I'm now going to explain how instincts pass on through family bloodlines, how instincts are an intangible, almost psychic ability, and how Plato's Theory of Forms ties into Jonathan and Star Platinum~
I like the idea that George protects his descendants after his death to atone for his mistakes with Dio and Jonathan, so that's why there's coincidences like Joseph sending Kars into space, Star Platinum learning Time Stop, Crazy Diamond being able to counter all of Killer Queen's abilities and Josuke's death being undone, Giorno getting the arrow or Jolyne getting a better life as Irene.
Star platinum is not Jonathan reincarnation, it's Jonathan's (and the Joestar bloodline's) will incarnation, the indomitable fightning spirit of the human nature
You can spend as much time as you like discussing how this theory is wrong, but all you need to do is bring up one piece of information: _Jonathon, of all people, is the least likely character in the entirety of Jojo to throw a dog at someone like a soccer ball._
I think that Star Platinum is, rather than Jonathan himself, is Jonathan's will and heroism within Jotaro. When looking at Jotaro, he's pretty unlike a Joestar, he's pretty rude, isn't really about being a hero most of the time and is different than any other Joestar both before and after him. However, because we _know_ that he's a Joestar, we know that deep down Jotaro is someone who carries the same good will and heart Jonathan had. I think that those Jonathan-esque qualities are represented through Star Platinum itself. Even its name kinda alludes to Jonathan. Star, from the star arcana in tarot cards, represents hope and positivity and stars themselves have been guides to people, it represents Jonathan's heroism and how he's been the example that all of his descendants followed without them even knowing. Platinum is often regarded as the most valuable of the metals, it shines brighter than gold and is stronger than steel, which would represent Jonathan's unyielding will and heart in fighting Dio and evil. He could've easily chosen to side with Dio and stand on top of the world, hell at the end he could've sided with Dio to save both himself and Erina, yet his platinum like heroism always kept him on the path of justice which still guides JoJo's to be the heroes they're meant to be. Star Platinum together then is a name that can refer to the qualities that make Jonathan who he is. I'm probably thinking _WAY_ too much into this and most of what I've said is just not true, but I really do think that Star Platinum is meant to represent Jonathan's spirit and willpower that's within Jotaro rather than be directly him.
I actually like this sm + I agree, I have always thought that star platinum is a representation of what makes a Joestar! He's more like a symbol While Jhonatan is THE JOESTAR lol I really like your explanation
I think you're missing that the heart of gold under a facade, is already done. By Joseph, the main difference is Jotaro put his behind a stoic facade, while Joseph puts it behind a trickster's facade. Both characters have this very explicitly shown in their first couple of episodes.
Completely agree. Through the unholy machinations of Dio, Johnathan’s body is forced to be reanimated in to existence. It stands (HAHA) to reason almost by instinct, Johnathan’s will would be inherited by the strongest, most capable (at the time) Joestar.
@@D_YellowMadness Jonathan is easily influence by things around him spoiler but Johnny also is example of this, Jonathan grew to become gentlemen not same for jotaro without the same events
The moment i clicked on the video, i did think it sounded too much like a joke video, and the first four minutes did prove it kinda is, and yet it isn't, it's like a joke video and not at the same time, impressive. Great video, as always.
To me, this theory would spit in the face of what Jotaro represents in the series: He was heavily modeled after Araki’s favorite actor, Clint Eastwood. He molded Jotaro in the image of his ideal hero, a loner who comes and goes to vanquish evil and deliver justice while seeking no fame and keeping their emotions within. What’s important is that Jotaro’s part is about him fighting DIO, the ultimate evil of the first 6 parts of the series. Stardust Crusaders is, in essence, the ultimate conflict of good vs. evil in the series, and attributing that to Jonathan being Jotaro’s Stand takes away from that. Jonathan was never meant to be DIO’s ultimate foil and polar opposite, that role was filled a century later by his great-great-grandson.
My name is Yoshikage Kira. I'm 33 years old. My house is in the northeast section of Morioh, where all the villas are, and I am not married. I work as an employee for the Kame Yu department stores, and I get home every day by 8 PM at the latest. I don't smoke, but I occasionally drink. I'm in bed by 11 PM, and make sure I get eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, I wake up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I was told there were no issues at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who wishes to live a very quiet life. I take care not to trouble myself with any enemies, like winning and losing, that would cause me to lose sleep at night. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight I wouldn't lose to anyone.
I actually came into this video fully expecting there to be some kind of massive debunk at the end like with most crazy widespread theories like this, but you actually lulled me into a false sense of security with the "it actually explains that same type of stand thing" lol
I’d say it’s not him but his will passed on to Jotaro thanks to the family curse. I mean it could explain why Star Platnium looks similar to Jonathan especially with the shoulder pads.
I like to think Giorno is a successor to Jonathan as well just because of how his stand is about creating life which we’ve seen Jonathan’s hamon energy do. I also like to heacanon that because I think it’d be hilarious that, in Dio’s attempt to potentially create his own successor, he accidentally created another Jonathan.
5:37 Another, although this is more of a joking master, Stand shenanigan for Star Platinum is Star Finger; that move is just weird and was for beating Power. It's still funny that Stands can manipulate their size at will, from The Lovers fight as Silver Chariot and Hierophant Green did this. Also funny that Stands can just go through physical objects like when Jotaro used Star Platinum to pump his heart.
5:44 time stop is because dio and jotaro both in some sense shared a similar feeling about wanting time to stop, wanting things to freeze, or just the feeling of being trapped and like time is frozen or unchanging, Dio obviously with the coffin, there is reason for jotaro aswell but i just forgot it, so if i remember ill edit this
i loved watching the likes jump up as the first viewers of the video reached the bit where he started yelling at us for being stupid and that he made it all up🤣
Something about jojo that always intriges me is stand rules. We are told so many stand rules and they regularly get violated. In my eyes when a stand violates a rule it shows how powerful that stand is in a certain way. Notorious BIG is a great example. My dude died. Wou violates almost every rule, and bites the dust is a completely unrelated to explosion ability
Where in the lore do stands break rules. Every situation has a explanation and just cause araki introduces new concepts that doesn’t break pre-existing rules?
FYI Anubis’s user died hundreds of years ago and the stand became independent. So yes a stand living after it’s user died is entirely possible. Ghosts exists in JoJo. Ghosts and stands are intertwined since they are both representations of the soul. A stand essentially acting like a ghost like B.I.G or chariot requiem is entirely possible. There are many examples. Also Bites the dust simply gained a new ability. The whole way the ability works is if someone finds out Kira’s identity. They literally blow up and time rewinds. Kira was all about hiding his identity and this ability ties into both his motives and bomb ability. Did you pay attention at all?
@@jackbruno953 harming a stand hurts its user and vice versa. Wou this doesn't apply to because hes equally a concept. Some stands can reflect damage dealt to them back. Back to wou, they've said a stands distance makes it weaker unless its a remote control stand. He isn't a remote control stand he simply exists near people pursuing him even if toru is away. Roadroller was evidently a threat to star platinum, tho that could just be a thors hammer thing. Stands being a manifestation if users will, neutral stands kinda mess with that as do sentient ones
if you squint REALLY HARD technically it makes time implode I guess? So it's TECHNICALLY related to explosions. What I can't get is why it's screwing with time, does that mean if ANYONE who already has a Stand gets stabbed in the main body their new ability is related to spatiotemporal shenanigans on top of their own ability? Like when you get stabbed in the Stand the Requiem messes with souls?
@@jackbruno953 if anubis isn't a bound stand then he's a sentient one. That fits what I said he's so special in the department of his control as a sword he carries their will after they died. Bites the dust's ability does factor in kiraras will, and I admit the whole "every stand has its own unique singular themed ability (less requiems)", was a rule I was told about before watching jojo, mainly by vinesauce.
My headcannon is: When DIO obtains the world, Jonathan sends a distress signal, to not only awake their stands but to prepare Jotaro to face DIO, causing him a change of attitude to a more stoic and unnerving one and giving him part of his soul to awake a stand that is similar to the world and be able to beat DIO
How would Jojos look if this idea was 100% intended and true? Imagine Dio seeing Star Platinum and getting a chill of fear as he realizes that stand looks like Jonathan.
The only thing that could make sense if jonathans “fighting spirit” stayed with his decedents and it was mostly on jotaro because of his fate on getting a powerful stand It wouldn’t make sense that jonathan was reincarnated
Yoo i always thought it was johnathan the blue hair and the outfit plantinum wears resembles that torture armor he wore when fightin that goon wit the chains
Jonathan's story is the catalyst, Joseph's is the world building in the time gap, Jotaro's is the riding action and climax, Josuke and Giorno are the fallout, and Jolene is the resolution.
I’ve always loved the theory as its mean it took Joestars to take down DIO but araki was never too keen on fanservice like that. The reason why it spread so much is cause a lot of tourist skipped part 1 and 2 and those who did read/watch those parts, it’s been a while
how do people think part 1 and 2 arent connected? jojo is like star wars, the one you follow is not the true main character. DIO is the main character of jojo.
I think a better fan theory is Bruford being a stand user and having the same stand as Yukako's Love Deluxe. At the very least it's raki making a nod at Bruford and his hair abilities.
In my head, SP is Jonathan. Every time SP got in close range of DIO, everything seemed personal. Jotaro, did not have the same expressions as SP. When sp save jotaro from being decapitated, there’s something about the look sp gave DIO. That’s just my head canon. I know the evidence says otherwise
tbh when i first started watching jojo after seeing gifs for Star Platinum punching people , i thought Bruford from part 1 was Star Platinum ,cuz after he gave Jonathan his sword (luck) then granted (pluck) for his future, i thought he that he will become a stand in part 3 as Star Platinum to protect the Joestar's bloodline from evil .
This is a half baked theory but I always felt like if Jonathan was a stand he'd be Crazy Diamond. It just never felt right for the loving and peaceful johnathan to be a stand that can only punch and stop time, while Josuke's stand has the ability to revert damage and mend wounds. Along with the facts Crazy Dimond has those same defending abilities as Start Platinum and Josuke is more closely related to Johnathan than Jotaro is
Here's my theory (kinda) You know how "Jonathan's STAND" pretty much looks and works the same way "Hermit Purple" does, but kinda more refined? And than Holly Kujo also having a vine-based STAND? In my theory Jotaro Kujo originally also had the same(ish) vine based STAND as his ancestor, grandfather and to extent his mother got. So what if spirit of Jonathan Joestar "fused" with original (possible yet another) vine-based STAND of Jotaro Kujo, transforming it into Star Platinum? Since Jotaro was his first descendent that was young and strong enough to wield such a power. Also the idea that Jonathan's STAND is basically HERMIT PURPLE (same as Joseph's) while both Jonathan and Joseph being practitioners of Hamon aka the Martial Art known as Sendo (literally "The way of the HERMIT").
The desire for Parts 1 and 2 to be integrated more with future parts is honestly, to me, less wanting Stands integrated into the lore of 1 and 2 and more about wanting vampires, Hamon, cyborgs, etc. to be more used in the later parts. For instance if Jolyne had Stone Free not able to manipulate the strings via its own natural ability but instead did it with Hamon that she somehow picked up, it wouldn't have changed how she uses it outside of maybe some fringe cases where they might need some tweaks if she was being asphyxiated at time of use but it would have been neat. It could have added an extra layer of tension to a few of the part 6 fights where Jolyne potentially could have had her breathing disrupted.
idk i remember when first watching part 3, that i just instinctually figured that star platinum was an embodiment of the joestar fighting spirit, especially that of jonathan's. It seems to be sculpted by fate that jotaro was born with that fighting spirit to destroy dio.
It makes more sense that it’s a more figurative passing down the torch of defeating DIO SP had a lot of connections to Johnathan: 1. But of a stretch but Jotaro looks like Joseph who looks like Johnathan and SP looks like Jotaro 2. SP is similar to that of a Mayan warrior, which would be both reminiscent of what Johnathan studied in archeology and the relation to the stone maps that cemented the family feud 3: technically both were the last DIO faced and was ultimately defeated by before he in someway did the same to them I like the idea Araki took Johnathan’s line of defeating him as a ghost but not literally him Jotaro I think is more of the representation of the Joestar will in the fullest form. It is probably also that all of this is the reason why Jotaro and DIO have the same type of stand; their fate was in stone from the very beginning.
Someone already explained it but I feel Star is not John himself but a part of him in Jotaro, Star represents John's heroism and bravery, Diamond represents John's kindness, Gold Experience is his literal life creating with Hamon mixed with DIO's cruelty, and Stone Free is his intelligence and resourcefulness. Every Joestar has a part of John.
I feel like I'm one of the only few that actually liked Phantom Blood. Dio is such a fun villain and I love how Jonathan is just straight up the ideal man and hero to be.
My head-canon is that Jotaro *himself* is Jonathan's reincarnation. More satisfying if Jonathan's *alive* to punch DIO again after the body-stealing shenanigans at the end of PHANTOM BLOOD -- on top of everything else, from Dio B's actions in PB through all of DIO's chicanery in STARDUST CRUSADERS.
Funny evidence in support of this: Star finger is actually unrefined (or maybe refined) zoom punch, Star suck (when Star platinum sucked up the old lady's fog) is from his disciplined Hamon breathing.
Ahh yes, those times when Jonathan himself is a reincarnation of Star Platnum, with his Hamon still inside his body fighting Dio back, and with Dio’s stand The World being actually also being Jonathan’s stand….Yes this is what every jojo theory stacked looks like. So Star Platnum the World is basically JONATHAN’S REINCARNATION: JONATHAN’S STAND Oh yeah, Green Baby is also Jonathan, man, guy just can’t stop reincarnating
The thing about Jonathan becoming a ghost is on the same level as people thinking Avdol originally assigned The World to Jotaro before sensing it was already taken and giving him The Star instead because of that one meme edit being shared around as fact
I think star platinum is the representation of the fate of the joestars have to fight dio and by using Jonathan as a kinda base for star platinum it can finally in a way bring his story to a end his body free from dio and can truly rest
I think Star Platinum being the incarnation of Jonathan's Indomitable Will makes sense in-universe and from a meta standpoint. Every Joestar received traits from Jonathan, so it makes sense that as DIO returns from the "grave," fate imbedded Jonathan's strength and will into Jotaro. Which provides a concrete answer as to why Star Platinum and the World are the same stand.
one thing that should be talked about but was not is that Jonathan gifted the tools to defeat dio to every member of his family, from holly to josuke, since in the story dio takes his body and this body later on sends a message to it's descendants after hsi body is pierced with the arrow. you could think of it as jonathan handing over the (P)Luck over to Joseph Jotaro and Josuke
honestly it makes sense, I'm disappointed but not unsurprised that Joanthan isn't Star Platinum, at best it's always been a fun idea. Heck the idea that Jotaro is Jonathan's reincarnation holds more weight than it being SP...
Ive always headcannoned the time shenanigans with the World and Star Platinum has to do with the true nature of The World. Ive always believed The World's true ability is to tap into all the stand abilities of the Joestar family, so the time stop ability actually belonged to Star Platinum as his speed was a slow manifestation of said power
The jjba community amazes me with thier sheer stupidity and how easilly they belive what ever they hear with out checking the actual series.Still to this day i have seen people explaining miss information to newcomers as facts.The most reccent one ive seen is some one explaining how in part 4 josuke was suposed to use bites the dust to time travel back when he was a kid and save him self but araki scraped the idea l,when in reality that never was the case and people just gaslit thier selves and a lot of others to the point where most people actualy think that its a hard fact.I cant understand how most people just belive what some one on the internet says with out fact checking and simply takeing thier words as gospel
I don't understand why you say that part 1 and 2 are not as connected to the main plot. Part 1 is the beginning that sets up the MAIN VILLAIN of the entire series. He's defeated, but not forever, and that's left to be ambiguous even at the end of part 1. Part 2 is a bit out there, because it's not really connected to Dio, but the characters keep referencing the disaster that happened to Joseph's grandfather, plus the stone masks and Straizo come back and we get some explanation to how and why the masks were created. Part 3 is all about Dio, he's back in Jonathan's body, then he's finally defeated, but he still has a loyal servant hiding in the shadows. Part 4 and 5 has absolutely nothing to do with the main plot. Part 4 just features Jotaro and the stand arrows are retconned so that they can establish some sort of connection to part 3. Same goes to part 5, Giorno being Dio's kid is never a plot point other than the first few chapters with Koichi. And then finally part 6 connects back to the main plot albeit with another retcon, because why would Pucci ever let Dio just die, then proceed to wait over 20 years just to pull a prank on Jolyne so he can bait Jotaro into the prison and get Star Platinum. But once again the story is about Dio's remaining ambition and plans against the Joestar bloodline which is the main plot of the series. TLDR: The main story of JoJo is part 1, kinda part 2, part 3 and part 6. Part 4 and 5 are side stories.
stands are the physical image of a characters will or fighting spirit (i cant remember exactly what a stand is dont bully me T-T) so the fact that people think Jonathan is star platinum makes sense.
It's not a thing among just JoJo fans. Almost everyone obsesses over interconnectedness and multiverses and minute possibilities being strung into abstract theories these days. Sometimes, something is just what it is and nothing more.
Jonathan had a similar stand to Joseph. So no. The world was not Jonathan’s stand. That was Dio’s. But because they shared the same family tree due to taking over Jonathan’s body. Dio and Jotaro got similar stands. In the same part the Darby brothers were introduced and also had similar stand abilities.
To be honest, i always thought star platinum was very similar in design to bluford, the undead knight that gave Jonathan the sword pluck. His spirit (and respect of the joestar will) returned to help the descendants of that young man he found righteous in undeath.
Hamon Beat not gonna like this one! edit: nvm, but nonetheless this is a W video. good points, good editing, but i will say talking could speed up a bit, viewer needs to understand what you saying but i felt like 1.5 speed is where it was the best to listen to
