Is LEGO DC Supervillains Canon to LEGO Batman? 

If Lego DC Supervillains is cannon, that means canonically Killer Moth got hit by a bus. So that explains why Killer Moth isn't in DC Supervillains.

It's canon. Joker stole the deconstructor gun from Lego Batman 2 when he steals from Wayne Tower.

another reason the jokers entry can be different is because the DC supervillains one is the police records so they might not be as good as batmans records.

The reason Gotham and Metropolis are so close together in DC Villains compared to Batman 2 is quite simple: Dimensions. They were literally slammed together and had to be majorly rebuilt. This would also explain the numerous design changes of the two cities.

With respect to the Joker orign conundrum, the description in DC Super Villains is from Argus I believe (or another government associated department), whereas the description in Batman 1 is from the Batcomputer specifically. So my guess is that Batman knows the Red Hood origin, but whoever keeps the notes in Super Villains doesn't

I have a Lego Dimensions related theory: When Lord Vortech ripped apart the multiverse, he caused cataclysmic events to occur in every Lego universe, including Lego DC, which had Gotham, Metropolis and Atlantis seemingly collide. However when the damage Vortech did to the multiverse was undone, the universes were probably repaired, but not fully the same. I think the events of Dimensions were likely akin to a Crisis on Infinite Earths that caused the Lego DC universe to reboot.

When it comes to Joker being the Redhood, he still surrounds in mystery - we knew he was Red Hood but why and his real name is not know. So both can be true Joker was the redhood but the rest is of origin is not know

My theory is that Lego dimensions was THEIR crisis on infinite earths: meaning everything got a new change and layout like Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Catwoman, Joker, etc. So no matter where DC is a crisis is bound to happen

The Jokers identity not being known is consistent with the first game as the first game doesn’t say who the red hood was. Red hood isn’t a legal name or secret identity.

Regarding the Gotham city changes, DC Supervillains does poke fun at the changed design, with some random NPC dialouge saying that the city keeps getting major renovations to it's look for whatever reason (or something like that, don't remember the exact line)

"shrouded in mystery" I think still works with the information given because we still know nothing about who he was before he was Red Hood. There's no identity behind the mask or under the makeup, making his true origin forever shrouded in mystery

There's also the fact that the villain profiles in this game AREN'T on the Bat Computer... They seem to be more of a police file or something. Maybe Batman knows the Joker's origins, but whoever wrote the profile didn't?

Another detail i want to mention is the fact that in one of the levels in dc supervillains, before they fight the atom, they mention taking brainiacs ship to the green lantern corps

6:49 A answer I can pull from the comics is that in later years Bruce could've figured out that the man who fell into that vat of chemicals wasn't The Redhood as in Batman Zero Year we find out that a man named Liam Distal was Red Hood but was murdered by a man who later became The Joker. So its possible that years later Bruce found out about Liam or at least found his corpse realized that whoever he fought on that catwalk wasn't even the leader but some unknown criminal.

In the last LEGO Batman 3 DLC (the Suicide Squad one) the ending has the squad catching Killer Moth and Waller saying like "let's just say my team took care of him" since he doesn't appear here the implication is Killer moth was killed by task force X

Jokers backstory could also be a mystery because he tend to retell it different ways but also because he jokes about everything so when he tell his backstory its not taken seriously

My guess is that they removed the Red Hood log from Joker's biography to avoid confusion since the *other* Red Hood is playable in DC Super Villains

I always assumed the reason everyone was redesigned was to fit better with their Rebirth designs, like how Lego Batman 3 fits with the New 52 designs. They even made an effort to include characters heavily tied with Rebirth, like Jon Kent Superboy, Simon Baz and Jessica Cruz Green Lanterns, and both Wally Wests

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I think it’s canon because the bat-cave reuses assets from Lego Batman 3, plus it’s the best Lego game in my opinion.

The thing about Joker's origin is that it was never consistent at all Batman registered the events with the Red Hood on the batcomputer, but he's the only one with that information The biography in DC Super-Villains is from the prison records, so his origin is unknown for them While in Batman 2, Vicki Vale says in one of her cutscenes that there were rumors about Joker having an accident in a makeup factory or smth So Batman is the only one that knows the truth

Joker being the Red Hood doesn't chsnge the fact that his identity is srecret, because he was still a complete mystery as the Red Hood

I think if anything Lego Batman 1 should be considered as in a seperate canon from the canon of LB2, LB3, Dimensions and Supervillains. It just feels like LB1 doesn't fit with the tone, atmosphere and overall world of the others. Plus lego Batman 2 & 3 are not really even lego Batman games they should really be called lego DC Superheroes 1 & 2, its similar to the FOX X-Men universe its not the wolverine universe but he is one of the main vehicles for movement in the overall story becuse he is easily the most recognisable and popular of them all much like Batman in DC. Thats just my thoughts.

The Supervillains game continues the story were the 3rd game stopped and teased with. So yeah it is canon. In 1st game they couldn't do big characters like big characters yet, what they could later, so the Killer Croc changed look makes sense, heck if they make like a "Skywalker's saga" type game (but even better) than Killer Croc would be big all way through. Either in comics Harley did go from her OG/better design 2 her more modern/worse design as well. The 3 Joker's comic wasn't awful, just rushed. The current run have Joker with 3 personalities, what is dumb, as the Joker would have more and the Mobius chair would't say 3 distinct Jokers in that case.

1:41 another good example is the Megaman Zero series, many people don't like the art style because the robots are much skinnier compared to the Megaman X series. However it was confirmed that the Zero series characters still look like their X series counterparts, the devs just wanted to try an different art style

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I had a thought of my own reason behind the differences in jokers backstory between the games. The red hood backstory is logged in the batcomputer while the dc supervillains bio is in police files. Batman’s personal database is likely to be more accurate and extensive compared to GCPDs files so the contradiction is understandable

You could argue even if we know Joker was Red Hood it is still "Shrouded in mystery" if they don't know who red hood was or why the chemical worked.

All I'm saying is that if it is canon, then Killer Croc fell off harder from Batman 1/3 to DC supervillains than Batman did in Kill the Justice League. Seems Drug abuse was a roadblock for Croc. Unfortunate.

One thing to note, is that in stage 8 Minikits level, in one of the display cases you could find the original Batman Cowell from Batman 1&2.

I remember the braniac ship in a level

The Atom is working with shrinking tech that he is salvaging from Brainiac's ship just before his boss fight, and immediately after that we get confirmation that the Watchtower still uses Slideways Teleporters to some degree, which I think are good indicators in the game slotting into canon as well.

My idea of why Gotham and Metropolis are so close now is that after the events of LEGO Dimensions where the cities were smashed together, they had to rebuild

The idea that because the designs and art style changed makes it not canon is ridiculous. It's based on comic books, specifically DC books. Batman and his friends and foes constantly change their designs. That Harley design is as recognizable, to me, as the original Bruce Timm one.

Killer Moth might have ended up in the multiverse sometime before LEGO DC Super Villains.

I love how the LEGO games are so loved and adored by fans that people debate over the canon for each series, wheb TT games almost never thought about that for even a second.

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Killer Croc's new design actually appears in LEGO Batman 3, there's even a line where Robin comments that he's bigger than before

6:47 if I could throw my hat into the ring, I think there is a way to explain how both biographies for the joker could simultaneously work: 1. When DC super villains biography states that “his true origin forever shrouded in mystery“ that technically doesn’t contradict the red hood origin because not even Batman knew who he truly was under that hood. we don’t know if he had a pregnant wife who tragically died, we don’t know if he was an enforcer for the mob, we don’t even know if his dad ever told him “let’s put a smile on that face”. All we know is that he had a red hood on when he met Batman and after falling into a chemical vet, he emerged as the joker. To me that sounds pretty mysterious. 2. The red hood origin could just be one of the “multiple-choice” origins that joker has given out over the years and Batman has simply theorized that it is most likely to be true. 3. The bios are not written from Bruce’s perspective, but instead, they are written from a meta-textual point of view. So they could both be accurate. The red hood story could be his true beginnings while at the same time no one knows that for sure.

In The killing joke comic joker said that he likes to keep his origin story multiple choice and in the mad Love episode of the new Batman adventures Batman explains to Harley Quinn that the joker tells people his origin but in different ways. This establishes the precedent that the joker tells people his origin but he changes it every time. It could be that in Lego Batman 1 Bruce thought that that was the origin story of The joker but over the years he found that joker was an unreliable narrator so he had no sure way of knowing for sure what his true origin is.

3:57 yes, enough time has passed for the JL roster to change, especially for a team that changes roster every Tuesday lol

If I could request a video topic, I was wondering what you take on Superboy (Jonathan Kent) in this game is. He appears in a side quest, which implies that he is a part part of the Lego Batman video game universe at this point… But then Lois doesn’t seem to know that Clark Kent is Superman, which would be weird if they had a kid together at this point in time. (unless this is a Superman returns situation where Lois doesn’t know Clark is Superman, but Jonathan is the result of a one night stand) This isn’t an issue with the overall timeline, I’m just curious how he can exist without Clark and Lois being together. Do you think he’s from the Multiverse? Is he even canon or can we write off the side quest as purely gameplay? Any thoughts?

The villain bio’s being different could be explained by the fact that in Batman you play as Batman and use his software, but with this criminal one’s it’s their in universe police files, further supported by the fact the bios are presented on a case file

as far as I'm aware the data entry of the joker being the red hood beforehand is just a reference to the killing joke comic book which was later adapted into a film i also took a look into my DC book collection and I noticed my ooshie collector guide you know those things that go on the bottom of pencils well I read through and the joker's information happens to reference the killing joke comic as well not to mention the killing joke comic came out march of 1988

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I think the Joker being Redhood and have his identity being shrouded in mystery is possible simply due to the fact that no one knows who he was before he took up that mantle. They could be referring to his true identity not just his alias as the Redhood. Also for the Gotham and Metropolis being combined thing, both those cities were smashed together during the events of Dimensions. And with the 4 year gap between games, you could say they just rebuilt the 2 cites into what they are now.

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Think 2 - Villains are canon while Batman 1 is sorta in its own thing, and that's just generally how different how Gotham looks between both games. There's no mention of the league, so I believe Batman 1 is sorta just its own canon.

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Also would Malcolm Merlyn also break the canon cause his voice actor is also his actor from the CW show ????

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there was this one guy blitzwinger who did playthroughs for LDCSV i think his name was and he asked TT games abt the robin change and TT said "Who says it's in the same universe?" so i'd recommend finding that vid.

I've always personally been of the mindset that Lego Batman 2 and 3 are connected to each other and Lego Batman 1 and DC Supervillains are set in their own continuities

I think Harley Quinn went solo for the same reasons she did in the comics, the birds of prey movie and the harley quinn animated show. Joker treated her badly. They probably didn't talk about it explicitly in the games because they didn't want to mention abuse in a game rated 10+.

8:04 also the files in Supervillains are from ARGUS so it isn’t a contradiction at all that the Batcomputer knows who Joker is

Bane uses the Dimensions design, but as we saw in dimensions, Two Face got stuck in 1920s New York in the Wizarding World… explaining his absence in Batman 3, and oddly, the design of the new two face. What if it’s a different guy?

Fun fact since lego batman two the gap between batman games has been rising. Taking two years for batman 3 and then doubling to four years for supervillians.

I remember Jayshockblast saying in a video that he asked someone at TT about the continuity and they responded with “who says it’s part of the old universe?”

I don't think the Joker bio is a mistake at all, especially because all the other bios are so good. I think generally TT realized that The Joker overall is a lot more interesting to most people if his origin is kept a mystery and always called into question. You also gotta keep in mind the times when each game came out and how the current fandom saw things. Lego Batman 1 was pretty heavily tied to the animated series, and the animated series likewise was heavily tied to the 89 movie. And both showed very clear cut origins for the Joker, even if he wasn't the red hood in either Yes the red hood is commonly accepted as Joker's previous moniker before his transformation in some way, but even that is up to dispute because the Joker is an inherently contradictory character. For many the appeal of Joker is his "multiple choice" backstory and fractured mind so having a clear cut "okay he was the criminal redhood before chemicals made him the joker" is VERY simple and definitive which simply doesn't align with what people like about The Joker anymore. So no if anything this is an improvement and keeping up with the times.

A few little notes: with the maps being different, in lego DC Supervillains when walking in gotham some pedestrian says "Does gotham look different every couple of years or is it just me?" or something like that (it was last year i 100% the game so i don't really remember) and the character selector looks like files which may just be a design choice but the character biography makes me see it more, I believe that they arent what the bat computer knows but maybe what the police know? maybe because batman knows about redhood but who knows who the person keeping the files know? that last bits just a theory, but that line in the beginning proves that even if this game isn't canon to the previous games, maybe the previous games are canon to it? also in the deathstroke mission deathstroke says that theve worked together before, i don't know if that helps or not but ye.

In my opinion, yes. It is cannon. Tt putting the little details like the ice cream factory & deconstructor gun in along with it making no sense to make a new universe for a new game. As for Joker, I think they just wanted him to fit every version they could. Lego games feel like the pull from every source possible when creating their universe. Even if the Red Hood origin is the most common, there’s still going to be somebody who might want to imagine his origin aligned more with say, the telltale games, or any other piece of Batman media with the Joker. Harley isn’t a big deal either, even in her debut in the animated series she’s broken up & got back together with joker a million times, & I think she’s been solo act in the comics for some time now.

Could you make a video about the speedrun history of LEGO Harry Potter years 5-7? It would be interesting if you explained the year warping thing.

My headcanon is that, considering LEGO Dimensions is canon, when the worlds were merged and Gotham and Metropolis forced into one another, the cities were rebuilt and left close to each other, with Metropolis being on higher ground due to the displacement of the ground when Lord Vortech mixed everything up.

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Honestly, saying that DC SV happens on different Earth is basically saying that the game isn't canon to the Batman Trilogy

Another possible reason for the change in Joker could be that between the time for LB1 and dc super villains evidence that contradicts the red hood origin could have appeared

What happens if Batman’s switched Batman’s in Lego dimensions

Pretty sure developers have stated they meant to name him Tim drake but accidentally made it Dick Grayson, so it is supposed to be Tim

There are dialogue references to Brainiac and the events of LB3 in DC Super villains, so in my mind it's definitively canon.

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My guess is to why the maps are different is A after Lego dimensions and after lord vortex's little multiversal crime. Might have had unforeseen problems. Like in the game when we go to the DC universe it's all mushed together.

the comics themselves can't decide if joker's origin is a complete mystery or if he was red hood. at the end of the day it's a kid's game tie-in it bends with the times and current comic continuity, which is why the riddler bio is interesting. as far as im aware he was never a wayne tech employee outside of forever, which is obviously inspiration for the first game. why would they bother to add that detail if it wasn't connected

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I always assumed it was canon, didn’t realise so many people disagreed with me

I really love this game, I don't really know or care much about the marvel stuff, but it feels like a lego-ified saints row 4 with a fantastical comic theme if you primarily play with your custom character. it's great, and I'd love if we could get some more of how the custom character was handled in other lego games, really missed it in the skywalker saga.

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Please make a video about "Is Lego Marvel Avengers" canon to "Lego Marvel Super Heroes", because I think, that the start of Lego Avengers (Avengers 1) happens before Lego Marvel Super Heroes, because the suits are same, and in the mission "Bifrosty Reception", there is a mention about what Loki did in Avengers 1, and after Lego Marvel 1, happens the second part of Lego Avengers (Avengers Age of Ultron), and finally, Lego Marvel Super Heroes 2, because of the suits of the characters that are more technological. Thanks for reading :D

I liked Three Jokers tho

In LEgo Batman one the data is from Batman, in Super Villains its the Police files. Batman knows, the Police doesn't

There is pretty much no reason for it not to be canon. Also the idea that Lego Batman 1 Joker died is actually a pretty interesting theory.

Or in other words "WILL IT CANON???"

Imo, Lego Batman 1 is the only game set in its own continuity as none of the events from that game are referenced in the others and I think it works better for that reason

I don't know probably

Could the events of Flashpoint be canon since we get both Wally West and Wallace West in the game?

Maybe the Batcomputer knows that red hood is Joker, but the “files” on him don’t know him

Just because we know Joker was The red hood doesn’t mean we know who The red hood was, The red hood’s identity is still unknown

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I know this isn’t related to this. But this game is SOOOOO good!!! I don’t even remember any levels I outright hate, unlike most of the rest of the LEGO games.

Personally, I consider Canon. For the designs, I I feel like you can write off different appearances as a stylistic/artistic choice. For example, killer croc started as a mini figure in this series, but ever since Lego Batman three he has been portrayed as a big figure because at that point in big figures came into existence, and the designers figure killer croc should be portrayed that way. Not to mention in some cases, they have to update the character designs to match what the current Lego sets are going for. That’s why Lego Batman three leaned into the new 52 style. This is in the same category as other video games which update their character designs as later games are introduced. Just because Mario is now depicted in a high poly 3-D model doesn’t mean that it’s a different Mario from the classic 8-bit games. As for the lore, I’d say there’s nothing in the game that can’t be explained away. I can easily see this being the progression from the already established Lego Batman game universe. Also, Gotham and Metropolis being right next to each other can easily be explained away with dimensions where they were fused together into one city. They even referenced the name “Gothopolis” from flash’s Lego dimensions side quest.

DC Super Villains got completely new character and world designs and recast a lot of the voices to align with the DCAU. Batman and Joker most notably have all new voices. It just doesn't feel like the same world.

The Joker having a mysterious origin and the Bat-Computor having info on the him falling into a vat of acid don't even contradict each other. Like. At all.

I wonder if we'll ever get a marvel villains game in the same style

Lego DC super villains is my favourite Lego game.

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