Is Honda CB650F still competetive bike in 2018?

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This is an in-depth road test of Honda CB650F model 2017 which is the same for 2018. Despite the fact it was highly updated for 2017 (new design, EURO 4, more horsepower, new exhaust and sound) there is a question wether it has something to offer in comparison to dominant 2 and 3 cylinders in the category of middle-weight naked bikes.
The change we see on the market is very interesting. It is not that long ago when the market was full of Hornets, Bandits, GSR600, XJ6, GSX650. Nowadays it is very hard to find 4 cylinder bike in a mid-performance category of naked bikes. Actually Honda together with let’s say Suzuki GSX-S 750 and Benelli BN600 is one of the last survivors.
In this video I talk about characteristics of this bike and compare the pros and cones against all 2 cylinder alternatives which are mainly Yamaha MT-07 (XSR 700), Suzuki SV 650, Kawasaki Z650 and some others.
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@kevinthailand2567 6 лет назад

Having toured on both MT07 and recently the 650F I have sold my Yamaha for the Honda. More solid in corners, better on open highways in truck traffic, sweet exhaust, hauls ass without feeling twitchy like the MT07. Added a gear indicator and lots of inexpensive parts on order from Thailand... inline 4!!

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

Hi Kevin. Wow, this is an amazing approach, thank you for sharing this with me. I very often discuss with people what bike to choose and I will keep your scenario in mind. I absolutely understand it! Enjoy! :)

@drewtaylor6623 6 лет назад

Thanks for a positive comment for once instead of all the full on idiot's

@Englishbikerdan 6 лет назад

That's interesting. I currently own a Yamaha MT07 and am looking at another bike. I was looking at the CB500X as a sensible option but was worried about the lack of power but perhaps the CB650F is a good replacement. I've toured Europe on my MT with my girlfriend and found for the most part it was ok but the suspension was way too soft. Even with the rear on full preload. Years ago I had several Hornets and loved them, I just never thought this would be a good alternative as most say that Honda's are boring. Thanks for the comments, you've made me really think about it.

@riseagainstall142 6 лет назад

EnglishBikerDan I have a cb500f same engine and it’s a great bike can haul ass corners nice. The 500x is the adventure bike so it may ride slightly different compared to yours

@Fee.1 4 года назад

EnglishBikerDan did you get a new bike? I’ve seen some of your videos but I have a suggestion if you haven’t

@patriknilsson9224 Год назад

I saw this video this year 2023-01-28, i have a cb650F 2015, love it, a wonderful bike. Red white blue design. golden rims.

@kacknardoom4026 6 лет назад

I have owned twins from 3 different manufacturers and yeah there's a lot to like but bought my 2017 650f last year at a damn good price. While I sometimes miss something that has a little of extra character (I owed a aprillia before) I have always loved the middle capacity inline 4's. I don't have much self control so an engine you have to work to get the power works well for me. It's a shame.in Europe that we won't be seeing many if any mid sized inline 4 screamers soon and I don't regret buying one of the last ones. When you mentioned about it's reliability long term and being maybe less than a twin due to having more components I get what you are saying and you are right on some levels, but Honda make and always have made stonking inline 4's that live forever, that's one reason why I was so happy to buy into Honda. Anyway great review and glad someone understands why this bike was made rather than get hung up on mt07's and spec sheets.

@Monksthomas 6 лет назад

Nice review! I recently bought an MT-07, but it was a very very close decision between that and the CB650F. The Honda is a great bike. I didn't experience any of the reported engine buzziness on my test rides. But then my bike at the time was a 2000 Suzuki bandit - so possibly I just didn't notice! I chose the MT-07 because i.) I got very a good deal on the outgoing 2017 model, ii.) lighter weight iii.) better fuel consumption for commuting iv.) modern dash. For the record I do miss an inline four and regularly crave one (although less temptation to thrash my bike). Downside of the MT-07 is that the throttle can occationaly be twitchy at low revs. Apparently the suspension on the MT-07 is a weak point, but to be honest I haven't had any issues. The CB doesn't sell that well in the UK so there is a chance it will be discontinued. I think if they updated the dash and saved some weight it might help.

@bluedick321 5 лет назад

As a learner using both SV650 and CB650f the Honda steers better at lower speed surprisingly and feels lighter although I know it isn't. No gear indicator is pretty disconcerting though, especially as the engine is so smooth and revvy, the SV is much punchier low down and therefore more likeable somehow IMHO. I intend to try an MT before I buy.(all bikes are bloody great mind you;-)

@le_kakis 6 лет назад

love that you keep bringing new content!please make a review for the suzuki sv 650...thank you and keep it up!

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

I will have now a short brake as I have to fly to my home country for a while, but then I will continue :) Just today I was in Suzuki and I will have V-Strom 650 and Suzuki GSX-S 750. I will try also to get SV as soon as possible. Thanks for watching :)

@Liurika 6 лет назад

I was looking at the video, very interested on your opinions on the bike thinking... This road looks a lot like the one in Roque de los Muchachos (in the island I am from...) and then you said "riding in the Canary Islands" and it hit me! Goodness, I've ridden that road many times but I didn't expect to see it on this video! Such a great spin to do! I hope you enjoyed your stay! :)

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

Hi Laura, thanks for comment... Haha... That's funny. You are very lucky if you live in Gran Canaria. Awesome place.

@xXxTripleHxXx 6 лет назад

Imo 600cc 4cylinders are the way to go for starters if you want to start with more than 75hp. The super smooth and predictable powerdelivery makes it easier. I am currently starting on a CB600 Hornet and its a blast. I restricted myself to 5-6k rpms in corners. Then gradually removed this limit as i got more experienced and confident.

@frankstocker5475 6 лет назад

You are living in a nice place for biking, nice review, thanks.

@5vete 6 лет назад

had the 2014 cb650f and have recently bought the 2017,no regrets ..........dave

@Inquisitive37 6 лет назад

5vete is there anything you dislike about the 2017 model thanks

@Addy29plus5 6 лет назад

I use it for commuting and it’s been fantastic but it is a bit heavy. 30,000 miles and counting

@Skovsnegl 6 лет назад

Heavy... where.. it's so mobile.. was on a test ride yesterday, more manuvrebility than a Gsxs 1000F..

@Addy29plus5 6 лет назад

Skovsnegl it’s 208kg, that’s heavy. I own it. Nothing to do with maneuverability, it’s the weight of the bike.

@Addy29plus5 6 лет назад

AG Coarseman a CBR600RR among others. I ride multiple bikes actually I have 3 in my garage.

@Addy29plus5 6 лет назад

AG Coarseman 204kg is too heavy considering the MT07 is lighter street triple is lighter etc

@Addy29plus5 6 лет назад

AG Coarseman but each bike serves a different purpose, a gold wing is predominately a cruiser long distance bike. The CB650f is a middleweight commuting machine and in comparison to its competitors it is slightly too heavy for its class in my opinion. Remember I own this bike so I’m not hating on it. But I’m also talking about for its purpose it’s a bit porky. Lol

@beegtube26 6 лет назад

Very much everywhere in the net you can find reviews and owners showing off their MT07 on how good and versatile the bike is. Heard debates if its good for beginners, twitchy throttle cause of its tourquey engine, the word Hooligan for some and how really a blast and fun riding the MT07. The hype is true! But apart from being a very awesome bike, it misses one thing, its exhaust sound. The Kawasaki z650 is a good contender and cheaper for having a parallel twin engine, also fun and with the same sound. The Honda CB650f on the other hand makes itself apart from these bikes cause it runs with an inline four. Just cant ignore the mesmerizing sound it makes that I would choose this bike over even if to costs a bit more. For it is also practically the same bike with same fun, more power and beautiful sound... Nice review JF!

@exzylez 6 лет назад

RnBWorkz you’re totally right. I still go for the sweet exhaust sound! I chose cb650f any day

@Sporttourer 6 лет назад

The MT-07 and Z650 don’t have the same exhaust sound at all.

@MrKdr500 6 лет назад

MT 07 has a 290deg. crank, sounds like a ducati so i'm not sure you even know what your on about......

@duncandrummond726 6 лет назад

Is the 2018 still using the D222 tyre? Because that could be a contributing factor in your commentary on handling. A change of tyre for me gave a significant improvement in how the bike handles, particularly in corners. I went to Pilot Road 4. as to engine longevity, I have 132,000km on mine with oil and filter by the book. still feels good.

@ripmax333 6 лет назад

I got my full licence on the CB650F, once it's starts to move the weight it's not an issue unless you ride it in heavy traffic all the time and for short fellas they might struggle a bit if they don't be careful in slow heavy traffic, two things that really i dont like is the dash and the lack of upside forks. but for roads shown in this video is a blast to ride, i only that honda uses this same platform and engine a does a retro model to compete with the triumph street twin for example.

@Real_MisterSir 6 лет назад

I completely agree. They could even lift the upside down forsk from the old 600f hornet and put them straight on the 650f.. or maybe the forks from the discontinued 600rr perhaps - with a different rebound setup. I'm a taller rider so I really like the 650f size - however its weight is still too much, especially when you want to flick it around in city riding. I sure hope they address these issues for the next model, and they also add a retro inspired version of it. i would love such a 650f retro

@ripmax333 6 лет назад

Daniel Kemnitz knowing honda they wont make the 650f lighter unless they re-make it with a 2 cylinder engine. Honda its not known for making light motorcycles especially when they build them to a budget. Light, fast and cheap, you can only choose two between these 3 options.

@Real_MisterSir 6 лет назад

I don't know, the CB500F is also incredibly heavy for its engine size, and its even a 2 cyl. The engine has nothing to do with it, nor the price. It's just Honda being stubborn. They could engineer a simpler and smaller frame, and make the engine itself be more load bearing so they save material.. But they won't. It's the same issue with the last CBR600RR. Honda claimed that there was no market left for the 600cc class, but in reality they just didn't sell because it was godawfully ugly. No one liked its looks, so no one bought it. All previous 600RR owners sticked with the older model because it performed close to similar, and looked 100 times better - yet Honda was stubborn and blamed it on the lack of a 600cc market. Funny how Suzuki, Yamaha, and Kawasaki are still doing fine with their 600cc bikes.. Honda needs a wake up call. We know they have potential to do so much better.

@ripmax333 6 лет назад

Daniel Kemnitz i had a 2013 cb500f before i got my full license and the 500f feels definitely better, when i threw a leg of the 650f for the first time i felt immediately at home but i also immediately felt it heavier. I totally agree with you that honda is really stubborn, they focus too much to make real super friendly machines but nothing really exciting, buy exciting i don’t mean to do some crazy that might kill you as soon as you let the clutch out but there like nothing at least for me that really stir the soul from the honda brand. And they are all damn heavy compared to the competition, OR weighing just enough but then there underpowered, a perfect example is my CRF250L, screams for a 400cc motor!!

@michelemicoli 6 лет назад

Another great bike review. Very honest, Keep them coming!

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

Thanks! Beeing honest and in-depth are my highest priorities. Unfornutely I will have a break now about 10 days as I am flying home to the Czech republic to do some meetings. After the pause, I've already scheduled some new reviews of for example Honda CB500X, Suzuki V-Strom 650, Suzuki GSX-S 750 or hopefully Triumph Tiger 1200. Thanks again!

@michelemicoli 6 лет назад

Looking forward to that! Can you do a review on a Kawasaki Versys 650? I have a 2017 model, and would be nice to see you do a review on it. Cheers and enjoy your break!

@knu8527 6 лет назад

been waiting for cb650f review. thanks man

@Fertep 5 лет назад

4 cilinder moto sound wins everything.

@prof.2248 6 лет назад

in 2018 weight above 200 kg for naked 600-700cc is ridiculous , definitely MT07 model 2018 (new suspension ) Pure driving pleasure !

@Surpriseify 6 лет назад

I think this will be me first "big bike", excellent review sir. I cant wait to hear that engine scream!

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

Oh you are welcome! I think it is a good choice. My first proper bike was Honda CBF600S which was a similar category. I always remember this great bike :)

@bwxmoto 6 лет назад

I like these reviews but why is the audio level at -14bd? On a phone or laptop I guess you can just crank the sound but on a home theater that mean any loud sounds are going to shatter your speakers.

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

Thanks. I am not sure wether I understand the question. Do you want me to make the default level of video sound higher? I have to manage and split two different audio sources (one when riding and then everything else) and that's a tough. When I would try to do riding video loader, probably the quality would go down. Sorry if i did not get the question right

@ario-5925 5 лет назад

Not sure which one to get as my first bike, CB650F or MT-07. My classes where on the CB650F

@Apollo949 9 месяцев назад

The dash is absolutely fine and easy to see, unlike the bike's replacement, the CB650R that has a characterless mobile phone-like box punched on the handlebars .

@erodphotos 6 лет назад

Great video, thank you for the very informative review.

@painsrides3616 6 лет назад

I really do like your reviews JF, especially those done on this route :) and what a great bike to delve into, thanks much.

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

Thank you very much for such kind words.

@VJohnason 5 лет назад

Thank you Sir! I really enjoyed this video, the acoustic's of the inline 4 hearkens back to the true motorbike sound :-D

@jamesipock3669 2 года назад

Coming off a Superhawk V Twin.....I love the dash.

@davehudson3439 6 лет назад

Peter D....your comments are subjective. I've only pointed out the significance of an awesome inline 4 in this category, whereby other manufacturers choose a 2 or 3 cyl. Btw...20lbs more weight than others in this category, is hardly a concern, given the huge advantage of a 4 cyl

@Addy29plus5 6 лет назад

Peter D I have to disagree on some points, I think it operates good in low revs. The wind noise is horrendous on the highway but through town it’s fine. Thanks for sharing a tour opinion good to read another owners opinion. 👍also I agree it needs to be under 200kg

@Addy29plus5 6 лет назад

Peter D good comment, I think they need to try and make it lighter if a CBR600RR with all the fairings can weigh under 200kg they no reason a unfaired bike shouldn’t

@Addy29plus5 6 лет назад

Peter D agree, my bike has corrosion the exhaust as well. Also allow for a slip on to be installed because a full system is excessive

@Addy29plus5 6 лет назад

Peter D the Suzuki GSXR 2017 doesn’t and the emissions crap is in the massive exhaust.

@Real_MisterSir 6 лет назад

I don't own this bike, but all these points are exactly why I have not got one yet. A fully fueled 600rr weighs 25kg less than a fueled 650f, if not more - and that is simply not good enough. It's a weight difference you feel, especially in the ability to change direction, and the responsiveness to immediate acceleration. I would so much like to love this bike, but the weight really keeps me away from it. I don't mind that it doesn't have 100+hp, I think around 90 is fine. It's a good deal more than its 650cc competition. A weight loss program would do wonders for this bike. -oh and also, a new dash!

@Real_MisterSir 6 лет назад

I am considering this, have had it in my mind for a long time. I dislike the weight, but the size seems to be good (I'm 190cm). I have stayed clear of the MT07 mainly because it is too small. Not overall size or power, but I just feel cramped on it. Same thing with the XSR700 which I really like, I sat on one and the position of the seat and the rear set just makes me feel like I am completely locked up in my legs and not able to rest comfortably. Idk.. If I can find a good deal on a used cb650f I might go for it.

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

I think that for 190 cm it will be still small. I mean, it could work but I would prefer higher/biger bike. My XSR 900 for example is for our height allright.

@Real_MisterSir 6 лет назад

That's true.. Though the XSR900 is out of my budget - especially because I can't seem to find any used ones where I live. The 650F is at least a lot better than most of the other 650 class bikes.

@jobdone1219 4 года назад

Dont know what is the probleme with dashboard. Really good visiblilty. Only thing is dont see what gear are you. But after few weeks you can feel and see. Gear 6 90km/h 4000rpm. Other thing need a tracktion control. If its wet neeed to be watch. Even when the ashpalt change. I just love it!!!!

@Daniel-dj7fh 6 лет назад

i think its a dope looking bike. realy nice swingarm, headers, general build. i too dont like the dash tho

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

I always respect other opinions. And I also do not like the dash personally :)

@patrickchrist4770 5 лет назад

Very comfortable , cause of the 4 cylinders. Very smooth driving

@jonass9933 6 лет назад

Nice review, my motorcycle lessons were on an cb650f. Where is this you're driving? Those mountain roads look awesome.

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

Hi Jonas. Thank you! This was whole captured in Gran Canaria, Spain. Awesome place where you can ride almost all year long.

@LarryRickenbacker 6 лет назад

I'm a cruiser owner. I had a recent test-ride on this bike and it's design placed too much of my weight on my wrists. It's engine was awfully "buzzy" or high-revving. Great handling, though.

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

Hi Larry... Yes very difficult to compare it with the cruiser riding experience. Btw. which cruiser do you own?

@LarryRickenbacker 6 лет назад

An '07 Honda Shadow Sabre 1100. It's a fantastic, reliable bike. I wanted a Kawasaki ER-6n, but the wife nixed the idea, as the Honda already had a nicely upgraded passenger seat, backrest and expensive leather saddlebags for our short-range touring. The ER-6n really put a big grin on my face, hence the test drive of the new Honda CB650f, which proved disappointing in terms of ergonomics.

@sganfus 6 лет назад

Would you reccommend it for a beginner with no suicidal intentions?

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

Yes, absolutely :)

@Evoandrs 6 лет назад

Definatetly. Its my first bike. Even experienced rider said its realy realy good

@davehudson3439 6 лет назад

Gear indicator $50 on EBay...very simple to install, just plug in. The CB650F blows away the competition with that amazing inline 4...so spare me the knit picking and admit it...this is the greatest 650 ever conceived!

@skiddmurks 6 лет назад

The mt07 was £150 more for me to insure than a cb650f. The cb650 cost me £220 fully comp.

@povilaslondon 6 лет назад

better mpg my ass. Never seen mt07 with better mpg than 650f

@HeyAddieImTojo 6 лет назад

Lots of subjective stuff u bring to the table as well Peter D.

@xXxTripleHxXx 6 лет назад

Not to burst your bubble but even the cb600 Hornet meets the 75hp of the MT07 between 7 and 8k rpms. Just compare power diagrams and youll see the actual power output isnt really that different (besides the obvious higher top hp for the 650f.) The acceleration at slower speeds can be massively improved by changing the rear sprocket. Both the CB600 and CB650 are more stable bikes than the MT07 make you feel more condident at high speed cornering (150+kph // 90+mph). But the shorter wheelbase and higher seating position of the MT07 make it easier to attack small corners or whip around city traffic. A higher and broader bar for the CB650 can sort of compensate for that

@HeyAddieImTojo 6 лет назад

I agree, i know you speak the truth because my Bandit 600 from /00 makes 72,4 hp at the wheel. I also changed the rear sprocket so acceleraton is better. I don\t want to go 200km/h on it anyway, but going to 150 much faster is more fun.

@maxwell7847 6 лет назад

For a first time motorcycle rider, which one is the best MT-07, Z650, SV650 or the CB650F?

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

Very tough question to be honest. You can start on any of them and you will probably not make a mistake. It then would be about the style you like, also which dealer is closest, maybe about costs of having each of those motorcycles. I personally would probably take one of the two cylinder bikes. SV650 have even some assistants which can helps beginners (assistant which help to start the engine, the other one to work with clutch)... but maybe it is better to start without assistants and create a solid habits. MT-07 is an amazing motorcycle and nicely improved for 2018. Probably is the best of all of these.

@SpeedDragon 6 лет назад

I got my license less than 2 weeks ago (although I'm almost 30 yo), and already tried the '18 MT-07 and I liked everything except the sound. I know that I can't compare the two bikes, but I've tried a '98 Hornet with Carbs, and it felt amazing. Unfortunately I can't find a CB650F to test drive, but I'm with a dilema, MT-07 vs CB650F. It will be used for daily drive to work.

@DiHalamanRindu 6 лет назад

i'll take CB650f just because its 4 inline. people complain its slow compare to other 4inline 600cc category. yes, because its not a super sport bike like r6 or zx-6r. its a sport touring. design for daily use without burning your money. very good MPG for 4 inline. same MPG as mt07 which is only 2 cylinder. faster than mt-09. just a little slower than mt-10(a 1000cc 4 inline). imagine that. so if you looking for daily use or commuting to work with awesome 4 inline sound. cb650 is perfect. But! if you are a speed freak. don't buy any honda bike. honda nowdays only focusing more on commuting.

@KrestenGiese 6 лет назад

The dash is atrocious, sub-par when compared to other bikes in the same class. Like the FZ-07...

@MrAndrew1953 5 лет назад

Good bike for someone with full licence who hasn't ridden for a while and wants to get back into riding again?

@eidrag 6 лет назад

Hi, can you make speech/dialogue sounds louder? At least same volume as intro music

@iodineclip 6 лет назад

the only few things i dont like about it, is that it still doesnt come stock with gear indicator and upside down forks

@Daniel-dj7fh 6 лет назад

upside down forks are not a necessity tho

@iodineclip 6 лет назад

true, but its cool, and works better for handling anyways.

@Daniel-dj7fh 6 лет назад

only if you're on a track would it do better than normal forks

@iodineclip 6 лет назад

not necessarily true my friend, some dirt bikes use them, as well as some adventure bikes, and those bikes were not meant to be on a race track, and they still uses upside down forks. I believe that they are better than traditional forks, but more expensive to produce. Cheers !

@Daniel-dj7fh 6 лет назад

since you mention it.. some enduros do have upsidedown forks.. aybe because they need a preciser rebound and that stuff

@roundingcorners 6 лет назад

If you need a gear indicator, you don't know how to ride. You just need to look at the RPMs and your speed. Call me old school but needing a gear indicator is like saying you need ABS to brake well.

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

Yes but I do reviews for many different groups of people and generally it is an important aspect of the motorcycle. But I got your point :)

@Fertep 5 лет назад

Its true but not the same to compare ABS to gear shift indicator. ABS is a must for your safety

@normanhughedicko4076 6 лет назад

Only thing is the weight,As heavy as a 1000cc ones

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

True! :)

@ewganhoff 6 лет назад

Yes, but the crank crank has much less mass, so it will turn quicker. I saw a comparison between the gsxs1000 and 750. The 750 actually weighs more than the 1000 but was much faster to turn because there is less gyroscopic effect from the crank and other engine internals.

@identiticrisis 6 лет назад

The thing to remember about official weight figures is that they're often misleading and inaccurate, for one reason or another. Unlike many manufacturers, Honda's curb weights are usually pretty close to what you will be riding. So it might look a little more portly than other bikes, but it's really not that bad. Plus it's still a four cylinder at the end of the day, and there is no budget at this price point for fancy manufacturing and materials to save weight, either. Swing a leg over one and Honda's "mass centralisation" is really noticeable, in that it feels lighter than it is.

@michals1108 5 лет назад

Buy a twin then

@mr1bienvenu1 6 лет назад

Need more back seat but for the most part it looks good.

@jeffreyincircuittv4452 4 года назад

JF have a nice day and impressive rev. I just ask you for the fuel consumption could you tell me how many kilometers per liter for this honda cb650f? And can i use this for long ride aswell...? Thank you... Jeff from phillippones

@themarvelousvintage76 4 года назад

Yes maybe it miss gear indicator but the honda engine its bullets proof......i have same model and doesn't feel weight 208kg better position than my old sv,the only negative I have to say the handlebar vibrate a little bit beside that its fantastic bike

@CanaryRide 6 лет назад

Great video mate!

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

Thanks for support!

@ondrejc55 6 лет назад

Those are some amazing roads you riding :-)

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

Welcome to Gran Canaria. I can't wait to get back there.

@adamtreeworks5724 6 лет назад

Get some Roadtec 01's and a Mivv Double Gun exhaust!

@kostasfykouras2244 6 лет назад

Αmazing video !! Do you think this bike is more powerful than the hornet ? How do they compare? Thanks in advance!

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

It is not unfortunately. From my memory if I am saying right Hornet 600 had about 10-12 HP more and Honret 900 in some versions even 20 ... Hornets was significantly faster.

@lillaprince2219 6 лет назад

Nope. Definitely not significantly faster. Over 160kmh the Hornet pulls ever so slightly stock for stock. I have a larger sprocket on my CB650F. My buddy on a stock Hornet. I leave him a couple bike lengths behind to 160, by 190 he'll catch me. After that both bikes aren't pulling like freight trains anyway. CB650F stock pulls on the MT07 from the take off.

@DJMD32 6 лет назад

"Ahhhhhhh" clicks teeth with tongue. "AHHHHH. AHHHHHHH." click.

@mcnutrider7287 6 лет назад

Looks like you already drop it i see a scratch

@banzaicharge3088 5 лет назад

I really like this bike but the gauge make me so disappointed!

@karmasoldier9841 5 лет назад

What a beautiful place to live. So jealous.

@florin-vasilemitria6444 4 года назад

In 2020 still competitive

@elliotwoodhouse2459 6 лет назад

Wish they brought back the Hornet

@kennguyen3789 5 лет назад

what a shame! The speedometer make this one looks cheap!

@xXxTripleHxXx 6 лет назад

If you are considering a 600cc 4cylinder bike i would get the original honda cb600 Hornet. It has a bit more power (100hp). Also how is the engine weaker "down low"? it matches the 75hp of the MT 07 between 7 and 8k rpm but other than the 650 2cylinder bikes it still has 4k rpms to play with. Its not really slower or weaker and keeping up with those other bikes wont be a problem exept maybe if you accellerate in the wrong gear.

@george8966 6 лет назад

The FZ07 has more torque down low making it feel more urgent for low end. The fzo7 is designed to be punchy low-mid, and this bike is designed for the bulk of the power to be in the mid - top hence his comment.

@elvy3236 4 года назад

Is cool the sound of the 4 cylinder for a 650 only bike that have it but the my-07 look better to bad is only 2 cylinder

@cuongtruongvan7783 6 лет назад

Hi JF The Honda CB650F suitable for using long road ? and could you compare how comfortable between CB650f vs CB500X?

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

Hi there. What sort of long distance you mean? I could certainly imagine to ride it for some holidays let's say 2000 - 3000 km in a few days if the road is nice. There are better bikes to do it and Honda CB500X is definitely more comfortable. However CB500X is honestly boring in comparison to CB650 :) Some people tough likes it still and still would choose the CB500X so in the end of the day you have to try it for yourself to see.

@cuongtruongvan7783 6 лет назад

Thank for your answer, i mean which one suitable for go to work and go some where with distance 500-1000km.

@kawasjt 6 лет назад

only 90bhp??? My cb599 from 2004 makes 96bhp and it has carbs. 50cc difference too. Honda is too conservative in the power department

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

That's right. But in some cases it really make sense to me. Like Honda Africa Twin with 95 horsepower is really an ideal machine. Why to have in Enduro 160 HP? :)

@duncandrummond726 6 лет назад

It is not apt to compare this bike to the 600RR. the 650 has lower compression, different bore to stroke ratio which leads to lower redline. a combination that produces less power even with more cc.

@StumpyVandal 6 лет назад

It’s to get the bike below the A2 licence requirements in the EU. There’s a 45 hp limit if you’re on an A2 licence and any bike can only be restricted by up to half it’s hp. Hence the 650 is only 90 when the 1998 Hornet 600 was 102 hp and lighter.

@a.k.9660 6 лет назад

The 650 reaches the highest torque much earlier than the 600 hornet. High torque at lower reps is often borne by less hp.

@drewtaylor6623 6 лет назад

Also the 650 engine is full of emssions the carb hornet didn't have any .

@stablestoic1491 4 года назад

Great Review. 👍🇺🇲✌

@jackashe3032 5 лет назад

I'm just 5 foot 9 guy do you think I can handle it

@Aliff_Klg 6 лет назад

The bike is fast like a z800. I dont think any 600cc naked bike can compete with it yet. I was shock when my buddy can keep up with me although lagging behind a little bit. He use a cb650f.

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

Haha, exactly. Thanks for comment. It is really good bike.

@A-FrameWedge 6 лет назад

Z800 is much quicker

@Aliff_Klg 6 лет назад

SPUDS CARY yeah, i can outrun him by a mile if i want too. I meant that he can keep up with me. Also, its not wise for me to always go on top speed when my chest hurts due to the wind my friend. Im planning to sell my z800 for the cbr650f version. Yeah why not upgrade? Im not rich and i heard the maintanance on the cbr650f are very low which is ideal for me. Love how the bike looks

@krzysztofb2562 6 лет назад

cb650f 2018 have gear indicator ?

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

I am not sure but I don't think so :)

@mihaelmihajlovic4487 6 лет назад

CB650FA 2018 dont have gear indicator

@wilsonsantos9767 Год назад

Top demais essa moto

@beegtube26 6 лет назад

or should have said similar sounding 2 cylinder machines.. z650 stock exhaust sounds porkier than the mt and cb just nailed it with beefier stock sound. 😄

@Fee.1 4 года назад

@0:50 it’s not the what anymore ?

@magales8 3 года назад

Nice Island 😍

@xXxTripleHxXx 6 лет назад

how on earth is the weight on this bike such a hotly debated issue? My old CB600 weights ~200kg completly full and i have no problem attacking left right combinations at high speeds. Cant imagine a 185kg bike to be so much better. Even cornering at 170kph with strong breaking before feels pretty good. I think the point of balance is much more important than the actual weight... up to a certain point. A 250kg bike will be more sluggish than a 200kg bike but a 185 can feel pretty much the same as the 200kg bike because of its ergonomics and the different points of balance

@smugslug995 5 лет назад

You have a point. Most problems when riding are not the bikes fault. They come up because of the riders inability to handle the bike.

@ninhxuanluu 6 лет назад

music loud but voices low

@Frillar 6 лет назад

Very odd review. It is only a 2 year old model and it has more modern hardware than any other middle weight naked (engine, breaks, suspension, frame, swing-arm), yet you talk about it like it is some ancient artifact. Bizarre. And why? Because it is 4 cylinder? Bro, open your eye, a lot of bikes have 4 cylinder...

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

Actually the engine is way way more old school ten on let's say Yamaha MT-07, MT-09. I am not saying it has an old-school brakes but yet many modern motorcycles has better, radially mounted ones. Suspension is fairly basic, again it is better when you look at competition. In the category of the middle-weight naked bikes there are actually not many 4 cylinders as you say but just a few of them: Concretely Honda CB600F and Suzuki GSX-S 750. That's it. And Benelli BN 602 if you want :)

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

Oh and it is not 2 year old model. It came on the market in 2013 with some updates for 2017.

@brothermeh840 6 лет назад

You are still young (minute 3.07). haha.

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

You made my day. Thanks :)) Like I am 30, I wish I am 16 again haha.

@brussell639 6 лет назад

It's funny how spoiled people get over things like a gear indicator. You used to just have to ride the damn thing and know.

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

I don't know. I like it really on some bikes... It does a great job on the Yamaha XSR 900...

@steviedee71 6 лет назад

MT-07 kicks it’s ass!

@dry509 6 лет назад

How do you like the mt-09? How about the throttle on the mt-09?

@JFMotorcycles 6 лет назад

You can check my video about Yamaha XSR 900, which is basically the same: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1SA-qQT04C0.html I don't think the throttle reaction is too problematic, too nervous at least on the model 2017 and newer. Truth is you need to focus really on riding and on the moves of right hand. It seems that Hondas or 4cylinders in general are easier to operate.

@NOVA__tire_man69 5 лет назад

If you need the gear indicator you should not be riding whimp

@BA-yl8sv 6 лет назад

Good Bike i shell soon

@rockafella1690 6 лет назад

For a bike that only came on the scene a few years ago, that dash is awful. Weird and dated.

@xXxTripleHxXx 6 лет назад

agreed. The liked the dash of the old CB600 more. This looks more like something pre 2008

@grayman618 6 лет назад

Seriously if you need a gear indicator to ride the bike you probably shouldn't be riding a motorcycle.

@eastsidedirtykid 5 лет назад

james evenson I agree

@robincarlson9921 5 лет назад

If you need a gear indicator you need to retake your beginner rider class

@JFMotorcycles 5 лет назад

I will retake it with all the thousands and hunders of thousands customers of Gipro Gear Indicators. Man, the company would not exists if this is true. And Honda would not get back the gear indicator in the new version of this bike for 2019 if this is true.

@davehudson3439 6 лет назад

"Good for beginners", seriously?? Maybe if you got it up in the power band, like 8000, you'd feel the awesome power the CB650F has to offer. Riding at 2-3000 rpm is just lame