I mean since the Mario games setting is just Mario with its fantasy, urban, and sci-fi features coexisting it would make sense for the past to just be set in the just zelda setting.
[TP] The bread merchant in Castle Town (found on one end of the southern through fare) even talks about how he loved Castle Towns, and that each one was one culture shock after another. This implies that there are other Kingdoms with other Castle Towns.
Labrynna, Holodrum, Subrosia, and Hytopia are all kingdoms far from Hyrule that Link and Zelda travel to. So Hyrule is not a planet but a kingdom in a seemingly humongous and ever changing planet.
yes made sense, and some zelda games play not even in hyrule and always moon and sun is part of zeldas worlds, about breath of the wild ibthink its so great like los angeles compared to our world. And its not an island because in open worlds its the best and only way i had in my mind to set a limit always water. like all gta games los santos in gta 5 too had just an endless ocean and a sky who made you feel you fly higher but you don't. i think next to hyrule is Termina whitch you can visit normal or by an accident, through fall down a cave and then find this river who is floating through the cave, in majoras mask its because of your magic ocarina you can restart normally i think the whole zelda planet would die. because without moon a Planet .just google it how the world is without moon, i mean not a crash just without the moon.
A country you say? Does that make Goron City, Zora Domain, Kakariko Vilalge all states in this country? I would think Hyrule is something like a continent. Kinda like how Europe is called a continent even tho it has Asia attached to it. A region agreed upon by many cultures but not clearly defined where the borders are.
@@Broockle those are more sovereign nations, if that. The country of Hyrule and the kingdom of Hyrule do not necessarily mean the same thing. Hyrule (kingdom) is at least smaller than the country it's on (the Zora also have a kingdom and their own societal hierarchy, yet live right next to Hyrule's borders)
@@emoryfinch3619 I agree with all that except with the "country" of hyrule. It would be more land or continent of hyrule. Country implies it's a governing body. So within the land of hyrule we have the kingdom of hyrule where the hylians live then the Gerudo desert, death mountains, Zora domain, kakariko village and deku kingdom.
Greek references: Orion was an adventure & hunter known for his bowman ship = *Link* Ursa Major/Big Dipper was an innocent women unjustly killed = *Zelda* Cassiopeia is a person being tortured without end for their hubris = *Ganondorf/Demise*
As the great historian Terry Pratchett has documented Hyrule is probably located on a disk supported by four great elephants standing on the back of a giant turtle swimming through space.
Wind Waker's FLOOD happened 100 years after Ocarina of Time, not the events of Wind Waker, so the date on the grave is most likely 800 years after the flood.
Yes!!! Thank you! I am so tired of hearing this ignorant 100 years number thrown around like canon. The backstory even makes no damn sense if it was only 100 years between OoT and WW. Do you homework, Monster Maze, this is why I talk shit about you Zelda RU-vidrs! Edit: It's important to note, this 100 years number comes from a mistranslation of an Aonuma interview, where he gives a rough estimate for the setting of WW. He actually says a word that means 'between 100 and 1,000 years', or more accurately, 'hundreds of years' (which is exactly what the King says in WW). We don't know the exact time, but I would say 800 years makes sense, given the evidence and past events.
@@nickcurrant2254 exactly right I totally agree and you know what else gives this proof wind waker ganondorf he seemed to be the oldest he’s ever been out of his alternate incarnation twilight princess ganondorf which tells me that twilight princess ganondorf died much earlier then ganondorf of the adult timeline it also puts a big ranch into people saying wind waker and twilight princess take place at the same time NO IT DOES F 🤬NOT ganondorf different age and look in both timelines in games proves this. He’s older in wind waker lived longer in the adult timeline He’s younger in twilight princess and died earlier in the child timeline
@@thatjrpganimefanplayerjusi8003 Of course, some could argue that it's just the style they chose for WW that lead to Ganondorf's design, but I agree. He seems to be modeled similarly to the King's age, which makes sense given the timespan in the backstory: Comparing what we know, in regards to the distance between WW and OoT on the timeline, there needs to first be enough time after the Adult ending to OoT for the people of Hyrule to forget the details of the Hero's story and it passes into legend--enough to even leave the people waiting for the Hero to return. Next, Ganondorf resurrects from his imprisonment to wreak havock on society, just like he promised at the end of OoT. With no hero, they plead to the gods and are instructed to run for the hills from a coming flood. Then, enough time passes that the people forget where Hyrule is, and Ganondorf is resurrected again from his imprisonment beneath the sea, in Hyrule Castle (where many of his minions remain frozen in time). Afterward, King Daphne's is resurrected temporarily from his stasis and proceeds to search for the Hero and Zelda, but Ganondorf kills two sages before anyone knows. Then, after much searching, the King finally finds who he thinks is the Hero, but even Jabun wonders if he is. In summary, ONE HUNDRED YEARS, MY ASS!
Even more than 800 years, atleast 900 since the artist died in the very end of the "9th century". We also don't know how old the tomb stone is, but concidering there is a random guy dancing in front of it instead of paying respects it's most likely old enough for people to have forgotten about the artist. So more like 1000+ years.
One last couple of things: At the end of OoT, Ganondorf exclaims that when he finally breaks the seal, that is when he will exterminate Link and Zelda's descendants--*descendants*--so even Ganondorf knew he'd be sealed for a looooong time. Additionally, Zelda and the sages would have been fully aware of Link's story, and Zelda is even in perfect position to pass it on, so again enough time passed where the people of Hyrule *forgot* their history, despite it clearly having been passed on to later generations. This is only WW backstory, and it alone probably represents more than 100 years of time since OoT, before there was even a flood.
Breath of the Wild's map alone proves that it's not the entire planet, you can see some far-off lands beyond the invisible borders of Hyrule. Also RIP East Hyrule, I never forgot that there were lands beyond the eastern ocean.
You're the top comment when it comes to talking about the terrain outside of BotW's map. You get to hear a theory I've been holding onto for almost a year. Assuming that the size of Hyrule is reduced from the canon scale (like most videogames do), and that this change in size reduces the landscape by around 60x (given the 1:60 time ratio in the game). I've used several glitches to explore outside of the map, and I've determined that (if we assume the desert used to be a lush green environment with a large sea to the West, as seen in Skyward Sword), then the entire island seen in the game mostly resembles a heavily transformed Kalimantan, in Indonesia. Hyrule itself exists in the South Eastern Quadrant. This is, of course, is assuming that Zelda takes place in the future. If we're following the typical belief that it takes place in the past, then I have no idea where it is.
@@CrypticlyEncrypted the world of Splatoon is caused by rising sea levels that wiped us all out. it explains in the lore you can collect. in pikmen, there are several items you pick up that look like ordinary trash although humans are not present. kirby 64 has shiver star, the only world that is globe shaped and has a moon, look even closer and you can see earth's continents. the planet is in nuclear winter
@@tamorcetold I've got to issue a correction on part of your post here: The Lanayru Desert from Skyward Sword is not the Gerudo Desert but the Provence of Lanaryu, the location of Zora River and Zora's Domain. We know this because the same Spring we visit in the Lanayru Desert in SS is also in the Lanayru Provence in Breath of the Wild. 3 springs in Faron, Eldin, and Lanayru is both Skyward Sword and Breath of the Wild. However, I will add that the earliest in the Zelda Timeline we see the Desert of Mystery (The Minish Cap), it is a Swamp. So there' still hope to your theory I think?
With how often the "world" of Hyrule seems to be in peril from Ganon's influence, I also wonder "Does the rest of the world that Hyrule is set in even care, or does no other life exist outside of Hyrule?"
Hard to say but... for instance, Spirit Tracks takes place on a completely different continent. Thousands of years after Hyrule has ceased to exist to exist. And here too they have their own perils and demons plaguing them. But Ganondorf never wins, so we will never know how far he would go to take over the rest of the world haha.
"Hey guys, have you heared about those medieval folks from Hyrule having trouble with that big 'ol pigface Ganon again? Yeeeeah I heared about that! Poor people those Hylians, look at them. *burps while sipping on another beer*
@@MonsterMaze wait, I’m no timeline expert and I’ve never played Spirit Tracks ... But don’t multiple games take place AFTER spirit tracks and take place in Hyrule? How does this make sense lol Not doubting that your comment about spirit tracks is correct just very confused
@@gregpl9363 : Now I"m just picturing Metroid Prime gameplay of Samus shooting like crazy at the mailman while he's running forward to give her mail. XD
Concerning Hyrule’s inconsistent geography, I’ve had a theory for a while that Hyrule’s powerful nature deities cause these changes. Perhaps the dragons in specific? In SS, the water dragon floods the whole forest. And in BotW, someone at the Faron stable mentions a legend that the dueling peaks were created by a dragons (Faroosh) flying straight through what was once a single mountain. The dragon’s being invisible to most could also explain why we haven’t seen them doing this in other games. It’s essentially the same explanation for the “evolution” in WW. Powerful spirit/deities (one of which was a dragon) caused rapid changes in people groups. Perhaps the simple answer of “magic and spirits” explains a lot of Hyrule’s scientific improbabilities.
Underrated comment! My personal feeling is that it's a mix of nature gods and Hyrule's volcanic activity. Eldin volcano is MASSIVE, and if Vesuvius could bury Pompeii so thoroughly that people could build on top of it, you better believe Eldin volcano could REALLY mess with the geography of Hyrule. And when deities can literally yeet entire sections of the world into the sky or completely flood it, the fact that some locations are actually consistent between games is impressive!
There's also, half-jokingly, gorons. Especially since we know they can grow to truly absurd sizes. Biggoron could do some serious damage if he decided to roll over to Lake Hylia for a bath, and when he eventually meets his end, he's gonna be a large hill or small mountain all on his own.
It's definitely not a planet, holodrum, labrinnya and new hyrule exist within the same world not to mention in ocarina of time zelda says "He wants to conquer hyrule, no the entire world!" Implying that hyrule isn't the only thing that exists in this planet
@@docAvid314 if you meant when I made this comment then nope, afterwards ya huh, if you couldn't tell this is kinda like a prediction comment since as you said my comment wasn't what the videos point was
I'd like to say that the planet being called "Earth" along with the names of the Sun and Moon being "the Sun" and "the Moon" aren't exactly evidence of it being an alternate version of our Earth. It makes perfect sense that the name of a planet in its intelligent species' native languages is going to be some version of their word for dirt. Same with the big bright dot in the daytime sky, or the pale circle most visible in the night; them being called "the Sun" and "the Moon" would be because of translation. Now the constellations, on the other hand, 100% confirm that it's an alternate version of our Earth; the chances of those same constellations forming in a completely different part of space is, pardon the pun, astronomically low.
Agreed. "Sol" wasn't the name of the closest star, it was the ball in the sky which provided light. "Moon" is a generic term. It doesn't mean the only the moon orbiting planet Earth. Lots of planets have a moon or multiple moons. As you say, the constellations do provide convincing evidence of the planet in the game is Earth.
In Pikmin series the captains have their own language but the game is designed for You to understand what they're saying so of course it'll be "translated" into something the player can understand. In Pikmin 2 they give a lot of their own names to objects found on earth. Such as a pine cone being named a "conifer spire..." How do they know what a conifer even is? Do they have pine tree's on their planet? Where are they even getting this earth name from? A more likely explanation is whatever they've named a pine tree is being "translated" to an English equivalent. So yeah I agree with this analogy
Game designers use landmarks and similarities from this planet to give the world a base in reality. Otherwise the world would not make sense to a human being. That there are a few constellations that look like some of them on earth is nothing more than a fun addition and for players a 'hey, that looks like Orion!' moment and not in any means proof that it's based on earth..
I would love to see more games like botw that delve into places like termina, holodrum, or even new lands. Something that fleshes out the world hyrule is in more
I would love if games started exploring beyond the borders of hyrule but close enough to the og hyrule map that we would know their location in the big picture.
Following our real-world tradition of naming planets after gods and goddesses, I've long had a headcanon that Zelda's planet's name is "Hylia." XD I'm a physicist, and I've actually wanted to create a video about the astronomy of Zelda for a while now. Maybe one day I can finally find the time!
@@omniscribblr . If you were Planning on making a game similar to Disney Magical Kingdom, i'll run with it. Except it would have all the Nintendo characters instead of the Disney ones. But it would have to be different too.
@shark_eater09 I am also a space interested person and yeah, same feeling. Literally angers me, it has been proven that the Earth is literally round for hundred of years.
@@NovaDraconis The Greeks knew the earth was round, and there's evidence the Egyptians did before them. It's not honestly hard for any society to figure out. The fact that flat earthers exist just goes to prove that some people never should have passed kindergarten.
Seems to me the three Constellations are just representation of Link (Orion) Zelda (Cassiopeia) and Ganon (Ursa Major/BigDipper). We have a hunter with his bow, a queen, and a bear, all close enough to what our three main characters represent.
@@Wolfsinger96 Which also makes sense as Ganondorf never asked to be the mortal form of Demise. It is of fault of the gods he is the way he is. Demise also blames the golden goddesses and Hylia for everything that's happened. Ganondorf carries a hatred which is not his own.
If anyone’s Orion, it’s Ganondorf, not Link. Artemis kills Orion for trying to rape the Seven Sisters (the Pleiades star cluster) (and then Zeus is Zeus and puts them all in the sky so that Orion can continue to pursue them even in death. ASSHOLE.) HOWEVER: that’s all far to eurocentric. I prefer monstermaze’s dive into shinto, buddhist, and hindu interpretations for these same constellations. And well. Seven Sages/spirit maidens is a reoccurring theme throughout the franchise But as far as why these constellations are there? Dev’s easter eggs. They’re simply recognizable, especially to players from the northern hemisphere
Here’s a theory idea for you, going off the last part of this video. In the BOTW 2 trailer we see giant chunks of land making their ways to the skies. Maybe this isn’t the first time this has happened and explains why the geography is different from game to game 👀
Nintendo’s interest in Orion (the hunter), The Big Dipper (the bear), and Cassiopeia (the queen) might also relate to the three bearers of the triforce: The hero, The beast, and the Princess.
A Legend of Zelda game set in “modern” or futuristic Hyrule with an alien invasion would be cool. Perhaps a shared enemy would force Link to team up with Ganon? Using magic to battle technology, it could be that in this era of Hyrule magic has gone extinct, and Link needs to rediscover it to save Hyrule from the invasion.
especially after botw. It straight up said to be the end of the legendary timeline, and all the past stories are now canonically mythical and legendary tales passed down over times. Thus, botw’s timeline are the only “real” events in the zelda universe. Now of course we the player know that these past events happened and where the master sword came from and yatta yatta. But the CHARACTERS don’t.
@@labelledamedumanor4876 i'd like such a Zelda to actully focuse on the Alien Cultures. I don't see it in the Timeline after BotW, i actully think between 10.000 years ago and BotW would sit well. It's not considered a Ganon-Calamity after all by Hylians if it's an Alien threat. I see him using one or two Sheikah techs, like Links Traveling Devise would make sense.
@@labelledamedumanor4876 i think they're there own stuff And BTW, what makes BotW's Malice a different thing from that we've seen in Skyward Sword (Acient Cistern Underground), Windwaker (Enemys exploding animation after defeat) or Orcarina of Time (Bongo Bongo)?
Well this just makes me wish that BotW2 will actually end the reincarnation cycle so they can expand the world and have us explore new Kingdoms with their own Legends. Then after a few games we can all start speculating where which Kingdom is located. Or alternatively actually have Zelda in Space & we get to look down on the planet & where Hyrule is and speculate about other areas on the planet. Dammit look what you did now I’ll be up all night dreaming of what could be.
Why does Ganon always have to begin his plans to take over the planet by taking over Hyrule? Maybe dude should try taking over the rest of the planet first. That would honestly be a neat Zelda game. Link has to travel to the corrupt continents and beat the malice that’s taken it over or some such
This was a super interesting video! I never noticed all the constellations in Windwaker or the red star in Majora's Mask-- those were cool. I also really like how you intertwined real-life stuff with Zelda, and also that clip of the interview with Aonuma and Miyamoto, it was such a fun one!
I don't think it is. If it was a planet, it would be a small planet or island on one big ocean. But no, I don't believe it's a planet. But astronomy gang
It's not, we've seen other countries on the same planet: New Hyrule, Holodrum and Labrynna. There's also Termina and while Nintendo much later said its a dream or something I still hold that is just another country on the same planet.
@@kacperwoch4368 I always just copy the pronounciation form "A journey to the Edge of the universe" (the british version that is). He says Beetle "Guzz".. sort of.
7:54 Not true. Thats an old mistranslation from Japanese to English. The Wind Waker does NOT take place one hundred years after Ocarina of Time. Rather what was said was it takes place hundreds. With an S as in multiple, centuries.
(Posted before watching video) I always thought of Hyrule as a kingdom, maybe the size of Europe (or maybe even just the Iberian peninsula) with many other lands, known and unknown lying in the surrounding areas. What I think is a more interesting question is the size of Hyrule, determining it's reach and what sort of empire it would equate to in reality.
This video would have been a great opportunity to address the position of the sun. In most games the sun is in the south and moves east-west, implying Hyrule is in the northern hemisphere. In BotW, the sun still moves east-west, but is in the _north_ implying Hyrule is in the southern hemisphere instead. But in BotW 2's trailer, we see the sun in the south once again. This is extremely confounding. If Hyrule's physical location on its planet is unchanged, then the *_entire planet itself_* would have to change its orientation in order for the sun to somehow shift from north to south. Another astronomical quibble: During nighttime, why does the moon move, but the stars don't? In real life, both the moon and the stars move as night progresses. Also, as the moon changes phase, why does it remain in the same place relative to the sun? It is impossible for a crescent moon or even a quarter moon to be positioned exactly opposite of the sun. (from a technical perspective I know it's not important but it somewhat breaks the immersion for me tbh) These are a couple of details that I haven't seen discussed much and thought would be a good part of this video. Regardless, this was still a great video and it made my astronomical side pretty happy. Keep up the good work MM ^^
In the Zelda Cartoon series from the 1980's there was an episode where a Prince came to Hyrule from another kingdom. Hyrule is just a kingdom and there are other nations. We still don't know much about these other kingdoms though just that they are far away, it's not really explored enough.
why are we questioning something that already has an answer? The creators said it's Earth. It's EARTH people, in a FANTASY GAME. Why are we going so in Depth about it?? So fucking weird....
For Christ's sake, people. It's just the name of the freaking video. If you actually WATCH the video, you'll see that he's actually explaining why Hyrule is NOT a planet.
You will not be able to unsee this when I tell you that BotW uniquely has a sun in the northern sky despite most likely being located on the northern hemishpere. All the quests with following a shadow were a real pain.
About the Japanese 地球 "chikyuu" for Earth that Miyamoto was referring too... The kanji are literally just "ground" and "ball" and chikyuu isn't actually a proper name like the English "Earth". It just means "the world". So the planet that hyrule is located isn't called "Earth". It's just "the world".
There’s a theory which suggests that Mario and Zelda take place in the same world, i know that can be weird but hear this: In super mario odyssey it was planed to give mario a link outfit, and did you know what was the description of the suit? An outfit from ANOTHER LAND, want more? there’s also the fact some games have mario enemies, like in the minish cap where there’s lakitus, bob-ombs, etc or in a link to the past where there’s the chain chomp, and finally there’s wart, yeah, i know that both link’s awakening and super mario bros 2 are dreams, but the thing is that both subcon and koholint where like parallel universes that you can only access by dreaming, and who is in both games? Exactly Wart (or Mamu in japan), also, wart is the only character that manages to scape from the koholint before anyone and it would make sense since he can travel throught dreams, so, with all of this i can say that mario and zelda takes place in the same planet? But where exactly? Well there’s a whole continent in mario odyssey that we don’t explore, so that could be the location of hyrule. PD: Sorry if it’s to long.
Going off the creation myth we get in OoT and TP, Din created the "red earth" _before_ Nayru created the heavens, including the sun. So I think we can safely conclude that Zelda cosmology does its own thing with its own internal rules, and any similarities to our own are fleeting and coincidental. For my part, I view the sun and moon not necessarily as spherical structures, but more akin to, say, leaves floating on a pool, while the "solar" system is closer to being geocentric than heliocentric.
The Orion one is easy, the belt of Orion the most noticeable part of the constellation, it's not only made of the stars that appear the closest to each other but also the shiniest ones. how many stars are there in Orion's belt? Three. Where in the series is the number three important? Exactly, the Triforce, one of the only elements that remains consistent through the hole series. In what room do we find a photo of Orion? In Thetra's, one of the known holders of the triforce. Bang, there is your symbolism. Furthermore Orions belt probably has religious significance within Hyrule, as in its mythology the three godsess "came from the heavens" it's easy to assume that the Hyliams believe that either the stars are where the godsess came from (I think there is at least one irl religion that believed that the gods came from there) or that the stars are the godsess themselves, as in Ocarina of time they are shown to be luminous beings that emit light.
I think the real constellations were done, because it was easier than making up their own. They probably based the skybox on real photos of the night sky, it would make sense, and since the games are made for an Earth audience, giving them things to recognize in the night sky is neat.
Omg thank you for pointing out the fact that its the *Legend* of Zelda. I always use that as a rationalization, the idea that it's being told and shifted through time for many inconsistencies, mainly the changes in art style's. But I love it as an explanation for the geography too.
I feel like they should do a zelda game set in a binary system, a solar system that has 2 stars and yes that is a thing, there is ones you can see with the naked eye now they will appear as one star but if you get a decent telescope you can tell. Also we know of quite a few and when i think it was percivell lowell or was it William herschel discovered them it was a big shock to the scientific community at the time. And yes a am an addict of kerbal space program.
Astronomy and Zelda? exactly down my alley as usual. When you were explaining the meanings of the constellations and their recurrent appearance, I was kinda thinking along the lines of Cassiopeia, Orion and The Big Dipper representing Zelda, Link and the Sages respectively, maybe? Since Cassiopeia is a Queen, Orion a Hunter/warrior coming from the common folk, and then as you said, the sages are a bit more on the nose lol Just a thought. Great video as always.
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I find it intresting that we can pinpoint if a Zelda Game takes place in a Warm-age or Ice Age just by looking at Lanayru When a Desert, is Ice Age. The Water is Bound on the Pols in Icecaps. When a Moist Region it's Warm, the Water being Free to Roam around the World in Gas and Liquid Form and now finding it's way to Lanayru.
Honestly it’s at the point now where if Zelda got the old D&D treatment with there being huge worlds and realms all told in proper context, I’d be happy with that. Heck! It’d help flesh out a ttrpg type game!
Pretty easy. No. There is Holodrum and Labrynthia. Link also left to sail and visit other land in Link's awakening. Hylian is also a specific ethnic and racial term. We also know that the Gerudo and the lands they live in were not always a part of Hyrule, but a warring country. Pretty easily, the answer is no.
I'm beginning my post with an apology. I don't mean to sound like a dick or anything, but this is how I felt about the video at around 5:16 I'm sure you and most of your viewers understand the concept of common and proper nouns, but I've got a thing to inform those who may not. It was written as "the earth", lowercase "e", which denotes a common noun. Proper nouns always begin with a capital letter. "Kingdom" is an example of a common noun (capitalized because it's the start of a sentence), whereas "Hyrule" is an example of a proper noun. Earth with a lowercase "e" would mean the land, so the goddesses descended to the chaotic land that would later become Hyrule. It seemed quite clear to me in the interview, that Miyamoto and Aonuma weren't thinking on a planetary scale when it came to the Zeldaverse and just pulled "Earth" out of their butts to give an answer. I'm sure in due time, Nintendo will decide on an official name for the planet and have an official world map drawn. Keep in mind there was no official Zelda timeline, split or not, until after Ocarina of Time was released and the fandom started placing the five games in their own theorized timelines with OoT being the earliest. We can speculate all we want about the name of the planet, Earth because Miyamoto said it in an interview, and it's placement in the galaxy, which might seem relatively similar to Earth's due to Orion and other familiar constellations being seen in Wind Waker. Great video so far, I'm going to watch the rest of it later.
Fun fact: France exists in the same world as hyrule. There is an npc at the stables in botw were she can change your horse's mane. One of these mane styles is french braids. Why the hell would she offer french braids is France didn't exist? Food for thought
I can come up with either 2 answers for that question for an argument against France existing in the Zelda universe. The first is that the mane change feature is non canon, which I find to be the most laughable answer. The second is that it's called so as a result of Nintendo of America once again fucking up the translations from Japanese to English, which I find to be more likely as NOA's consistency with fucking up Japanese to English translations is so repetitive that it's become almost memeworthy.
