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I appreciate the video. My only mission is to help people systematically improve pain-free ability. That’s it. Thank you for being willing to look past any BS and differences and share positivity. I just subscribed to your channel and will be a follower of yours from now on! Thank you for sharing the mission of helping others!!!!!

He's legit. I had massive knee pain a couple months ago before I started listening to him. Now the knee pain is now reduced by 95%

Garage Strength is open minded in praising another expert to this degree. Thanks for avoiding ego and defensiveness. Great video

This guy is so convincing that I am actually considering buying his program. I've never even considered buying anybody's program, ever.

Kneesovertoesguy kind of genuineness is the same reason that keeps me returning to your videos. I can feel your passion for strength and conditioning. Keep it up!

His mobility and flexibility is off the charts....

He's real good about being incremental in his approach. Knees over toes guy is a big fan of Tom Platz.

It’s stunning how many peoples “injuries” are just a lack of mobility. Don’t get me wrong, there definitely are injuries with long lasting or even permanent symptoms. But some are not even injuries at all.

I agree. The split squat with the bouncing for "tendon bathing" was a main factor in my increased mobility. I'm feeling better than I was all of last year. No more achilles pain, knee pain, and I'm nice and looooose

So glad he made this mainstream, now i don't have to convince my athletes to do this work . I have been doing this forself for 20 yrs , i have excellent knee health at 42

When you said lengthening is strengthening I subscribed to your channel immediately. Im a therapist and thats what I say all the time. The longer the arm the more strength you need to move it. 1000% most important thing I say all the time to all of my clients no matter the age or physical ability. Looking forward to adding your videos to my knowledge download. 👍

From what I've seen from KneesOverToes training principles is an emphasis on full dynamic range of motion combined with Elasticity training and a blend of Plyometric and Explosive Strength modalities. It's Yoga combined with Strength, Jump and Tendon Training

For football I was taught to stop at 90° and never let the knee go in front of the toe now I actually believe my knees are weak bc of it

I love his generosity in evaluating the merits/demerits of another RU-vidr. We're all helping each other. I'm humbled by the expertise of so many RU-vidrs, professionals, and laypersons.

I could never afford a personal trainner , im glad that i found Dane Miller and Ben Patrick videos to guide me !!!

People that readily recognise quality in others mark themselves as open to ‘new’ ideas and in turn worth listening too! Hence why I was already sub’d to both channels.. Another piece of quality content 👊😎

I very much admire the way you are not at all jealous or suspicious, by complementing the knee over toes guy, you actually make yourself look smarter.

Fun to see Ben's growth! Passion will truly drive success when backed with a tireless work-ethic. Proud of you man, way to grow! Feel very fortunate to have been a small part of your come up in the jump space! Excited for you to use your platform to elevate the industry. Great work Dane on the vid!

i recently stumbled on you both wish I was 20 yrs younger, better late than never cheers amigo

my father is 77 years old now and doing split snatches for 50 years now, on German champion level and still competing at the European Masters. He has zero knee issues.

he is legit. if you suffer from knee pain then do his exercises and see whether or not your pain will be gone.

The split squat technique (excluding the front heel lift) is exactly how Charles Poliquin taught it (having spent more than a few weeks with him in courses in Montreal)

I’ve been a member ATG training (kneesovertoesguy) for about 6months now. I can definitely jump higher and it has completely reshaped the musculature of my chicken legs! 🍗

Seeing you cover him made me really happy. You are my favorite strength and conditioning coach on RU-vid and Ben is my favorite knee rehab, jumping coach. I'm literally going through his program so I can do the stuff you train, and it's helping tremendously. I did everything the doctors said after my knee injuries (only go to parallel, no knees over toes, etc.) and it made my knees worse. Started looking at Oly lifters compared to power lifters, body builders, etc. and noticed oly lifters had way better mobility, vmos, and joint longevity. Checked out KOT guy and realised everything he was saying was backed up by what I was learning (he says he learned a lot from Charles Poliquin). His program is really thought out and incremental, but he'll bump you up if you're ready. Looking forward to eventually doing more of what you teach. Wish I knew this stuff decades ago.

Pretty cool to see a well schooled professional like Dane admit that some of these "fringe" guys actually have some serious value to share with the field of S&C. And as mentioned, none of it is new, Ben is just bringing it back into style. Very cool.

KOT is legit, but like all workouts and conditioning plans you have to go at your own safe pace and the man behind it makes that clear. I have been doing the range of motion exercises and the pain from my once dislocated knee is definitely improving. When I go on a hike I am not as sore afterwards and I feel a natural confidence in my body that has made hiking more enjoyable than ever. I appreciate your attitude towards new ideas. Definitely subbing to this channel.

I love all the historical examples you gave, great to get context as to when and how these ideas and exercises gained popularity and began influencing training practice. I wanted to critique your statements on nordics though. Nordics do produce beneficial morphological changes on hamstring architecture (1) (2) with the most prominent being increased BFLH fascicle length, which is longer in faster sprinters(3), as well as increased intramuscular collagen. However these adaptations are mainly seen in the first 6 weeks (I can't find a source for this easily, if I'm misremembering it wouldn't be for longer than 12 weeks). One of my undergrad lecturers was the author of (1) and when discussing sprint improvements from nordics he credited it mainly to morphological changes rather than eccentric strength. I've heard this same sentiment from a coaches such as Cal Dietz (very prominent in the track & field world). Also Chris Beardsley has a great write-up on this topic (4). Also of note is that sprint training produces similar adaptations to nordics (5). Nordics are arguably much safer, though any athlete trying to improve speed should be placing far more emphasis on actual sprinting than nordics so should be getting those adaptations anyways. Also nordics are very non-specific to sprinting in terms of joint angles, joint rotation velocities, inter-muscular coordination, RFD, and other factors. Specificity is obviously less important in low level athletes (anything works), and progressively more important in higher level athletes. A recent meta-analysis (6) found very small improvements in sprint times from nordics though noted that this improvement was prominent in untrained athletes and much smaller in more advanced (team sport) athletes. Nordics look great in most studies because they are done on untrained individuals or sub-elite team sport athletes (slower and weaker than elite team sport athletes or sprinters) over short time frames. Though they tend to fall short in performance measures when higher level (faster and stronger) athletes are involved. Whether this is due to their non-specificity or lack of continual morphological adaptation or both I'm not sure. If those athletes you referenced had weak or short fascicle length hamstrings, or were having injury problems, then your use makes total sense. However as a long term speed enhancer I don't believe the evidence or theory supports them. I have no idea why I spent as long as I did on this response, covid lock-downs make you do weird things. References 1 - Impact of the Nordic hamstring and hip extension exercises on hamstring architecture and morphology: implications for injury prevention. bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/5/469 2 - Effects of eccentric training at long‐muscle length on architectural and functional characteristics of the hamstrings. onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/sms.13770?casa_token=Gp-wxE_1mUYAAAAA%3ANslVJz84b9lx4TbyPx9ids5H-CVfcYm-r-JjakutjsQJOFk3H3YJs66w1q-iitn5wR4d3Y-NlhWgQVVhEA 3 - Sprint performance is related to muscle fascicle length in male 100-m sprinters - journals.physiology.org/doi/pdf/10.1152/jappl.2000.88.3.811 4 - medium.com/@SandCResearch/nordic-curls-enhance-sprinting-ability-by-increasing-hamstrings-active-stiffness-95a9af077919 5 - Sprint versus isolated eccentric training: Comparative effects on hamstring architecture and performance in soccer players. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7012429/ 6 - The effects of the Nordic hamstring exercise on sprint performance and eccentric knee flexor strength: A systematic review and meta-analysis of intervention studies among team sport players - www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S144024402100061X?dgcid=rss_sd_all

I recently found your channel and it is incredible the amount of invaluable content you have made available to your channel. Your critique of another channel and the class that you did it in, just made me a lifelong fan and subscriber!

the step up and the tib raise are my favs, make my knees feel smooth and stable the split squat is catching up v quickly, it improved my knee mobility

I’ve never watched your videos but am a big fan of kneesovertoesguy. I expected this to be a negative review. (So glad I was wrong!) You are so knowledgeable (clearly), but also humble, to not just accept, but embrace some of the ideas from this new guy to your area of expertise that I hope you generate even more viewers to your own channel. I’ll certainly be one of them. Cheers.

I know this was already talked about, but the positivity is contagious! I enjoyed you being self-reflective in that you talked about ways you can improve your craft from seeing what somebody else does well.

Split squats=bulletproof knees

I sorta think that KOTG draws the missing link between strength, mobility, flexibility, power, speed, athletic and gymnastics training.

Great commentary. Not fanboy praise, not shitting on what you may have reservations on. You just earned a new subscriber.

He gives credit to everyone he’s learned from. Very humble in this regard.

Developing my vmo helped me reduce knee pain tremendously. Thanks kneesovertoesguy!

I'm nearly one year out from mpfl reconstruction after a lifetime of dislocating my patella, unfortunately the first 7 months or so I didn't really have a good experience with physical therapy for recovery, at the beginning of this year I found a good PT but I still feel very behind and now have patella tracking issues, not able to go downstairs still Etc but one thing that I really want to take from his videos is the significance of walking backwards. For some reason that's something I'm still struggling with but I didn't realize how much of an impact that has with your overall movement so it's something I'm going to be incorporating in my daily physical therapy. I appreciated your break down!

This video got me feeling all mushy inside. lol You're right about the negativity/competitiveness and downright jealousy dominating the fitness space. I didn't know I was this tired of seeing it. This was a really nice, honest change of pace. Kneesovertoesguys name brought me here, and I now have another source of beneficial content. This is exactly how we spread good information, capable people building a capable community. Then guys like me learn from your stuff, and make our own, and the cycle continues. Great stuff. Best of luck with the growth!

Coach Dane, I, too just discovered Kneeovertoesguy and enjoy him. Your endorsement can only help him help more athletes and regular folks like me. I play tennis 4X a week for 2 hours and work out a little with bodyweight. To hear a world-class athlete like you and see Mark Bell of Rogue Fitness enjoying Ben's work is echoing as you say, time-provens with new innovations. Thanks, Coach Dane.

Dude great video. I thought you were going to just criticize the guy but you did a great job of being critical but mostly positive and taking aspects you liked. Really refreshing video and it made me subscribe to your channel. Love the humility you show!

Thanks for such a positive outlook on a fellow coach. There's not enough of that online so that made your review far more enjoyable. Thanks for taking the time to make this video. Very informative.

Now we just need a shoulders guy and I can fix all my joint issues. Just starting to work hamstrings and working on lengthening them I've felt my knee pain drop dramatically over 3-4 weeksm

Thanks! I have been wanting to see what you thought of this homeboy. He has great concepts, but just like all of us athletes we can all bring something to the table of human performance.

First time seeing any of your videos. I’m supporting you and subscribing because you’re honest and spreading the truth instead of trying to deter people learning something new that could change their life for the better.

Great video. I really like KOT Guy and have been doing his stuff as much as I can, but I definitely like hearing critiques of his methods and message, as with anyone, because more nuance and information is always preferable. Glad to see more and more people are getting into KOT Guy's stuff because I for one have had really great results in a short amount of time, despite previous injuries and stuff. Had knee pain and discomfort from ruck marching for a LONG time, but a couple weeks of stretching like KOT Guy suggested and I feel NOTHING! Now for my ankle, which I also messed up rucking...

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Critical analysis done with respect, knowledge and wisdom + an open mind. Very Rare to see in this world these days. Thank you 🙏💪✌👏

His loves his work He is into it All day everyday forever ❤️🙏

2 ACL surgeries here and after a week of just the split squats(incorporating the other exercises now) my knees feel much stronger and more stable plus my hip flexors are getting good stretches!

I appreciate it when men support other men. Great video man.

Great review. Loving how you (and probably every other wrestler) showed a moment of reverence when KOT guy put a clip of Alexander "I do step ups with refrigerators" Karelin. Moment of silence for the GOAT.

Don't know how I hadn't come across your channel before but great stuff, you have a new subscriber! I am a semi-pro rugby player with a lot of knee issues and after doing these excercices for just over a month have noticed a big difference in pain and mobility

honest and humble evaluation. Kudos to you sir. Both Modest and Mentoring.

So helpful, you confirmed what I sensed from studying kneesovertoesguy's body of work

I called him a genius in his comment section and he actually responded to my comment and said thanks. He's actually responded to every question I've asked. I'm probably going to be able to exercise with the intensity I need for much later in my life because of this man.

I am almost halfway through this video but I want to praise you for all the good things are saying about this guy. Even things that you don’t agree with you have a nice way of saying it. Much respect!

Hello coach, at garage strength. This is my first video discovering your chanel and I have subscribed and like this video due to how you approach other peoples content. Mature and respectful, I admire your opened mondedness and honesty, I look forward to watching further videos of yours and growing from them. Thank you.

His system works. I have been doing the zero level for 45 days so far and the improvement in my knees is amazing. His system also covers shoulders and back both of which I have also seen great improvement. For context I'm 52 years old an have spent the last 20 years playing a high contact sport, beating the crap out of my joints. The ATG system was a game changer. I appreciate your honest critic of his information. I have subscribed to your channel now as well and look forward to learning from you.

I really appreciate your review of kneesovertoesguy! I just bought his book and hope I could reverse what years of military abuse has done to my knees. Really enjoyed your review, no ego, just an honest review. You've got a new subscriber because of that honesty, thanks again!

Very informative review on the knee over toes guy. Cal Deitz has been preaching the split squat for a while now too. You are so right, this stuff has been around for a long time and its great that is coming back around. Nicely done sir

Thank you for the video! Removes a lot of skepticism! Can you do a video on Naudi Aguilar functional patterns please? 🙏 love your work

dude with beard: "i'm definitely stealing that from knee-over-toes-guy". also dude with beard, five min later: ""lengthening is strengthening"... don't steal that knee-over-toes guy" lol

Your statements approx 4:36 to 4:51 are spot on. I remember some of this stuff from when I ran, and from early bodybulding/physical culture. We've "lost" alot of knowledge. Mentioned knee pain to a friend who was an elite runner, he said, "Are you unwinding? It was like a slap in the face, couldn't believe I forgot about this. Great stuff.

My background of wrestling up to college has left me injured like crazy. Been following Ben Patrick’s system for sometime. Already, my heel issue, knee injuries and back pain has been reduced so much. I know it will take sometime but I truly believe the principles daily in my life will rebuild my body to be even better than I was in youth. Appreciate his passion and overall knowledge.

Great job, man! So few people spend time saying good things about others. Glad to see there is hope :-)

Great and thorough, honest and not trying to be egotistical. I believe he mentions Charles Poliquin worked with him. I just subscribed to your channel from this. You seem like a really level-headed guy.

Learned so much from watch this video I’m young trainer and hearing from somebody who has been doing it for while gives me some assurance

LOL, the title knees over toes is exactly what caught my attention as a 40 year old who played almost every sport growing up and was told by various sources not to bring your knees over your toes during stretching or weight training.

Great to see some positive feedback from another professional!!! nice

I started golfing last year, and in golf the most athletic striking position is to slightly round your back. Just a little snapple fact to consider

Love to see professionals like you praising the work of others, it says a lot about you, keep up the good work!

Yes...length is strength!!! As my favorite person on BODY FUNCTION said " The LENGTH of ANY MUSCLE in your body INDICATES it's POTENTIAL STRENGTH and the distance thru which it can move the related body parts". IDA ROLF (the inventor of Rolfing).

I came off a knee ligament injury in wrestling.I’ve been doing his style of training for a few weeks. My knees have never felt better.

The don’t let your knees go past your toes came from one study out of Duke university in the 70s and became gospel in the personal training world. Lucky to have a friend drop that knowledge on me.

I hope this collaboration happens! Two awesome teachers.

I do red light and near infrared before and after workouts and that has finally stopped my shoulder pain. Still not 100% but it is a million times better. As for rehab exercises it's all pretty much the same. Do easy volume on the exercise and on the complimentary muscles and you are good to go. The big three hit pretty much all these muscles so if you are doing a reasonable program you should not be frail to begin with.

I was a physical therapy student and they made me believe stretching muscles made them weaker. The longer your muscles are the weaker they would be was the line of thought. I actually started believing it (although I'm an olympic weightlifter) and thought there would be some truth to it. I've become a bit inflexible because of corona and the thought I didn't need to stretch my muscles further because that might weaken them. Having started stretching again I must say I'm becoming stronger because of it. Goes to show what type of bullshit they can teach you even in paramedical professions.

I like how you compliment him and find things from. I thought you would diss his brand from a competitive stand point, but it was a very good video! First video and easy subscribe

Earned a subscriber. I subscribed because you seemed critical, but overall very positive. Excellent coach's eye good sir. V/r, -ms

Mr Ben Patrick is 1 of the hardest workers in the industry in terms of helping out the masses. The lengths he goes to to provide information is out of this world

I love how if someone becomes famous via the internet other's within the industry will make a video about them to skim some of that success using the pretence of a modest motive. He's getting the success because he's done the research and put it into practice, unlike most of the rest, and his results speak for themselves. Knowledge is key and results drive success.

He helped my knee and lower back pain, never have I felt it again💪🏿

This channel is so dope. As a former D1 football player, I didn’t think I had so much to learn. Every video you drop I learn at least one th8ing. Thank you so much for your content and delivery in all of your videos!

Damn huge fans of both of yall now

kneesovertoes guy isn't a genius, just a smart guy who notices trends. his entire program is based on addressing common imbalances that lead to injuries, by strengthening muscles that are weak for most people. it's a great system and I have a ton of respect for him for the amount of helpful content he puts out.

Ive had patellar tendonitis for awhile now and his advice and spinning a treadmill while walking backwards helped immensely.

Love the humility and open mindedness in your reaction 🙌

That butterfly stretch with weights on the knees seems like a great way to do some PNF hip flexor stretches without a partner. Pretty good stuff

I’ve introduced Jefferson curls, scapula shrugs, and scapular pull-ups into my routine for the last 2 weeks and I’ve already noticed my posture improve.

The pain in my right knee was so bad, I couldn't walk down stairs. I began the kneeovertoes guy's stuff and now I have no knee pain at all. It's like magic.

I have an ACL injury (since a week ago) because of Wrestling training and I can't wait to get healed up and do that!

This man is worthy to be subscribed to. The support man 💯

This is a proper," Real Recognize Real" moment.

Legit, I have started his program and my legs are feeling better already

Great Unbiased breakdown

I’ll definitely incorporate some of these techniques at work. Love how it can see the carry over to body work. Thanks for the content. You gained a sub in me!

Love how you addressed the age-old parroting of 'don't go past your toes' and people going down the stairs.

Thank you for everything that you do, Ben.

He has helped me strengthen key areas. As i just hit 30yrs old, i started having weird imbalances from sitting too much. He helped a ton. Also knee pain but that’s what helped, my knee wasn’t my issue!