@@legrandechene3734 I bought my first ( kinda) truck in 1882. A ford ranger for $11k. It was fairly basic, but had a lift and nice wheels. I was making 42k /year as a young engineer. So let's say salaries have doubled since then, that would make a ranger $22k. Instead, they are almost double that. Not quite, but the cost of truck has outpaced income for sure.
I have had several rear axle tubes rot through and ruin the rear diff assembly. Its more common than you think. 10-15 year old trucks. Sad what salt and calcium chloride to do these vehicles here.
@@Teamvenomracing If that is the case, there is no coating that will stop the rust that the factory can provide. Your findings have to be less than 1% of the trucks made that this happens to.
Tim I get what you’re saying I agree they should coat the housing .I have a 2020 F150 and I saw your original video on the rust so I spent 4.00 on a can of rust-olium paint and sprayed it once. The rust never came back so it’s not a big deal, but it shouldn’t have to be done
Even if it comes from factory with a coating, it will wear out over the years, you should spray fluid film or get Krown Rust Control treatment if you plan on keeping the car for a long time in the rust belt.
It is not ok to have rust so soon. I don't care if it's a perception thing or not. If it looks bad, it is bad! Especially for the prices they are asking. Thay can take that penny profit and throw it back into quality. If they can throw money on the hood, then they can throw it under the chassis. It also seems like every truck maker out there is doing their best to cut corners to save pennies. From GM's engine oil consumption, Rams delete of the oil and trans dip sticks, Toyota's plastic seat surround (and engine recall), Ford's rust issue, and Jeeps aluminum "rust" on the hinges. It seems like they've all gotten lazy when it comes to quality and serviceability.
There have been several small rusty spots on the undercarriage of my 2024 Ford Expedition since day one. I painted those spots with Rust-Oleum Rubberized Undercoating Spray. I saw same rusty pattern at exact same spots on another Ford Expedition on a RU-vid video. It seems to me that coating was there, but it got scratched off during transportation.
At most we get just surface rust here in NM. However, if I lived in the salt belt a coating of fluid film would be mandatory. Another alternative would be a coating of POR15 which is a one time application but is a lot of work to do it correctly.
As the former owner of multiple Toyotas, I spray my vehicles with Fluid Film every fall out of habit. It gets the job done. POR15 works well if prepped correctly but most people don't have the equipment required to truly do the job right. Keeps the metal covered by a film of oil or wax usually works best.
When I bought my new Ford F150 XLT in 2020 I drove it from the lot to krown undercoating it’s been under coated every year since for their warranty have no rest. I have to spend 200 bucks a year to have an undercoat. I don’t know but I live in the rust belt And I usually keep my vehicles 12 years or so I spend the money
Tim, thanks for your hard work and dedication, getting under all them trucks to show your followers the comparison!!! Also it takes balls to call and single out the manufacturers that are slacking under there! Lol
Toyota owners have been complaining about surface rust on welds on new trucks for years. Unfortunately rust is a part of life here in the rust belt. You're doing something right if you have no body rust after 10 years here. Some will already be missing rocker panels (as i saw with a 2014-15 Silverado recently).
I'll point out the opposite: our 1995 Camry had ZERO rust out here in the desert at 300k and 23 years. Out here the junk yards look like automotive museum... zero rust. On the wet side of the country oxidation is just normal... is what it is...
They dont paint them like they used to but a good paint to paint the frame and suspension parts is Eastwood's 2K ceramic black gloss chassis paint can be bought in aerosol cans and in pints quarts and gallon containers
I agree the under carriage should look clean and rust free for the money we are spending on these truck but it’s not a big issue for me. Ford, Ram, Chevy GMC Toyota not really going to stop me from buying one.
EVERY truck,SUV has these issues. Accept it and fix it. CRC HD Corrosion inhibitor, Eastwood internal frame treatment, Blaster surface shield for seams (bottom of doors) VHT high heat for exhaust parts, Rust converter and black flat paint for rear end, spring shackles and drive shaft. Oh ya, wire brush for your drill!
When I spend big money on a new truck I’m getting under yearly and coating with Fluid Film or Woolwax. If not I would have it oil sprayed professionally. I look at it as another maintenance item.
I agree, Ford should do a better job of coating their cast iron rear differential to prevent surface rust, because some people will care. Most people won’t care Tim; include me in the don’t care group. If I thought the rust could magically spread from the rear diff to the frame, etc, ya sure that would be different.
Rust under Ford’s is SOP. My last new one, 2017 SD(and all the ones I owned before that one), was absolutely covered in surface rust at zero miles. My new RAM (delivered 3/2021), not a single spot of rust.
What should be included in the absurd new truck pricing are the rear wheel well liners that Toyota includes as standard. All the others seem to charge $200 or so for the option, yet no dealer seems to order it for their inventory trucks. If you look at the way the rear metal inside of the wheel wells is exposed to everything being slung up from the tires, it becomes obvious why the bedsides rust out so quickly on trucks that are nowhere near being used up. I haven't noticed it on Ford's Aluminum trucks but for sure Ram and GM stuff is still affected and Fords of old as well.
I believe RAM does a paint or coating to their undercarriage and usually looks much cleaner than the other brands. Should be an industry standard.. GM's wax coating is trash.
My 1999 F150 OR’s rear diff cover rusted enough until a hole appeared and leaked fluid. When I went to replace the cover with a new one I found out it’s nothing more than cheap sheet metal.
I hate the " as much as these trucks cost nowadays, they should (or shouldn't) be..." Do you expect more from your 20oz bottle of Mountain Dew now that they are over $2.25? They used to be $1.
Having lived all my life in the rust belt of Michigan, I laugh at people who even care that the bottom of their vehicle looks clean. Drive during the slushy winter months just once and your vehicle will look disgusting. I DO, however, worry about structural integrity. If the important parts stay structurally sound, I'm good with it however they look. The manufacturers have gotten much better with rust control over the years. I drive an 08 Pilot and my wife drives an 09 Venza and they are both in remarkably good structural condition after 15+ Michigan winters. Are the bottom of the cars dirty and a little rusty? Youbetcha! Are they still structurally sound? Yup.
Good stuff here. Thanks for spelunking underneath to get your message and images across. My take is, when consumers care more about having 35 USB ports, a 12" dash mounted touch screen tablet, banana car play, deaf spot monitoring, heated mirrors and lane sleeping assist than they do about a engine, chassis and transmission that will last 150k miles...this is what you get. All the comforts convenience and assistance to focus on your gadgets, phone and distractions instead of just driving, have severely compromised basic build quality. Back in my day, birthday cake icing was made of lard and flavored with asbestos. Ahhhh, the good ole days.
It's on the diff. They rust within a year anyway. They last forever. What you failed to mention when you point out these things is it doesn't affect the vehicle at all throughout its life. If it was anywhere on the body, I'd be worried about it.
Not going to rust thru axles but other manufacturers coat axles, suspension. Ford is cutting corners everywhere. Where are the rear wheel well liners ford?
I offroad my truck, and fast at that. So a coating is going to come off in .5 seconds. Its gonna get surface rust no matter what. This surface rust doesn't bother me at all.
I don't like spraying fluid film on the rear diff housing as it can mask any sign of a pinion seal leak. It should be painted from the factory. This has been an issue with Ford F-150's for at least a decade now. I'm surprised they haven't just relented and rattle canned them. It's a frequent complaint from new owners.
it's indicative of the companies philosophy - commitment to excellence, something as basic as preventing rust underneath the vehicle. And you wonder why within one year Ford has had 30 recalls
North American made vehicles have been coming out of the factory with surface rust on the drive line components for over 100 ears. The rust you are showing actually forms on cast iron as a protective layer so rust doesn't go any deeper. Now frames and body panels are a hole different story as they are thinner. Yes it looks bad.
Every ford rusts so easy, my Focus RS with 42,000 miles has rust underneath and the quarter fender is starting to rust too. My bmw x5 2015 70,000 miles, zero rust. Every ford I see here in Michigan is rusted after the first winter
I am certain that the engineers have designed the frame to rust out within about 12 to 15 years to ensure that you buy a new one. If it were $150,000 you still would have to buy a new one in 15 years... Unless you crawl under there and take care of that rust yourself every 2 years
How can surface rust not be a problem? Doesn't surface rust continue until it rusts all the way through? Then you have a hole and complete part failure?
@RossMalagarie some steels rust through rapidly. Others will have surface rust for decades without ever actually rusting through. Toyota frames for decades would rust through aggressively. Like Tacoma trucks with engines mounts rust so severely they break off after 5 years. Others will have surface rust that progresses so slowly it could take years to perforate the metal
@@hochhaul ok thanks for the info. I just figured if its rusting then all it takes is time and its rusting all the way through, some factors like humidity, salt, chemicals can speed the process but if its rusting its all just a matter of time before the metal is gone.
@@RossMalagarie road salt can make a difference. But I've never seen a diff housing rust through. If it was frame rust or a stamped steel diff cover with heavy rust, that would be more concerning. Maybe some of the guys in the northeast have seen worse. I'm just a guy in the rust belt.
You won't find rust on a RIVIAN after two winters up here in the salt belt. You get what you pay for from Rivian. Standard pickups will rot out here in under 10 years if not oil treated annually. I own a F350 alumaduty, Titan XD and Silverado HD and all have rust...... Not my Rivian.
So odd that Ford cares enough about body rust to switch to aluminum panels but not coat the undercarriage. And then Ram saying "customer satisfaction" yet their rear fenders rust very quickly because they build them with open seams. Personally, I'd rather have the body go longer without any rust than surface rust on diffs that will never "rot" through.
It’s good for you so you can make a sensational video and make money…. That aside all trucks should come with a decent undercoating for the price you pay.
There shouldn’t be rust and I’ll tell you why. If they build it and leave the rust there it tells you lots about the manufacturer and that they are willing to cut corners, what else are they willing to cheap out on.
Tim is back to crawling under trucks.😂 . Yes it would be nice if they painted the housing. Bottom line is that is doesn't matter. It will never cause a problem. Spend more time crawling under Toyota oil pans listening for main bearing failing. BTW, Toyota has changed the part number for the main bearings. Like I said many times, it was never a debris issue. Must have been a clearance issue.
in 2024 if I buy a new truck all components that are exposed under the truck SHOULD BE FACTORY coated to prevent rust. When $30K is the starting price of a midsized work truck yeah no rust all coated parts, thats what i'm paying for.
Have a 2021 PB Limited. Just dropped a poo-load of money to have the axle, frame, cross members and lower control arms undercoated. Just surface rust, fairly minor and easily removed. It isn’t cheap to get it undercoated properly non OEM, ie, labor intensive. Coming from Toyota this last 38 or so years, it’s a piss poor deal that Ford doesn’t do this at the factory. It’s substandard compared to their competitors and reflects poorly on them…details matter!
I mean to be fair Toyota did have actual issues with corrosion underneath their trucks, to the point many thousands were recalled to have their frames replaced. At least this is not that and is just some surface stuff that is aesthetically displeasing.
@@ALMX5DP Yes, I am aware of that issue as I owned one of those trucks. Dana stamped the frames for Toyota, then didn’t get enough coating inside the boxed frame or outside the boxed frame part and in the Midwest they rusted out terribly with the corrosive agents used on the roads and high humidity.
There is a youtube video on the rust on a ford after 9 years, there is very little rust on the metal, none on the body, maybe go watch that Tim, you would be better informed than being nitpicky about nothing ! And that ford was in the salt belt, chevy and ram are rusted out in that length of time
Preception often is reality to a customer. Prices have gone up and precieved quality has gone down. And Manufacturers seems to not get why people perceive them as greedy and careless. They don't even try to manage perceptions anymore. No shame or pride.
This is plain old fashion cheapness by Ford not giving parts a proper protective finish. My Toyota pickup that is 9 years old doesn’t have a rusty rear axle, while a new unsold Ford pickup is rusting out on the dealer lot!
Unless you’re an ant so what. The real issue is in 10 years when the quarter panels are rusting out on steel trucks and the Ford aluminum Visible panels are fine.
See! Those are Fords. You never see rust like that on a Toyota. Or any rust at all, for that matter. And as another matter of fact, every Tundra Toyota ever built is still on the road.
It's just surface rust. Go look at the gm trucks. They are the worst with that e coating. That little bit isn't going to hurt it. Why are you worried about it? You won't have it long enough. Rams are bad, too.
Not too big of a deal in my mind, though I say that as someone who owns a ‘15 F-150 with less evidence of this than most everything I see on RU-vid (and I haven’t done a damn thing to it, maybe they were just built/assembled/coated differently back then).
Meh…who cares. Vehicle undercarriage is just going to take abuse over the life of the vehicle. We keep complaining bout the high costs of vehicles and we keep buying…especially these silly youtuber’s who only keep a vehicle for a year and cheat our tax system lol
Yea a painted coating is definitely in order, especially guys who work on their own vehicle will appreciate not having rust everywhere … Tim is spot on, especially with the price of these things
