So obviously I've had a lot of comments about the ‘delay’ I was hearing and I addressed it in this video after listening again while editing. I put up a text comment on the screen explaining that it was probably just synths and reverb I was hearing. However! It just occurred to me that there is a whole other guitar part in there played by Scott that none of us even thought to address. I would say it probably has a little to do with that. 😆 Regardless, these guys are freaks. I'm becoming inspired to have a crack at learning it.
Did you ever end up learning it? Took me 4 months, chipping at it every day, and I still wouldn't be confident enough to play it live in front of anyone lol. Specifically the end part, I get through it clean maybe once every 8 runs.
You’re a ridiculous idiot for ya clickbait title and not understanding how this was created. I am telling RU-vid not to recommend your videos anymore. No excuses. Do better.
You are right about that the band has no weak link. Tim writes crazy music from random ass melodies he happens to have stuck in his head. Then make a very basic song out of it and pass it along to each band member so they can compose their own part and see how it can fit into the song. There aesthetic of their band's looks is on tim's part doing that to market themselves to younger audience and that also allows them to sell merch and music tabs for fans. They cash in on tours and improve their stage presence a lot over the years from standing around like robots to actually put on a decent show. Their music video aligns with what the song is and the music videos are done to an insane way too with very talented music video directors and editors. Tim also collaborates with a lot of talented music producers and other musicians to help him compose, mix, and master the tracks for their songs. They have great amazing music videos i've ever seen from any artist or band. The color scheme they choose, the clothes and outfits, the equipment they use, the editing of the video, and creative artistic style the video has is dripping with things to hook yours eye glued to the video. Securing branding deals is crazy too where they got Ibanez to make signature guitars for the band and Clay A the drummer got deal with Tama for the drums and Meinl Cymbals... Soo crazy... All in all, Tim has this music game on lockdown in every aspect. The surprising thing is, the band is making them all big money!! They got a lot of sponsors and branding deals from Tim working his ass off to get all of that launch with his marketing using social media, hes really clever in that space more than the usual people from his demographic.
Yeah, you can’t just play music anymore. You really need to be business savvy. Brand deals are a great way for them to keep the ball rolling. Especially being that any company would be silly NOT to endorse these guys.
I have to disagree with the delay hypothesis ... I'm watching his Alternate picking, and I'm seeing a correlation between the hammer ons and the picking style ??? It's so far beyond and outside what I can actually play ( ... and I'm actually a fucking decent player) that I'm just postulating. I figure if I can't play the fuckin' thing I'll just use big words and sound smart ... LOL
you need 6 years minimum of constantly playing to be able to recreate this in any way shape or form, unless you're a walking musical prodigy with perfect pitch and motor skills to keep up to 140 bpm double time picking with muted triplets then i wont give you false hope
@@Crazy-mr3py while you are absolutely correct, and I agree with you that that is the common route, I have also seen 5 year olds rocking Chopin. I think that the major difference with child prodigies is that no one ever told them that it was impossible.
@@Crazy-mr3py I mean, I certainly cant play great but practicing it has helped alot, i have the entire intro (first 30 seconds) memorized and i wanna say i can play it at an even 70 bpm but usually some what inconsistent. It introduced me to hybrid picking and its been fun to learn the technique and apply it to other songs i can play. challenging and sometimes frustrating its been fun to learn, who knows maybe when i can ill pick up some chicks with it in a year lol
@@benjistraw3961 don’t listen to that guy it would NOT take 6 years to learn that song unless you were physically disabled. Even if you were average at guitar, with a year of consistent practicing of this song and the skills within them you’d get it. Getting up to speed might take another couple months/ year but it wouldn’t take that long lol
the TOD10N that hes using is built different than your normal classic (obviously with the slimmer shape). They also changed the neck shape and string height from most classical guitars. I do own this guitar and ive also played classical guitars. They do SOUND better on here but they are still quite hard to hit as you have to be EXACT on where your fingers are. I can play harmonics on electric all day without worrying much but with the TOD10N, you have to really pay attention to where your fingers are for sure. GREAT guitar to own coming from electrics though
@@PrymalChaos i cant blame you honestly LOL plus theyre on a MASSIVE backorder. I had to wait like i think almost 7 months before i got mine. It was WILD
I think the reason the harmonics sound so good is because they're hybrid picked. I don't know what it is but when I hybrid pick it sounds exponentially better than when I normally pick the harmonics. There's more of a clean , brighter harmonic.
playing relaxed and picking harmonics with nails/pick. A lot of people try to get harmonics to ring by plucking with the skin on their finger , doesn’t work well.
I'll be very interested to see more about these guitars when Ibanez eventually releases them to the public as right now they're custom models. It does seem like they have higher tension than a normal classical guitar which probably also allows them to have a little bit better action since the strings don't oscillate as much. Similar things have been done with thin-line acoustic-electric guitars.
There was a product from ibanez with nylon strings that they discontinued years ago. These seem to be those same (or at least very similar) guitars and I've also always wanted one. I hope they release these ones soon!
If i recall correctly Tim and Scott were in high school together. They met Clay Gober also while in high school. Dont recall how they met their first drummer or the current Clay.
3:39 that stuff is just straight up his finger tone, he said he was using harmonics in chords that was kind of different for most players, just tension in the finger barring the harmonic
It’s not so much the playing…. It’s that he came up with this in the first place. You can analyze all you want but the fact remains that he did it and you are analyzing it from the backside of how he did it. How he comes to this… including the “mechanics” of it is what makes this so magical. Learning to recreate what he did is only the smallest part of understanding. The biggest part is understanding what and how he did it. Copying him is not going to get you what you or I what we yearn for. It’s his creative ability that really mystifies us all.
@@PrymalChaos How can this be in his mind… and then exit through his fingers and then is able to “trip my triggers”. That’s what is so damn awesome and amazing to me. He created something that a lot of other people… like me, are astonished and amazed at. How does that happen?
I bought a nylon solid body and the tim henson’s plugin by neural. Playing with his tone harmonics sound very loud and you ca hit a way easily than a classical guitar
How TF can someone move their finger THAT FAST!, see left hand at minute 3:03 in the original video, that's fucking insane, it almost looks fake IDK D:
I think it is just something with the synth on the backing track. I can see and hear the picked notes, hybrid picked notes, and there are also palm muted “ghost” notes in a couple spots.
Yeah I think what could have confused me is the pattern ‘sounds’ like what most people sound like when they are using a delay with an equal volume and fairly short feedback setting. There’s just so many notes and it’s percussive and rhythmic in nature, so it ‘feels like a delay part that anyone else would play. Because of that I think my mind just expected to hear delay artefacts so in turn I heard them under the track (when really it was probably just reverb and the synth parts). Tim is wild! Also I think a lot of people are commenting on this one cause I may have pushed the limits with the click-bait title. 😄 it may make me seem like a bit of a hater, and quite honestly that couldn’t be further from the truth. I honestly was just testing to see if click bait works as well as I think it does. Personally I hate it but it seems to be the way youtube is heading with what works and what doesn’t in the algorithm.
@@PrymalChaos oh wow I didn’t even pay attention to the title. I just saw the song and that you were doing the alternate version after the video version.
@@catalystguitarguy haha. Yeah. On second thoughts it may have been going too far. Haha. In my defence Veritasium has a video called “Clickbait is unreasonably effective for success on RU-vid” maybe I’ll just take it down a notch next time.
@@PrymalChaos ah clickbait is fine. I just generally enjoy seeing other peoples thoughts on music, more so from other musicians. Seeing the “how the F***?” Expressions is always great cause it reminds me of how I experienced it.
It's called too much talent PS: I have a duck video, a chicken video, a video where i am begging for money on Twitter, a walking video, a video where i am playing with my nuts. A short with a blog ... Also a patreon
Yeah. Turns out I was hearing things. My first impression was that some of the notes were repeats, and because of that on my second listening (this version) I carried over that idea, but when I scrutinised it while I was editing I noticed I was just hearing ephemeral stuff in the mix and conflating it to reverb/delay artefacts that made me hear those notes as delay produced notes. I put up an apology at 8:17. Music is hard. 🤣
i guess Tim just play his part of the song, while the other member of the group also play their parts. and then the member parts play in the background while tim playing.
I don’t have to watch this video to say no, it’s not. I’m not going to finish the video due to the bitter and click baity title but I’m just gonna say if he says yes it is faked than he’s just another of the countless guitar players who are crazy jealous.
Yeah. You really didn’t watch it. Although I do apologise for the click bait. It was an experiment based around all of the data suggesting that it’s the only thing the algorithm understands. It’s quite possibly true, but I really didn’t like it. I’d rather just be honest. All I can suggest is maybe give me another shot.
o termo ''bossa nova'' foi dado ao embranquecimento do samba ..... eu continuo a dizer que é uma mistura de samba com acordes de jazz mas tu podes lhe chamar o que quiseres
Yeah I think so. Having said that (and this isn’t leveled at you by the way) I just listened to the studio version again and I’m still fairly certain that there is a delay on the main part. Tim is a genius, it’s a genius part, but it doesn’t change the fact that there are fx in use. I don’t know why people get defensive about it. I rarely play without one. It’s all in service of the song. I think that possibly it’s there in the studio track, not there in this one, and that’s where the confusion seems to come from.
@@PrymalChaos I just watched Scott LePage's play through and you can clearly hear a bit of reverb and a bit of delay: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-M4i2vnnLNxg.html
It’s been a minute. 🤣 honestly I should fix it up and dust off the old classical technique books. I could use some practice with sight reading and finger picking!
While this guitarist is interesting, I would urge you to check out Marcin, a young Polish guitarist, performing Led Zepplin's "Kashmir" and stand back to be amazed!
does clean harmonics are not a funcion of the new guitar dude ..... it's called skill ..... i cant play harmonics that clean either ... but we dont really need to say that does are features of the guitar wen we know that does come from actual skill ... the delay that you talk about i think its just muted palm notes too.... more actual skills .... the fact that people tend to discredit actual skill by saying :it's recorded in a studio, it has arangements,it was edited and has effects or stuff like that instead of crediting the actual musician is lame a.f.
