Is it Wrong to Kill Harold? - Fallout 3 Lore 

Get this man a FUCKING medal (im not begin sarcastic)

Chronomaton -a fiew hours later Herbert:“Please, i beg of you, not three dog again...“

@@PancakemonsterFO4 a) Who the hell is Herbert? b) If the rest of the Wasteland can put up with Three Dog, then HAROLD can deal, too.

subzerobadass that’s what I said, Harrison

Bingo bango bongo i don't wanna leave the kongo oh no no no no nooooo~ That might eventually be a worse fate

Get to work on that mod please.

Harold:[notices] Ohhhhh Noooooo.

Like groot from gardians of the galaxy

Well remember fallout 4 is in the commonwealth, 3 is in capital wasteland

@@imakazero His seeds are spread to the wind. They could blow north. They could be spread stuck in the fur or hides of the wasteland creatures. If traders get a sapling, it could be traded north for resources.

well they dont understand that they are speaking to a person, they see him as a miracle or a god.

@@UltimateGamerCC then he can just ask for those things

@@nautilusshell2089 but he doesnt, what he does ask them for however just becomes a stupid riddle to them, and they are especially wary about bringing people, as well as technology, in any case this does nothing for the constant pain, difficulty breathing and unending insomnia that he is suffering day by day.

Yew will grow, listen to him and take care of his needs. I trust her, because they're friends. And she's the fruit of treeminders' society, so they'll trust her.

so you are going to bring a tree a book that can't turn the pages. i think that would be an insult. secondly unless they get new music, trust me i would want to kill myself eventually. new people, how long has Harold and bob been there, how long has it taken them to seed the trees around them. would these new people keep Harold and bob a secret until enough trees could be grown.

And then when a forest fire breaks out, omnisuffering lmao

@@ashketchup9040 don’t forget to mention the many trees we’re gonna cut down as well. Yes he’ll be able to see the world again, but he’ll also witness the horrors we are capable of, which I’m pretty sure he is well aware of, considering how long he’s lived.

​@@ashketchup9040 Do you feel horrible pain when someone pinches a little bit of your skin? One tree is like one cell dying.

@@JoceBeggar Yeah, so imagine all your cells burning. You can't, thus, omnisuffering lmao

@@ashketchup9040 How the fuck would you burn all the trees in the world at the same time? If another Great War happened, but them everyone would burn

Your good person

I’d give him a library and make him a king give

I would set up camp next to Harold,and keep him company

DeelIo, same I would literally be his therapist and best friend I feel so bad for him I am literally about to cry that’s how bad I feel for him, why am I so weird ;-;

Still, he would see all of his loved ones *_die_* that would be a fate worse than death

I hate you for this pun

>:(

LMMFAO

*_*

@@jaytheredpanda183 wasn't that funny

Yos

You deserve a medal

His eyesight might be really bad though

@@JeritHD he never looks at the wanderer so i imagine he can't see at all

All he needs is some weed killer and in a couple years he will be freeeeeeeeeeee

Honestly, basically every sacrifice in the game was avoidable and dumb, so no, fuck the theme.

@@seigeengine Nah the theme was well implemented along with all of the other morally grey choices in the game.

@@AyyyC not the ending

Whatchu mean? I sent Fawkes into the purification chamber

It is only self-sacrifice because they don't let you use the supermutant companion (who can take the radiation!), which never made sense...seriously, that they wanted needless sacrifice is one of the things people (like me) hated, which also got us Broken Steel :)

Best for the world

Best for me and Harold. I want that barkskin perk

People in the Capital Wasteland kinda suck.

@@mynameberamen1779 not all think about little lamplight and big town

Best for harold

Stuck there for centrees? That (Christopher) wood s-uck. ;D

Christopher woods Woods Harold and bob made a woods Me: xd

I'm in a good WOOD!

Christopher Woods No dude no🥺😢

Christopher Woods sksksksksksk (That was a joke btw I’m not a 14 year old girl)

Or maybe make him as a synth

It won't work. The brain in the Robobrain is used as a central processor.That's all, the memories are wiped clean. Oxhorn even made a video covering Robobrains and the disturbing truth behind them. And making him a synth would mean creating an impostor that looks or acts like him.

But don't they wanna die?

are you trying to make the terminator with natural resources

200IQ playz

WOuld have been a perfect pair of Checks, Science 75 - 100 to explain the theory, Medicine 75 - 100 to perform the procedure.

Stole that from doctor who

LOBOTOMY TIME BABY

We need to know if the trees sprouted from Harold can produce their own seeds. Or are they sterile? That would change everything.

That starts with Harold and ends with the masses in brainwashing helmets.

"[Perception 5] Dude, should I bring you a radio or something?"

@@nicrobe9443 "[Charisma 7] yo, save the Wasteland dude"

“[Low Intelligence] I have this courier friend, he may have more options for you.”

@Anthony Johnson And? That doesn't change the fact that keeping harold alive benefits the entire wasteland.

@Anthony Johnson Because he can supply food for everyone else just by existing.

Ryan Hernandez to be free I honor his wish to be free I don’t want him to be a tree his wish will be free

@@mikeehrmantraut1899 I agree plus I can't imagine what would happen if raiders or groups like the institute would were to take over the area. It be horrible what they'd do to him

@@ryanhernandez5632 OH god that would be horrible if the institute was taking over the area they would probably study and making another bio weapon that would be scary and putting Harold out of his misery was the right thing I don't want him to stay like a tree

He is not a human anymore. He is a super mutant because he got mutated at Mariposa with FEV when he was with Richard Grey/Master. He ceased to be human when he became a mutant. He is a tree.

@@valeriouscatastros8717 but the tree has the feelings and thoughts to those of a human. He is still a person but inside a tree.

I like keeping him around spreading his influence. He's stuck in the moment. He needs to think about what he can do now use that to move toward as well as think on how he might mutate further as the OP stated. Or I could burn the mutant and let the world heal naturally. I prefer option 2.

He may as well reach to godhood!literaly!

That’s a good point. It’s likely as the green grows, he’s able to “see” more of the Capital Wasteland than he ever could. After all, he “saw” us coming even though he physically couldn’t move and is only able to look in one direction.

and even if he will be a slave, it's one life for thousands and maybe millions if spread far enough outside the area. Some person out there today is suffering already to help us and the future us stay safe

I also see a future of Yew becoming the leader of the Treeminders and tending to Herald and Bob, she actually listened to him, and he admitted she made him happy. Piece of cake choice. Always grow. Growth before death.

He really is an incredibly charming character. Whether he can genuinely share thoughts with Bob, or it’s just the delusions of a centuries old man, the mutual respect that he and Bob share is incredibly touching. He truly sees Bob as his equal and harbours no ill will against him for their situation. Such a well written character.

When I first play FO3 back in 2008 I used to light Harold's ass up. But knowing what I know now I can't bring myself to do it 😭

Recognized his voice? His voice and voice actor is completely different in Fallout 3.

@@J05TI Could be a similar tone and or inflection

Love him, he's such a goofball and Harold is a great name

bob will save the wasteland. Make Harold live and grow more

No one should eat his fruit or his nuts. Pun intended.

@@axlmagnus It's an abomination and must be destroyed!

After that he'll truly be a plant.

If you kill Harold without burning him Bob/Herbert are still green and thus alive so I can assume he is still producing seeds so He still grows just at the same speed as before meaning it would still happen slowly

The thing is you can convince Harold this as well. It lessens his suffering to the point of probably being able to ignore it and even enjoy life. Much like he enjoys having Yew around.

You seriously think it's alright to torture one person so that others can live a bit more comfortably?

@Milkycharizard the capital wasteland will be fine thanks to project purity

@@wtxcrazydonut never said its alright. Neither are good options but itd better for 1 person than 100000 people to suffer isnt it?

Real Utilitarian Hours who up?

@@dungeonmaster81_10 Then how is Dogmeat Alive. Is it just Bethesda messing up?

@@dungeonmaster81_10 damnit my mod isnt lore friendly now...

@@raynightshade8317 the new dogmeat is a synth maybe?

Naw dude dogmeat is like shaggy an ultimate being of power that never dies how do you describe it being unratiated when most other dogs are

@@zrytun6019 looking at the wiki other than the first two games he could have survived though 3, Vegas and 4 with a normal gods livespand

He agrees that it's for the best because you gaslight him into believing that he's being selfish. Same way most victims of coercion "agree" to their abusers demands.

@@j.jbinks9669 LOL that's one hilarious interpretation XDD. Its funny you see "gaslight" where most see "convince with compelling arguments". Bethesda makes games for children not dark stories about victim abuse lol. I don't remember the game dialogue perfectly but I'm pretty sure I don't remember gaslighting harold when I played through Fallout 3. The dialogue in the game is pretty bad. The most they will do is have a sentence like "But the community needs you and so does the capital wasteland!" and then he'd be like "yeah you're right". So...honestly its more likely that the vault dweller just changed his mind. That's what Bethesda would write. They write simple dialogue like that (which thankfully has improved in their recent games)

JAJAJAJAJAJJAJA. Lmaoo I really laughed at the gaslight part because it's pretty much what would happen irl and kills the illusion of heroism and beauty behind him agreeing or the wanderer's debate skills/wisdom

@@radscorpion8I agree except the “Bethesda makes games for children” part. There’s a lot of horrific material in Fallout definitely not suited for kids.

Alot of people just throw the word gaslight around

Helpertin right? It was either kill Harold and make him happy but the wasteland will remain a wasteland. Or don’t fulfill his request and the landscape transforms for the better. I chose the greater good as well.

@Homelander What was your choice in, The PITT?

@Homelander How is it any more selfish than killing a man because of your own morals and leaving the entire cult to starve?

@Homelander you cant make an omelet without breaking some eggs

@Homelander A month late, but are you being serious? It's a friggin' video game, don't call people "sElFiSh" because of an option they picked in a VIDEO GAME, you're probably the guy who calls people jerks for doing a "bad guy" playthrough. It's a game, guy.

That’s a fair option. Not sure how it would be accomplished, but it’s certainly something that would satisfy both the needs of the people and the needs of Harold.

Its probably kinda crappy to suggest this but I feel like eventually he would go insane/brain dead just based off his mental state. That way the green would spread but he wouldn't be mentally burdened, at least anymore. He didnt seem to be in a very stable mind as he referred to his mutation as Bob instead of just what it was so maybe he was getting there and just needed to suffer longer in order to do so? Just my opinion

there was already suppose to be a way convince harold into being happy about his condition. he wasnt in any real pain, just immobilized

@@TawnyRain2332 I disagree, he has been around since the bombs dropped and imo he seems less insane in this game than in fallout 2. It is too bad we couldn't get to know more about his ability to "see" through the trees, to me it seemed like he was slowly fusing with the tree kinda like the master in fallout one. Tbh they have a lot in common, being dumped in the same vat, being worshipped as gods, being immobile and having slight psychic powers

TawnyRain2332 I had a fried with a large tumor on his neck he called Bobby. Naming something helps humans be less afraid of it

hella creepy

@@doubleaa7368 WHat does that even mean

The day the bars closed that was my reaction

The big foot be having his time with his girl

Nightmare fuel

Lol so you did watch him burn at least once is what you're saying?

@@syntheticteapot I've seen video of him burning. In this video. :P

@@syntheticteapotharold go screaming 😅

@@IndirectCogs lmfao awful.

Get a room, you two.

@@grandmasterhashmixtapemast910 wot?

That's actually really smart

Big mountain can do anything

If they can make cazadores I’m pretty sure they can make a tree

DiscordMarauder I’ve no doubt they can make a tree. The question is, “Can they make a tree that won’t try to murder people?”

Good question...

Congratulations, you linked Zelda and Fallout

@@blueotter5954 if Nintendo's reading this, they need to sneak the Capitol Building into the Hyrule map for their next game

in a sense he was in fallout 2, now he is rooted in the ground and looks to be stuck there the rest of his days.

Becomes the mighty hiss tree

Maybe in fallout 5(not 76) hewill be an ent

Ent??

Yeah wtf is an ent

XD

Heheh

@Dreamedorgen 3 No, he's going Ultra Instinct.

Secret boss battle! Spriggan Ghost Harold appears from the burning ash.

I wonder what he was like as a human

Please don't take this the wrong way but....In the world we see in Fallout games, why would you care if someone calls you....EVIL? It is just a wee little bit temporary damage to karma points, nothing more. After the bombs fell, it took a maximum of one month and most of the police officers realized they are no longer receiving paychecks (or that automated salary system continued paying them with worthless toilet paper known as dollars instead of caps) so they tossed away their uniforms and badges and went home. That means it is not like anyone will arrest you for murder if you burn Harold. It is not like you cannot kill a Radstag or Yao Guai without the next thing being someone asking for your hunting permit. Also, I have sold LOTS of homemade Jet in the Commonwealth with zero consequences. Having realized this, it is not actually so heavy to play Fallout games.

@@Cybernaut76 the world may be dead in the fallout universe, but people still have morale and the sense of what is right and what is wrong

@@bitterman7258 Yes, but morals is much more flexible concept in the post-apocalyptic world than it was before the Great War. Also, there is no longer the same law than there was before the bombs fell. In some sense, it may be good, in some sense, bad.

@@Cybernaut76 while yes the wasteland is fucked and there is evil in it, people with morals and hope still exist on it and they're the ones actually trying to make a difference, and as long as those people exist in the wasteland, you cant burn alive a talking tree without being considered evil

​@@bitterman7258 True enough. However, I think you can get away with a lot of psychopath stuff (such as the things you can do by installing Depravity and Diary of a Madman) if you do them wisely. It is not like CSI will come and investigate and then get you or anything.

I would have been interesting for Fallout 4 to have like a creation club, or possibly DLC where you travel to the Capital Wasteland because the Brotherhood wants to eliminate Harold for being a mutant, an easy target, but maybe Harold objects this time because he sees the beauty of living and helping others. (assuming the Leaf Mother Laurel is the canon ending)

kill the tree, and use it to help out our settlement. ill mark it on your map.

no if you are the minutemen you would have no time to work through this dilemma. because another settlement needs your help.

@demonpride1975 yeah, the position of the Minuteman would’ve indifference

Rodri G But couldn’t one argue that Oasis is in itself, a settlement? Make Bob make more seeds to expand Oasis and the Capital Wasteland, nay, the whole world shall become one big settlement!!!

why not just destroy his heart if you're going to kill him? it's kinder

@@Casandraelf Speedrunners usually kill him with fire since it's the quickest way to finish the quest. Some people also deliberately choose the more evil option when they are making an evil aligned character, it is an RPG afterall.

@@optimisedoptimist9922 oh, I know that. Speedruns are all about beating the game as quickly as possible. I meant for more general playthroughs

what if there was a way to pull him apart and make him into an ent of some manner, seperate out his hands, implant his heart in his body, maybe trim out his branches and give him some metal boots so his feet cant take root again and let him mill about the wastes. Hell, the Brotherhood of Chicago might take him, they have sentient deathclaws for fucks sake.

there's actually suppose to be an option where your suppose to convince harold to live since his strain of fev is what's allowing all the plants to grow back

Exactly that's what I thought

I wish there was an option for he tree minders to treat him like a person instead of a god cause the only person he likes is the one person who treats him like abuman

The only ones with the technology to achieve this are “The institute” and barely anyone in the entire wasteland know about their existence. Even the lone wanderer doesn’t know they exist. So ya, that’s not really an option.

@@solrhopalocera5704 there was the scientist guy who wanted something from harold

@@gr1m720 ya and i believe the institute is the only one that can actually do anything with harolds DNA. DNA needs highly specialized equipment which only the institute has. equipment made from scraps really isnt gonna get anything accomplished

What kind of a world are you building if its foundations are built on this?

@@wtxcrazydonut i mean from what i'm seeing he has a pretty good idea, making harold the foundation of the new world is a good even though he already is a foundation for the treefolk and he hates/enjoys it. Because he likes his time with Yew, hes still human so i'd say give him things that he can listen to or watch or do something and maybe some people would connect with him like yew did and he can both save the wasteland and have a happy life. And i get the point that if he has to wait centuries for himself to die that everyone in this generation would be dead and new people could use him for bad or even torture him for fun, but my solution for that is have like a family tradition of going to see harold and hang out with him and be kind folk, and for people to protect him. Also i get that people like the lone wanderer wont be around to govern what happens so you just train select few to be like him, boom and then harold is happy/safe and the wasteland is restored. And when everything is green is harold wants to be put down so be it he at least deserves his request after basically saving the wasteland.

@Anthony Johnson well.. I mean.. He would quite literally be saving the life of everyone in the wasteland. Certainly, forcing him into this kind of thing is wrong in a society like ours where things alright, but when the future of humanity depends on it? When one singular person can restore the area of hundreds if not thousands of people AND the future generations..? It is for the greater good.

Programmer here. it's not about nuance. it's about code. doing something like this would take a lot of time, effort and space for something only a small percentage of people would see. whilst i would love to see more of that kind of stuff in the future. back then it was simply not achieveable

@@Riccool I would have to agree with you, as much as i would live to see that option it just wasnt possible or plausible to do back then, such a few amount of people would see that effect and probably even fewer people would think about doing this option. Now if they made this a mandatory mission in the game that would be a different story but because it isnt I wouldn't waste the time, effort and space in the code to do this.

I think it makes humas live longer. Or make them braindead like the other treeminders.

Probably makes them sterile

Can't say what it does to them. But 1 drink from that sap will not make them braindead, I mean when lone wonderer drank the sap but didn't lose its intelligence. Also Herald is not a human anymore. The effects it has on herold will not affect the humans.

Hajime Hinata harold does say that it was made by one of the treeminders, it either makes them high (run around crazily) or make then unconscious and wake up seeing his face and become terrified

There’s a random encounter where you meet a trader who presumably went through the same ritual. He talks about Harold like he’s a God like the other Treeminders would while moving his head around in a strange manner, so he must’ve went insane or delirious or something from it. When you finish speaking with him, he dies a moment afterwards. I guess the results from drinking the sap can vary, and you were lucky enough to not go through the same things as that guy.

He's literally saying "Don't touch me I want to be left alone".

yup he may become a full blown god at some point.

@@bobbybologna3029 it's not even about becoming a god. Harold was a caravan leader, supplier and trader of goods and info. he knew the only way we survive is togeather. He was always selfless till the day he was mutated and after. Given an option to see the benifet and not be talked at and worshiped like a god, but instead talked to as a human, he could do great works for the world.

Thank you, this is the reason I went with Laurel’s choice. Harold isn’t as alone as he thinks he is.

ch0pper116 hmmmmm good points

Kalen Gell that’s the problem though. He *wants* to be alone. He is tired of the Tree Minders who don’t treat him as an intelligent person with bodily autonomy and it definitely doesn’t seem like he wants to be treated like a god.

Man I wish this was in Fallout

One word= Centaurs

Um, He explicitly and firmly states that he does not want to burned to death because it would cause him extreme pain. We also learn from Yew that it’s his worst fear and he worries about it constantly. So that does bring us to the conclusion that burning him is evil and does not in any way fulfill his clear request to go into the caves and destroy his heart.

Bringing life back to a dead wasteland so humanity can stop savagely fighting and murdering for scarce resources is way more important. In reality, there are no easy decisions. If we all lived according to the, “morals over necessity” philosophy, 90% of everything we’ve accomplished as a species and problems we’ve solved would still exist.

@@solrhopalocera5704 bringing life back wouldn't change anything though, people would still be as ruthless before. When the world is rebuilt in a few thousand years it'll be a wasteland again

That's what I thought but remember he's bored but his leaves are his eyes so by siding with Laural he can see and watch othee wastelanders. It reminds me of Caleb's fate in Fallout 4 but much more complex.

@@ryszakowy but if you accelerate his grow, tree start covering the wasteland within decades.

@@ryszakowy and dont forget look around him those trees grew within 20 years that large because he was there for around 20-30 years so they already grow at an extreme rate

@@ryszakowy The trees are growing because of Harold. They weren't growing before Harold.

lewis251100 I was thinking that same thing

Maybe he’s okay in the moment, but what about 100 years later, or 100 years after that. He’s stuck in one spot for eternity. In real life, a few days of solitary confinement in prisons can destroy a persons mind. Imagine months going by where nothing happens at all and you’re entirely alone. That’s just endless suffering

Tim W still, he’s in the middle of a massive forest with birds and insects. That’s completely different from solitary confinement.

I ended up making the same choice when confronted with this quest, and I got the same takeaway. I couldn't bring myself to kill him, so I did what felt like the next best thing-to give his life new meaning by making him grow faster-and he actually seemed glad I didn't carry out his original wish.

@@TW-sh2un The little girl may help with that. Who knows when she grows up she might help make things comfortable. A radio to listen to and a few people to just you know... talk to and listen. Sure they might still worship him but at least its better interactions.

Emp United You realize since he’s essentially immortal that the amount of time she spends with him is a blink of an eye? That little girl grows up and keeps him company for maybe 80 years. The colony will be dead within a couple 100. He could live for 10,000 years or longer. That’s 9000+ years of no interaction, just staring at the same wall, unable to move or end his state in any way. That would be a living hell for any conscious mind

@Logan Waltz 😂

But not because he asked?

aRE YOU MOHAMEDAN?

Jes Cruz what?

AverseEX AverseEX Mohamedan, destroy idol, behead infidel, church to mosque, oppress women

Why? Agreed

Fuckin same

Why? But What if you were in Harolds shoes and not just a tree

Why? I wouldn’t. Being a tree sounds peaceful.

@@fumarc4501 yeah but you'd probably be in pain never moving just sitting absorbing rads it has to get boring after years of pain and boredom

Actually, the irony is if he could move enough to kill himself he wouldn't have been depressed in the first place. He was a ghoul so he was gonna live forever anyway one place is as good as any other.

If you decide to burn him to death his scream is truly horrific and disturbing.

@@michaeljones7916 but the question is, would it be true mobility, or would it be the ability to simply turn a little bit, or maybe use one arm.

The whole ethical argument behind Harolds desire to die is a load of Brahmin shit. This is a situation where there’s no right answer...but it varies from person to person. From community to community that’s in harolds company at the time. That’s how i see it...from where I’m standing if I was the lone wanderer and Harold asked me to kill him...looking at his entire situation I’d kill him without any hint of doubt in my decision. I’d feel guilty killing him...I’d have to live with that choice all my life knowing I killed what seemed like someone who’d be a good conversationist and someone who’s seen this nuclear war from the very beginning. that I couldn’t help in any other way..but I’d know there’s no other choice in the matter and I’d do it again. Anyone who thinks letting one person or a small group of people suffer for “the greater good” as shown from that scene in Hot Fuzz will literally never have to worry about being in the shoes of the victim. No one in human history has ever found themselves in a situation where they’re trapped against they’re will in some shape or form and thought “naw you know what? It’s fine..I don’t mind this..I’m helping other people...my suffering will benefit society.” No one..and Obviously, That’s why people who think to keep Harold alive for the greater good will be totally fine with it until it’s they’re turn...a turn they’d never have to fear arriving because Harold is trapped for all eternity. Harolds desire to die obviously stems from extreme boredom, irritation, unable to eat, sleep, walk around. He can’t even move enough to end his own life OF COURSE HE’D WANT TO DIE!! Since Harold was a ghoul before he was obviously going to live for what seems like an eternity. Why he never minded his situation before is because he had total control over his fate...he was a regular person like all of us. Take that control away and what are you left with? A thinking person trapped in a body that’s no longer yours because you have no control over it. Others will say “oh Harold will have company” “what about Yew she’s Harold friend” “Just get Harold a radio, a book, friends, do stuff for him.” Well guess what? He’s still got NO CONTROL over his own actions. Who the hell would want to live they’re life being cared after not able to do a single thing for yourself?? And I do literally mean a single thing...I don’t mean jobs or labor. Also these people in Oasis will die..eventually. Yew will die..eventually. You can argue future generations of humans will care for Harold as the treeminders did. Guess what? People don’t know that..the lone wanderer was able to figure out Harold’s not a god..just a man trapped in a tree...able to produce unlimited resources for all time. so that means plenty of other people could figure that out too. And humans can become fucking evil scumbags. If not Raider, slavers, talon company. Any faction of evil intent find Harold and take advantage. But even future treeminders could. Hypothetically speaking...What’s stopping a treeminder from say 150 years in the future to suddenly realize “Oh wait...you can’t do anything, we don’t need to worship, or even care for you..like at all. No you will serve us no matter what” And then they will reap the rewards from it. If Harold could move and break himself free of bob/Herbert then all of this would be muted as he’d lose the only reason to want to kill him self and continue on with his long life. But since he cannot. And all of the books, humans, radios, music whatever in the world would break ANYONE eventually into wishing to just die. Besides if that were me I’d be sick of hearing the same old songs on the radio, or talking to the same people, seeing the same sights by 3 years if I’m lucky. What makes Harold who’s BEEN in this wasteland for two centuries already any different? Harold is suffering an eternal Hell of having no control over his own fate..that he must rely on the mercy of wastelanders or the goddamn cooks he’s stuck with to do for him. No amount of company or entertainment will ever EVER make anyone wish to be alive at that point. So yeah...I’d kill him, the old ghoul’s suffered enough at this point.

the first time i attacked him it was with the shishkebab and he burned down

When I was younger burning him to death terrified me.

A bit off topic but what rifle weapon is this on the video? And how or where can I get this rifle on the game?

Agreed

In other words, you want to turn the tree into a vegetable.

So you would give Harold a lobotomy?

@Scorpio 1971 it's a lever action rifle from the Point Lookout DLC

The people that claim they want what’s best for him wanted to enslave him. What makes you think people arriving later won’t do the same? Making him a slave and saying “maybe someone else would come around” is pretty evil.

​@@BitesTheDust119 he needs to talk to Joshua Graham

I think his happiness should be out of the question when letting him live. Here is an idea, stand still for a couple minutes, hours, days, you can't eat, you can't drink, and you definitely can't sleep, no amount of books or people could bring you enough happiness if you had to experience that for hundreds of years. What if you side with laurel, after a couple years he would be completely surrounded in himself, forever alone in the dark with nothing to company him. If you let him live it's for anybody but him, don't try to rationalize it.

@@Noah-gk7rn He CAN be happy though. He says so himself when he's talking about the kid. I'm not saying he could have the best life in the wasteland, but if one kid can make him happy i'm sure people treating him like he's not a god could make him happy too. Treat him like a human helper instead of a god and he just might find a good purpose and meaning in his life. You can say "try standing still for a long time without food or sleep" but that's ghouls in a nutshell. Being a ghoul sucks, that's unarguable, but if you could at least be a tree-ghoul with a purpose you could still enjoy living.

@@thetwistedsavant5821 What happens when he loses an audience though? This is a post-apocalyptic wasteland bound by no laws of man, some super mutants could role around one day and decimate the tree cult, potentially leaving Harold alone again, and what if that doesn't happen, did you even read what I said, maybe you did, did you think about it? Do you think you could find happiness hundreds of years alone, or worse yet surrounded by people who can't give you the one thing that every living being seeks eventually? Death?

@@Noah-gk7rn You kill raiders every day in this game. They are bad people, but still people, and you dont know what they think or do when you are not around. All of them probably with relatives who dont have them anymore. You have done worse as a player in fallout 3.

@@-gemberkoekje-5547 Just because you kill people trying to do harm to yourself, makes it okay to let someone rot and go insane in eternal loneliness then?

I don't see how seeing trough them helps, yeah it could be entertaning but its the wasteland and all you find is missery all around.

What if he’s a Sadist?

Any stimulation is good stimulation at that point.

He could also watch humanity regrow. Be a source of wisdom He could listen to radio. Have books read to him. He is suffering from mental illness. And is suicidal. Ethunisation has already been found to be unethical. But lets all talk about how the suicidal person wanting to die means killing him instead of treating him is the only right option.

@@reaperofzombies9698 a paralyzed lonely man wishes to die? Why not grant him peace?

"he eould be helping" good job

Yeah, i think like that too

Idk about him but if I'm him, it won't really effect me cuz standing there doing nothing for decades seeing your love one dies will emotionally destroy me even if I know that I save a lot of people... but those action is being force by someone else and I would feel like a tool. but idk since I'm a one selfish human being

@@souko3455 but he wouldn't be alone for eternity. Of course he will see his love ones die of old age but he will also see new life being born as well( I mean the offsprings of the worshipers). So that will keep on healing the wound of herold. But it would be tragic if his entire family is slaughtered by raiders or enclave. Then it would be a hell to live in.

@@rahulsar2030 idk man, it's like you found something that you love but then it disappear. Then you found new person you love then it disappear again. Idk about other people but I would be insane if that happens. Living a life where you know that your love one will die over and over again and you have to experience every single lost for decades would make me crazy insane. I would feel really depressed. It's like my life now where I still feel lonely even though I have family and friends, only the closest people makes me feel truly happy and that guy have to experience losing that special people over and over again. The worst thing is that he can't do anything about it. He only can stand there doing nothing when that happens.

Gg being gaslit by your own mother I guess

VictoriumStudios 78 the BOS suck

@@sawyer3818 got eem

That’s a wonderful idea

What happened to the poll feature, everyone was using it then suddenly stopped.

@@sawyer3818 How will the BOS ever recover

Interesting as you actually have just described how Christianity came to existence in the first place. We know how it well turned out with that one.

Thing is Harold is being selfish when you meet him, he doesn't even bother considering those that rely on him, especially Sapling Yew who looks up to him and finds comfort in his being there. Then there's the matter of Harold getting Omnipresence from the plants. @Kipras Medeišis - Yeah.. the USA was birthed from it and is still considered the most free place in the world. Damn those Christians.

Samuel Reyna And yet Americans were the ones to bring doom to the wastes as well. My point on how religion is born, wasn't an attempt to say that Christianity by itself is bad, but that it was designed to be used to direct masses. It is very likely that more and more Father or Mother take desicions FOR their god, more and more they are going to become gods themselves in people's eyes.

My mistake, misunderstood you a little bit :p

@@kiprasmedeisis5159 They wouldn't become gods. They would become prophets. Also, you're forgetting that Harold is immortal.

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haha

Stupid raider humour

I hate the whole "The needs of the many, out way the needs of the few." argument. The problem, in the real world, is that people would never sacrifice themselves for others. By others I don't mean family and friends; people won't give up their life for strangers. Humans aren't innately evil, but we are selfish. We don't want people to suffer in Africa, but we do nothing about it.

Y Tho

Flying Endeavor the greater good

@@remymoua9490 "How can this be for the greater good?" xD The greater good..

Is that a movie? How is it called?

@@TheNicko224 It is from the movie Hot Fuzz :)

@@TheNicko224 its called hot fuzz its a masterpiece and its on Netflix

Or the lone wanderer will be the one who was thanked for instead of harold

Agreed

Comprehensible choice .

Yo don't burn him! Wood is important! No wood=not a lot of places to live!!!!!! One like=save Harold

@@sharonhilton8670 I didn't burn him. I just blew his brain out.

@@lorddemonoss3945 head shot...quick easy....painless he felt nothing

But if he expands, and no one learns that Oasis is the center of it, people will just think the trees have miraculously made a comeback, and will start cutting them down for lumber with no care for whence it came. Harold would be a god only to the Treeminders, to the rest of the capital wasteland, a myth.

crypto1223 well considering 3 dog knows about it( and he is the general source of information on stuff about the wasteland for most people in the area) I’m pretty sure people will likely find out that oasis is the source of it all, and the capital wastelanders will also likely spread information about oasis

Disagreed

The man tree does literally nothing. How... Exactly is he enslaved? Bc he is depressed and noone is killing him, instead caring for him. I dont understand this point people are trying to push

@@reaperofzombies9698 He literally can't move from that spot he's in. It is not enslavement to any master or person, but enslavement to the predicament he is in, no real control over his life.

That's an awfully depressing way of looking at the world. I disagree. People enslave other people, that has happened; it still happens. But are we really just slaves to our own lives? Are we slaves to everyone in our presence? I don't think so. I say that the only thing that can enslave you besides people are the bad decisions you make, and falling into despair because of them. I mean no offense, but that's what your point of view sounds like.

@@jonathansteppig4116 perhaps enslavement is a harsh term for it, but in the end that's what it is, it doesn't prevent us from being happy or successful or anything else, it is simply part of the rules we all have to live by.

Maybe the treeminers could have shifts to keep him happy through reading to him and having conversations instead of praising him like a god as he has no care for that. PS: It is definitely enslavement if he is being forced to do something he doesn't want to do

For me, deciding to kill Harold is the same that handing a gun to a depressed person who wants to kill themselves, and I'm not even sure that he actually wants to die. 🤷‍♂ He's tired as fuck of the Tree people, but if you have gone through extreme pain or anxiety, you know that at that specific moment all you want to do is die, eventhough you don't actually want it. Bojack Horseman did a great analysis of this in "The View from the Halfway Down", it's really common for suicidal attempts survivors to actually regret their decision at the last moment... So my idea would be, give the man some respect, treat him as a human and if after that, he wants to die, then grant that wish.

@@marcoc7388to be fair, he has been sitting in the same spot for 20 years and is constantly being used as a slave to help the people, if you were told you had to sit somewhere for hundreds of years, not being able to sleep, or eat, or do anything a normal person would do, would you want to live? For what. But ya I get what your saying, or typing I guess.

I agree. Just look at what happened with the Fire Ant experiment in Greyditch.

Reading this reminds me of the horrors of Vault 22

Well, on the other hand, nothing else grows in ht wasteland, CO2 buildup will eventually be lethal :)

the problem with your theory of bob's fruit being an invasive species is that at the time that fallout 3 was made, it was considered part of the lore that most plant life was dead or nonexistent in the wastes was so spreading the seeds would have been a miracle at that time

@@gusty7153 What I'm referring to with the phrase "invasive species" is that these Bob plants could easily end up dominating their environment in a harmful way that prevents other plants from ever being able to return and flourish naturally. The absence of competition in an ecosystem does not preclude the potential for harm when introducing a new species into that system. If anything, it becomes more likely that harm may occur. Human history is filled with examples of this exact phenomenon. Now, I'm not saying that this is a risk you cannot or even should not take given the full context of ecological disaster the wasteland is facing, but it is a risk you must at least consider. In the Fallout universe, humanity fucked up big time, and despite that clear lesson, humans keep repeating those same mistakes again and again in almost every game. When it comes to Harold, spreading those seeds seems like a big mistake just waiting to happen, from my perspective at least.

because he's tried to tell them stuff like that, they don't listen to him.

It's worse than prison he litterlay cannot do anything

Figure out how to free him

@@pepeiann I mean he can always grow

Cuz nothing they can bring up is important to him

honestly yes, its all just a waiting game for herald as I'm sure many child and people would gladly try and entrain him. though I'm sure he could also ask to have his arms cut out of the bark so he can atleast touch things xd

@@henrymcbark7337 you know that a good point, could we theoretically cut the wood enough to where bob wont be hurt but harold can move to an extent

Lmaoo 😂

I both love and hate you

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@@JD_Lennon username

Harold is putting the choice on you to end his life, he cannot do it himself. Doing it yourself and having someone do it for you are two separate things, essentially putting a gun up to your head and pulling the trigger is way different than having a stranger do it for you. A lot of people who claim to want to opt out don't go through with it, they don't really want to die but life is fucked up at the moment and they want release.

@TofuVoid so you saying the needs of the one outweigh the needs of everyone else...?

Ha, you fool! You gave him what he wanted! And, frankly, I understand why!

the best ending! everyone dies, the worst ending: kill the tree-minders while making Harold grow

RealSpartan 5206 now that’s dark

Get the heavy flamer.

@@realspartan5206 get the kill children mod and kill yew in front of harold then put sap over his heart so he lives for much longer, forced to stay right next to her corpse

I've seen you before

shy guy with a sombrero you ain’t the first

@@mindyauron9137 *Joshua Graham enters the chat*

@@redsteel815 "God cant do all the work"

Lol when i was 11 or 12 it scared thr shit out of me

It scared the hell out of me

[Everyone in hell in my body] EVERYONE EVACUATE NOW!!!

Same !!! LOL

yep, its an act of cowardice, he's simply suicidal and doesn't want to live anymore. it would be just as wrong to kill any suicidal person simply bc they want to die. Thats without taking into acct the amount of people that could be saved by Harold

I agree with the quote , but come on , we all know the foundation doesn't "really " have a ethics committee

How do you think 110 Montauk was allowed? That by itself is an ethical shitstorm.

I loathe that quote. A decent percentage of folk have a individual moral compass/philosophy so whatever observation the Ethics Committee is trying point out is moot when it comes to these people.

Some paths are definitely superior to others. I guess the legitimacy of the quote depends on your definition of "good" but its plain and simple to see that certain ways of life produce healthier societies. Take the moral and social justice elements out and still, you will see the productivity of ideas in their societies. Therefore, they can be compared. and they must. Take an incident like the rape of nanking, do you really believe that the ideologies that led to that atrocity are no better or worse than those of the U.S. today? There IS a greater good and it is left to man to make out what it is.

Yeah your not the one who has been stuck in place for over 20 years

I would love to see that. Like in twenty years, the lone wanderer picks a fruit and Harolds face pops up on the tree like "Hey buddy! COUGH COUGH COUGH"

You can't exactly compare being depressed to being mutated and disfigured to the point that you're unrecognizable as a human being, forced to stand in one place for hundreds of years unable to sleep, eat, piss, or do anything that a normal human does. My man Harold isn't just depressed. He's been tortured, forced to endure a hell no man on Earth can even comprehend. Harold has seen everyone he loves die around him as time takes them, and he's forced to stand there unable to do anything as time goes on. And all he asks from you is the sweet release of death, but you're too selfish to grant him that one wish?

Yeah, I don't think depression and being stuck for over 20 years without being able to eat, sleep, do anything, just suffering while a disfiguration merges you with a tree coming out of your fucking brains can compare. Sorry. Also, by external stimulus you are saying slavery.

Madwolf Studios longer than 20 years He had been a mutant like that (albeit not rooted to the ground like in fallout 3) for over 150 years

thats messed up lol

Reisha Ananda It could be a more merciful choice than him living for centuries or millennia, and it gives him a truer god complex than what his worshippers bestow upon him. I like her option, as opposed to the guy’s option. Laurel is right, if the place stays secluded, but is already known about, it will be doomed, and the guy’s sap will be pointless. Additionally, I think killing Harold is a humane approach, as it is euthanasia of a mortal person who is suffering from severe boredom, but he is not completely miserable. So the question is: Do you grant Harold the end to his mortality he desires, or do you have him reach his maximum potential, thus helping the world around him? Tough choice.

Why? Its like vitamins or fertilizer. It doesnt make life harder by heavying your work load, it makes you better so you have the potential to do more

Avgel I don’t think that would be the case, if his body works like actual trees. For example, if you look at birch forests, they’re all interconnect like Harold seems to be in game and they still live for centuries, like most other trees (if I’m not mistaken, this is from an article I read some time ago and may not be totally accurate.)

That's wonderful. :)

That's deep..

Oh, man, is there a link!? But if not, it's still a great story.

Your fan fiction is actually the more sane line of thinking. You don't meet a stranger asking for a suicide, and then you kill him. You would actually want to know a bit more of him, talk a little bit, spend some time, that actually makes perfect sense in a real world scenario.

@@BillyKamp That was my thought, so many situations are restricted by the nature of the medium, more than once we have to make a choice that is pretty black and white only because its missing the nuance of how a real interaction would play out between real people. For Oasis, it probably wouldn't have made sense for Bethesda to have invested months of work, hundreds of recorded lines of dialogue and scripted events for a few extra branching conversation options for a relatively small sidequest, and really they already put so much. I just wanted to do justice for the character and assuage my own curiosities so I filled in my own blanks so the choices fit the "full" narrative, at least the one I added to. I had some interesting conversations with the frozen folks of mothership zeta, I was taking Japanese(I did rather poorly, lol) in high school at the same time of this playthrough so i had a lot of fun not just being unable to understand each other, but having humorous miscommunications based on my very limited understanding of the language. Damn I loved this game...

He already grow our of it Get his a tree

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Wood you stop? Lol

Dabadibadooba so you dont count Fallout 4’s lore

@@mariusandreassen6477 "one of the oldest", not "the oldest"

OH HELLO THERE yeah thank you missed that

Marius1 DK lol it's ok

Wow this is my 2nd most liked comment for me in all time

But that is a reason to live. Helping others is a reason to live. His connection with Yew is a reason to live. Suicidal feelings occur more often than they are the answer.

@@shorewall Having someone need you sometimes makes someone want to live, but it's not always that simple. Having a reason to *have* to live is not always the same as *wanting* to live. It's like turning it into a chore he's forced to do forever and ever. There's no option to make it *not* a chore for him, which means to me, there's no option to make him *want* to live out of anything more than obligation.

Here's the thing, choosing to sacrifice yourself in order to activate the G.E.C.K is completely different from forcing Harold to live because YOU have the choice of sacrificing yourself while Harold has no choice in the matter.

@@MogGamer821 exactly.

"The greatest things come only from hell"

yeah when faced with difficult decisions i just mindlessly trot out phrases that mommy taught me, that'll help

bob is a synth

No matter the choice you feel bad, kill Harold and you end a beautiful friend ship, make Harold grow against his will and he basically becomes just a resource not a human. It's a hard choice but I think killing Harold is the only real good choice. It isn't the best choice but, it's a neutral choice

Maybe. I think that choosing Laurel’s option gives Harold a truer god complex though. He is already worshipped by a cult. So, if he were to be the source of a revitalized wasteland, then he may be seen as a holy figure throughout it. Though, this option may give him a shorter life than the sap, because he will have to work harder. The question is: Do you grant Harold an end to his mortal life, or do you make him become something greater than himself, that can affect the wasteland as a whole, for the better of humanity?

Technically, no matter what choice you choose, Harold becomes content with what's happened.

if you can make him in coma and give the liniment, you can fulfill harold's wish while favoring for the greater good

I mean, I agree, but I also feel like whoever would say that is likely to then say something completely deranged that I would disagree with strongly.

Ur telling me that if atlas was real holding the sky and he told u I’m in pain shoot me you would kill all life on earth for one dude