jake hey I don’t really care if there is head butting in MMA, I just found it funny that Joe contradicted himself. You can’t argue that football is dangerous because there are a substantial amount of head collisions then proceed to question why head butting is illegal in MMA. I dot really care much I just found it funny
The scariest thing to see for me happened in PeeWee football in 5th grade. The coach's son was the all star QB and we all looked up to him. He seemed damn near invincible. Then one game he got tackled into a sea of other kids and when everyone cleared out he was just laying there. His neck had snapped. He was paralyzed from basically where the solar plectrum is downwards and has to be in a wheelchair for the rest of his life before he made it to high school. A lot of our teammates had this QB complex of it didn't matter who they were they were the new king and this paralyzed kid was basically abandoned throughout high school. I spent every day with him though. He always joked that if he was never paralyzed how else would he get a physique like Johnny Bravo lol. Hope you're doing well, Travis. Love ya bud.
@@surfingtothestars it would be visual entertaining and the mma guys would be down cause they're gnarly. But damn as a bmx racer and not even a fighter I couldnt imagine soccer kicking someone's head man it would be scary
MMA is safer than boxing. The damage is more spread out on your body like your legs. as opposed to having all the damage on your ribs and head. Also The fights are drastically shorter to 15-25 minute vs 36 minute fights.
@@MichaelP-ke1tm He's not saying it isn't NOT dangerous; it obviously is. But the argument being made is that the way MMA fighters end up fighting is more nuanced, with chokeholds, armbars and other submissions and defensive strategies that makes you somewhat less suseptible to deadly brain trauma.
@@AJClaw29 you don't hear about mma deaths. Boxing is the bigger sport so you hear about it. Dude dies from mma literally a day before the askren Masvidal fight and nobody even mentioned it. When mma gets bigger you will start hearing about it.
Most UFC fighters take home less than a burger chain manager after gym fees, management, coaching and staffing training camps. It’s kind of amazing how little they actually make.
@@lt.boinks992 I thought fighters were paid to train once you get a big fight. Either way the UFC are cocksuckers for the level of greed they show. But also It is a young business and it may just be trying to ensure it is here to stay at the top.
The damage in MMA goes to your face, body, legs etc. But in boxing the main damage influences your brain. Plus in mma you can't hit as hard as you can, you basically gonna break your arms.. but in boxing you don't care for your arms and punch to punch as much as you can
@@frankie6890 What has that have to do with repeatedly being punched to the head in a boxing bout ?, getting hit hard to the head repeatedly sometimes 500 times. That's why boxers die in boxing and MMA guys don't as MMA Guys are being hit everywhere. Its Quite obvious that is what caused the brain damage. Of course bones break etc etc more in MMA , but one kick to the head is not going to systematically give a fighter brain damage.
@@frankie6890 That one full power headkick if it lands (and its not THAT common) will very likely KO the person it hits and end the fight within seconds. Punches in boxing gloves are repeated sustained hits that arent enough to flash KO you but will bounce your brain around in your skull dozens and dozens of times in a fight. Even if you get rocked and dropped you still get the standing count meaning you'll probably be back up for more punishment.
One of the reasons mma is safer than boxing is because in mma, if you get stunned and knocked down, your opponent can go ahead and finish you and end the fight, in boxing, the ref will give the boxer a chance to recover and continue the fight, and of course the boxer being stubborn, would still continue even if his body's giving up.
Myth myth. The why boxing is dangerous because they know how throw punches better. When you get dropped you most likely get dropped again or get finished while showing signs of not being able to defend yourself. MMA can get stunned fall on the floor roll in in a ball and get hit with a couple of hammer punches. When you watch the reply most of the hammer punches have been blocked by the gloves. The reff just jumps in and stops the fight giving the MMA fighter a easy way out of the fight. Then you have MMA make face "he got me" not even really knocked out. Some of course get knocked out cold.
@Luis Bolanos yeah if that was the case then boxers wouldn't need so many limitations to allow them to fight. MMA is closer to "real fighting". Boxing is much more so a 'sport', as it's literally only testing striking and specifically striking with hands and _specifically_ in standing positions around a metre away from the other fighter. Edit: because people think im not saying boxing is dangerous. Boxing is definitely very dangerous - it's a concussion roundhouse for sure. The comment i was replying to was calling MMA a sport and boxing real fighting but it's since been deleted. I'm aware boxing is dangerous, thanks
The first point he made is actually true. Look at rugby. They completely play a different way. I actually had a football coach in high school who was also a rugby coach and he was asked that exact question " isn't it worse to basically play football but without pads" and his response was "people tackle and move in a different way because they subconsciously know that safety isn't there." The padding seems to cause more damage as it changes they way you play.
Justin Ejimah are u kidding me ? 🤣😂 ufc fighters get paid penny’s on the dollar 😂 more like joe rogan made Yoel Romero’s net worth in one episode of fear factor 🤣😂
Justin Ejimah whole net worth? 😂 If you believe that your a silly twat haha.. Yoel is yet to receive 60pc of a 26M... Joe makes $100k+ per podcast his supplement company, his Netflix contract he makes more than yoel just commentating
“Skull drills”. That’s lining up across from another guy and ramming your heads into each other over and over again. That’s just one of the insane things I remember doing in football practice in high school.
Nah there are MMA deaths but there are only around 7 compared to way more in boxing however MMA is a lot newer support so we haven’t really got into the time phase where we will be Able to see fighters getting CTE
@@mushy6605 Not sure that has to do with young MMA is. For how young it is, MMA as a sport is lucky to have coincided with the advancement of sports science where nutrition, conditioning and overall efficiency has such a high focus and is the best it's ever been across most sports.
shunsuke max nah I hate this bs they’re have been well over 500 boxing deaths since the 1950s and people like you are like well idk theirs been zero ufc deaths and only around 8 or so mma deaths so I’m waiting for this proof
Statistics show that boxer's have to rely on their defense if not they will live a hard life in the future. MMA well head kicks, bones broken, man they're both dangerous!
MMA ur more likely to break ur arm or tear an ACL but Boxing ur gonna suffer life long brain trauma with the repeated blows. Gloves allow u to punch harder and longer by protecting ur hands and reducing cuts and the striking zone is very small ur either being hit in ur head or internal organs.
Alex Tafoya defense fighters fighters know the risk I analyze boxing from head to toe it’s the type fighting that will depend on your future come prepared and be defensively responsible and your brain will be okay
In high school, I had friends who would get concussions and the next day, they show up to practice and act like they’re hung over. They loved the game so much
A friend of mine died from having a concussion and playing on in the rugby match it was heartnrraking and preventable. I stoped playing for my club and only played for the school as the size and level of competition was smaller.then I stoped becuase of the risk.i started mm and boxing after and I got injured way more as a rugby player than a boxer or doing mma training. The force and size of a large rugby player smashing into you in my opinion isnt comparative to a bunch or a kick
@some random guy NFL players don't play rugby because the top players in the NFL make 20 times as much as the top rugby players. It's rugby players that are trying to weasel their way into the NFL so they can try to be a mid-tier player at best and make twice as much as they ever could playing rugby.
some random guy they tested the impacts and tested speeds of actual players from both sports. I wasn’t saying one was tougher than the other I was stating the pads make the impact 4x greater then rugby. It’s proven with facts not feelings of biases on a sport
The pads make the impact harder but the defenders are also wearing pads which protects them. Gotta give the full story when you're quoting "science". And as for rugby players not being fit enough, that's rich coming from a sport that needs to take a break every 2 minutes and has a bench of attackers and defenders. Rugby players run the full 80 without taking turns on offense/defense.
Sol Kim ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-W7tGY-VDx3o.html Go look for yourself. It is science? They had a question performed a controlled test. Got results. Tried it other ways got the same results which then they gave us the results. You’re getting very defensive about your sport. Ya rugby players can’t play American football just like American football players can’t play rugby they are completely different sports but with the pads, extra weight, faster athletes. Equals way more force impact.
Bit off topic, but uhm @Tanner Cox a 5mph vs a 30mph crash isn't 4x harder, impact force doesn't work lineary. Using the omnicalculator online a 30mph crash results in +- 157.4kN of force, with a 229g deceleration and a 'feel' of being hit with something weighing 16.04t. The crash with 5mph gives and impact force of ONLY 4.37kN, a deceleration of ONLY 6g and a feel of getting hit by something weighing 0.446t. You might want to reevaluate your previous statement. www.omnicalculator.com/physics/car-crash-force
MMA is way safer don’t get hit as much as a boxer if you add up all the punches landed in total a boxer gets hit most of the time over 500 punches MMA is a few punches and more wrestling
I have played both football and rugby and trust me that rugby is much more safer sport than football first of all the tackling is much safer and there are specific type of techniques people use to tackle where in every case is attacking the lower body or legs and anything high in rugby is always gonna be called by the ref, wheras in football u can basically tackle any way u want although using your helmet is illegal the reality it only causes more concussions and more head to head contact, also you have to take into consideration blocking , in football people ram into one another for just blocks in rugby there is no blocking, blocking is probably another major reason football is even more dangerous because in a lot of cases you have o linemen , fullbacks big guys who are usually 250lbs plus run as fast as possible to knock u on ur ass.. and A lot of the time they charge at u using there helmet as a weapon or they lower there helmet once they get close to u
People don’t seem to get that 16 ounce gloves coming from a boxer more than likely hurts more than mma fighters with no gloves (coming from a martial artist btw) boxers tend to have more upper body speed and strength
I coach HS football, I really think taking away the helmet or transitioning to a much smaller helmet would be the best situation. Right now, most teams are teaching rugby style tackling which completely takes the head out of the tackle, no need for it. The NFL just put an emphasis on penalizing/fining more OL/DL for initiating contact with the helmet. The game is being adjusted so that you can't use the helmet which is a great thing. Now think about some of the greatest NFL/NCAA Football plays you have ever seen, how many involved a head to head collision? None right? Maybe a couple? We don't need the head to head contact in the game, it can be played without it.
Adam Coburn said literally everyone outside of america. Completely separate to the merits of the sports, because i play neither, rugby is clearly far more physically demanding than american football.
I know that there is also an aspect of Muay Thai that teaches to lean in to the opponent's punch with their forehead to avoid getting hit in the soft tissue like the nose or eyes. This gives people the impression that Muay Thai fighters are really tough but it is just a trick. I must say though this makes Muay Thai fighters mentally tough, teaching them to go against their basic instinct of retreating from danger.
When i played football in high school I got a concussion and couldn’t smell shit, couldn’t hear out of my right ear and my coach just told me it would be better in a few days, and I finished the rest of practice and played first string tight end the next day. I knew something wasn’t right with my head but my coach said it was normal so i sucked it up..
Old comment, but still….. that’s stupid. I’m all in favor of being tough and pushing through pain and discomfort, but doing something that can result in permanent damage, for no reason other than practice, is stupid. Injuries like that may never fully heal. And they need to be taken more seriously. And all of this over high school football? It’s a game. Simple as that. It isn’t worth damaging your brain over.
As a boxing fan I’d say this MMA is safer than boxing Take submissions out of the equation Boxing gloves have more padding than MMA gloves and as such you are less likely to knock them out. However the real injuries that come from combat sports aren’t the one punch knockouts. It’s the 12 round beat downs that aren’t competitive but also aren’t stopped due to the “winning” fighter unable to get the KO partly due to the more padding on the boxing gloves. You’re more likely to get long term damage by getting a sustained beating than getting one punch knocked out
too my understanding and time fight amateur that the gloves size is more hand protection then for the opponent at 10-12 oz you feel it i would say just as bad however every thing else i agree with.
Tj Caranese oh yeah, gloves are there primarily for protection for the boxers hands. Just what I mean is that you’d see more knockouts with 4 Oz gloves than 10 Oz gloves
I watched a buddy of mine, who was a former pro soccer player, headbutt a guy unconscious in a bar fight lol. He grabbed the guy by the ears and just slammed the top of his head into the guys face. It was BRUTAL. That wet thud sound is bone chilling.
Ever since CTE blew up with the NFL i was always shocked that boxing and MMA wasn't brought to the forefront and put on the hotseat. This is the first time ive ever even heard someone say anything about CTE in Boxing\ MMA.
The reason why is because people sort of knew about CTE in boxing, not such much the in depth medical science behind it, but boxers/fighters were always becoming punch drunk. That in itself steered alot of parents away from allowing their kids to box/fight. Where as in NFL it basically was assumed a "safe" sport with all of its padding and protection, so lots of parents actively encouraged their children into the sport without any knowledge of very possible brain injuries.
I would say that Boxing might be a bit worse...WHY? Because in MMA there are many ways to defeat an opponent, that don't include a K.O. i.e. submissions, chokes, where Boxing you are always going for the K.O. (to head)
What is that logic?! In mma you can knock out but also break bones and choke people out, the gloves are much harder, just look at the aftermath of boxing fights vs ufc fights. It clear which does more damage. Now for the brain trauma, getting a leg kick or elbow to the head or face is worse than getting a 14 or 10 ounce glove tot he face. Its a fact, its bone on bone.
@@tkdamusicman Yeah you probably right, I think the thicker gloves causes more rattle of the brain on impact, leading to more brain damage (rather than your bone/skull being damaged)
Mma is 100% safer and as an mma guy I am proud of that. Its weird to see all these pro wrestling fans yell to everyones face how that is more dangerous than boxing or mma. I think those guys have some selfesteem issues.
Is sparring in mma safer because the punches are not so frequent and there is less power because of the mma gloves? I am only talking about brain damage because i want to restart kickboxing or start mma and i want something with lower risk of brain damage.
@@Christian.Raduescu the mma gloves are more dangerous because lighter gloves hit harder unfortinately. Sparring is usually done in regular boxing gloves. But in the end every combat sport is safe as long as everyone knows how to spar lightly. Dont join a meathead gym and you are good whatever it is that you want to do.
The football helmet point is actually pretty reasonable I’ve played football and rugby for five years and have been concussed multiple times in football but never in rugby
Much more dangerous. Sparring more often, bigger gloves allow you to keep punching and not hurt your fist. You get hit more to the head in boxing and if you get knocked down, you can just come back up during the count.
The most skilled fighters are boxers the only reason people revert to using anything else besides punching is when there losing Or have less confidence in there hands a wrestler can’t run up on a boxer and just go for there legs he’s gonna catch multiple uppercuts and hooks your also not just gonna kick a boxer in the head 😂 a kick is easier to see coming then a punch and do course I’m not talking about scenarios where it’s like the best martial artist/wrestler in the world vs some okay boxer but put the best boxer up from whatever weight group up against the top wrestler/martial artist from the same weight group the boxer is winning those fights wrestling and kicking are good to use if you know your not an expert puncher it’s good to be well rounded but if your an elite boxer that’s all you need
In mma you have more control than you do in boxing, meaning you can block more, though in mma you can get head kicked very much and kicks are much harder than punches
Mma is unquestionably safer in boxing you spend your entire life from start to finish getting punched in the head being it sparing or fights and your facing guys that only train to do that....in mma your spending half the time grappling in training and even in fights probably only half of them will be against stand up fighters Regardless they all should be respected for risking there lives for us to watch
I'm not too knowledgeable on MMA or boxing but wouldn't boxing be more deadly because the head is targeted 100% of the time. Where in MMA ground game and submissions happen quite often.
Kyle Clancy that’s a relatively new thing being taught with heads up football and the rugby tackle. Back about 20 years ago it was not uncommon to see a safety spear a defenseless receiver in the side of the head. Now that would be an immediate ejection in most levels of football
@@danesesse that's what i thought, football is every week, and that's pretty stupid for people being concussed every game.. Mma have rules how long you have to lay off after you get finished or ko'd
Its repeated head shots that accumulate that end up killing a trained fighter. It's better to get knocked out in one punch than to endure many hits to the head. The headgear doesnt prevent the brain from bouncing around in the skull. These guys have so much heart. It's sad af. Wrestling is probably the safest combat sport. Though I've seen a teammate get knocked out during a meet, it was bc the other guy did an illegal over the shoulder slam onto my boys back of the head and neck. Controlled slams are a rule in wrestling, at least in high school.
Boxing is incredibly more dangerous. The fighters hit harder, the entire fight is your vital organs being attacked, if you get knocked down, you get back up and continue the fight.
The boxers don’t hit harder lol. A leg kick is a lot more powerful than any punch. Not to mention Ngannou holds the record for he hardest punch ever recorded .
The evidence definitely suggests Boxing is more dangerous than MMA. But they brought up a good point about sport versus fighting. Boxing is definitely closer to a sport than MMA, but that’s why in my opinion boxing is often more entertaining. Some MMA fights devolve into just clinch work and ground and pound and there aren’t as many visually impressive striking exchanges as in Boxing. That’s not always the case but it’s interesting to see the chaos of fighting compared to the isolated skill sets in a sport.
I think mma is more dangerous in the short run and boxing is more dangerous in the long run. In mma youre more likely to get a broken bone that isnt a hand like your leg toes plus the training is more intense thays why mma fighters are always getting injured in training. Boxing you take more damage to just the head for longer periods of time so cte is way more likely
It's a pretty blurry line as a parent between MMA and football. It'd be hard to argue one is safe and the other isn't. There are safer options for both, rather than 11 a side in football, play 7 on 7. Rather than MMA, have your kid do a specific discipline that focuses more on grappling than striking (like wrestling).
Gotta remember a good majority of college football players can't even read or write so basically they're a cash cow for college's seeking that Natty and professional teams looking just to fill seats.
Mario Alvarez I’ve broken bones plenty of times in my hands and honestly it’s more of a nagging pain then agonizing, I doubt with the punishment they take a finger lock of any sort would make them tap
@@rdmwwhite3866 i would have to slightly burn my hand just to transfer the receptors from my index and pinky . and i was in agony for 3 broken ribs for about 3 weeks
They dont play like that in rugby though, they tackle with actual technique to prevent damage. Ive never even played rugby but i still know always tackle with your head up otherwise hf in the emergency room
Rugby players use their shoulders and acc have proper technique not reliant on pads or helmets. There’s also a high tackle so u can’t tackle someone above the chest like where the nipples.
Boxing is more dangerous, constantly in the head, where ever you get hit with gloves, you always feel your brain rattle a bit. Boxing is more internal. Which is worse. AND LONG TERM.
Rugby players are far superior than NFL players the endurance needed for rugby compared to the NFL is worlds apart and the 80 mins of hits without the ludicrous NFL padding. ( some players have thin shoulder pads underneath the top). I know gailic football, ozzy rules have some mad challenges but I have never watched it so I can’t really comment on how though they are in comparison.
Luis Gomez is a lame and doesn't know shiit about fighting or comedy... and what's said is he tries doing both for a living. Headbutting is one of the worst ways to get hit. If you have experience fighting you would know this.
Like MMA fighters don't get rehydration there is video of cyborg crying because she has to cut weight. MMA fans just can't handle the fact boxing is the most dangerous sport. I read a comment saying MMA is more immediately dangerous than boxing because they get cuts 😂
@@robertobrien3571 exactly, real fighters learn discipline and respect in there gym. Anyone who fights for a gym will try to avoid a fight as best as possible.
I feel that even though mma gloves and boxing gloves produce about the same amount of force that the softer but larger glove contributes more towards concussions because of the extra bounce of the gloves.
@@archiebaines2246 Nah, you don't hit even half as hard. Pussies. Shoulder charge is illegal in rugby. Even hockey has that. That's like MMA without punches or kicks
Lando-Mcfly ur chattin shite mate no scientists have come up with that bollocks, you wear protective gear so it can’t possibly hurt as much. Without the gear fair enough but it is what it is.
How do u know which was the worst for your brain? Btw I’m not being patronising I’m generally asking from ur experience of all 3 sports how could u tell which was doing the most damage to ur brain.
@@gavinsfreind4112 I've never got ko'd or dropped from a shot but I saw the black flash only while boxing. I saw the white flash many times in all. I'm 56 now and can still throw together a sentence.
Jeffrey Rose Oh right fairs; I’m 17 and have always played football (soccer) but have just now recently stated Muay Thai and I’m fucking loving the sport and want to continue but I am generally concerned about the long term damage on my brain. Anyways it’s good to hear about ppl who have done combat sports with little consequence afterwards. 👍
@@gavinsfreind4112 There is a test you can get that will tell you if your are most likely gonna have problems when older. Certain Gene's have very bad effect on brain trauma.
In boxing,, boxers punch harder than mma fighters cause that's all they work on all the time,, power punching skills. In mma the kicks are harder cause that's part of their game.
But the ice makes it less dangerous its extremely hard to throw very powerful punches on ice because to punch strongly you need to pivot hard to povit with no friction on your feet
Last MMA knockout ai sawz th guy started having a seziure. Everyone watching it were saying it was fine as though sezuires aren't a result of a brain trauma serious enough to completely shut it down.
Boxing hands down. Consecutive head shots from your opponent will cause brain damage, it's more frowned upon to just give up in boxing than lowkey grabbing a superior BJJ specialist and letting them submit you. Head kicks are dangerous but those are rare and the reffing is pretty fast to stop after they see you down, in boxing you got the 10 count and boxers continue with a concussion.
