All that defense stats in the marechaussee set finally paid off! I currently use Noelle (marechaussee/redhorn 33/240), Albedo (opulent dreams/cinnabar 59/144), Gorou (Exile,fav) and Furina (golden troupe/Fleuve Cendre Ferryman r5, 46/165) and even though this abyss pushes you to bring more hydro than that, I was able to easily 36 star it!
Little big for you guys to abuse: if you use Noelle's burst and swap out at the exact time, when the burst should run out (for example swap out to yelan and use a skill or whatever) and then swap back to Noelle, then her burst gets extended by a long amount of time. This only works with C6 and even is working when you don't kill any enemies
@@XLinkiboy pog. I might have been doing it accidently then lol. do you know how long each kill extends her burst and the max stacks for it? or does that not even effect it?
I'd love if you could make a video for Dori C6 too. There is not much out there on her synergy with Furina. Same principle as Noelle: on-field healer who got a big buff with Furina's release. Dori c6 being electro allows you to use yelan whilst getting electrocharge swirls for kazuha, giving solid ST and AoE output.
problem with dori c6 tho is infusion last only a couple seconds and a lot of the time the claymore hits end up missing the enemy since her attacks are slow and her claymore is so small it doesn’t reach
Uhh... mono geo team dmg DPS seems way too low? does this include gorou on exile for energy? does this include book trick for full CA spin? i'm getting over 72k DPS with r1 redhorn and furina c1 on 190ER...
I agree, this team definitely isn't meta shaking crazy but the numbers he displayed seemed way too low, mono-geo also should be better than the other team anyway because if you're running yelan and furina you might as well just do mono hydro with kokomi. I could be wrong tho idk
It looked like it assumed Furina at C0 with fav and R5 Whiteblind, of course, numbers will be higher with higher cons and a 5 star weapon. Doubtful it's more worthwhile to get Redhorn than Furina's or Yelan's sig instead though.
@@TheGenshinScientist dunno if you've seen it but this sheet has hyper noelle dealing a lot more damage (even with redhorn na) docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15ST5gl5rG6hd9f7BzcNbvem8jlUcvyQSjg-d9YrNmmk/edit#gid=123764839
If using triple geo you should us gouro on exile that will lower furina and noelle er needs leading to higher team dps. Also a higher refine fav is great so you can get two fav procs from gouro per rotation.
Yeah, was going to ask what artefact set he's using for Gorou for his calc about ER requirement because exile should be his BiS, even more in this team.
@@Max15691Elites enemies have a chance to drop them (like Hilichurls and Abyss Mages) So you can open your book go to the find enemy section sort by elite and kill all of them daily to farm the set.
In my experience, the only time that Albedo doesn't give my Whiteblind Noelle 100% Burst Uptime is when all the enemies die before he can generate enough particles for her from off-field.
I’m loving both variants of Noelle’s Furina teams that I’ve tried. Triple Geo is like a hyper Noelle team and I don’t know why you’re downplaying her damage. Granted I used it last cycle on the rifthound floor with the spin to win tech which was essentially the perfect scenario for her hitting 6-7 enemies simultaneously. Yesterday I finally got around to doing abyss again and used the triple hydro variant with Yelan+XQ and oh boy did it shred all the pyro enemies on the first half. It was so effective that I don’t know if I could have 36* without that team. I mean the triple hydro core, not Noelle specifically. But with Fav on Noelle here the rotation was smooth as butter. It also allowed me to play some more unusual teams second half, like Keqing aggravate and Tighnari spread. This is the first time maybe ever that I didn’t use Nahida or Raiden on floor 12 and still got 36*. The only absolute top tier units were the hydros on the first half, and I think that’s pretty cool.
Oh I should add I really hope that Navia will fit as a sub-DPS on the triple geo variant! And that I have used that team on the Fontaine artifact domain and it clears in the same time as my Alhaitham quickbloom (35-40s) so that should say something too 😊
This is Navia from another mother. I hadn't had so much fun with Noelle than playing her Furina. But I personally went giga Vertical Investment into Noelle 😂 ~Foxfire
Did you assume Exile's on Gorou? I use Festering at 180%ER on Furina and 140%ER on Noelle and have not had any issues. EDIT: ah just saw you did not assume book trick either. Fair enough, but would like to see an updated calc with book trick included - not sure how many CAs you ended up assuming so not sure how to modify the final number accordingly. Book trick also means CA is better than NA combo with Whiteblind.
Of course your Noelle damage is low, you're using Petra. Petra buffs the element that gets crystallized, but not geo. Try Husk or Bolide for better results.
It's great to see Noelle getting that recognition now. Unfortunate people don't give much credit to her own damage or going spin2win that reduces her damage. I'm going to keep using her in mono geo because it's the playstyle that I like (because I'm that type of geo main haha) Edit was correcting some grammatical errors
This currently my favorite Noelle variation as well. YunJin isn't perfect, but I think people are sleeping a bit on her in this comp; I'm not sure that people realize that the normal attack damage buff from YunJin's burst is also amplified by all the damage bonuses and the crit damage value of the on-field character. If Noelle is on Serpent Spine, YunJin could be contributing almost 10k damage per enemy hit by Noelle by the time Furina's fanfare is maxed out, and that adds up fast - especially in AoE.
@@sadmansikder8354 Haven't tested yet, but in single-target, with Xingqiu the dmg can be competitive. Also that allows you to trade basically all ER into offensive substats. Against multiple opponents however, i would almost always prefer Kazuha.
Yes, Noelle just has advantage in AOE and tank and possibility of buff using petra set. I think Kokmi is a better option in team without Yelan so double hydro Kokomi+Furina and idk some dendro and electro for hyperbloom or quicken
Noelle furina yelan albedo comp is the one I really liked. I like albedo bcs he takes no field time, you can set his flower before whole rotation and it will survive till next rotation unless it gets destroyed. Hence you lose less time of furina burst casting your setup. You kinda need favonius in that comp as your geo particle generation is kinda low but it still does hurt a lot
I really appreciate the team analysis, especially the ER part but even if it looks good in the calculation, in practice I really don't like the team shown here that much (I tried almost every single Noelle team variation). Yelan is 100% single target which means her DPS fell off significantly the more enemies is on the field (4:49 73k DPS is impressive but that is 2 5 star with 2 SIG and only against 1 enemy) This is especially the case in Abyss 12 first chamber (or some previous event where countless enemies respawn within time limit). When there are 2-3 enemies Noelle's DPS basically increases with them, most people don't have Furina or Yelan BIS cuz the weapon banner is a scam, and your F2P option is probably Fav/ER weapon anyway which means the best most flexible option in most situation is Noelle, Furina, Yelan, Albedo IMHO as Furina being able to buff everyone on the team instead of just herself and one hyper carry 8:50 BTW If you use Noelle as the main carry with Gorou, use Charge attack, your healing, and DPS will skyrocket while the Yelan team is forcing you to use normal attack only, and remember, this DPS is on a single target, when there are 2-3 enemies, your DPS goes up to 100k+ as Noelle can sweep the floor and even Albedo and Furina have some AOE tho it would be difficult to hit more than 2 enemies at once for them and when there are many enemies mean there are many energy particles so ER isn't a huge issue unless you are soloing boss but at that point use different build and team comp and you good. Basically, although I get it, the math doesn't lie but in practice, I really disagree with Noelle team having "not exciting DPS". I run Abyss many, many times with so many different teams (I have 40++ chara lvl 90), and Noelle team although not top tier, it can easily compete with Meta teams in clearing the current abyss assuming everyone is at C0 (c6 for 4 stars) (National/Rational, Xiao, Wanderer, Hutao, Freeze, Bloom, Quicken etc). The fact that Noelle is almost indestructible and able to shield the team when their HP is low making the run much smoother and causing so much less retry is also not something to be underestimated, her true value is not pure as DPS nor single target after all. Like seriously I tried some variation of melt/reverse melt team and although they are powerful, they are so annoying to play in Abyss 12 cuz of how squishy they are and lot of team that usually can survive in abyss are struggling in current 12 cuz of how much dmg and attack that goes through shield is happening (Xinqiu+Beidou usually able to easily carry team through abyss cuz of how much dmg reduction and minor shield and healing they can do but I struggle to run 12 without healer right now). Also sometimes people forget that bosses or just floor in general come in waves/phases so no matter how high your DPS is, you probably have to do multiple rotation to clear the stage which mean the DPS matter less in comparison to clear time, having continuous DPS can be a downside but can also be a strength. For example Ayaka Freeze on paper have crazy DPS against both single target and AOE but if the enemies dies without taking the full burst and new enemy spawn in completely different location you have to do the full rotation again anyway, this is true for Rational, Raiden hyper, Eula and many other similar team too. Or sometimes if you do too much dmg you might start a wave without energy which mean you have to gain energy to do burst and losing a lot of time battery at the beginning or the end of the stage. I love Raiden and I have her at C2 but srsly sometimes being too powerful can be pain so I almost always have more ER than the calc said I need for comfort in case my rotation isn't perfect. Anyway, in the end, it depend on the kind of stage you are facing, the level of investment you have with each character, and constellation. I think at C1-C5 Noelle would be best used as pure support and healer with Petra set, even at C6 she would be able to do well in this role, especially against a single target where investing in Geo isn't the best option but the moment there is more than one enemy (and you have C6 Noelle, which most people do at this point) investing more damage into her and Albedo or whoever is the 4th flex slot is worth it So in conclusion I fckin Love Furina man, although Noelle receive many indirect buff since the beginning of the game until now, they never made her able to shine or compete in the meta but now, I think she is easily able to compete with the average 5 star team and not struggling in clearing abyss anymore which is everything I could have ask for.
now let's see C3 furina and R1 redhorn, MH noelle using def/def/def at 64/200 🪨🗡 Edit: i run my noelle on 111% ER and never run out of energy, so it's weird to me that these calcs are seemingly based around 0 external particles from mobs losing hp/kills which is just not the case in abyss and most bosses are dead in 1 rotation
Holy crap. I never even thought about Archaic Petra as an option before. I got so excited about using Marechaussee with Noelle that I got cornered into the issue of her not dealing high enough damage to be viable.
Noelle can be a beast. I have build her with the Marechaussee Hunter Set. The team is set with Furina, Yun Jin, and Bannett. Noelle can be doing a lot of damage this way. It's amazing.♥♥♥
Using a Noelle f2p here, with husk and marachuse, tried both, whiteblind r5 and r1 in other account, bad artifacts and decent marachuse artifacts, nothing fancy. Not crowned. Furina C2. I tried them with Albedo, fishcl, and yelan. My Noelle, which is decent F2P, destroys everything in this game, abyss included, and the last one which was hard, which shields and all kind of shit. Used the other Noelle I have which is using poor gear and R1 whiteblind with husk, bad sub stats, the same, destroys everything. I get 100k hits with the bad one, so much more with the other. Maybe it is because of Furina c2, but for me Noelle is better than most carry in this game. Energy problems? none. About health? no problem, I used hyperbloom with kuki and other with kokomi and had problems, no problem at all with Noelle. I was using Itto last year and stopped because of how bad the geo carries were, and still they are, but Noelle now is my favorite character.
Good thing I'm a 1.0 player. I remember when everyone used to complain about how Noelle was in so many banners back then. But I predicted she'd become pretty rare as the game got older
Keep in mind that currently, the hydro off-field damage dealers are mostly single target. While Noelle damage has a very big AoE So even if Noelle's hypercarry team may have lower DPS, in many AoE situations it will still clear faster
Can you do guids one specific teams... I got this idea after watching your wonderful video... An in-depth guides series for specific teams would be wonderful... I think it will hit for sure
Would MH be better overall than husk if you run a def goblet on Noelle? Gorou also gives a bit of damage bonus along with furina's huge damage bonus buff it could be worthwhile. With husk ud be running into diminishing returns on the geo damage bonus due to gorou and mostly furina giving you so much already along with geo resonance as well.
One thing wasn't mentioned here is the fact how hard for Noelle is to get decent amount of crit rate with Husk. If you use standard stats ratio distribution it's gonna look better for husk, but realistically MH almost always gonna be way easier to build. Def% rolls also gonna be way more valuable on MH (on my Noelle these have the same value as cdmg!) and Gorou is very good steroid for offseting the loses from husk. Still, from mine testings, def% goblet shouldn't be worth it in pure damage build.
@@D0kkuri yes I was gonna mention this too but felt the comment was getting too long, the extra crit from MH really helps in making Noelle easier to build as she really gets no free crit stats and she ascends in defense anyways so you might even end up with upwards of 3k defense by the time you are done building her especially with MH because all you are really looking for are Crit damage, and def rolls
wait a minute in the last video you showed that itto mono geo does 53K DPS and now noelle with furina is 51K DPS am i missing something i thought people said noelle is better than itto now?
With the book trick that extends noelle's CA the team becomes 60k. I assume ppl account for that trick when they say noelle better. Either way, her driver teams are generally better
Id love a Dori furina guide. like other commenters have said there’s basically no information on her. she’s definitely getting dunked on far too much to the point there’s literally no guides let alone with furina.
you may not see this comment, but ill leave it here hoping to get answer from you good sir. Im a big simp for underdog or somehow underwhelming characters in this game, several of the content creators talks about how good furina with jean and noelle and few also had a dedicated video explaining how xiao works with her. But Im really curious is how she works with Dehya? there was a myth back then that maybe .... dehya will be buff by some other fontaine character. But is she really good or not with Furina?
So wait the huge buff that Noelle got is …… being a fav and Petra slave for Yelan and Furina? Lol the way how people are talking I swear the character was actually useful as a carry now. Smh.
What do you think of DEF goblet on noelle here? I've heard that it's not as good as a geo cup for damage, but would the bonus healing be worth it to increase average Furina stacks?
when you put it into a genshin damage calculator geo cup does significantly more damage. Defence for healing, but its not much better healing. Maybe 100-150 more healing per hit at most
Nope, Noelle is not a pure DEF scaler, she converts DEF to ATK, which stacks with her already existing ATK, so the diminishing returns for DEF with Noelle are worse than for example, how Furina scales purely off of HP.
The new artifact set is better than Husk (besides Redhorn) for all Furina + Noelle teams or just mono Geo + Furina? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rLaDqPrMVZ0.html
sometimes, I greatly regret those fav greatswords that I used as exp fodder during my early game... like I have none left! why didn't I use the bell to do that?
Man if would use her i should sacrifice yelan and furina signatures for a fav and that will be 60% of team damage has been removed. Recently got a 50cv def sand so i tried it but it's not that good team.
This is funny and all, but i did not played for almost 4 years to return to starter character. Have nothing against Noelle. She was useful for AR20. But let her stay there.
Is C0 Noelle still worth to build? I have C2 Furina. Im planning to run C0 Noelle, C2 Furina, C2 Xingqiu and C6 Beidou/C0 Yunjin, will building the team still be worth it? I really only have C0 Tighnari and want to start building other units since im done building Furina (She alr has crowned burst)
To be honest pre c5/c6 her damage is rather lacking, although if you the Favonius and Petra set route it could still be worth. The larger issue is that without c1 you aren’t healing every time you attack in your burst witch means you’ll likely not heal enough without a lot of defense.
There is no way you are actually recommending people throw away their resin on Petra, right??? Even with the strongbox it is just a waste, and this is coming form a Eula main who farms and uses strongbox on Pale Flame 😂
Petra was only bad because no one used Geo carries/drivers before. Now that Noelle is viable for teaming up with other elements, the elemental damage buff because immediately important to have on a team, because Noelle can make proper used of that set as an On-field carry.
Even before Noelle Furina synergy, Petra has always been a go-to option for Zhongli in a C0 Neuvillette team. The good thing is, for Noelle she just needs a lot of Def and enough ER to fulfill her role, and any crit stats found during the farming is a just nice bonus.
i'm killing any boss in the abyss within the buff window of gorou and yunjin. one rotation. that's less than 12 seconds. noelle absolutely broken. she was already before, now it's bizarre. definitely not the level a 4 star should have.
Weirdly, my Furina C2, Noelle C6 R5SS, Yelan C0, Gorou C4 had almost the same clear time as my Furina, Dehya C1R2 wgs, Nilou C0R1, Jean C4 team on first half of current floor 12. I was actually quite surprised 😅. Noelle had 4p Glad with Def, Def, Crit. And Dehya Hp, Pyro, Crit.
been a noelle main since day one, glad shes finally getting the recognition she deserves :)) i play her with gorou yunjin and yelan all with favonius weapons, yelan or yun jin will be switched out with furina whenever her rerun comes lol
Furina / Noelle / Gorou / Yunjin Is this team good since i don’t have Yelan so i think i would go with triple geo and maximize Noelle dmg and be able to lower her ER by a lot as well
What about a ninguang furina team + healer or/and prototype ambers This would work with the mh set , how good would that be? As I have a c6 ninguang laying around and I dont rly know how to use her
As a 3 years hypercarry Noelle main i can suggest: -Furina: 4 Pieces Golden Troupe with Festering Desire/Pipe weapon -Yun Jin: 4 Pieces Husk ER or DEF/DEF/DEF with Favonius Lance (try to stack at least 40% crit rate) -Gorou: 4 Pieces Exile ER/DEF/Crit Rate with Favonius Bow (Gorous except for C4 doesn't need any stat, except for ER nad Crit Rate for Favonius) -Noelle: 4Pieces Husk/Marechaussee DEF/Geo DMG/Crit DMG or Rate with Witheblind/Serpent Spine/Redhorn (with this team 130ER is enough to keep Both Furina's and Noelle's burst uptime on 100% even against single targets) If you are lucky enough to have C6 Yun Jin, Noelle's shield and consequent healing uptime will be like near 100% (every 4 hit reduces her Skill CD by 1 second), and remember to cancel Noelle's 4th attack if you are fighting hoardes of enemies: It hits hard, but is very slow. A full rotation is: Furina Skill>Burst Gorou Burst Yun Jin Burst Noelle Skill>Burst> start attacking repeat this rotation every 15 Seconds/all characters Burst is ready During Noelle's burst you can easily switch the other 2 geo's character to reapply Favonius's passive and reset Gorou's Buff with Skill
With 4pc Marechaussee, DEF goblet can also be viable especially with SS (or R1 Redhorn to some extent), to gain Furina's Fanfare a bit faster. And due to Furina's abundant dmg buff, dps output with DEF goblet doesn't have significant gap from Geo goblet.
Prime example of how just being a carry is not enough to be relevant and it's a bigger detriment to have selfish field time at that. There's a reason why Neuvillette and Alhaitham are so flexible with teams and it shows here with Noelle too despite having the downside of generating no particles. Hopefully more and more people who keep asking for every character to be played on-field dps understand this. Off-fielders are what is needed and what will allow people to run their favorites more effectively.
@@finnthedog5321 You'll still have to pull a Geo healer to make Itto work with Furina, when Noelle can already work with Furina alone. Using 2 slots in a team just to be able to do what Noelle already can is just a waste of time. This Geo healer has to do something more than just heal to actually give value for pulling Itto. I'll keep my expectations to the lowest since Hoyo never fails to disappoint Itto mains, as they haven't been eating anything since 2021.
I currently use, gorou(petra/fav),furina(goldentroupe/festering),yelan(emblem/aqua),noelle(hunter/redhorn). It destroys everything. Hoping I can get navia to work in here somehow maybe instead of yelan, switch gorou to noblesse, put furina on milileth.
what about furina/yelan/gorou/noelle? gorou on petra and allows noelle to run MH. Noelle still on fav to allow yelan and furina to go aqua and festering instead of favs, gorou def buff also helps noelle with healing you hydro hp pools.
Majority of Gorou usefulness is locked behind having 3 Geo especially if c6. Also if he's Petra that means you have to pick up particles with him, which is time Noelle isn't hitting anything lowering her damage and healing. At this point prob better using GMC/Ning/Navia.
Furina EQ > Gorou E > Noelle (E)Q > Albedo E > Noelle N3D X 2 > Gorou E/Q > Noelle N3D X 2. The Gorou buff isn't always present sometime if you immediately use Q after swapping, it depends on ping, so the E first might be necessary.
