Is More Than 60 FPS on a 60 Hz Monitor Better? 

From 16.7 to 50ms? Thats a huge difference

I'm very confused by this video. Correct me if i'm reading it wrong: is your graph showing that any input command will tied into monitor refresh rate with Vsync ON? and will be left freely with Vsync OFF ?.

That is correct, Hardware Unboxed. When I played certain games, like Mass Effect 2/3 (by changing an .ini file) and Deus Ex HR I immediately noticed the added input lag, it anoyed me so much that I immediately quit playing it and disabled VSync and yes, after that the game ran a lot smoother. You mostly notice it when you move the mouse, the change of the camera on the monitor lags a lot. You can easily tell that the input lag is considerably more than double compared to when VSync is disabled. Apparently 1/20th to 1/10th of a second is quite noticeable for humans, I know that for out of sync sound even less than 10 ms. is noticeable. Give me FreeSync: no tearing and not much added input lag. You did kind of explain why it more than 50 ms instead of 16.7 ms but it would be nice if you would be more elaborate on that part, it is the most interesting: the entire pipeline.

I also can confirm out of experience that 85 FPS runs better on a 60 Hz monitor than 60 FPS for the same game. You really do notice that it is more smooth. For example, I used to play Borderlands2 with Fraps on to test out PhysX (AMD card, PhysX via CPU by 'hacking' a file).

It's complicated by the fact that the system is still rendering those extra frames then it has to sort out the frames it's actually going to use so there's an increase in latency due to the frame sorting that occurs.

im not watching the video but i let it on so he gets some watchtime

he really deserves that

very amazing

Dark Matt'erZ people like u should get an award

Many creators focus on videos for Patreon now, so could be the reason why it's formatted like that. I think some channels like LTT make different cuts of the same video for Floatplane and RU-vid with maybe few differences in flow/format to suit their click baity titles on RU-vid but not every creator would spend time on something like that, which maybe why this video gets straight to the point? Even sponsor spots on HU, JayZ are usually way better, tolerable and also informative and enjoyable even compared to LTT so it can be digested by paying customers even if these channels leave it in.

Jarrod'sTech like a damn person can see the core at all....duh

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Kushagra Juneja my joke ---------------------> u...

Jarrod'sTech thats why i have a 3 core phenom.

r/ wooosh except twice

I overclocked my gaming chair to 6,5ghz on all 64 cores

@@widowmakerx7 It doesn't work that way, but you can always use RGB ;)

@@hades6933 LOL xD

@@xtraucox had no choice, it was so small I sometimes couldn't find it. So now I just use a remote to turn the RGB on and boom. I can now use my penis when I please.

This one got me😂🤣

Is this a joke?

Popcycle well if u got ran in ur pc u prolly get good FPS cuz that shits prolly new

Popcycle no he’s being serious... fucking moron

@@ruufiss9922 "got ran" what in the hell does that mean lmao. Even if it's a joke that still confuses me.

@@plasmaoctopus1728 ram*

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I once waterboarded...

Uhhh

Dafuq?

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He meant that backwards

Nicholas Baker No he didn’t. He gave the reason early on.

He explained first then gave the reasons for his explanation

Nicholas Baker 135 likes suggests otherwise.

@@nickolagi bruh just stfu

William Peng the link please

William Peng yes lol

The link

T H E L I N K

@@ghawkins7106 www.refreshrate.com

They will execute u there m8

witchcraft wasn't something taken lightly back then

I feel like that medieval dude trying to process this info

Coronavirus is here guys, no 1000years

I'm sure they had 340fps gaming back then

Good for you mate. To me, it just hertz. 💀

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Underrated joke

I feel a bottle on my neck!

Lmao i read this underclock

Not if you got 64bit eyesight

Your Pc requires more ram if you can only see 4.

it can see 16 GB of ram easily !!!!

But only in single channel.

And all this time we have been downloading ram for nothing...

Still so many retards have disliked this video

240hz display basically renders all of this a non issue. Although wallet tearing and income stuttering are potential side effects.

I use fastsync, tim talked about in the video.

I have a gsync monitor with an isp panel so it's 4ms response time but with the gsync hardware U avoid the input lag produced from vsync so it balances itself out

M. V. Shooting get ready to pay a lot

Yeah, flexable refresh rate would be the best solution. Some cheap alternatives to try: either "adaptive vsync" (it holds vsync aslong as FPS>Hz, and runs without vsync if FPS

DarkReturns yea they mentioned this video coming months ago from my recollection.

No shout out though

JayP Tek where's Steve? He's pay off the team right

Yeah buddy, you're the chosen one. They made this video all because of you buddy! Congrats!! 👏 *We're not worthy, we're not worthy*

Me : YES

This is the only correct answer.

1,000(there's no dot)fps is enough.

@@laos85 1000 fps is a bit extreme dont you think? even with my 2080 i get 400-600 on most games

@@mikethepublisher7910 human's eyes can detect 1,000 frame per seconds max so that is all we need.

Say what

@@ShaneStanley109 what

Eh?

should i r/whoosh the comments ?

@@metameow1 no no no

Yep lol

@Elijah Ken tearing

Lmfao if you turn on vsync it's completely unplayable experience, everything is just too slow.

Lol and this is exactly what he said

I have a 60 hz panel so when i turn vsync on i cant aim at all in cs go... But after turning off its better fps and better experience.. so refreh rate and fps no relation...

It's enough for good games. Crazy low latency is only relevant for bad who's-got-the-faster-jerking-reflexes type of games. But who gets enjoyment out of sitting in front of a screen like a zombie and just jerking at the first indication of something moving, right?

SCARLET★STAR I don't know man, so many excellent games have been ruined by the choice to go for half refresh rate. I'm not even talking about going for 144hz, just 60hz should be the minimum for something to be considered a playable game.

I can't believe people like Scarlett exist, fast paced games are extremely popular and fun. I can say from experience from playing in CSGO eSports for a small time and I enjoyed every minute of it. Just look at the top games on twitch, a lot of them are fast paced. And even games like 7 days to die which are more slow and methodical feel 10x better with at least 60FPS (pls optimize that game)

RoseWolfz Prime 30fps is unplayable in almost every game.

30 is okay on a TV for me. With a monitor the chopiness is way too obvious

Thx

Ty

For what? Skipping the entire point of the video?

@@TheGodEmperorOfMankind_ most of us dont need all the technical stuff. Just summary with a simple explanation

Thanks

yea i can't stand tearing it's really distracting

@@jebus456 breaks the immersion

Thank you

thanks

Thanks

Funfact i dont get the conclusion. So techinally its good to have fps exceed refresh or?

@@icebear1342 yes. But it may cause tearing. Technically speaking, you will feel the same "smoothness" when comparing 60 fps to say 90 fps in 60 hz. The difference is that in higher fps, it will provide some benefit such as reduced input lag etc. To conclude, you can only see the smoothness of 60 fps in 60hz if that makes sense. In higher refresh rate say 144hz, you are able to feel the smoothness up to 144fps. Even moving the cursor felt buttery smooth.

Your punctuation is still better than mine tho 😂

Same here, lol..

Worry cus hard is English

@@gqld1001 yies

i always match my lag with my fps works wonders in CS xD

Jo

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No. Screen tearing will lower your performance

@@chrissouthall411 lol

i play the same way. In league of legends i let my 1080ti gimmie that 200fps with no vsync, but in ac odyssey i gatta have vsync on, otherwise i might as well play on console like a pleb and bring shame to my family.

@Jonathan Soko nope i agree because withourt vsync it doesnt feel as smooth

I would say fast or enhanced sync for competition. Artifacts can easily cause you to miss a shot in a twitch fps.

I would say no sync is best sync, even in casual, single player games - just get decent hardware.

@@zatozatoichi7920 v sync in control panel works best for me

I have to recognize that I consider the input lag of the gpu far from being as bad as screen tearing. With Vsync and a serious enough gpu then you are exploiting the maximum capacity of your monitor without having an image that makes less sense for giving informations than a slightly delayed but clean picture

Thanks Vinay, appreciate it.

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@QUAD849 Actually you are slightly wrong here. More fps= Less input lag. So a higher fps is beneficial for competitive games such as csgo where every millisecond of latency counts.

Yor dad is my girlfriend

Agree! But still you have to know how to use those technologies(G-Sync or FreeSync) so your input lagg is not negatively affected.

Rahul129K Either use fast sync or cap the frame rate to double or triple the refresh rate of your display on csgo or any other competitive games.

Johnny Appleseed If you want to keep your input lag at a minimum, you still need to limit your FPS. 1-2 FPS below your maximum refresh rate in order for G-Sync or FreeSync to work properly and kick in.

Battle(non)sense video about fast sync showed that in some situations fastsync can cause more stutter and inconsistent frame rates than Vsync so be careful with that

Marco Rovinelli Finally someone that does get it!

are you an osu! player? How would I enable fast sync in osu?

Aye, osu! is the game I use it in primarily. You're gonna have to do it from the Nvidia control panel. go to 3d settings, then select program settings from there. you should be able to choose osu! from the drop down list, but if it doesn't show up, you can just add it. the option for fast sync appears under "vertical sync" all the way at the bottom. alternatively you can just make it a global setting, but i'm not sure how that will work for some games.

Well, I always disable any type of vsync in osu. Usually the game runs at 800 fps with background video and above 1000 fps without. Strangely, I never notice any tearing on my 144Hz monitor. (Maybe I suck and can only play easy maps? I usually play at 4-5 stars though)

Oh, I have no issues running the game. But it most certainly tears running above my monitor's refresh rate, at least in Mania mode. personally i'm still waiting on the price of 240Hz monitors to come down to help alleviate it further, but it's definitely there. I generally only play 2-low 4 star maps, but all the maps i play are over 220 BPM, so the note move very quickly, and that's how i've come to notice the difference.

Oh, I see. I only play the standard osu mode and taiko mode. Tearing is not noticeable at least in those modes.

Mishaal Dawnak Factually accurate

Thought it was gaming chair equals more franes but idk

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@@hajmardi3658 actually faccurate

What mean?

Heyyy explain fast sync

Like Tim showed, FastSync (or AMD EnhancedSync) uses three buffers instead of two; GPU renders frame to buffer 3, moves it to buffer 2 when completed, and monitor swaps that into buffer 1 on each monitor refresh. So if GPU can render 2½ times as fast as the monitor, it won't have to wait idle for the monitor to swap buffers any more. Buffer 2 will be much more recent than without FastSync/EnhancedSync but is still a complete frame, meaning less input to display lag and no screen tearing, giving a smoother experience. Also if your GPU cannot keep up with your monitor, FastSync/EnhancedSync will simply let your monitor pull latest incomplete frame from buffer 3 directly to its buffer 1 (gives screen tearing but less input lag). Oh, you were probably joking on second reading :P oh well, still a good brief synopsis of Fast/Enhanced Sync I guess :) might also be interested in RTSS RivaTuner tool's scanline sync function, which tries to shift the screen tearing line to the bottom or top of your monitor so it's less noticeable; then you can disable Vsync or FastSync/EnhancedSync entirely :)

@QUAD849 nah limiting ur fps will cause input lag. I tried.

@QUAD849 I used fps limiter and never got input lag. Believe me it's better thank v sync.

@QUAD849 But isn't vsync limiting my framerates? I can't go over my monitor's refresh rate with vsync, so it's also limiting my framerate.

V sync basically just syncs your gpu to the refresh rate of the monitor,so if you have a 60hz monitor but your gpu does over 120fps,you can either stick to 60hz or turn vsync off for faster reflexes.

hz is a diminishing return, the "vast" majority of the benefit you speak of is up to about 120hz/fps, going "much" over 120fps/hz is of very little benefit to most people, you are generally better off at a higher resolutions as in 1440P with 120fps than 200fps at a mediocre 1080P, its all about balance.

U r right 😊

@@Battleneter man i have a dumb but great solution to this (ignore my grammar lol) Firstly you set refresh rate to 144hz and play , then go back to 60hz, it will be bad at first but after some time you'll get used to it, Then next day, or a few days later, try turning on 144hz !! Bang ! You got a smoother experience ! In this way you can always enjoy 144hz like fresh new!

@@satyam5241 lol nice

True I game 120 I for the love of bleeding eyes can't play less than 100 FPS now

@nick junior your brain can't comprehend a joke

Does this gives more fps on a 60hz monitor?

@@roelflotriet4331 Latent Sync caps the frame rate at your monitors refresh rate (or a fraction of it) just like vSync. But due to how it's done, it can give you the same input latency as higher frame rates.

@@drunkhusband6257 This is completely different from VRR. This is designed to reduce latency on non VRR displays (or when using black frame insertion which is incompatible with VRR). G-Sync also doesn't feature any input bias.

Doesnt it damage the monitor if u overclock ur refresh rate

Interesting idea about the radial refresh, that probably would be better. However it would be unreasonably complex to engineer compared to the grid design currently used

AJ C although it would probably be possible to do it on current displays, the refresh rate would be painfully slow because of how progressive screens work

Jesus Meza How slow exactly?

That would require some complex engeneering and screens would probably be much bigger, like 10x bigger, so it's better this way.

Radial refresh would have the same issues as true circular displays. Organizing the pixels in rows and columns and addressing/refreshing them that way is much easier.

WTF, how does it even feel laggy on 60hz 60 fps. Hell no maybe you're too lazy mf to play at 60fps 💀

Yellow true enough. This should get more likes!

Monitors like the 240 Hz BenQ have around 2 ms of signal processing. While individual pixels would have less input lag on a 120Hz CRT, an entire scan-out takes 8.33 ms at that refresh rate and the 240 Hz monitor can do it in half the time. The image would start displaying earlier on the CRT but finish displaying earlier on the 240 Hz TNT panel. So basically the input lag of an entire frame is 8.33 ms on the CRT and ~ 6 ms on the BenQ. If you picked a random pixel on the screen to look at, the average delay would be the same on both. And you have more total frames if you're using 240 Hz. There is really no way in which a CRT can give an advantage these days.

+Rocket Science Yes there is, CRT is more efficient at making you grow near vision and a headache.

Yo It’s Yellow the Norwegian hardcore gamer!

Makes me miss my 22" NEC monitor. Played CS 1.6, CZ, and Source on it at 1920x1440@85Hz or 1600x1200@110Hz back around 2003 ;-) till around 2010 R.I.P NEC MultiSync. Once played CS:CZ 25+ hours straight with just two bathroom breaks to go pee.

Next Xbox and PS can do 8K gaming and 4K at 60 FPS, not really a joke

@@user-vk8yq8oq7p sooo you saying the same that people Was saying about ps4 and xbox1... But instead of saying that it will be 60frames in 1080p you saying that this time will still be 60 (i think this is probable) in 4k/8k (this Is a joke, right?) So i asume you believe in that RUMOURS, right?

Read this if you want a flawless experience. It's possible to entirely remove the downside of V-Sync and be bound to the refresh rate itself. steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=668808553

I don't want to sound like crazy, but i didn't had any tearing in most games on my old 2008 samsung T220 monitor, i moved to a new Samsung SF350 and i started to have noticeable tearing on games (gladly this monitor has Freesync so that solved the issue) but still it's weird

Shao Zapomni If you cap your framerate below your refresh rate, you are dropping frames every second, by design. That is not a flawless experience for people who do not want any dropped frames whatsoever. Go away with your snake oil BS.

Dude, did you even read the post? that post basically tells how to use v-sync without the typical huge input lag trade-off, which is the ''flawless experience'' he's talking about.

SirSmokeALeet Oh hey it's you mister trying to imply something without actual evidence. Must be snake oil to provide live facts. I'll just throw it back at you and everyone else to see. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-w4KNmaWN_Qs.html And also anybody else that had actually the proper understanding to begin with reported expected results, what can you do aside using your words? Listening to the people who tries to sell you things? Quite sad, I just want you to prove me wrong but you aren't able to because you are most likely wrong yourself. No evidence, no facts.

Yo im not rly into pcs but i got like 110 fps and i want to ask you what will happend if i buy 144Hz monitor is it gonna lag or smthing

@@mihaelgolubov5609 Nothing bad will happen and if you feel screen tearing, you can always use freesync

I have no idea but try fast sync =)

I get that very same effect in Overwatch with a 120 vs 60 FPS lock (limited using MSi Afterburner Rivatuner Statistics Server, which is even better than the already pretty good build-in OW limiter) in addition to lower input lag! My guess would be that the higher the framerate the higher the chance that an entire frame will be ready just in time for a display refresh...?

Console run game at 60fps not 30

@@zyapsi7510 kinda true kinda not, some console games lock at "smooth 30fps" Like destiny 2 are locked at that soo some games go to 60 some stick to 30

@@lickmylemns3058 the only two games that don't run at 60fps are pubg and Destiny 2

@@zyapsi7510 out of major games yeah I'm sure there's more but I couldn't really care but ye some games still lock at 30 so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@@zyapsi7510 console MAX fps is 60. Go watch console benchmarks. Fortnite is 45-55fps and story games that are graphically demanding are less than 30fps

Same. Running 300 fps instead of 75 hz on 60 hz monitor is a huge difference in valorant! Finally won my first deathmatch first try

Sorry max fps limited to monitor refresh hz 144/144 dont care what videocard programs shows once it is at the monitor point it cant do more and vsync is dead most free sync or Gsync why pay for it

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You didn't understand the explanation lol

I agree with this sentiment. I kept dropping to 48 frames 4k 60 all cranked. And with adjustments in ff14. With vsync. I uncapped and shot to 120fps . Dropped it to 85 frames and its smoother with no tearing. Idk but i was willing to keep vsync for SP games to make the most our of the 4k 60, but i cant. Its slow and tears. 75 fps is the sweet spot. And all this is utilizinf gsync as well.

So can I cap the Max fps at 75 on my 60 Hz display?

@@DAITYA73 It depends what game your playing and what combination of vsync and cap you have there , if you're getting a solid 65 to 75 fps and you're getting dips or stutters, lower the frame cap in game or preferably in the nvidia control panel to 60 then go in and see how well it runs and if you still get the stuttering, if you keep stuttering lower by 5 fps at a time until its stable.

Can you tell at what value should I cap my max fps using nvidia control panel for Counter Strike global offensive? 60 or 75 or do not cap at all! My laptop can easily push above 100 fps. But as it is old it gets hot easily. Thanks in advance. Also my screen is 60 Hertz.

@@DAITYA73 As I said , say youre getting 100 fps but you get dips into the 80's cap the frame in game or in nvidia control panel to 80 because thats what its dipping to then see how smooth it is, basically whatever you 10% lows are , cap your frame limit to that or just below that and you'll not suffer micro stuttering or full on 1fps lows

Stupid question but did you change the refresh rate in the advanced graphics/display settings to the highest available refresh rate after buying and using the new monitor?

Common misconception, I thought that too as we know below 24fps images flicker/judder, but our eye's can see the difference in much higher fps. Do a quick google search and you'll find info on it easily.

I'm guessing it's because 71 frames doesn't go into 60 nicely. 72 is 12 more than 60, 12 is a fifth of 60. 80 is 20 more than 60, 20 is a third of 60. 71 is prime and there's no neat way to get it to 60 fps.

Me too

Hoooow

Why?

@@angrypepecancer5205 a lot Less input delay

What if I have a laptop with no support for it?

@@DAXminer-g1g you have to have a 900 series nvidia card or better... If you don't have it just deal with screen tearing lol idk...

Nyda GTX 1060 6gb.

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