Is Hydroponics, Really... Dirt Cheap!?

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Hoocho asks the Question: Is Hydroponics, Really... Dirt Cheap!?
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00:00 - Intro
00:49 - Systems Discussion
03:27 - SkillShare
04:20 - Dutch Buckets
06:13 - Nutrient Film Technique
06:19 - Upfront Cost
08:28 - Propagation Cost
10:30 - Nutrient Cost
11:28 - Per Lettuce Cost Example
15:35 - Water Consumption Misinformation
18:30 - Other Factors
19:39 - Outro
20:08 - System Updates and Extras
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@katiefair3404 2 года назад

Dude! So glad I came across your channel. Been researching hydroponics & it’s so nice to have a fellow Aussie explaining it all. Yay for the metric system & bunnings!

@teknophyle1 2 года назад

15:35 props for checking sources. a good practice everyone should follow on all info.

@RobsAquaponics 2 года назад

😀 If only you had fish to feed the caterpillar too. Full props for looking into the figures. I know the nightmare it is trying to find numbers for aquaponics VS soil. Puntastic Video Hoocho. 😆 Cheers. 🍻🍻

@downunderfulla6001 2 года назад

With all the videos of systems you’ve made, this video ties them all together. Thanks Hoocho it’s the video I’ve needed🍺🍺

@Holodomor4.0 2 года назад

Took the words right out of my mouth!

@willulearn 2 года назад

The reason it is difficult to give an estimate of how much more efficient hydroponics vs soil is because weather elements and many different types of soil hold/evaporate water in different ways. Clay vs Sand, etc. Great video on the start up costs!

@philj1975 2 года назад

I live in the Canary Islands 🏝 so no "soil" in the traditional fashion 🚢🚚, made my first 4 pot dutch bucket last year 2021🎆 for €5 Euros and scrap. 💰♻️ 🌱 🍈🥒🍅🥑 👍🏻👍🏻 What a difference to my grows. Never going back to bad soil bags anymore 😁🚫💪🏼 Thanks @Hoocho and all the community for the help you give out. 👏👏👏👏

@DVSMedic 2 года назад

I stumbled onto your channel recently and I am so grateful for the research you do for your videos. Keep up the great work!

@bradbennick Год назад

Great episode. I especially liked the walkthrough of your validation of sources process.

@rimmerableful 2 года назад

Hoocho, thank you for doing what you do and sharing your skills, cost and experience or outcomes, the content is helpful and your delivery is enjoyable.

@ashleyerriah167 Год назад

Showing invoices 👍🏻 gotta like every video on your channel now

@clinical_calculus7675 2 года назад

I'm a simple man, when I see daddy Hoocho post a new video I like it immediately.

@grahambate3384 2 года назад

Sorry man, I read it wrong the first time I read it. I though U wrote I'm a single man 😂

@bluedog101c 2 года назад

@@grahambate3384 his annoying.

@zaincole1232 2 года назад

Haha I know what you mean

@arrow1island 2 года назад

Well done Hoocho, another great video, cant wait for the next update. How are you going with all the rain up your way..

@mickhvac3908 2 года назад

So glad I found this channel. Shoutout from Florida.

@John-lc1uq 2 года назад

Gardeners and farmers are frugal by nature. They have to be. At 66 and a lifetime of backbreaking work (not a complaint) I have switched completely to hydroponics. Since it is my hobby I don't worry about cost. I am happy to eat listeria free lettuce at any price. Not picking on big farms-they do an amazing job feeding the world. I just like control over my food source. I don't mind spending more for rockwool as the cleanliness and ease of use makes the cost worthwhile!

@dimitristripakis7364 2 года назад

Rockwool is not the healthiest thing to handle, though...

@thewarytraveler6375 2 года назад

Watering & feeding a field taking more resources makes absolute sense to me. For starters its land connected to other land, which means water and nutrients will wick off elsewhere, as well as land being effected by rain water dilluting the nutrients in the soil, etc. Meanwhile in a bucket there's nowhere for the water to travel other than passive evaporation in a mostly enclosed container.

@andreamorse6064 Год назад

Your videos always bring my new information. Just as important, I thoroughly enjoy your style, your personality shines through. Been growing NFT and Bato as well as soil in doors for a year or more. Planning on a 400 sq ft greenhouse this spring and I'm so excited. Thank you for endless enjoyment and education.

@aadsideas 2 года назад

Hi! Thank you for your very informative videos and innovations in hydroponics. Here in the Philippines, there is a surplus of coco peat among farmers. Too much that they were sourcing for market. 😀 Your idea of just using coco peat and perlite combo is brilliant. But perlite is one that's expensive here. God bless you

@goto8438 2 года назад

Great stuff Hoocho! Hydro is the way to go for a lot of crops. I am kind of sick of soil as i mostly use lots of pots. Those rock wool slabs from ee. Muir are well worth it, even with courier costs if you dont live nearby. You just have to go to a comparison website for a good deal. I thought campbells diamond t was only for fruiting. I thought for greens you needed some different, more optimised fertilizer? Thanks for the videos.

@Hoocho 2 года назад

I just half the amount for the diamond t and it works a treat. I’ve spoken to the agronomist and this was his advice, rather than having to complicate things with multiple ferts

@KeanuV111 Год назад

Amazing work as always hoochos. I would love to see you do a full experiment where you take maybe tomatoes and lettuce and compare all of the costs, the growing time and maintenance for Soil outside, soil in greenhouse, hydroponic (NFT, Dutch buckets, wicking and Kratky).

@jaysilence3314 2 года назад

In depth comparative water consumption would be awesome!

@markcomiskey3449 10 месяцев назад

Hoocho your videos are fantastic keep up the great work have liked and subscribed ... U R AWESOME

@vhnguyen9447 2 года назад

Wow those are some numbers!!! Another great video of Hoocho.

@stevieraybellamy 2 года назад

Hell yeah, give us more analysis and all that nerdy hydro stuff! There's a lot of stuff that *everybody says*, that is just meaningless. I love that you do what you can to reference scientific papers, it really lends credibility to your obvious and infectious passion for hydro growing. Can't get enough of your stuff mate, keep it all up. :)

@SteveEh 2 года назад

Beauty of a video! I appreciate you leaving in the bits with your neglected section, We've all done it. Was a really nice breakdown of costs, space, and labor involved. Thanks

@braveladder1682 2 года назад

Another great video, thanks for your hard work!

@Hoocho 2 года назад

Cheers mate!

@MichaelSmithAU 2 года назад

Another great video! Happy new year - looking forward to what you have coming up in 2022 😀😀😀

@keithhilton8869 2 года назад

Thanks Hoocho, a lot of valuable information as usual. Cheers

@goutam077 2 года назад

Excellent video Hoocho. The cost breakdown and the approach used were very practical. I was looking at calculating the costs and the approach used gave some great insights to start with. Thanks for such content!

@garrettmineo 2 года назад

Great video, great detail. Your hard work is evident.

@Sssanbo Год назад

Yes, discussing with my local hydro store, he downplays the amount water saved . It also varies in soil. Do you use overhead? Are you using drip? Growing in sand , clay? whats your weather ? are you using mulch? its pretty variable.

@SpartaBobsky 2 года назад

Love your channel! I just started growing strawberries in an nft system!

@alexlavertyau 2 года назад

Another fantastic video, thanks for all the good info you put out

@SJR275 Год назад

I know the video is over a year old but I really comendere the amount of effort you went to in order to check the credibility of the sources

@kareneverling5860 2 года назад

Digging deep as always. Thanks for the insights!

@barbarastefani254 Год назад

Definitely like the lettuce system gonna try to do this in the spring that’ll be this year’s addition to the garden

@SnakeAndTurtleQigong Год назад

Thanks so much

@alzeal Год назад

After many failed attempts to grow my own crops, mostly due to insects, squirrels, birds etc, I finally tried hydroponics and I was soo surprised on how relatively easy it was. My system is almost all automatic. I have an NFT system with a large resevoir with a float valve. I only have to check the ph and nutrients once a week. I also have kratky containers for the climbing veggies, fed by a pump that comes on once a week to top them off. The water savings is also phenominal. Will never go to dirt farming for veggies again.

@pelicanformation3802 2 года назад

I have a kranske capsicum using aquarium gravel and a milk bottle I haven't had any fruit yet. I lacked polinators as I had the plant inside. but it is outside now so I have hope. It grew rapidly when I put it in the "system".

@01p45 2 года назад

absolute legend! thank you for this! hopefully we can work together one day, best wishes for the new year mate.

@yeoldegunporn Год назад

Having started in soil and moved to hydro I found it costs basically as much as in nutrients to run soil anyway. Hydro also is generally less everyday maintenance. So that’s why I changed.

@prescriptionpete866 2 года назад

Thanks man. You’re a legend for this!

@Zappyguy111 2 года назад

I like the mini updates.

@Jacob_graber 2 года назад

Here’s what I’m thinking Hoocho - that professor who said a kilo of tomatoes could in theory be made with one liter of water was considering a system where 100% of all waste water is captured and recycled. In principle, the only water you really “need” to remove from the system is the water within the tomatoes themselves, and the water consumed during photosynthesis/plant metabolism. All the evaporates water, waste water, etc can be captured and recycled. Even the water left in the stems could theoretically be recycled.

@DM-sc4zy 2 года назад

The pvc gutters used may not be food grade or suitable for potable water, cheap but may not be ideal for growing food.

@atomizer2665 Год назад

They are UPVC, no BPA.

@barbarastefani254 Год назад

Wow totally love what you did in there nice

@jayk7422 2 года назад

Thanks for sharing your information.... very helpful 👍

@tonyphotiou1742 2 года назад

Great video. Another comparison is comparing hydroponics Vs dirt, Vs production differences between the two

@keithlucas6260 2 года назад

We bought a 210 watt solar panel for $220 USD and a 100ah battery. The MPPT battery monitor will handle 12, 24, 36, 48 volt batteries and solar panels in either series or parallel and was only $100 USD. Warranty is 25 years for the panels and purchasing a RV 12 volt water pump from the hardware store will run everything. In this area the electricity is not guaranteed and with the price of fuel going thru the roof, solar becomes an alternative option. Last blackout we didn't even have to fire up the generator and listen to it all night. My goal is a 15kw split phase and 12kw of LiFePo4 batteries to run off grid.

@isoiso1371 2 года назад

Hoocho can you explain if it is viable to grow your own lettuce,spinach,tomatoes or cucumbers indoors with growlights as compared to buying from the store that would be my main concerne

@adammcgeorge3538 2 года назад

Hey Hoocho, I’ve heard that tipping your dragons when the breach the top of you structure is the way to go, or growing in a pot 4-6ft off the ground is good too :)

@Hoocho 2 года назад

Thankyou for this, Had a google and I'm definitely going to be doing that!

@adammcgeorge3538 2 года назад

@@Hoocho Glad to help Hoocho, I always enjoy learning from your vids and your wry humor is always appreciated! Happy Hyrdoponicing in 2022!

@ivareskesner2019 2 года назад

Proper recirculating hydroponics is certainly not dirt cheap if you're growing in a small space. So I suppose you best pick your crop carefully and make it worthwhile. Apart from what most people would think of right now (cannabis) - may I recommend turning your limited space into a micro-green growing area. Perhaps Kratky or NFT? I'm not that well versed. Spirulina comes to mind. You can even create a home business with good enough research and a bit of effort 👍🏻

@U_Geek 2 года назад

Is hydroponics dirt cheap? No,it makes dirt look expensive. Now that is what I wanna hear as a college student.

@DavidJapanese 2 года назад

I have always wondered if the nutrition of hydroponics is better or worse than soil grown... with hard numbers

@tahahassan897 2 года назад

I am in Pakistan 🇵🇰. Just today I checked prices of hydroponic nutrient. 3 part liquid (100ml each) was 20$. EC and PH tester were 30$.

@ivareskesner2019 2 года назад

Order from Ali. They're based in China, right next to you, and will deliver pretty much anything you like 👍🏻

@tahahassan897 2 года назад

@@ivareskesner2019 Yeah thats a great source but import taxes and customs are a huge pain.

@ivareskesner2019 2 года назад

@@tahahassan897 I see. I'm currently in Australia so the price is probably different from yours. I suppose because so much of their business is from here. Look at it this way, mate. If you do your research and pick the right things to buy, you can make a good one off investment. Wherever you buy it, starting to grow will take some research, investment and sacrifice. But it will certainly pay off if you do it right.

@Hoocho 2 года назад

Liquid is more expensive, buy dry nutrient

@ghanshamgagnani3356 2 года назад

Useful insights, please make video on fully automated small home setup, cost of meters / devices

@Hoocho 2 года назад

It's on the list!

@Brabo1506 2 года назад

Hey Hoocho. First of all love the channel. How do you keep bicarbonates from messing with the PH in the system? I know professional systems use a form of neutralizer, but how does this work in systems you use at home?

@Hoocho 2 года назад

It’s less of a problem than you’d think. I don’t have ph issues using rainwater.

@craigparry5648 2 года назад

👍, do you ever have trouble with your nft system over heating during summer and the water getting to warm/ hot lowering it's oxygen content.

@Hoocho 2 года назад

I haven’t, but I’m running 700L in a fully clad reservoir, the heat buffer that the large body of water provides helps with this.

@ramoneoliveira5851 2 года назад

Incrível Hoocho, absolutamente incrível.

@Hoocho 2 года назад

Cheers Ramone, and Thank you for your consistent like comments! I appreciate it!

@danialbrown4417 2 года назад

HOOCHO! I am building a hydroponic system and I would like to buy my rain gutters from the same place as your friend who buys them for $1. or something comparable, ie 1-7$ per slat. thank you for your shared experience, it is inspiring.

@barbarastefani254 Год назад

Thank you

@johnmcginnis5201 2 года назад

Interesting numbers. I would be interested in your assessment of the value add of the shade house environment to your overall reduction in costs. I would assume you have reduced use of pesticides (a cost) and labor (another cost) saved for not having to treat the plants.

@karimhayes3134 2 года назад

loved your video

@triplekungfu 2 года назад

I've got an 80L version of that green lid tub (at 7:24); I do not recommend it. It's bulging like crazy under the weight of the water, I've added a ratchet strap to reinforce it and keep the lid on (it still looks like it's struggling though). Can't speak for the 100L version, but I'd bet it has the same issue.

@JoanEvangelista 2 года назад

Damn perlite is so cheap where you are. Coco (unbuffered and unwashed at ~0.15 USD per liter) is cheaper then perlite (~0.8 USD per liter) where I am but it is still not cheap when compared to minimum wage ( ~10 USD per day ). The cheapest material I found here is rice hulls at around 0.1 USD per liter. I'm experimenting on using it together with coco on a simple drain to waste system.

@Peterspalding1 2 года назад

Really liked your video. where can I buy the channel used for the NFT system at a good price?

@brianbailey7128 2 года назад

Any idea where to source that type of rail in the US? My google searching is coming up empty (at least for purchasing small quantity / home use).

@MrMonero 2 года назад

Mate this is fecking awesome. I wish you were my neighbour.

@thankgodimhere 2 года назад

hey do you have a video on how to reuse perlite? cleaning etc

@_jellus_ Год назад

Absolutely murdered that caterpillar lmao

@s.m.s.m.630 Год назад

Wow. This is awesome. You’ve got a new subscriber! I have a feeling that being frugal will be super relevant in a few years when AI will take off and kill even more jobs. I like the idea of having a piece of soil that basically feeds you. Turns out it does not have to be soil. Wow.

@gardnep 2 года назад

My greenhouse hydroponic flood and drain Dutch bucket tomato’s are just turning as new year comes around while those in the garden have only just started flowering. Do you reuse your perlite for tomato’s? If so how often? I have been boiling mine, 20L at a time ie hold it at 80 d C for one hour, just lasts the camper stove disposable canister. I have 18 buckets so it takes a while. I am doing about 30-40L of water a day and top up half strength after 2-3 days. Temperatures are a problem in Armidale. Guyra is home to Costas giant 50 acre glasshouses. Using Manu? stuff from Bunnings. Need to keep nutrient alkaline ~7 to avoid blossom end rot.

@Hoocho 2 года назад

Reuse till it no longer has good a physical structure.

@benburns1197 Год назад

Where in Australia do you get the rectangle channels? All I can find are round sown pipes"

@bryanst.martin7134 Год назад

There was an American engineer/Aquaponic tinkerer and used a dehumidifier to reclaim the water and heat from the plant discharge. Very low loss. Global entities want to limit our water usage, and we should beat them to the punch. Also, there is too little fertilizer runoff to concern the local environment, since there is practically no water leaving the system.

@innerenergysedona 2 года назад

u are right I started 26 years ago when 4 inch was dirt cheep since the money has gotten biden cheep the cost of 4" pvc was 8 bucks, now 42 bucks says food went up, but I am in control of what we eat, grew up in produce business, experienced the way we sell and buy produce. 7 day old produce is devoid of nutrient . grow your own to know what you eat!

@scotteveleigh1723 2 года назад

Great breakdown of cost Hoocho, apart from the tomatoes what healthy looking produce :). Would you possibly have information on what vegetables are best grown in NFT or Dutch Buckets? finding it difficult to find the info, Thanks.

@Hoocho 2 года назад

Greens in NFT, and fruiting long term plants in Dutch buckets as a general rule.

@scotteveleigh1723 2 года назад

@@Hoocho thank you very much.

@woodyahh2110 2 года назад

After initial cost lettuce production is about 15 cents per head

@gardnep 2 года назад

Mice hammering tomatos in Dutch buckets, any suggestions? Traps are in and one set off last night but no catch. Trying to get footage, failed last night, try again tonight.

@mking3219 2 года назад

Happy belated New Year

@johnman559 2 года назад

Although not very absorbent Is a bit of perlite in a net pot an option for starting even cheaper?

@3110567 2 года назад

The tubes you have your lettuce in, what are they called and where could I look in the states for them

@Holodomor4.0 2 года назад

Where did you get your dragonfruit seeds from?

@fshah48 Год назад

What is the shelf life od dry nutrients after opening the bag and storing in a so-called tight lid container?

@karimhayes3134 2 года назад

How about a calculation on cost per kilo of tomatoes? Please be very interesting

@fshah48 Год назад

Can we reuse nutrients from previous batch after adjusting pH and EC?

@eejhayreyes7415 11 месяцев назад

can we use fish pond or in aquarium water for hydroponics?

@caryandrae9952 Год назад

i am wondering, why are most commercial hydroponics mostly uses NFT system to compared vertical hydroponic system? with the vertical towers can accommodate 50 plants per square m area. Why isnt that used more wider? If there some kind of cons to vertical towers compared to nft system?

@kenshinhimura9387 2 года назад

Hydro is super expensive for the unusual setup. After that it's cheaper than normal gardening.

@kenshinhimura9387 2 года назад

haha I love my phones autocorrect. I meant to say initial setup is more expensive but I think everyone still gets the point.

@dimitristripakis7364 2 года назад

I am mostly worried about what those plastics leach in water when under the Sun's UV radiation.

@BobMimsIV Год назад

What is the shelf life of the nutrients? If I was to buy in bulk ensuring I never run out. Does cold weather climates shorten shelf life?

@atomizer2665 Год назад

Dry nutrients will last for years as long as you keep them in airtight containers and out of direct sun.

@Junzar56 2 года назад

Holy moly!

@datfreakdatfreak6123 2 года назад

I cant find a local supplier (toowoomba qld) for that fertilizer. Do you get yours delivered? The ee muir website lists vic companies but none up here. Ive been using the bunnings manutec stuff with good results but after seeing this, I'm keen to go bulk (im cheap)

@temosormogane7061 Год назад

How do you run your pumps, 24 hours or you have a timer?

@nerys71 2 года назад

4 liters might be what the PLANT consumes but you will probably lose 4 liters for ever 1 liter of water used to evaporation. ie a LOT of water.??? is there a way to control evap? (I live high altitude desert 7000ft new mexico) if I have to purchase water it will be more expensive than just buying the food. but if I can use tap water and control evap it would be cheaper to grow (very hard water) Suggestions?

@atomizer2665 Год назад

Hard water is ok, as long as you use nitric acid to convert the calcium and magnesium carbonates to nitrates.

@nerys71 Год назад

@@atomizer2665 The issue with hardwater is the PUMP. most small scale pumps commit suicide in short order with this hardwater. any found tougher pumps that handle the hard water without dying? when I say fast I mean fast most small pumps can't last more than 4 or 5 days with this hardwater (think swamp coolers or humidifier's coffee machines cat watering fountains etc..)

@atomizer2665 Год назад

@@nerys71 Hardwater in itself doesnt kill pumps, its the formation of insoluble calcium and magnesium carbonates :) Once the temperature of the pump reaches 35-40c the carbonates begin to form. Most submersible pumps will reach this temperature quite easily, which is why heat issues in nutrient reservoirs is pretty common.

@kevinamin9362 Год назад

explain which plants the rodents/mice love to attack. how do you guard against them?

@andremclean4433 2 года назад

Is there somewhere I can get t his start up information, equipment and design?

@Yourmomma568 2 года назад

what aboot electricity? also, how do you keep algae down?

@mknight3488 Год назад

Great episode, but where are the dogs

@MBD139 Год назад

can you reuse rockwool after harvest?

@shpenchta-babeh8882 2 года назад

Hoocho, in your nft do you run the pump 24/7 or do you put em on a timer? If you’ve mentioned in other videos I apologize but need to know I’ve had issues running my nft rails with the pumps on at full force 24 hours a day. Keep having issues.

@Hoocho 2 года назад

24/7 mate

@pierrex3226 Год назад

So the main costs are in equipment and electricity. Fifty bucks a year in electricity and pump replacement, two hundred bucks upfront for gear. Bearing in mind that if you build a greenhouse or anything like that, there's a cost to it. Either way, if you assume you run that for three years, it's an investment worth making.