Is It Time to Remove Iron Farms? 

Mine... the mine never changes

They need to make mining more interesting if the iron farm is going away. A cave update is appropriate. The cave update can include a miner villager variant that you can employ.

Erik Patrone | Minecraft used to be about survival. Mining was a chore, but it was motivated by need. Nowadays, Minecraft is much more about exploration and construction. You no longer gather resources out of necessity, you do it as a side-effect of exploring and discovering. The Overworld, oceans, the End, and now even the Nether have all grown to reflect this... but the underground remains untouched. They need to make the underground as interesting to explore as the Overworld. Until we actively *want* to go down there without motivation, mining will continue to feel like a chore.

Sarc also did say that only people who play mods want handholding, so I don't particularly think he actually plays the game at all.

More like that you have to do it again for HOURS

Yes!!!

But the game's actual core is for players to play the game however they wanted... Silly Sarc

1.17 most likely, 1.16 has so many meta game features and coding quirks that make a lot of sense for a cave update because of its unfit implementation in the nether

Zhander Drake it honestly would feel more gratifying to build a fleet of mining carts to get iron than building an AFK farm. But as it stands minecarts and TNT cause a lot of lag. TNT is much less since 1.15 but they're still both very unoptimized features. Most servers I've been on don't allow any minecarts to be used. Another problem with the minecart automation method is chunk loading. Sure a minecart could go off and place rails/TNT but when you send a cart off into an unloaded chunk or recall a cart from an unloaded chunk you're gonna have issues. So you really couldn't build a control hub, you'd have to walk along with the mining carts to get the effect you want.

Mopman majang:sorry but speak English we can hear you

It IS a sandbox game and people do forget that.

Yup. There is no proper way of playing the game and people shouldn't fight that. If you think you should only get iron from mining, you can just not build a farm. If I want to build a contraption that has a thousand hoppers, and comparators, I should be able to build afk iron, gold, and bartering farms to get absurd levels of materials without spending insane amounts of time doing the brain dead activity of mining where I'm paying more attention to a RU-vid video than the game I'm supposedly playing

@@gamogi7142 he’s not saying your shouldn’t have iron farms, he’s saying there must be better end game solution that fits with the core features of the game as opposed what is basically an exploit

@@eomoran I like adding more options. But I wouldn't remove the previous options. As others have said, each person should be able to play the game the way they prefer. And for those who prefer mining, to add more options on that area, I would absolutely agree. But I think it's unnecessary to remove the iron farms

@@eomoran optimising an intended feature is not an exploit, iron farms were much harder to make in 1.13 and much slower. Mojang made the conscious decision to change the golem spawning mechanics and then simplified them more and more until 1.14.4 where they settled on the current design. Mojang made iron farms OP and easy by intention, it is not an exploit.

Honestly yea, iron is just basic especially for set up for the long game. Need clearing land for a project that can gain wealth? Use iron a cheap and reliable resource. After that and huddled in does mining become bigger in need of diamonds

I completely agree. Iron farms aren't stopping people from mining because you still need to mine. Whether it's because you just started or need diffrent ores. If they are really so concerned about them then just make them harder to build so that it's even more of a late game thing.

and at this point, copper, redstone, and amethyst are all farmable, so mining is really only for things like diamonds and the other stones like deepslate, diorite, granite, etc.

Iron farms are incredibly easy to set up early game. Every survival server I join has the exact same iron farm being used day 1. These are average players using these farms day 1 on a brand new survival server. That's how widespread it is, and how remarkably simple it is to build one of these farms. It is beyond broken. In the grand scheme of it all, I agree that it doesn't affect mining, but it completely ruins progression for early-game players.

I think iron can be useful when it comes down to Villager trading

Same 😂

For me too lol

i got tangos "1 golem every 2 seconds" vid iron-ic i really shouldn't make naf iron puns. . .

Same

Same

And the mental strain of wrangling up villagers.

@@joshuacastillo6003 lol tell me about it, absolute nightmare

Your guys villagers made it to the farms?

@@joshuacastillo6003 put a villager in a boat and connect a lead to it. the easiest way i’ve found

I have a singleplayer hardcore world and it only took me 1 and a half hours to make 1

Yeah, I couldn't believe my ears when he said that. Minecarts are awful. Slow, clunky and worst of all, incredibly buggy.

They should do a Minecart / Railroad update.

Someone actually tried to implement dispenser minecarts as a mod, but stopped because they got too frustrated with how buggy they are.

My super smelter's minecarts stop working half of the time so I have to break into the system and fix it

and they tend to just stop moving when chunks unload which is a problem for a large scale mining operation as described in the video

@Biel the vast majority of players do not utilize any tech, so the game would not die. and even those that do, many would not jump ship because there is no real alternative. and even if they did, minecraft is not very profitable in any case. hopefully the game becomes more oriented towards natural progression and not remaining a cheeseable exploit-fest. the only reason for farms is to build-those farms aren't the end-all solution to acquiring materials to build things in a way that doesn't require grinding.

@Biel i consider my self as a good minecraft player yet i never had consistance iron farm in any of world only 0.5% player will be willing to stop playing

​@@denks7849 RU-vidrs need farms like iron farms to get the resources they need to build things in survival. Look at hermitcraft the suver is run on farms and look what they build every season most players have a mega base. Minecraft needs RU-vidrs to survive, and they can't spend all day mining. Without the RU-vidrs uploading often enough to stay relevant the game will slowly die. Servers like the dreams smo die out pretty quickly due to the lack of sustainability and burn out, while RU-vidrs who constantly keep uploading and making videos are making sure the game stays alive long term.

People are playing even older updates before iron farms existed for the same reason though.

Microsoft doesn't understand the reason people keep trying to find ways to not mine

@@georgeryan8267 the devs even tried making solutions to not mining. Like desert temples, sunken ships, etc.

@@dirtydoigler2116 but those are biome and ocean dependent You can find caves anywhere That's why they need a cave update

@@georgeryan8267 cave update for sure. Just saying even the devs know how bad it is and still won't give it to us.

@@dirtydoigler2116 I think the reason why they won't is because it would change something that has stayed the same for a long time They know people won't like change even if that's what they are asking for

Me, an hillbilly: eeeeeee doggys, that there’s a flower dropper and a way to make me a new axe for chopping down trees

Me, a rimworld player: "automated warcrime"

Me, a boomer: "Rose farm"

Me, a mute: “ “

Me a hyper intellectual: *cat and string farm*

Obviously a tnt update would completely nerf gumpowder necessity or add some other way to get it, in this very update there's people using beds to mine with explosion rather than tnt, after mojang tried to add better mining options to tnt (every item falls instead of some being destroyed)

‘No non exploitive way to farm gunpowder and sand’ how about killing creepers and mining a desert or beach 🙄.

@@tomshrosbree1189 Farm, not gather on mass. Killing creepers is unreliable as there's no guaranteed method of spawning them. You have to mix them in with other mobs, and your just not going to get very much very quickly just cave running. So the only way to get Gunpowder in plentiful amounts enough to realistically get a full scale TNT mine going is by making a Mob Grinder, which is exploitative. And while you can dig out a desert, everybody hates it for how incredibly tedious it is. It's fine if you only need a relatively small amount, but on the thousands you'd need for large scale mining, it's just obnoxiously slow. It's a lot less a problem than Gunpowder, but people are gonna be really grouchy when they're digging out their deserts, ruining the topography, in place of just making an iron farm like before.

@@andermium yes, but that's very much an exploit. Which was my main point. If the devs don't want Iron farms to be so prevalent because it goes so far away from the intended purpose and effect, than shifting the means of getting Iron to a different exploitative farm isn't really addressing the fundamental issue being targeted, while also disrupting the player experience. It'd be a net loss, for both sides.

SSJ22Terris I’ve got no mob grinder in my survival world and I still have stacks of gunpowder, in my opinion it would be a lot more fun to camp outside for a few nights and go looking for creepers, it will take some time but it would be worth it for the sense of achievement you would get (btw I think the tnt idea is bad anyway and it would be better to just do some good old mining and would be more effective) also saying that gathering sand is tedious is a but stupid because if you think like that then mining for diamonds is tedious and so is getting wood, the whole idea of survival is that you need to put the effort in to do what u wanna do so even if something is boring or tedious you need to do it if u want to do the fun stuff, if u cant be bothered to harvest resources then you should just play creative.

removing this kind of stuff, like 1.16 spawn shithole will brake the game for ever... i hope minecraft dies soon than later... they already fucked the game soo many times... i just not want another broken farm again

Vinícius Schadeck what farm did they break?

@@nafficaptainfour4572 iron farm are break all the time, for exemple... spider trap are break a long time ago, all spawners trap, and tons of stuff too... 1.16 with redstone changes and news spawn method in nether will break something? may not, maybe yes, i just tired about redo everythink in my world... i want to build new stuff, not fix the fucking iron farm each update, than fix it and that... no one for god sake will use redstone mechanics in survival without iron farm... is insane that 1 iron block make 1 iron ingot and 5 of those make a fucking hooper, plus need one to pistons... plus redstone is easier, but you need 3 of those to make a repeater ot even 4 to make a comparator and a fucking quartz that is already not renewable and impossible to farm, just grind as a shit, observers and solar sensors are too almost impossible to make because of quartz, it will become renewable in bartering from 1.16, but if they force no way to farm, well, keep almost impossible to go this way... look, i love default minecraft worlds and not cut a tree without replanting in exactly same location or at least keep the place equals in general, i just modify what i need to build and use glass farming from npcs to not obliterate a sand block. i mine just to start my game, stop after it and use all from npcs too... this new mechanics that just can trade twice a day make me slave tons of npcs much more than before... if they remove this refresh limitation i just keep one beuaty house for each profission i need... but i need tons of glass and tons of stuff sooo i make a gian slave house with 10 or 20 of each type... all damage i do to the minecraft world is because i can't automate stuffs in good way, this is true for monster grind, npcs slavery and envrioment damage... i not will stop doing those thinks until they make good ways to do it... sand when i need really sand deserts go down for good, may put a sand golem to drop sand when killed i will try farm it... but no, is just impossible then deserts comes to limbo each one i see... i not a giant player name as channels, but i used more than 10 years on minecraft and at least 4 in my actual map... i already did more damage than i liked to do in a planet, each resource i drop or lose i hate, each not renewable item that gets fired or deleted i hate. and you need be very dumb to not see how mojant keep breaking farms for no reassons... i totally love fixing glitchs like make mobs pass through floor like witch farms used to do... i hate glitchs and never use it if i know that is a glitch, but i never will stop exploring game mechanics to use it more proftable for my porpuse, that is infinity and renewable resources to not damage the world in places i not want to build. Plust i love to had all mobs arround with pacifics walking arround in giant open spaces or cages if is not possible to keep then arround in open spaces, sadly some need bad treatments to keep arround... anyway... they broke tons of farms all the time, even just to piss players and Jeb that is a shit person already say that not like farms and other mojang member think equal... bastards, i miss notch soo much in minecraft team, i keep some info about he, may new games comes from him and may i will play to

AI? You mean that broken AI that needs to be fixed?

@@viniciusschadeck2204 Ladies and gentlemen, we have a professional here. Come on dude, at least learn basic spelling.

@@GrandProtectorDark it was the 1.8 snapshot 14w03. You had to manually hit golems and mobs in general in order to collect any items. After community backlash they changed it. It was over 6 years ago so yeah I just have a good memory

@@davidg.8031 I remember that as if it was yesterday. When I heard about the change I was _not happy_

How did they try to prevent it though? Even if they change the rules based on which Golems spawn, the restone engineers could've just adjusted the farm to suit the new rules.

@@庫倫亞利克 They were gonna make it so golems wouldn't drop iron unless the player hit them, and this was long before mending or sweeping edge were a thing, so it would pretty much completely kill the AFK aspect of iron farms.

@@jacksonpercy8044 I see. Although I figure plenty of players would still be complacent with having to manually hack at them like they do in a Blaze farm.

Badarm I thought mostly the save r thing, but you put it a lot better than I ever could, great comment!!

very interesting, how you spelled "president"

@@dvorak2676 Whoops, autocorrected to the wrong thing.

I think adding a dynamic where deep in the earth, several different mobs can make more ores, infinitely generating events! From volcanoes to earthquakes. I also think that creative, survival, adventure and cheat modes should be separated so none of their mechanics mess with each other. (Except for cheat mode, which allows people to check out worlds and is the base for all servers and modders).

I agree. When you look at it, mining is hardly the main aspect Minecraft is about. I'd argue that building is the main aspect, with bit of combat, exploration, boss fighting and mining.

Then don't play the game titled Minecraft. If its such an issue to Mine in a game about Mining why don't you just spawn in Iron considering you are exploiting the game by building the farm anyways. There is no difference. You still get it for free doing nothing.

@@theisgood0 based

@@theisgood0 how is he exploiting the game

its just using the game mechanics to build something

@@theisgood0 You're hung up on the "Mine" portion of the game title. But the other portion is "craft". So because I don't like mining for Iron, I choose to CRAFT something that streamlines the process. Thats whats great about this game, I can do what I want.

Lmao zombie spawner? I was thinking industrial mob spawner that only spawns zombies/skeletons/creepers, sorts them, and gives zombies to a looting 3 sword. Spawner would be too slow, even with like 3 or 4. Nether portals are also an option here.

If they do that, it'll at least be out of a hostile mob as opposed to a passive mob's only form of defense.

*ilmango's title sound play*

That’s what I do sence u also get food from it

Very low iron loot but the rotten flesh for trading is worth it.

Yea however for the average player it should have more function and that would possibly allow for more uses of it in redstone, all while the average player can understand them and use it

@@vinnyoddo6043 saying it's useless is still a heavy understatement

@@vinnyoddo6043 activator rails, while not the most useful redstone components, are still invaluable. Also comparators are even more useful, and they aren’t hard to understand at all. The only reason people don’t understand them is because it’s sort of expected that comparators don’t make any sense

@@vinnyoddo6043 Also, the reason they aren't adding more features to redstone components is because redstone engineers don't need more features. They learn to use each feature to the fullest. Also, the reason that when you see a complicated redstone contraption you will be confused and say that no average player gonna build that is because redstone engineers know their way around what they are doing, and no average joe would really understand. So they don't plan to make it easier for the average joe because the average joe won't be doing complicated contraptions anytime soon.

@@astikach666 I mean, the create mod's t-flip flop and r/s nor latch blocks would be nice. Just because redstone engineers built circuits out of various inverters and signal strength carriers through brute force trial and error doesn't mean they want to stop the average joe from learning to do the same, or that there isn't more functionality they would enjoy. What Minecraft REALLY needs is a redstone contraption mob. If something IN the game were building things, players could learn along with it. Imagine some adorable-ish monster that is lured by redstone noises or signal carriers that likes to move redstone blocks around in different configurations and make them all power together. Something that, let's say, scares other mobs, so average users would have a reason to want them around, but can be locked out of actual contraption areas by some mechanic, so engineers don't mind them either. Average people don't play with redstone because it's confusing. To become less confused, they have to engage with it. Minecraft needs something to encourage redstone play, much more than it needs to eliminate any farms created with it.

Chill, he has alternatives in mind! And at this point it's more like removing Iron Golem farms but having an alternative instead. Also would like to see how those bigbrains optimalise the new situation.

you are not funny

@@janosd4nuke Issue is its not a viable option though.

@@oreolamp5676 why so pessimistic? Many mods already went around the issue, why can't vanilla updates get to that point? I mean it's unlikely. But they code whatever they want this is not really hardware draining, and if done in a smart way not like the community will go mad.

@@janosd4nuke oh, oh no... if there's anything I know about the minecraft community is that they'll get angry over everything. And honestly I don't see a reason to limit players options just because the game is called MINEcraft

I'm a technical player too along with playing competitively, but I only build most of my stuff in creative mode. I have never completed a survival world. I create a new survival world and already forget about it during the early game. I would like to enter the late game stage in a survival world, but I'm never able to do that. That's why all the automatic farms, Redstone contraptions, and any building projects are in a creative world for me. The only farms I built in survival mode are simple non-automating wheat farms. How do I keep playing a survival world and complete any project, since most of my projects(Not only in Minecraft) are incomplete is anyone knows how? Also, I ironically started liking and playing Minecraft since I was 12 or since Minecraft 1.12.2 update because my mother and everyone else who knew me really wanted me to enjoy Minecraft when I was 6 or something. They encouraged it for like about 1 and a half years or something, but I rejected and despised it back then clearly not knowing what it actually was

also if they remove iron farms what is next? gold farms, they abuse spawning mechanics; villager powered crop farms as they abuse villager mechanics. and then if we remove all of these things the just becomes a bland mush that is more of a grind than skyblock

its 2 years old AND iron farms are still existing

Couldn't agree more to this comment

well said

The thing with automatic farms is that now a days people have farms for literally everything, if you play in the same world long enough it gets to the point where you dont need to work for ANYTHING and it's just boring

@@prior9455 Then don't use them, it's a sandbox

@@BigGooba that's the most basic and lazy response you can make...

@@prior9455 how? it's a sandbox, you're free to fill your world with dick statues if you want but that's up to you. If you personally think the game becomes boring when you farm everything then don't, not difficult is it

@@BigGooba but the thing with vanilla minecraft is after a while that's the only way to play the game, sure you can kill the wither and enderdragon but then what? Am I just supposed to start again and make a new world, the only thing you can do to play in minecraft world some what long term is to stay in one area and farm materials, yeah sure I can make dick statues everywhere but I would need to farm the materials for it. Saying that it's a sandbox isnt a good argument, vanilla minecraft is boring, you cant just say "dOnT mAkE fArmS" because that's clearly the way this game is intended to be played long term.

He meant it metaphorically. How could you miss that? He's saying that the game is about mining/excavating the fun in the game for yourself. Jk...

His ignorance is actually astounding. He fails to realize that the overhaul he’s proposing to rails, tnt and redstone are far more grievous to the core principle of Minecraft than the existence of the iron golem farm.

@@greganderson6371 This. And the only thing I can agree with is his suggestion of directional-biased power rails, but that's it.

If i wanted to MINE AND GRIND id play all the horrible free mmos out there

@@ExzcellionGamma Dispenser minecarts would be a huge change, but one I'd approve of. Not the slot selection stuff, but just dispensers that activate on a signal.

Yea, bedrock just got its iron farm buffed even if its only a bit its an improvement

I had to move to Java when I watched a uTube on how to duplicate and then I felt cheap and dirty. I ruined the fun on one of my Realms and don't want to play it anymore. I wish they would fix it but it's been years and it's still there. Is it that hard to fix a piston glitch?

@@lootboxersidn9158 bit? 10 times faster is not a bit lmao

@@pancake9978 but still not as good as java tho

still far more than enough

And many other mods who enables either infinite mining (like minefactory reloaded`s laser drill, enviromental tech`s void miner (minecraftia equivalent for matter synthesizing without needing to fuse together compounds below iron)) or spawns mobs who drops iron ingots, nuggets, ores or gear (such as lycanite mobs geonachs, tech guns zombie miners, and scaling health due to increased chance of spawning armored mobs like zombies and skeletons).

Just use those ore turtles from quark

@@jonashardenhaug179 I think if there was some sort of quarry in vanilla that would be a good replacement

Matpat:Iron golems we're created by our ancestors so we should not kill them

@@jonashardenhaug179 laughs in Project E

Well even wood can be farmed with a TNT duper

You can simply make an automated TNT wood, cobble, stone, ... DRAGON!! You can't? WELL, you're a noob.

Also the "cave update" part of the comment section

Exactly, I can’t believe how can anyone talk about taking out farms like iron. It’s not just about copying someone’s farm and just getting rescources for literally free. You get free time for huge projects like bases or whatever, you are free to explore instead of slaving in a cave and also, if you want to, you can make your OWN farm just by following rules of spawning/growth from wiki and game mechanics.

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not since 1.14. With the change to village mechanics, its relatively easy to water some villagers into a hole on some beds and water a zombie into a different hole at night (soul sand + kelp make water elevators super easy). It may take time to build the dirt guide, but it doesnt even take iron to make an iron farm and they arent very difficult to build in single or 3 people size. look at some of the "nano iron farm" designs for a less efficient but super easy build that uses a little redstone if you are concerned about space.

It became pretty easy lately

@Karl Håkansson cauldrons arent necessary. Also, building in the air has never really been an issue since pillaring with dirt and crouch moving removes all the problems with that. not sure where the "ready to beat the end dragon" comes from as you only need to make a very fast trip to the nether for soul sand and a little quartz to make it easier/faster. not too hard to coax a zombie into a water elevator with soulsand, especially with a shield. only requires signs, water, soulsand, and a fair bit of dirt to build the temporary structure name tags arent required since you can just throw some of that extra dirt and if the zombie picks it up, it wont despawn (mobs holding items/blocks from the world dont despawn) tips: build a water elevator higher than the iron farm (to about even with the iron golem platform. build the villager+mob structure (being sure to put sides on the zombie area for now) use signs and water to create a forced path that the villagers/zombie will go through. using boats, get the villagers into a position where they can only go into the water elevator, then push once 3 villagers are in the villager area, remove the temp structure that leads them there. do the same with the zombie once the zombie is in place, fill the hole and remove the rest of the temp structure and finish the fencing for the golem platform. remove the blocks on the sides of the zombie so the villagers can see them shields are your friend for pushing zombies/villagers as needed.

Karl Håkansson I recently made an iron farm producing nearly 4,000 iron and hour on my 5th day of a Minecraft world (I made a villager breeder the day before and afk’d over night so I could make it the next day). I promise you it’s not hard at all early game.

Not really, it’s the villager gathering

CriSis SpyroJabber at it’s core Minecraft is a survival. Poorly done but it is in fact a survival. I think what sarc means is that iron farms take away that fundamental aspect. I play bedrock so none of this matters to me, but I dont sigh when it’s time to mine. It’s fun and part the the survival game.

@@eamongerber8253 it's not about survival. It's about whatever you want it to be about. That's what's cool about mc

As a person who primarily plays skyblock and skyblock like maps, totally agree. For me the game is all about making complex farms often using exploits like the iron farm. Never got into mining tbh. For others obviously is different but the many weird little game mechanics/exploits and coming up with contraptions using them is why I have been playing the game for nearly 10 years lol.

Eamon Gerber creative mode and multiplayer: *hello?*

Yes, but it’s not your game. It’s up to Mojang to fix what they want to fix. If it gets fixed, oh well. It was a bug.

Same for me

It is, but there should be lots of things to make that aren't iron farms.

He got destroyed by the communit

@@rbda8921 for obvious reasons

And if they do manage to fully remove it or nerf it too much they will awaken the sleeping giant that is the redstone community which will cause series backlash

Ilmango would make a new design in literary 24 hours and it would be super efficient

Li3 God bless that beautiful and smart German. So many creations that’ll greatly improve any world.

the sad part is, zombies can actually drop iron ingots lol

No kidding... I actually just made a mod to keep pigmen!

or any automation, almost all redstone things in survival are auto farms.

You can make an op iron farm without any redstone

I don't agree with him either but tbf, he never suggested removing iron farms without an alternative source of bulk iron being added.

@Jupiter Foxx I meant that iron farms dont require the use of that much redstone to make. Removing iron farms wouldnt make words "redstone-less", as there wouldnt be any redstone builds to begin with (if you only built anniron farm as a casual player)

@Jupiter Foxx if thats what he meant, thats true as well

Because it's about spirit doesn't matter if you get more from a built-in feature than a bug it's better to make the feature because the integrity of your game is kept and art isn't changed naturally

@@kringle7804 What is the spirit? The Holy Spirit? What do you mean by integrity? Is Minecraft lacking integrity? What do you even call art? Why should it or should it not be "changed naturally"? Your comment is nonsense in my language. Please explain.

@@kringle7804 Nothing about iron farms is a bug, it's simply making creative use of intended mechanics. Zombies scaring villagers is an intended mechanic, villagers spawning golums when scared is an intended mechanic, water pushing mobs is an intended mechanic and lava killing mobs is an intended mechanic. An iron farm is simply putting all these different mechanics together to create a renewable source of iron.

I have other farms that produce iron

True

Mango is not an iron farmer

@@dioswilson3153 on sky block he is

@@dareokoski8158 didn't he make a farm for 1 version that no longer works? Also, maybe you could call him an iron farmer with only 1 farm, although i am not confortable calling a 1.14+ iron farmer an iron farmer

Ore doubles are great, you still have to mine, but get a lot more iron

I have a love/hate relationship with ore doubling mods On the one hand, having plenty of iron is great, and not having any such mods these days has me realize how quickly I tend to burn through iron. Like, imagine going to strip-mine not for potential diamonds, but for iron _On the other hand,_ I really don't like how easy most ore doublers make doubling ores. Such a thing should really be a late-game deal, and as such I feel like the recipies in most ore doublers should have diamonds and quartz or something Maybe not End stone tho, let's not go _that_ far

@@WhimsicottFanatic I don't know. An end stone furnace makes sense to me? It only takes some days to get to the end anyway

Perhaps to balance it out some more it would take longer and more fuel

@@WhimsicottFanatic YOU NOT PLAYING MODDED IF YOU THINK THAT ORE DOUBLELING SHOULD BE LATE GAME!

Yes! Servers without farms will eventually run out of resources.

Idea to change iron golem farms: make java iron golem spawning similar or the same as bedrock iron golem spawning. This works because in bedrock edition, you can get great rates from iron farms, but unlike java, high efficiency iron farms also come with high cost, resources, and time, but you still can have small-scale iron farms with rates which are much lower, but not extremely low, like the early days where java iron farms gave maybe a stack per hour. I feel like this would bring a balance into the game, because to get good rates, you would need to put in a lot of effort, but you still could farm iron in smaller scales more easily and more early in the game.

@@What-Kind-Of-Idiot-Is-This And also loading new chunks is bad

This basically. Iron farms keep servers from completely shitting the bed. Quite literally iron is a needed resource, and mining a ton of iron would kill the gameplay. No one wants to constantly have to mine 8000 chunks just to get enough iron, in a multilayer server with everyone mining in a very limited server. It just doesn’t work. Server operators just bypass this entirely by making iron golem spawners, which would negate the entire prospect of getting rid of iron farms. People will simply break the game and allow for cartable spawners to allow for golems to spawn. So, making a iron golem farm, just more intense and more iron and more cheating literally to allow for players to have more iron. Iron is needed. You can’t build up a entire community on iron and then remove it. Pretty much everything he said would be negated. Servers disallow TNT or block destruction by TNT, disallows certain farms or has a limited area. Basically; iron farms allow for non block destruction or mining to allow for resources to be gathered without destroying the world. If you limit golem farms, you’ll force literally hundreds of players in a server to then rush to destroy the over world to get iron. It would be detrimental. Some evils are required. Iron golem farms are *required* to sustain the current game play without really destroying the Meta

@@aandyherr817 agreed

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I think the game is called MINEcraft

31 337 the game is about doing whatever you want.

@@QweRinatrtY but when you are always mining there will be no CRAFT

@@QweRinatrtY If you feel that way they by all means, go mine. Nobody is forcing you to do anything else. There's no need to take away automation from those who enjoy it.

31 337 Mojang spent months perfecting iron farms in the 1.14.x updates. They changed their design completely, creating a whole new, Much Simpler, Much Easier way to farm iron, using new mechanics (villagers becoming scared = summon golem). The changes to iron farms to make them more user friendly was a major part of the Village and Pillage update. It’s almost like Mojang wants to make iron farms available to as many people as possible. Imagine that, choices, in a sandbox game.

Christopher Corriveau 😂

@@noobloid Sarcasm is such a lonely word.

@Addde Well, I know its hard to understand sarcasm through text sometimes.

@Addde i can't believe that someone actually apologized in the internet

@@caltonianorange9823 yes, but people play for different reasons, which is what could be said about a lot of the people's comments on here. If you like building rollercoasters in survival and having that difficulty with the fact that you need to spend 99.9999% of your time going and getting more and more iron instead of figuring out a way to get it while still having a difficult part to it that you can look at and be like, yeah, I made that and it's awesome, it gives me this ore that I need that cut down this project by a few years. People once they get older don't have as much time to sit down and play a game sadly (not that school doesn't take a lot of your time, it sure as fuck does coming from a college student) but if you don't want to be just mining forever in the game, staying underground and giving you an eye ache every hour while not even getting back what you need for the effort you put into it eventually, it's pointless to play it. Most players who want to make cool contraptions don't want to just grind out everything like that uselessly, at that point, why have farms that give you wheat? Or why bother raising cattle if you can just do what the game designed and go out and hunt it? It's not right and not a part of the game! Pssshhht. It's essentially the same argument as many in this comment section is making and I'm just sitting here like, okay, then play an earlier version, or find someone who made a mod to take out iron golems altogether! It's not like you can't just play the sandbox game the way YOU want to play it as an individual and let the other players play it how they want to, no, impossible! Not everyone approaches the game, or enjoys the different and many faceted sides of it the same way that you do. I know personally that I can only go down into a mine or cave system for about an hour before getting sick and tired of it and never wanting to do it again, I play the game to have fun, and I don't find that facet of the game fun. Which is also why the minecraft designers got backlash at the removal of spam clicking the sword and then later not being able to block with it, it was a part of the game that made it easier, and thus more enjoyable for a good deal of it's players, and I don't see removing iron golem farms as a priority in the whole scheme of things, in that case, get rid of villagers all together, as well as chests in different places full of loot, it's pointless in having a part of the game where you can get resources that you should grind for and struggle for, since it's whole player base MUST be masochistic for even PLAYING a game where the main object is staring at two blocks for hours and hours or wasting resources and time finding resources in other ways. Thank you for reading my opinion on the matter. We don't have to agree, it's a sandbox game, so what the game means for you could be completely different from what it means to me, and that's great! It's what's made it one of the best selling games ever! Have a great day!

One time i use the iron golems for hard hitting meat shield Heyyyy they're pretty good at hard hitting and can use as a meat shield

I used them to kill the wither. Went underground spawned 5 golems and had a dispenser on each wall that shot instant healing potions

Mojang is misguided at best, they don't listen to us anymore

@@dampintellect thats amazing my dude

It’s still a design issue, it might be antithetical to the game’s intended design to allow you to have an low effort alternative of getting iron that allows you to skip mining at iron level entirely, especially with the relatively recent changes to mining that encourage you to mine on multiple Y levels, explore caves and look out for the large iron veins. It upsets the balance of the game intended, even when played single player.

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@@jaksida300 except the amount of iron in crafting recipes is absurd. iron is closer to stone for me than actual valuables because of it's uses in crafting certain items e.g hoppers, pistons, rails, anvils, etc. if you want to build a fairly large storage system with automatic sorting good luck mining all the iron needed for it. the thing about mining is it doesn't progress after getting fortune 3. you already plateaued so early on in the game. destroying your whole world just to scavenge some iron. valuables are the only thing that shouldn't be farmed and iron doesn't really feel like a valuable. ik zombies occasionally drops iron, but it isn't reliable in the slightest. there's no trade deals for iron as well. an iron farm is super important especially if you are a player who loves building big projects.

@Arnav Tibrewala you and I share names

i would sugest Mojang to not get rid of the iron farm. just make it slower. by making Golems drop 3 - 5 Iron Nuggets. its still much more faster and efficient then Minig and smelting but still nerfs the Iron farms enough to not be completely broken.

Cherry Dragon imagine if they did that on bedrock. You get like 40 iron an hour and you want to divide it by about 10 times so like 4 iron an hour lol.

Arnav Tibrewala Hey buddy, just wanna say that *YOU’RE WRONG*

@@cherrydragon3120 haha no thanks

I think the reason most don't do it is not because of having more iron but from having more materials that are the same or better

Ok boomer

Not entirely true... Even with all the mod improvement, some mod still require an insane amount of iron (ic2 etc). I still need an iron farm in a modded server to keep up with our consumption

Modpacks do a good job at this because they did what Mojang didn't do. Balanced the iron economy. As Sarc so rightly said, the crafting side of the game has expanded to require much more iron than it previously did, increasing the demand for iron, but the mining side of the game hasn't compensated for this increased demand by increasing the supply. We have a supply shortage. The solution I'd like to see is overhauling the whole geology of the game to be much more realistic. Caves generate where streams through soft rock such as chalk and limestone are likely, ores generate in larger clumps more spread out (think Civilization or Factorio) such that you can find a location in which you can build an actual iron mine, either by tunnelling in the area or just digging an open-pit mine. (Quarries are for stone, pit mines are for ores) That way, gathering enough iron is just a case of exploring the surface on the lookout for clues as to the ores down below. When you find an area rich in iron, you can set up a mine and have a practically permanent supply. To compensate for the rest of the world being largely barren, with coal spawning at a specific layer and more richly under more forested biomes (less under biomes without trees), iron spawning in large clumps spread far apart from each other, and gold being generally rarer outside of mesas, they need new rock types and things to use those rocks for other than just building. They also need more interesting things to find underground. Realistic caves with twists and turns, underwater sections, active streams through caves and perhaps even new mobs or items that can only be found in caves, rather than just underground anywhere. (Speleotherms? Calcite for concrete? Fish that charge at you to explode and leave behind a pile of sulfur in their symbiotic plant pod?) These would make caves interesting and worth exploring. The vast majority of the world aside from caves would be solid rock, which is extremely nice for building projects as there are no more sounds of monsters or ambient cave noises below.

I really like the idea of getting 2 ingots per ore in a blast furnace.

Depends. I would much rather spend 2 hours mining than 2 hours building a machine

@@ephraimboateng5239 You can do a iron farm in only 30 minutes, and you have iron forever

@@ephraimboateng5239 YOU would do that, it's a sandbox game bro. Let people do whatever they want

Idea to change iron golem farms: make java iron golem spawning similar or the same as bedrock iron golem spawning. This works because in bedrock edition, you can get great rates from iron farms, but unlike java, high efficiency iron farms also come with high cost, resources, and time, but you still can have small-scale iron farms with rates which are much lower, but not extremely low, like the early days where java iron farms gave maybe a stack per hour. I feel like this would bring a balance into the game, because to get good rates, you would need to put in a lot of effort, but you still could farm iron in smaller scales more easily and more early in the game.

@@sohailaji4660 It really depends, like the technical community uses a LOT but like a LOT of iron. The crazy contraptions can come from only 1000-2000 iron all the way up to 100k if you want to decorate it. Scicraft produces more iron per hour than humanity in a year

@T.J. Brueggemann You took the words right out of my mouth. I totaly agree with you. It's part of the game mechanic now.

@Coder2554 I can agree if you rely and use a bug/exploit as a cane don't be shocked when the cane breaks.

You do know that it's a exploit that you and others rely on right? it can and due to the fact that it's a glitch It should be gone. It's like I gave my self all the eyes of ender and /kill the ender dragon and using /enchantment to get protection IIII armor. I just exploited to get there I didn't do anything to earn those things and the same with redstone I think you need to have collected the things for it for it to have any form of meaning.

@@Nikolai-McGuire ah yes because setting up complicated redstone machines is just as easy as typing a command

@@egon3705 Yep pretty much.

They read the comment section

@@clauday6467 Or saw ilmango's video.

they didnt, only thing was changed is they dont need to work every so often to spawn a golem, its really similar to before. right?

@@levkr_ smol brain

@@konomiyu wat

Indeed

There should be boimes that have more abundance of ores, but the underground is way more dangerous which would add proggression. Also they need to add more uses for having an abundance of ores so there would be a point to it all.

@@swordierre9341 yup but the underground as it is is waaay too small for the quality implementation of that variety. Cave update with cubic chunks so unlimited build hight and mine depth!

Actually, Ilmango does state that a massive tunnel bore is the best way to find Diamonds, so in effect, even the pro's of pro's still go mining, just with much more tech.

*facepalm*

now this is big brain time

Irvin golem farms require iron too. I don’t see what point your making here.

@@nopenope9366 they require far less iron than the rails required to traverse caves

@@nopenope9366 fam once u have built an iron farm u dont need more iron to keep farming iron :/

especially since the only endgame-viable weapon that needs iron is the crossbow, which you probably just make/get from a pillager in the early game and slap mending on

Nah he just want a game where he can only mine and craft placing blocks and being creative isn’t really a him think it would appear.

“This game is about excavating” yeah no not really lmao

The iron is useful as you'd have to be mining for literal hours for little contraptions and It would be really annoying for that and the game would be VERY boring

I 100% agree!!!!!!!

"Mining is prob the most boring part of the game" hence why it should be improved!

Capras12 yes. There are people just in it for the redstone components.

I agree. I would introduce a block that randomly spawns ore in exchange for ender pearls(which can be fed using a hopper). You still have to mine the ore, so it’s semi, but more efficient than iron golem farms and less laggier.

Also one can't make a giant quarry to mine for iron if you don't have enough iron to craft all the pistons.

*AUTOCRAFT MACHINEEEEEEEEEEEE* *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*

@@the11382 if a machine like that appeared you could easily automate it, take the block, feed it through a piston feedtape, take it to an explosion chamber, blow up the blocks (TNT doesn't destroy items if they're in block form), collect the blocks/resources sort out non-smeltable blocks and send to storage, smelt the smeltable blocks and then store them. Sure it would require some work but it would be able to be automated fairly easily in concept since all of these machines already exsists.

This is true. Making an iron farm isn't a requirement, it's a choice. I'm a bedrock player that used to only mine for resources. Then I built an iron farm once and understood the hype. Ever since then, I've been using iron farms. Sure, they aren't as great as Java Iron Farms, but they still get the job done. Do I force other people to build iron farms when I'm playing with them? No. If they want to take the mining route, power to them for having the patience to do it. Sure, some bugs are abused and exploited, but you can't say that when what you're advocating against a feature that abides by the game's rules. It's simple. You make create the space that meets all spawn conditions, mob spawns, gets killed, you get resource.

There is no strict right or wrong with this. We have to find the solution that is the most fun for the majority of players. You can make the exact same argument in favour of removing iron farms: You don’t have to have iron farms... if you want to get iron just mine, if you want to spent only 10 minutes to build a hopper storage system you can use duplication or go into creative, why limit yourself.

It was created by PLAYERS to loot a mob drop though, i'd argue. Mojang didn't really ever want this. The gold farm is fine - gold can be useful but requires ALOT to have the piglin trading and all to work. Redstone farms are fine, they give a resource that is fairly specialised and you may need a decent amount of. But the *argument* is that iron farms give you ridiculous amounts of a resource that is, also, used in a massive amount of recipes.

@@Currywurst-zo8oo because that's cheating and clearly different

Idea to change iron golem farms: make java iron golem spawning similar or the same as bedrock iron golem spawning. This works because in bedrock edition, you can get great rates from iron farms, but unlike java, high efficiency iron farms also come with high cost, resources, and time, but you still can have small-scale iron farms with rates which are much lower, but not extremely low, like the early days where java iron farms gave maybe a stack per hour. I feel like this would bring a balance into the game, because to get good rates, you would need to put in a lot of effort, but you still could farm iron in smaller scales more easily and more early in the game.

I firmly agree with you

Ranko Mahou yeah. Ironically I find this attitude to be the more toxic one. Like, seriously? “Players asking the Devs to change something and the Devs agreeing to the rollback” is toxic? He really has been coming off as a stuck-up idiot in some of his videos lately.

@@ThaatEpicKitten IT'S A JOKE

Dude, you've gotta learn what a joke is.

It's not a joke. He says it completely unsarcastically and it's a common argument used by the "holier than thou" type of people online. 3:45 go listen to what hes saying and tell me if you think it's a joking tone. Spoiler: It's not a joke, and he thinks people asking the devs for features is toxic.

W b40t haha funny joke 😂 good one wow that made my day

"because it wasn't intuitive" spam clicking vs needing to wait before hitting... Let's ask what all other games think of that... Yeah no, spam clicking isn't intuitive, and having attack cool downs is something very much normal

The old combat system was really unfair though. You have a better mouse than your opponent - you win. You install hacks because you want to feel better - you win. You use any autoclickers - you win. Yes, spam clicking was more dynamic, but it wasn't good for any kinds of strategies and didn't test your timings. 1.9 pvp is not the best option (mainly because you deal too little damage) but is sure better than what we had.

The way the system was before we had cool downs was inefficient. Spam clicking degrades your weapon faster, and if you're hitting someone over and over, while they're in the red already taking damage, they're not going to take even more damage until they're no longer red. At the same time, your sword is losing durability without it doing damage. The way it is now, it forces you to wait until what you're hitting isn't red anymore, allowing you to deal damage consistently without wasting durability.

Ohh, you don't wanna go there with the old combat. People were used to it and is faster pace but genuinely the stupidest combat "system" I've ever seen in a game, obviously a placeholder. Kinda surprised it survived as long as it did. And on iron farms not the grindyness is the trouble, but it bring based on an exploit of a game mechanic intended for totally different purpose. Let's get iron farms on a separate mechanic that is more controlled so won't result in skewerd economies on tech oriented servers. Also not forcing players to turn villages into concentration camps for their unholy rituals is kind of a good message.

I agree for the most part, but I disagree on the combat update side. Maybe it's because I never really liked PvP, but I loved 1.9. It provided a challenge while fighting mobs and made you think how you approach the attack before acting instead of running at a mob and spamclicking. The point I'm trying to make is that 1.9 isn't universally hated, there are people who liked it and there are those who did not, like with everything in the world.

Neat this needs more likes

i like that dwarf idea epsecially. in fact just the idea of other races is kinda great and im suprised ive not heard of it before.

pepsi Atlas I think the reason is that the underground had a lot of changes years ago when mineshafts, dungeons, strongholds, and silverfish became a thing, so most people just kind of assumed that it was done. But considering the nether is working on an update with a more neutral version of pigmen coming, and the recent Bee mob, I’d say that Minecraft’s future updates are going to focus on filling up a lot of the emptier spaces in the world with actual life and ai. While I’m just spitballing ideas, it’s clear that they are looking to overhaul a lot about the world to make playing a normal game even more of an complex experience than before. That said, dwarves might not be an idea on their radar right now, but I’d like to think exploring underground should be for more than getting iron and diamonds because that makes the underground itself kind of a shallow experience of a need to do it rather than a want to do it. An open ended game should all be about wanting to explore for your own sake, not for a resource. The resource comes as a reward for the journey, a thing you find along the way.

I like the idea of dwarves. (As it happens, I'm actually making a dwarf-ish base in my current survival world.) We definitely need to be able to have more 'side quests' in the game and more mechanics we can interact with. Another system which I'd like to see implemented which could fix some issues for the more casual player, are quest villagers/entities (nitwits?). They could for example give you half a stack of iron if you managed to retrieve a lost item of theirs from a guarded fort or something along those lines. It would give players a goal to work towards with an actually usefull reward in the end.

Why did u write this

Yeah precisely, rather than fix/remove the exploit they should just make a way to mine which provides you with adequate Iron so you can decide to go with the method that makes thematic sense.

did you watch the video

Lol, did you even watch the video? 4:43

Exactly.

he fucking said about these types of mechanics in the video, and quite a portion of the video was trying to convince people this wasn't a good mechanic

Here is a 67-year-old man who had played every video game since Pong. I have played them all from Doom to Halo and personally killed everything in the Universe. Twice. :) I came to MC to get away from killing and going all Nazi on some innocent Mobs leaves a bad feeling in my soul. There could be another way to get resources that wouldn't involve killing, No?

You play java, if so you will never know what it's like in bedrock, imagine almostevery farm gone or severely nerfed. Java iron farms have 12000 iron per hour and they are tiny, we have 60 iron per hour IF WE ARE VERY LUCKY (it is not consistent, oh no no no.) and they are HUGE. (And that's JUST iron farms)

David Graham like MINING.

@Lane Cook i feel like its balanced by the fact you can mine from 5 minutes into the game, but you have to spend more time than that getting an iron farm going, so it feels much more like a late game alternative

Mom

no yes! Getting them removed would ruin servers such as scicraft or Hermitcraft that almost depend on them to build their farms!

Yeah. I once had to mine like 15 stacks of iron just for the hoppers for one half of the storage system. Was on bedrock with a friend and the only iron farms there were were unreliable and only produced like 30 iron per hour. It was a pain and i never finished the project.

But if I know other people can do it, I'll FEEL bad! That's simply unacceptable :3

UnlikePaladin98 Indeed!!! 🥳

Zombies dropping iron is so rare there would be no way people would be making zombie farms like they do iron farms now

@@mikoajkoek3145 we shall see, using entity cramming and mass amount of zombies or grouping them into one spot and killing them with a mending looting3 sword would guarantee iron drop, life always finds a way.

​@@mikoajkoek3145 Then, if you need other resources, what do you do? Gold? Pigzombies/Piglins. Quarts? Use the gold from the pigzombies to trade with piglins, Redstone? Witches. Wool? Spider trap. Other than diamonds, every single resource in minecraft can be automated some way or another. Gold -> Pigzombies Redstone -> Witches Sugar Cane/Sugar/Paper -> sugar farms Iron -> Iron golem/Zombie spawner Fuel -> Blaze/Nether (Lava)/ Wood Farm/ Bamboo farm EnderPearls -> Ender Farm. Arrows -> Skeletons Food -> Chicken Automatic cook farm Potions -> Blaze farms for fuel Enchanted Books -> Villager farms (Get respective villager, find good one, bingo) Emeralds -> Villager Farms If they want to remove automation from the game, they are gonna need to remove every single mob drop existing out there...

Or making sarc's idea of how iron generates and the iron farm co-exist? Although may sound like a not so good idea too

Id be fine with a rare zombie iron drop. Just not this overabundance of iron that iron farms currently make. I think we should make mining more engaging and fun so getting ores doesn't feel like a hassle.

Linking minecarts has been in the game for a long time. Put a bunch of chest carts behind a furnace cart, and they link

@@comet.x But it's unreliable. The carts will constantly unlink if they so much as go around a corner. What we need is to link them with a chain or something similar to leads to ensure that they will stick together.

@@danielrobles4072 yeah

Even so, they are not even a necessity if you have shulker boxes, so i don't get all the fuss about minecarts, and honestly i don't think you have a real demand on iron until you have successfully gone to an end city and start thinking about big projects.

@@comet.x yeah but that was a glitch , and furnace carts dont exist in certain editions of the game

what's the difference between me duping iron and using an iron farm?

@@Nikolai-McGuire Its a fucking sandbox game you do what you want, Also an iron farm is hard to make and require villagers you also need to be near it to be working

@@Nikolai-McGuire its singleplayer sandbox. If you want to dupe, no ones stopping you. Just prepare for a ban on a server

​@@SquobBob I don't dup, cause I want my builds to mean something. if you want to have a build with iron that means nothing go ahead. but don't say iron farms are a mechanic cause they are not. they are bugs that mojang tries to get rid of.

@@Nikolai-McGuire if mojang want to get rid of them. Then why are they still in the game after soo long? Because it is a natural progression. In my opion being able to endlessly produce a finite material is a necessary step of a sandbox game, if you want more freedom.

The main problem is setting up super complex iron farms isn't very user friendly. A problem minecraft faces a lot. They don't have to remove iron farms but more alternatives for the average joe to obtain iron maybe with less autonomy would be nice. The cart idea is flawed without a lot of thinking but it doesn't mean there aren't other ideas that could still automate mining, on a block basis or on a "generating Iron" basis. At the very least biomes that have better iron yield and other ore yields and potentially the megavein idea from some form of Miner villager would be nice.

@@EmeraldCrowz I think if some sort of alternative was to be made, it wouldn't be something that mines ores underground anymore, like how an iron farm works. At a certain point, you should be able to make your *own* iron already, rather than always mining it. That's 1 of the big things with iron farms, they *change* the way you get iron. On the other side, mining machines or anything else that keeps the fact that it uses iron from underground is flawed in at least 2 ways: 1. The fate of the machine is always at the hands of your world-gen, which can cause it to be inconsistent in efficiency. An iron farm makes iron withOUT relying on world-gen 2. Chunk-loading. Because the only part of a Minecraft world that is always loaded is the spawn-chunks, most ideas for automatic mining are rather out of the question

@@Healion123 True. Perhaps some form of Alchemy?

@@EmeraldCrowz Interesting concept, but potentially-difficult method. How specifically would the components be obatined?

@@Healion123 alchemy just kind of popped into my head. I feel like itd be nether themed and have some powering resource Thats renewable like blaze powder. I don't have any proper ideas for it formed out

Do you even play Minecraft?!

It's not "you don't like a change= toxic" it's people who get genuinely angry over an update that they don't need to play on and act like assholes because of it.

Part of the problem with "an update they don't need to play on" is you gotta remember just how much of the playerbase is on Bedrock edition now, where we are forced into whatever the newest update is (which currently sucks, cause at least on Switch, the game is an unstable disaster). So the anger part is honestly understandable, though I'll also say it never justifies being an asshole over it. My thing honestly is just that, I feel like they're past the point where they really can remove these farms without major and semi justified backlash. All these different farms are really seen as features of the game at this point and are actually a draw to the game. Even look at so many of the big popular Minecraft RU-vid things like Hermitcraft, and what a massive amount of the things they do stop being possible if iron farms get removed. Mining in game is fine enough as a player, but it's the most boring thing ever to watch, and now everyone who makes videos on the game now have to spend that much more time doing it, and I don't really see any way to make breaking a lot of things and taking resources back home interesting.

@@CyborgPenguin actually a lot of the anger with changes amounts to forced change without options. Two examples that can be given quickly that have both upset the community as a whole when intoduced. Hunger and the combat update. The hunger addition was not as reviled but it sure did ruffle some feathers. In both cases it would have been pretty acceptable to just add a game rule to use the old rules. In this case people could choose between having to eat whenever hurt and not dealing with the limiting factors of low hunger, or passively regenerating at the cost of hunger. Preferable in my case as I rarely get hurt but have to eat due to it also being tied to stamina. In the case of combat people could opt for the simplistic elegance of the old combat system, or the more nuanced and rewarding feel of the new combat system. In both cases I would personally opt for simplicity since it generally gets in the way of what I'm currently doing. I don't like having to stop to eat every few minutes because I'm sprinting around my builds. And combat for me is a chore and either requires me to stop what I'm doing and deal with an annoyanace, or set the game to peaceful which is also annoying because I will have to turn it back on later. It was better to spam the attack for a moment than hit charge hit like it is now. That's why people get angry. Choice in a sandbox game is being taken from them.

but ppl in 1.8 community are toxic

Except that building an iron farm literally takes 20minutes with stone tools. The hardest part is getting 3 villagers into boats

@@LuluTheCorgi and? Mining isn't much harder, it's just less rewarding

Building automated farms is the main reason I play. I do not like mining and do it very little but I love complicated machines and farms and without those, I would have lost interest in Minecraft after three months rather than playing most days for 5 years.

I like the iron farms but I also like the substitute to iron farms

But eventually all the iron ore will run out

In a infinite world?

They still end around 10 mil blocks

@@immabeabitinactiveonthisac6700 I highly doubt you will need that much iron

good idea dude

​@@ybajoe9773 that ruins the entire point of removing iron farms (Edit: I don't agree with the idea of removing iron farms, but if they were, mining villagers would be the exact same thing but worse)

@@ttty2242 shut up, both ideas "removing iron farms" and "mining villagers" are terrible ideas

It sounds good but you could use it for Griefing and you would have to follow them to load the chunks. Also you would have to dig out the entire world to get enouth iron for enormous quantieis that some players need. I use this design and struggle to supply my server (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vMSiholH_lc.html)

@@DamageMaximo I think it also would not fit into Vanilla. We have to use our creativity to build machines. This sounds like modded Minecraft where one block does everything.

IRON FARM GANG!

> Iron Golem hurts

@@noori2105 loser iron golem

Idea to change iron golem farms: make java iron golem spawning similar or the same as bedrock iron golem spawning. This works because in bedrock edition, you can get great rates from iron farms, but unlike java, high efficiency iron farms also come with high cost, resources, and time, but you still can have small-scale iron farms with rates which are much lower, but not extremely low, like the early days where java iron farms gave maybe a stack per hour. I feel like this would bring a balance into the game, because to get good rates, you would need to put in a lot of effort, but you still could farm iron in smaller scales more easily and more early in the game.

then you shouldnt play this game. Minecraft should have many different playstyles but not exploits and automatic farms like these.

@@s66s46 How would you feel if they removed the ability to mine iron normally and you were forced to farm for it?

@@triangulum8869 that would not be fun but minecraft was made for mining. Minecraft is also made for creativity but not automatic farms.

@@s66s46 There isn't a wrong way to have fun playing a game.

I also absolutely disagree in many other aspects including this one, the most usefull redstone contraption no doubts is the item sep, made using this mechanic

It shows that he really shouldn't be talking about this subject as he's just not well enough informed on it. Side note I love using variable signal strength in contraptions. I recently built a super smelter that uses signal strength from a composter T-flip flop as part of the item distribution system.

not what he meant but ok

@@lillieofthevlly what did he mean then? he said that variable signal strength output isn't well used which is completely false

@@lillieofthevlly what did he mean then? he said that variable signal strength output isn't well used which is completely false

Blame Mojang for a lack of cave update

@@urnix69 hmmmm say that again.

@@flow185 they just announced it, the person wrote it before it was confirmed

@@thebombblows1221 he knows that

@@goosewithagun6341 ye but kid said what they said 3 months ago. No cave update then

Honestly yeah I can see why that's better. Mob farms are so much simpler (easier for noobs!) And abuse way fewer mechanics to the point where they feel almost vanilla, or at least could work in the theory that minecraft is an actual world.. especially compared to golem farms

@@statelyelms how are non-spawner mob farms more legit than iron farms. Creeper farms exploit mob spawns as much if not more than golem farms and give you a much rarer resource in higher numbers. The whole system needs an overhaul, especially villages.

He wants iron farms to be removed so people would mine more. Yet he wants a way to automate mining. Like.......whats the fucking point then?

Haven't touched an iron farm since I downloaded a mod called venture. There's these little out posts that give you a map to a giant ore vein most of the iron ore ones I come across have like 6-8 stacks of iron ore

@@JustADudeDoingSomething The point that your missing is that it wouldn't be a "exploit" but a proper part of the game

@@AgentDoggo47 Never said it was an exploit and never considered it to be an exploit. What i was trying to say it what is the point of removing iron farms if you're just going to automate mining. Plus automating mining comes with much more problems than you think. By that point, its much better to just mine iron manually.

@@JustADudeDoingSomething I know you didn't say it was one but it's still a exploit of the game mechanics to get a near infinite supply of iron. what he suggested was less of a auto miner and more of a auto tunneler to make finding ores faster thought the use of directional explosives.

You hit the nail on the head. I have no idea why people complain about automated farms. If you don't like automated farms, don't build them. This is like saying "I don't like broccoli so you can't eat it".

@@joshuarosen6242 i like that metaphor

Joshua Rosen but on servers when somebody is using an exploit that creates imbalance it can make it unfair to those that don't like them

@@amreytgud4164 It's an intended mechanic now by the developers now, not an exploit. If servers don't agree with that, they can mod their server, not demand it in the base game.

@@amreytgud4164These aren't exploits. Farming is not like duping. Imagine if throughout history humans had adopted this approach. I am sitting by a coal fire in my sitting room. Imagine if I had had to go and mine that coal myself rather than paying someone else to do it. All Minecrafters who like farms are doing is exactly what human beings have always done and that is to make the most of the world as it presents itself to them and exercising their intelligence and ingenuity.

Hello brother

@@goblinreal4058 gonk

@Charles Bork I'll get in that right away

The gonk droids are getting too powerful! We must cut the iron supply so they can't multiply

Where is this meme format's origin? There must be, it's too original

You took all of the words out of my mouth. I have nothing else to say other than I FUCKING agree. He wants iron farms gone just to have an auto miner. Yeah. What's the god damn point of mining then?

Wow you make an essay, how about you take a break by playing pastebin.com/JAM1gEWV *Minecraft vs Zombies 2 (fan game crossover of Minecraft, Plants vs Zombies and Touhou, with minor crossover of Slenderman, Hearthstone and Guitar Hero, minor crossovers are bonus/bosses levels)*

@@zerokibz1946 awesome!

I dont know alot about readstone so what do activator rails actually do

@@wilpoel3677 activators rail is awesome in Modded Minecraft :D

Yea he mentioned those

scicraft

They are super laggy and because of that unrealistic even without thinking about the time and effort to build it. We don’t all do Minecraft for a living

@ took me a bit to realize OP was talking about modded quarries and not ones you can make with buttloads of redstone in vanilla MC

TheOfficialJeb_ y’know that would be ideal, but the reality is it doesn’t take two years to make an iron golem farm it’s really not that hard. If anything I want mojang to make iron golem farms harder to make or perhaps a new way entirely because as it is, it is an exploit to the game.

@@DukeEllision329 i didn't say making a golem farm took 2 years, I said I've been playing in 1 world r 2 years

TheOfficialJeb_ coolio bro

Good point?

Fair

not that i dont like the comment, but iron is actually renewable, zombies have a small chance of dropping an iron ingot.

@@randomnerd4600 No offense, and I agree with your statement, but I am fairly certain OP meant "Renewable in a reasonably fast way."

@@10gamer64 why would i get offended?

@@randomnerd4600 Idk, I am too nice

@@randomnerd4600 welcome to the internet, where people will flip their shit over smallest things possible

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AlexElCapo: *hola*

@@lucastassie8397 yes, but minecraft is essentially a game about creativit, not mining. you play however you want, it's pretty much the ultimate sandbox game, not a "looking at stone for 3 hours" simulator.

@@greenspartanligado YES, THATS WHY HE SUGGESTED TO MAKE MINING MORE INTRESTING

@@michaualtington No. I doubt that any features they present in Cave Update would suffice to the iron rates produced by a farm, unless they substitute a mob that drops iron ingots much like an iron golem does, then we can leave it alone to appease these outcries of "abusing an exploit". And no, zombie iron rates are horrendous.

Lucas Tassie Just because mining is an important mechanic to get you started in the game doesn’t mean it’s what the game revolves around. It’s a sandbox game not a fucking mining simulator. People should play how they want to.

@@lucastassie8397 hurr durr mine is in the name therefore ur wrong hurr durr Minecraft is a sandbox game, not a mining game.

I must.

I do this with 60 villagers every minute on my server :D

That makes me feel happy

Hear*

3/4 IMO

Me at the end of the video: why only burn half of him... BURN ALL OF HIM THEN GO TO THE NETHER AND BURN HIM SOME MORE!!!!!!!!!!!

Kato GS123 THEN BURN HIS ASHES AGAIN!!!

AND BURN HIS ASHES AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN UNTIL THERE ARE MERE ATOMS LEFT OF HIM!!!! Ok, maybe a little too far

Arctic Dino surprise - everything humanity was doing during the last ~300 years is optimizing automation. The main problems of iron farms is the amounts of lag they produce. At the same time things like quarries from build craft were stable even during 1.3.2-1.6.2 (versions that were notably laggier than the others). Also iron farms are visually abysmal.

@@НиколайИванов-в8ы1я I have a potato computer and iron farms don't lag my computer whatsoever. In comparison, redstone-powered quarries crash my computer. The iron farm is the most efficient and optimised farm we currently know about.

@@НиколайИванов-в8ы1я If you believe iron farms to be laggy you definitely don't want the TNT or the rails/minecarts from these ideas since tile entities are one of the major lag causes.

Unless Mojang plan to totally rebalance iron recipes I agree the game needs an automatic, renewable way to get iron. However Iron Golem farms are really unintuitive, how to build one basically requires a tutorial to explain the mechanics to you. Also thematically they're really evil. Golems offer your flowers and want to be your friend and you murder them over and over. Replacing it with a new infinite iron method like extracting iron from infinite iron patches at bedrock using a redstone device would both fit Minecraft's theme better as well as fill the need for large amounts of iron.

Arctic Dino lol, your summarization skill is f**king ass bro. "Fix iron golem farm by making mining more easier, more rewarding and less of a hassle because mining is a part of minecraft and it shouldn't be left out." There, much better isnt it?

Agree

One of my friends plays the game in a much less rigorous way and I don't really complain. She is having fun and not really cheating (just using creative and spectator to move and place blocks) so iron farms are not really cheating if people are having fun. If the Devs don't like it they can patch it

@@jeetadityachatterjee6995 that’s my whole point man. People have a choice on what types of farms and stuff that they use. You should be able to play the game in whatever way makes you enjoy it the most, as long as you don’t ruin others experience.

@@jeetadityachatterjee6995 exactly. On our server, admins will give us creative for some bigger projects, because it's small server with a big difference between players (10-25yo players, and everybody plays different - some people like me renovate villages, some build huge cities, some are just messing around) and everybody has a good time. And i feel that removing things like iron farms will (at least partially) remove fun from a big amount of players, because it is a form of playstyle - building all sorts of farms, automatic smelters, storage rooms, etc. So in conclusion, minecraft is a game about having fun, and taking something as crucial as iron farms could ruin the fun for some.

but why should they exist if the devs dont like them? They arent supposed to exist.

Been playing just as long, and i have to disagree. Instead of completely ignoring your point though, I think i should turn it around. I’d honestly prefer the majority of the game to be catered to things like this and more mining systems or updates etc. People like you can still make mega farms and etc but it would more appealing to most players to go mining instead of having a farm (or even make the farms more challenging to create or work). Mojang is treating the cave update like valve treats HL, CSGO, and TF2

100 percent after with this

Curox X I just don’t understand. If someone personally dislikes the way iron farms work then they can simply not use it, but for others it’s just more enjoyable to create these complex contraptions rather than mining. Mining after all isn’t really what the game is supposed to revolve around. It’s about playing your way, enjoying the game how you choose to, so then why remove a part of what others enjoy about the game? Because you disagree with it? I’m personally not big on iron farms but honestly I don’t think the mechanic should be removed, after all you can choose whether or not to use it depending on how you like to play. If we’re to remove this mechanic we might as well just remove all mob drops since they can also be automated, that is if you apply the logic that is being used here.

@@CuroxX What Mojang has to do is not necessarily focus on both the mining/"vanilla" community and the farm community at the same time, nor should it remove anything from either side. If Mojang were to focus on a cave update in the future that would not have anything to do with the technical/farm community(s), then guess how many of them would be annoyed by this? (Spoiler: 0%.) But if Mojang decided to work on a cave update and, say, remove observers, then you can imagine the backlash that that would generate. Minecraft is a sandbox game. There is no story, no clear direction. Whatever makes the game fun for you is what matters. But what matters as much is not creating another 1.9; an update that, regardless of your opinion on the new(er) combat, created a harsh and permanent rift between the community.

He said you should make a good way to mine

Completely true!

Yes, if he at least had a world for 3 months, he never even make this video

My main survival world is six years old. I havent been in a cave since 1.9 due to the abundance of diamonds, gold, and iron in the end city chests. I built an iron farm around then as well, just because mining is so very painfully boring. Even if theres a cave update I dont anticipate that changing anything.

Long-term players need iron farms and gold farms, we need mending and enderman farms. All of these could be seen as 'exploiting' the game. Should you really be getting that much XP? Not really, but who cares, it is more fun if you want it. All these things aren't forced upon you, if you don't want an iron farm don't build one, but don't try and make people play your way.

wait you don't do the challenge progression in a day i think that evryone should do it

yeah i would be way more happy if i had iron farms instead tnt dups.

Idea to change iron golem farms: make java iron golem spawning similar or the same as bedrock iron golem spawning. This works because in bedrock edition, you can get great rates from iron farms, but unlike java, high efficiency iron farms also come with high cost, resources, and time, but you still can have small-scale iron farms with rates which are much lower, but not extremely low, like the early days where java iron farms gave maybe a stack per hour. I feel like this would bring a balance into the game, because to get good rates, you would need to put in a lot of effort, but you still could farm iron in smaller scales more easily and more early in the game.

@@sohailaji4660 you don't have to make an iron farm if you dont want to

@@joh1997dude I think that iron farms shouldn't be completely removed, read my comment on this comment.

the devs said they were fine with it until they come up with an alternative