creative problem! Also, thank you so much for commenting and contributing to the conversation! Your English is great dude! Props to you; it's not an easy language to learn.
@nicolasbastidas8738
@nicolasbastidas8738 2 месяца назад
I really liked the video, as a graphic designer and artist myself I can tell you that graphic design can be art, but at the same time I believe we do have to make a distinction between art and design, design in its core is trying to solve a problem, while art is pure creativity. Growing up I had the same problem with wanting to be an artist but having to “settle” with graphic design until I discovered concept art and decided to go that path because I feel it’s more artistic.
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
Oh wow, awesome getting the input of someone who’s really in the industry! That’s an interesting dichotomy to propose, a difference between art and design. Almost to separate the “graphic” element from the “design” element. I would nonetheless pose a question though, can the very act of coming up with a solution to that problem (design) not be an art in itself? It requires creativity, no? Thank you very much for the input! Always love the conversation a video generates.
@mykalacase9753
@mykalacase9753 Месяц назад
To me graphic design will always be art as a graphic and artist at the same time who loves both drawing and cutting out pics of my phone or any other electronic device I love being creative and graphic design will always be creative as much as art is. Tbh art to me is anything creative like : drawing, painting, graphic design, nail art, music, game design, and writing. Anything can be art since art stems from the creativity of your brain. I love art and I love creative things and people it’s amazing all of the art that we can create.
@Dice______
@Dice______ Месяц назад
100% agree ! it's all what u make of it !
@maxrivera1557
@maxrivera1557 Месяц назад
As a Graphic Designer slaving away in an office space I have always explained graphic design as "Commercial Graffiti". It holds the same properties art exists in which is channeling into the creative frequencies in yourself and the world around and using them in what ever to want to convey or express onto any form of medium. But of course there is the other side of the coin which is the limitations you might run into when doing more "commercialized" work but through those limitations in that's where designers are able to convey their message in the more idealized way. Graphic design is the fundamental practice of defining and conveying the identity to anyones vision to share with the rest of the world. Graphic design is Art but art isn't graphic design.
@treasuremuch9185
@treasuremuch9185 2 месяца назад
It can be artful, both given freedom in layout/colors. Though typically, graphic design is adhering to parameters and specifics set by some authority who hires the talent/employee/agency. Words are most often included in those layouts, so there is less "landscape" available for creative focus/showcase. To be able to achieve an attractive visual with message does take skill/thought/creativity and does possess artfulness. And all done within confines set by others. I did design/advertising for years and enjoyed the challenge of the parameters. When I see designs of many things I come across, I do love a good/great visual and will stop to take it in to begin with.
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
Very true! I only touched on it briefly by saying "corporations suck the life out of these things," but you pretty much summed it all up. Thank you for commenting!
@carneliayoo729
@carneliayoo729 Месяц назад
I got into graphic design because I saw it as another form of art that I could use to express my ideas/thoughts. However, in school, I quickly realised this field isn't for those who's just lookin for art. Graphic designing is more commercial than the credit it is given. My teachers started to ignore me the more I worked differently, while my peers got all the praises for adhering to what could be sold commercially. And now that I'm trying to change, and kinda force myself ro make designs for sale, I see myself lagging behind and coming back to my pet projects. But then again, you just cannot complain since everything is for the eyes only. And what sells and pays the bills matters the most.
@Dice______
@Dice______ Месяц назад
you’re completely right and i’ve experienced the same thing in classrooms. as for many artforms, it’s necessary to separate the institutions propping it up from the art form itself. with graphic design, i think it’s especially difficult. it can be tough as an artist to remain unjaded
@wisehat
@wisehat 2 месяца назад
Andy Warhol is David Bowie if he was gayer
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
thank you wisdom 😭
@stolenchapstick
@stolenchapstick 2 месяца назад
i think this is why i struggle to like andy warhol, because it just seems so uhh. corporate? (for lack of better terms) i know he was doing a lot of cool stuff during his time, but you can recognize the difference between personal artistic style within graphic design, and just design. as an artist myself in the industry, it can be a sacrifice between doing what the industry wants vs trying to keep your own style.
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
Finding a balance is for sure neccesary, and to me Warhol's work being a commentary on that balance is what makes him so interesting! You're so right that there's a different vibe between the corporate stuff and the more artistic. Different *energy* if that makes sense.
@officiallyLAAV
@officiallyLAAV 2 месяца назад
not that you asked for my personal opinion, but when it comes to art i really believe anything can be art, anything. anything that has passion, time and even the slightest bit of dedication can be considered art. art should be about the passion of people leaving their fingerprint on what they enjoy, even if that is all it will mean. there shouldnt be a real definition of art, and trying to gate keep the term just discourages and invalids people's work. i hate the pretentious idea that only certain things can be art, because if we really just take everything out of the context of human soul and passion, then nothing is art. music? strums of strings or clicks of keys. traditional art? just a bunch of lines and squiggles. its not fair totally ignoring the human input of perhaps what would be considered more esoteric forms of art such as graphic design as just "pasting shit in photoshop" while praising the human input of others, its inherently snobbish and selective. So in short, graphic design cool, graphic design art.
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
You're completely right! I already said this in the video, but graphic design is totally art. It's merely small little things that make people think of it as less. As to your other point, anything can be art, yes, yes, totally! (forgive the shameless plugging I'm about to do) But I actually made a video on that exact point titled "How to cure your life with art." It's about exactly what you just said, why I think anything can be art. Thank you for commenting! My favorite part about these videos is always the conversation they start, I hope to see more of your input in the future!
@amazinggrapes3045
@amazinggrapes3045 2 месяца назад
Oh, they all say that until you mention AI
@michise9371
@michise9371 2 месяца назад
this is such a great video in every single aspect. im so glad i watched this, pleas make more, you are so good at it. you made my day better, thank you
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
Woah! Thank you so much for the kind words! This comment really made my night. I’ll continue making them for sure, stick around!
@narresnair1154
@narresnair1154 2 месяца назад
I'm new to this channel... Love the way you edited this video canq feel the essence of 90s ✨... In my opinion it can be both it's just what we view as a designer... But I truly believe that designing can be more artistic if we do it as hobby/passion or even for our own work because we have the freedom to explore and do what we really love if that make sense.
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
Thank you so much for the kind words! This was really the first video I went “all in” with the retro style and I think it paid off! I’ll be doing it again on the video dropping Sunday. As for what you said at the end, I completely agree! The degree of “freedom” with which you create is completely in influence of the end product. Freedom is everything! Thank you for comment! Hope to see you joining the conversation in the comments in the future!
@mjspinosflash
@mjspinosflash 2 месяца назад
i enjoyed watching this video so much it was really interesting, definitely deserves more recognition!
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
thank you so much for your kind words! this comment made my day! more to come like this very soon so stick around!
@mjspinosflash
@mjspinosflash 2 месяца назад
@Dice______ I will, just subscribed!
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
Thank you so much! You’ve made my day twice haha
@Kalitayy
@Kalitayy Месяц назад
Graphic design can still be art. Your personal design projects that you create on Photoshop and Illustrator are arts. What can’t be art though is UI/UX Design. Every color you choose in a UI has to be for a reason and that is to please your investor and manipulate users into using your app/website longer, more retention, more conversion rate, etc. It is much easier and pay better than being a graphic designer though, as there’s almost no human touch. But god, it’s exhausting. Nothing human about the process of creating a UI, even the illustrations are notorious for being corporate.
@Dice______
@Dice______ Месяц назад
i can relate to your last point on UI 😭 if you ever want to think art is dead just get into some UI design … insanity haha
@Kalitayy
@Kalitayy Месяц назад
@@Dice______The Failed Artist to NFT/AI Tech Bro Pipeline is real. If someone failed as an artist, they could become a graphic designer. Not creative enough? Try UI design because there are rules and stuff. Keep working until you become a Tech Lead and start supporting AI stuff.
@servidig483
@servidig483 2 месяца назад
Banger, you're gonna grow for sure
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
Thank you so much, man. That really means a lot!
@CrimesNewRoman
@CrimesNewRoman 2 месяца назад
this is a good video, i have a video on my channel on a goofy history of branding that covers some of this history stuff you talked about and more, but i have a few note as a graphic designer and artist myself. also, nice editing and use of type, i could immediately tell you were a designer from that haha. i think you could have benefited from a stronger definition of art. obviously art is hard to define, but defining art is key to defining the differnces between the two. is it the object? is it the interaction between art object and person? is it a feeling produced? these things also affect the medium of design, so how do they differ? personally i think there's a lot of overlap. subjectivity exists in both art and design, as does objectivity even though people treat it more on the design side. additionally, no matter the "art" there's always elements of it being "designed", calculated plans going into the execution that are determined by objectives the creator wants to achieve. a lot of designers, particularly in the awful tech space, are really snooty about this but i think anyone who understands both art and design history understand it's impossible to separate the two into a binary. i think the roll of advertising, marketing, and the rise of capital and the idea of a brand play a MASSIVE part in this mental distinction but that's a topic i might talk about another day. anyways, solid work here, subscribed.
@Dice______
@Dice______ Месяц назад
First off love your name, CrimesNewRoman is genius I get what you mean that I could've had a stronger definition, I really just view art as anything and everything so I didn't really think about that. I also empathize so much with your last point, as much as I still think the design in the tech space is art, it can be hard to admit that... Thank you for subscribing and commenting!
@piplupz1586
@piplupz1586 2 месяца назад
It is art with the goal to emotionally move and coerce people towards giving money, eyes, attention, taste, etc... But like, it's art. You can also use it to say other things, as stated with Warhol. Unfortunately, everything is art because we're human
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
You're the second person to comment this "everything is art" sentiment, and it's making me so happy that other people get it. That's not the most common take to hear, but it's so true! So glad to have people contributing to the conversation here in the comments! Hope to see you on future videos!
@piplupz1586
@piplupz1586 2 месяца назад
@Dice______ I took an upper level, history of animation class from my colleges art history professor in conjunction with a philosophy of existentialism course and it really set my brain on this path of seeing all technologies as art and all human systems and creations as technologies. So that's sort of the framing device for my view of things from language to economics as forms of art. The upper level history of animation class was so fun with some philosophy, some history of technological developments, and an overview of so many works of animation from the last century.
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
That is super cool; undoubtedly, almost all human invention is art. (I say almost because I'm sure someone can find an exception) A cool book to read on this is Rick Rubin's "The Creative Act: A Way of Being." Rubin's approach is far more spiritual than scholarly, but it's the type of book that changes your life. It inspired my "How to cure your life with art" Video. Another thing that interests me is consciousness. We don't know where it comes from, and we know it's not necessary for survival. Scientists can't even detect the part of the brain that activates when it's in use. (at least to my knowledge, I'm no psychologist) It makes art so magical knowing it comes from this unknown place. We don't need symphonies, paintings, and animation to survive, yet our consciousness brews it up anyways, and now most of us can't live without it. My apologies; I've been fairly winded here, but art is something that really interests me.
@ChildofYHWH777
@ChildofYHWH777 Месяц назад
Love your vid!!!❤
@Dice______
@Dice______ Месяц назад
thank u !!!
@ChildofYHWH777
@ChildofYHWH777 Месяц назад
@@Dice______ 👍😄
@NoOneElse
@NoOneElse 2 месяца назад
Taking the very historical root, graphic design can be seen as originating as the art of typography. In that case knowing that typography is one of if not the most important aspects of art movements (especially political ones) it is a very important art.
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
Graphic design is perhaps THE medium of political art movements. (speaking very anecdotally here) I really wanted to mention this point in the video, but I decided to only touch upon it briefly (and somewhat indirectly) with the poster. Propaganda and the like are some of the largest places we see graphic design. That's a can of worms for a different video, though. It's also beautiful. Politics aside, I think many of the CCP propaganda posters are visually stunning. Also, this is a long shot (and very embarrassing if I'm wrong), but is your username a Weezer reference?!
@NoOneElse
@NoOneElse 2 месяца назад
@@Dice______ definitely agree with the appreciation for the communist application of graphic designs and type faces:) The name unfortunately is not a reference however I am now familiar with the song ahahah. Keep up the good work:)
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
Thank you very much! I will!
@gyro_0142
@gyro_0142 Месяц назад
Awesome video!! Just curious, what's the name of the graphic design book you flipped through?
@Dice______
@Dice______ Месяц назад
Thank you! The book I’m flipping through is “the history of graphic design” you can just find them on Amazon or whatever ! They have two big giant volumes that I had in the video, but there’s also a smaller one that’s cheaper too!
@gyro_0142
@gyro_0142 Месяц назад
@@Dice______ Ok cool, thanks!
@willl9338
@willl9338 2 месяца назад
Amazing vid man 👏👏👏
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
Thank you so much man!
@mariamismail8506
@mariamismail8506 2 месяца назад
i like the editing if the video and content afc
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
Thank you so much!
@boat4l658
@boat4l658 Месяц назад
awesome video
@Dice______
@Dice______ Месяц назад
thank you so much man !
@KOKOS5021
@KOKOS5021 2 месяца назад
who is the guy in the pattern shirt with the backpack at 4:00 with Andy?
@Dice______
@Dice______ Месяц назад
As the guy who made this video I should really have a better response than this but I forgot his name... I wanna say it's chris something? He was one of Andy's close life long friends, he appears a bunch in the netflix doc too. Sorry! Wish I could help more!
@JesseNyberg
@JesseNyberg 2 месяца назад
great breakdown brotha
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
Woah crazy seeing you here I've seen a bunch of your stuff! Thanks for the kind words!
@shouygui4955
@shouygui4955 2 месяца назад
warhol wasn't a good artist, his "genius" is that he produced something that he could sell as a collectible to keep his speed parties funded, and not even have to make the works himself, setting up a sweatshop to do it for him instead. Warhol would not have been particularly relevant had his name not been shilled by the media, he probably had a blood relative in the media or something of that sort. The Art Nouveau revival in French comic books and American rock bank posters in the late 60s-70s was a lot more "artistic" and still commercial in a sort of way, but overall it feels more artistic and soulful.
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
Interesting, I do disagree though! I think warhol was a genius in multiple aspects, a lot of what he’s said has even gone on to foretell our modern day. You’re right about his assembly line methods though. I still don’t think that discredits him. Also I love that late 20th century French comic art! I’m a huge comic nerd if you didn’t gather that in the video!
@xezmakorewarriah
@xezmakorewarriah Месяц назад
personally i think art is any information conveyed in a way that is aesthetically pleasing and graphic design fits both of these criteria😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😮😮😮😮😮
@danielvaega
@danielvaega 2 месяца назад
Okay buddy
@graffitihandstyles
@graffitihandstyles 2 месяца назад
Those hieroglyphics were the first forms of graffiti art technically, not really design, but I get you. Great video tho, keep up the good work!
@Dice______
@Dice______ Месяц назад
Honestly, I would tend to agree with you. When I was doing research for this video I was thinking the same thing, but all the scholarly sources I was looking at said they were Graphic Design so I figured it was safer to go with what they said. Maybe they're both somehow? Maybe it's just a broad definition? I don't know! But I agree with you! Also thank you for the kind words! More to come!
@brainiac31K
@brainiac31K 2 месяца назад
I like this topic and your video. It’s easy to label graphic designers as hoes but after moving out of NYC to the boonies I can’t help noticing that retailers in these little strip malls have signs that are seemingly intent on being illegible, just like static noise as you’d drive by. I so want to help them with just a few design basics plus some flair to attract people.
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
So true! I live right outside the city and I completely relate, I've even seen sign companies with bad signs, it's comical sometimes!
@brainiac31K
@brainiac31K 2 месяца назад
@@Dice______ thanks for replying! I’ve toyed with the idea of making a coffee table book of all the bad design I’ve seen. I guess that would require getting releases from the winners, however.
@mberto370
@mberto370 2 месяца назад
graphic design is not art in the same way that drawing and painting are not art, they are practices that can be art depending the way they are made. but graphic design have something else that dont make it art: by definition, graphic design is visual comunication. Comunicantion can be art, but more than often isnt. When we see a logo for exemple, it is not a art piece, it is simply the visual comunication of a brand, a corporation. In that case, it is as much art as the photo in your ID is art. So just saying that graphic design is art is missleading, it in most times, isnt because have a clear function to comunicate something visually independing on the expression of its maker. An I say all of this being an actual graphic designer myself, I went throw college and worked with it, and I can say that most of the job is not about you expressing yourself (something that is imperative to art) is just making something someone wants the way they want it. Thats why I also hate working with graphic design, it is more thecnical than u may expect.
@Dice______
@Dice______ Месяц назад
Interesting! I do tend to disagree though, I think logos are art too! You said it yourself, "graphic design is not art in the same way that drawing and painting are not art, they are practices that can be art depending the way they are made." Similarly, movies are not art in the same way paintings are art, but both are still art. Logos are not art in the same way a poster is art, but both can still be art! No matter where, why, or how it's made. That's just what I think though! Thank you for joining the conversation in the comments!
@djsandy303
@djsandy303 2 месяца назад
i feel like everything is art
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
I completely agree! I made a video about exactly that before this one!
@vickyking3408
@vickyking3408 Месяц назад
I was stopped by my much older brother😢
@Dice______
@Dice______ Месяц назад
oh man
@dorskien
@dorskien 2 месяца назад
I agree it is art, but I'm not sure it's good art to me. Emphasis on "me". Great video, you've just gained a sub!
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
That's completely valid! Different things resonate with different people; that's the best part about art! Thank you so much for subscribing! I won't disappoint!
@raykampf4151
@raykampf4151 2 месяца назад
You may not be looking for notes but as a Visual Communication Design Professor, Graphic Design is a form of Art. It is a medium like painting or sculpture. The term Graphic Design is now antiquated like "Commercial Art" or "Graphic Art." The accepted term is now Visual Communication Design. And what separates VCD with ART is the context in which it is presented first. Secondly, Art invites the viewer into the Artist's world and the viewer must bring something to the work to get something from it; VCD is a visual way to present a message. Art is up for interpretation where as VCD has a specific message that the intended audience will understand. Also, I will commend you on using proper quotation marks and not tick marks (inches) however learn to hang them properly when staking the type. And the yellow type gets lost in Elvis Costellos poster. Thank you for doing this though.
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
First off, thank you for commenting! It's nice getting people from Academia in on the conversation! I'll agree with you that the term is antiquated, and I didn't know about that term change, however it has a bit of an inherent issue: You say that "Art is up for interpretation where as VCD has a specific message that the intended audience will understand." This is wrong. Many cases of art are not at all up for interpretation, art is too broad a term to grandstand like that. I think you're looking at this from a different, more academic perspective on what art is. To me, that's a conversation I'm not interested in. I'm here for a more "abstract" conversation. Thank you for the comments at the end too! I noticed that yellow as well, I need to find a solution too it. I also usually only properly hang my quotations when I'm doing work for clients, just like this look better. Thank you!
@gtanup8428
@gtanup8428 Месяц назад
design = functionality + aesthetics . bye
@Dice______
@Dice______ Месяц назад
not wrong ?
@shesh2265
@shesh2265 Месяц назад
Just watched a video on why andy warhol was the worst kind of artist lmao.
@Dice______
@Dice______ Месяц назад
Haha welp I for sure disagree with whatever video that was !
@reallyrealraven
@reallyrealraven Месяц назад
Uh. Andy warhol didnt design the dang soup can. He didnf even think of himself as an artist. Youre right, graphic design is art, but bringing Warhol into it isnt helpful
@Dice______
@Dice______ Месяц назад
listen of course you’re entitled to your opinion but culture as a whole has a LOT to consider if andy warhol isn’t an artist , despite what he might’ve said in his interviews (where he famously would lie) i also don’t think it matters whether or not he designed the soup cans ! da vinci didn’t design the mona lisa he just painted her in front of him- warhol merely turned the graphic design in front of him into art via presentation . it’s similar to the white room idea from virgil abloh !! pretty cool stuff either way !!
@catnium
@catnium 2 месяца назад
its a craft.. its not art
@Dice______
@Dice______ 2 месяца назад
Woah there, can’t say I agree, but, what’s your thinking behind this?
@noorlita
@noorlita 2 месяца назад
How would you define "art", and what makes graphic design not art?
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