Is it true that God gives people the gift to believe? (UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION) 

Hello brother Please quote from the Westminster confession or any calvsnist preacher where God has as you put it 'forced' people to belief or not believe..As you are misrepresenting calvanistic belief.. the word 'forced' by definition means that someone is coerced to do something AGAINST their will.. All those who come to Christ receive the GIFT of faith by His grace (Eph 2:8-9) and WILLINGLY come to Christ after this believing faith is received.

Salvation is free to ANYONE. The only requirement is to believe in Christ. Thanks for subbing! - Trent

Solid points. Thanks Kris!! - Trent

@@BibleLine Great to have you with us too Brother Trent! Appreciate your responses to the comments given. It’s online fellowship with you and others taking the time to comment. Thank you all of you!

Sure thing! I enjoy responding because it helps me to see where people come from, and it causes me to study to have answers! - Trent

@@krisjustin3884 Amen brother 👊

​@@krisjustin3884This is nothing but an ERROR. Bible teaches that Faith is both a Gift and an Action. You seems to deny both. Rom 4 talks about "works of the law" which you are confusing with "good works". You have been misguided badly into easy believism.

Yes! - Trent

Indeed it is and thank God for channels like this that preach the Gospel knowing this very truth!

That is very true. Thanks for the good word Tina. - Trent

Thanks Kimo Sabe! - Trent

Thank you - Trent

Thanks for that bit of info. It’s a dangerous doctrine no matter how it’s labeled anyway! Thanks for supporting us. - Trent

@@BibleLine you're very welcome and is my privilege brother :)

Many people are promoting false gospel

@@AbrahamAdeyemiOSAS very true. Seems that the majority both on and offline are promoting either some open works based or esoteric mystical gospel like Calvinism which still essentially is based on a person's works and few the true Jesus paid it all in full gospel of Grace.

Romans 4:5 is one of my favorite verses! I think this verse alone checkmates predetermined faith. I mentioned this verse in my comment too! Great!

Paul is talking to those that are already saved in Philp 1:9, and who did he die to save? If he died for the elect, don't you think there would be at least one verse that says he died for the elect. My bible says God died for all men, because all men have sinned and fallen short. Luke 5:32 Jesus said, I came not call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Luke 19:10 Jesus said, for the son of man is come to seek and to save that which is lost, are not sinners the lost. 1 Timothy 1:15 Paul said, this is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptations, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. Only if you were already righteous, he did not need to die for you, but if you are a sinner like all men, then he did die for you as well as all sinners, that covers everyone.

@@EugeneHolley-rc6ry Wow,so God was ignorant of His people before He ever created? Did He also not know who the goats were? When did He find out ? Or is He ignorant until they decide who's in which camp?

​@@CBALLENYou said Proverbs 16:4 explains it all. All of what, it says nothing about any doctrines of grace, or about the topic of faith being a gift. Nothing you said has anything to do with the topic we are discussing.

@@EugeneHolley-rc6ry what does it say,though?

@@CBALLEN Nothing that has to do with the topic we are discussing. The Lord has made all thing for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. Verses 5-6 Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the Lord: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished. By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the Lord men depart from evil. It says the same thing in 2Timothy 2:20-21 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth, and some to honor and some to dishonor. If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honor, sanctified, and qualified for the master's use, and prepared unto good work. There is nothing in those verses that are referring to or in agreement with your comment.

Thank you!

They definitely admit some crazy things when you get them to share what they actually believe. Thanks for sharing! Hope we can encourage you with more of our videos!! - Trent

@@BibleLine 👍👍

Thanks Gary! - Trent

Sure thing!! Thank you! - Trent

Sure thing! Notice in John 6 that the offer is not limited in the context. 3 verses later, he even opens it up to “he that believeth.” John 6:44 should be seen in the entire context of John 6. Another note can be made regarding John 12:32-33. He draws all men by the cross. The man must believe who Jesus is and what he did for them. He is the Christ that died to pay for their sin. He is risen. In like manner, those who believe shall rise to be with him. John 6 is really a fantastic eternal security portion of scripture as well. The Calvinist loves to snag 6:44 out of context simply to fit a doctrinal system. Why would John state “whosoever, all, world and he that believeth” in multitudes of scriptures, then turn around and say “oh 6:44 trumps all that information. It’s only for the ones God chose; not whosoever.” It’s ridiculous. It’s doctrine over clear Bible. - Trent

Yes this is very possible. Someone can understand the gospel, trust in Christ, and they can very much fall away. They’re even still saved because they believed. I personally (Trent) have some friends in which this has happened (sadly), whether it’s Atheism, another religion, or something completely pagan. Many baby believers most likely fall away just as Jesus said “choked due to the cares of this world.” Still saved, probably not serving, and they need someone to come alongside to help correct them. It could happen to even the strongest believer. - Trent

Yes! Thank you! - Trent

Yes, and speaking the truth in love! - Trent

Good verse. Yes, “toward us who BELIEVE.” Hence Ephesians 1:12, “who first trusted in Christ” and 1:13, “after that ye believed, ye were sealed.” - Trent

@@BibleLine No, I'm not speaking of myself. My faith is according to the working of His Mighty Power! I'm seeking God's Glory! Not mine own!

I see. You do understand that having the free will to believe or not does not limit God’s sovereignty, nor is it claiming that one can save ones self. See John 3:18. Believing is clearly a choice. Jesus is the individual in which you place your faith in, so choose you to do so. - Trent

@@BibleLine The Bible teaches that The Church is ordained in Christ before the foundation of the world. Jesus shall reconcile All Things Unto Himself! People like you and the many others that the words of predestination and election, All in the name of John Calvin! Sounds to me that your problem is not John Calvin, but the divine expression of God, The Doctrine of Christ. You as most, are wilfully ignorant of the covenant theology throughout the entire Bible. You, as most, are willingly ignorant of the parable of the wheat and the tares! Peter completely understood what he was writing! The natural brute beasts made (ordained), to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not! These are the children of the wicked one, and the enemy that soweth them is the devil! Jesus came to divide Us from these false teachers. They shall be thrust out of the Kingdom, they believe in Jesus, but it is not the Jesus of the Bible! You and the many others are speaking evil of the way of The Truth (Jesus), and shall stand before Him in that Great and Terrible Day in your wilfull unbelief of the deep things of God in things pertaining to salvation; like predestination and election! Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a Son, and thou shalt call His name JESUS; for He shall save His People from their sins! If you do not choose to seek the truth of this clear passage, then you shall never have an understanding to the simplicity of The Doctrine Of Christ. It is only the disobedient children that believe that their father does not have the right nor the power to go against their free will, because He loves them. And this is heresy and a total contradiction to The Word (JESUS)! Hebrews 12:6 For whom The Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every Son whom he recieveth. It was Christ and Christ Alone who broke me over my sins and put His fear in my heart to turned me in another direction. I shall never stand before Him in disbelief of His Power, which according to His Promise, shall reconcile All Things Unto Himself! What a serious, blasphemous thing in denying the power thereof! From such turn away! Because if you have crossed that line to transgress and abide not in The Doctrine Of Christ, is following the error of the wicked!

@@BibleLine Also, the words choose, chose and chosen are never, not even one used for man choosing God under the new covenant. To the contrary, everytime these words are used in the new covenant, it is always God choosing man. So as Peter shall say; make your calling an election sure! Opps! Did I say a bad word? Like "Election? Where's John Calvin!

Good questions. 1) What is Paul talking about when he says "chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world" in Ephesians 1? Paul is referring to those who are IN HIM. The people who are IN HIM are chosen for a task. What is the task? To be holy and without blame before Him in love. It is interesting because the Calvinist view teaches that holiness after faith is automatic to certain degree. The ones who are chosen are the ones who have believed, and they are chosen to DO certain things. Notice Paul was chosen to DO things. 2) What does Paul and Malachi mean when they claim "Jacob have I loved and Esau have I hated?" The basis for the passage is not referring to God loving them to save them and hating others to not save them. Again, they were chosen nations for a task. Out of Jacob would come the 12 tribes of Israel. Not all Israel is saved, but the whole people has been chosen. This fits with the rest of Romans 9-11. Pharoah was put in a place to choose. He resisted God 9x and finally caved in. Then he STILL came after Israel to the Red Sea. There is no indicator whether Pharoah was saved or not. 3) What does it mean when he says "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy?" God plagued Pharoah. He chose to show no mercy in those situations. Pharoah was put in a place to choose. He could have chosen correctly. 4) God won't always strive with man. Yes, this is a true statement. Nonetheless, God the Son took a body and came to save all sinful man. He died for all sin of all the sinners of all time (1 John 2:2, Romans 3:26), and anyone who believes in him receives eternal life (John 3:15-18). I hope this helps. If Calvinism is true, then God is at fault. Anyone can believe, freely of their own will. - Trent

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are three in one persons, and the Godhead is eternal. It was foreordained before the foundation of the world that Christ should die for our sins. He didn’t just become the Son when he was physically born, but he has always been eternally the Son of God. His birth was to take on a body in order to die as slated in Hebrews 10. Understanding the trinity and the nature of God is admittedly challenging to our finite minds, but we can see the pieces here and there in scripture. This is a simple explanation to your question, but I hope it is sufficient. - Trent

@@BibleLine Jesus is god no doubt. My understanding was he was word eternally but became son through virgin birth as Jesus but I could be wrong

We know God is also called “everlasting Father,” therefore the everlasting “Son” can be concluded as true.

Right, the birth is from God, but the faith is something God gave to every man to be able exercise or not. All can believe, but not all do. John 3:18 - Trent

@@BibleLine I made one video about your ignorance. I should make another. You’re very ignorant Pastor Faithfulness is produced by the Holy Spirit, not a man’s flesh ability. Galatians 5:22 You’re preaching the feel good Jesus. Romans 16:18

​@@BibleLineIs "exercise" not a work?😂❤

Yes Aletheia, but the man must choose to walk in the Spirit. - Trent

@@BibleLine Doesn't "choosing" involve human will? Yes, we all know. Now read John 1:13 again. You are in ERROR in denying that faith is a gift.

You receive the Spirit when you believe. -> Ephesians 1:12-14. Faith is something God allowed all people to exercise. - Trent

This is the problem with intellectualising through reading scripture literally without the Holy Spirit. Let me reiterate for you the difference between belief and faith. 1.) I believe that I am a male human being, this is due to my observations and certain universally accepted facts available to me (information I choose to accept as fact in order to make any reasonable sense of the world around me). I don't have faith that I am the same aforementioned. 2.) I trust (have faith) that my plumber will come and fix my sink tomorrow. I trust in this because he told me so, not because I have any irrefutable evidence before me that he will be. I don't believe that he will come tomorrow, because I have no irrefutable evidence before me that no calamity or change of mind will prevent him coming, ie. I would not stake my life on it. I've said to you before, if you believe something, then you don't need faith. Our fallen natures are as open graves; what makes you think that God would believe for one moment anything that is generated in the mind of or comes out of our mouths? Faith is what He demands! What is 'exercising of faith' supposed to mean? A Christian Lives by Faith, this defines Christianity and the Christian. Faith is not an activity you take part in.

We have one! Here: What does REPENT mean in the Bible? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kl9iAldDC_0.html

@@BibleLine thankyou

@@BibleLine I found this video He is way off isn't he? He won't listen to me Be good to get a comment on there for you if time? This repent of sins is everywhere ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-m7uKOq8huXo.html