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Is older, uhm, better? Hightower 3 vs Hightower 4! 

Jeff Kendall-Weed
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@Crimsonko
@Crimsonko 11 часов назад
This kind of bike comparison of old vs new is going to become more valuable as more brands are releasing "refinements" vs a "total overhaul". As a consumer this kind of video helps either remind people a 2 year old bike is still very good and could help a truly revolutionary change stand out. I hope we see more videos like this.
@djean53
@djean53 8 часов назад
This pretty much is a total overhaul tho. They are very different.
@zachwright688
@zachwright688 12 часов назад
I like the old vs new comparisons as older models can be had at some great deals when the new models drop. Would love a comparison of v2 vs v3 ripmo.
@Motojmc
@Motojmc 10 часов назад
Hightower 3 with a 160mm fork is the sweet spot!
@guystuff5594
@guystuff5594 8 часов назад
That's what I'm riding and I love it.
@Phantom1000
@Phantom1000 4 часа назад
Going to give the 160mm spring a try with the 200 hrs service!
@Jacob99174
@Jacob99174 9 часов назад
100% mechanical drivetrain! I really hope Shimano sticks with a mechanical option, even if they jump on the electronic wagon
@BBurton1231
@BBurton1231 7 часов назад
I don't want to have to worry about batteries on my mtb.
@harryparkinson
@harryparkinson 3 часа назад
Great comparison. Love that you swap so many components to make it like-for-like. True testing 👍
@Biking_with_Akiva
@Biking_with_Akiva 10 часов назад
What an excellent way to show off both bikes! Great review amazing riding guys 💯
@camilo4406
@camilo4406 10 часов назад
Disclaimer: this is before I watch the video but I believe yes… SC is going further down the bulldozer route which is probably great for racing but I ride for fun and I love my 2023 tallboy for that. We’ll see what the video says! Thanks as always, Jeff! You rock!
@TheMTBRider96
@TheMTBRider96 6 часов назад
That’s exactly what my friend, owner of a coil megatower felt when trying a air shocked megatower v2 Too much bike
@maximilianwrobel4937
@maximilianwrobel4937 3 часа назад
I own a 5010 V4 and I am firm in my believe that it is still the best version of the 5010. Rockshox Reverb 200 insertion length is just short enough to make the short seat tube work for me. Tbh ride a Santacruz before buying and really measure twice if the seattube can work for you. Otherwise the Seatpost will stick out like a sore thumb.
@roellecorregidor1201
@roellecorregidor1201 Час назад
I was able to snag a 5010V4 used but never really ridden. It was a steal for 2.5k. I agree, reason I bought it was because of how many full 27.5 trail bikes are being phased out. In particular the 5010V4 is awesome because I have two forks and two shocks for it, the standard 140/130 and then 150/143 with a 210x55 shock.
@Chance.B
@Chance.B 7 часов назад
Great video! I had SRAM XX Transmission for a year, but went back to Shimano XT recently, and definitely like it better. Quicker shifting is the biggest thing for me, and I don't miss charging batteries either.
@307.William
@307.William 11 часов назад
I run XT. It just always works. I’m not picky but I do like the 3up two down rapid shift
@matth8924
@matth8924 9 часов назад
TIL that a 145/150 bike is "boarderline XC".
@guystuff5594
@guystuff5594 8 часов назад
Haha I was scratching my head at that too
@clarks888
@clarks888 5 часов назад
“Short travel” 🤔
@Airboy123
@Airboy123 11 часов назад
Running SRAM GX mechanical. I like the tactile feedback from the shifter. I can push the lever slowly, quickly, single gear, multiple gears. For me, "it ain't broke".
@salesblackbird3508
@salesblackbird3508 8 часов назад
i picked up a Tower3 earlier this year ( 7 years newer than my old Focus Jam ) ... bloody hell what a difference ! I'm a trail rider mainly, some groomed, some are little more than goat tracks & rocks. For me the handling is the best thing about it - with the old bike we had a conversations about corners before they happened, you only need to think about them and it happens on the T3. I went the other way & put my old AXS on it, way easier on my arthritic thumbs with the short lever ( paddle ) throw. Mine also came with a 175mm dropper. Pretty bloody happy with it !
@Phantom1000
@Phantom1000 4 часа назад
Given the current pricing of the old tower and the new tower, it was a no-brainer for me to get the old one. Glad I did, and I am super happy to hear that the old one would suit me better in Norcal (near Santa Cruz). I have been riding 3 times a week on the old tower since I got it, and I am loving it and looking forward to my next ride every day :)
@Trailridersusa
@Trailridersusa 10 часов назад
Definitely prefer mechanical drivetrains over electric for the same reasons Jeff mentions. I constantly need to dump or up shift rapidly and Transmission just doesn’t do that yet. Both my SRAM XX1 and Shimano XTR Drivetrains smoke Electronic in the shifting speed department. When set up properly both are just as smooth as well. They are also lighter and cheaper. Kinda like MTB Unicorns. I do hope SRAM releases a cable operated Transmission drivetrain. It would be very hard to beat and extremely easy to keep it shifting perfectly. Electric drivetrains are an interesting option but shouldn’t be the only option.
@Engineers_Shred_Too
@Engineers_Shred_Too Час назад
I completely understand the drivetrain change to Shimano. I rode SLX/XT for a decade with zero issues before I got my HT3. Within the first 500 miles, my GX cassette had missing teeth and I’m lucky I haven’t had any injuries after the random ghost shifting (setup verified multiple times by my LBS). I will try upgrading to x01 to see if that helps but really wish SC offered a Shimano trim on the Hightower.
@clarks888
@clarks888 5 часов назад
I thought I’d be a ride or die mechanical, but I demoed a Transmission bike and really liked it. In my particular case I have a prior injury to my right wrist and would often feel my tendons pop and seize when pushing the chain up the cassette on mechanical. Electronic totally alleviated that, and for me it shifts plenty fast, so worth the trade offs personally. I think both options are valid and should remain available to suit different needs.
@NoBrakes23
@NoBrakes23 4 часа назад
I like that wireless drivetrains exist. When I got back into mtb in 2014 I was shocked that it didn't already exist. That being said, Shimano mechanical is far and away my favorite to ride, (Usually a mix of SLX and XT.) I do tend to use Wolf Tooth, Absolute Black or Garbaruk chainrings, along with Garbaruk cassettes, and I have grown to be a fan of Magura brakes. But the shifter, RD, and cranks are gonna be SLX or XT. Same thing on road/gravel. GRX and XT mix.
@Davidskates603
@Davidskates603 20 минут назад
If you could do the same style video on the Bronson that would be cool to see. You gave the V4 a glowing overview almost enough to convince me to ditch my V3..now there's a V5 in the mix!
@caseyschooley8117
@caseyschooley8117 10 часов назад
Love your reviews. Hope you get to do one for the new Sentinel.
@jimbo6993
@jimbo6993 9 часов назад
I just got a Hightower 3. It seems like a great all around trail bike, though I’m not near as skilled and aggressive as you guys. You can get a good deal on a HT 3 right now, which is a bonus.
@briangong007
@briangong007 5 часов назад
Agree..Shimano XT FTW!
@GeorgeFrideric71
@GeorgeFrideric71 4 часа назад
I don't know that iteration. When did the XT FTW come out?
@mikes.8305
@mikes.8305 9 часов назад
Awesome video!
@johnmccool6875
@johnmccool6875 8 часов назад
Old man blue rider along the front range…..I’m thinking old tower would be the better choice for me, especially given the sweet deals right now…..as always highly entertaining video, wish I had skills like that!
@patricklew3041
@patricklew3041 3 часа назад
Great comparison, I have been wondering which one is better V3 or V4. I ride a Hightower 2 Carbon C and its a great bike. The bike shop nearby has a Hightower 3 Carbon CC up for sale. Very tempted to upgrade that. Obviously with the 160/150 travel it rides better on the chunkier sections. As a Hightower rider, I would prefer the lighter bike as I can stay out in the trails longer. The Hightower 4 is slightly heavier, not sure how it will climb compare to the Hightower 3. Overall, both old and new are superb bikes to own.
@rwdmtb7556
@rwdmtb7556 5 часов назад
Yes mechanical is the extra most bestest! I drive a manual in my truck so I can feel the shifts, I want the same from my bike.
@rpiian
@rpiian 8 часов назад
If any of you want LMNT for cheap, I’m selling off my collection on Pinkbike Buy/Sell. I really liked the grapefruit and caramel chocolate for coffee. Although I’m trying to recoup costs, I’m also really just looking to sell it to someone in need. Make me an offer!
@JordanArsenault92
@JordanArsenault92 11 часов назад
I’d love to see you test ride a Mega tower!
@groteandreas1482
@groteandreas1482 4 часа назад
Shimano XT all the way! Best shifters and brakes. I hope we will not be pushed into electric shifting by the bike industry in the future.
@joshuamcdonnell122
@joshuamcdonnell122 9 часов назад
Shimano does not sponser me but if I could always choose drivetrain and brakes, it would be shimano. (I did used to rock and love grip shift xrays 😂😂😂but if shimano had jumped into that type of shifter I would have bought theirs. Shimano XT anything has never disapointed me. I am totally with you on the cable drivetrains. Feel is so important and the electronic shift just can't be as fast as the input of your own analog body movements.......yet. I've been biking since 1991 and the tech has always been tough to keep up. Major tech changes with electronics and batteries is a world I don't want on my trail bike. I just wonder how long it would take to adapt my reflexes to an electroinc shift. THe battery stuff is what sounds awful to me for some reason. I remember seeing matt jones on one of his episodes have major issues with his bike in south america thouasand of miles away from any batteries. Anyway. Greeat video as always.
@chrsei4586
@chrsei4586 11 часов назад
I run Shimano chain and cassette with GX derailleur and shifter (like GX better than XO1 shifters). I like the Shimano shifting and that it's more stable when dirty or slightly out of tune and the softer quicker feel of he SRAM shifter ... but most of all I like that I didn't have to buy all new shifter and derailleurs for my bikes when I found that Shimano shifts better while SRAM gets horrible when it ages.
@cdavid119
@cdavid119 8 часов назад
And I do the exact opposite. Gx-xo1 cassette with an xo1-xx1 chain with shimano xt mech and shifter. I like the durability of the sram chain and the ease of use of sram cassettes, along with the crisp shifting of xt with the multi shift in both directions. Just got a t-type gx system on a new bike I bought and I’m definitely swapping back to a mechanical system.
@frohrers281
@frohrers281 9 часов назад
We need Jeff on the new Megatower and nomad
@BurleighCounty
@BurleighCounty 4 часа назад
Santa Cruz CC frames for 2025 are electronic only, i.e. w/no mechanical shift ports. (Same is true for the new carbon SJ 15 frames from Morgan Hill) This is a load of bollocks in my opinion. The new Tower it seems is just a 29" Bronson. I'll choose the old Tower w/XT mechanical every time.
@createachanneltopost
@createachanneltopost 10 часов назад
I wanted a more poppy bike, so v3 for me!
@azzy9532
@azzy9532 10 часов назад
You should try a megatower, it seems like a bike you'd like!
@seanhornchek6440
@seanhornchek6440 8 часов назад
as you are a shimano sponsored rider who regularly recommends their products: I am on my second m9101 xtr cassette where the rivets holding the three aluminum cogs creak starting at very early miles. have you experienced this and is there a fix?
@danielweinacht4708
@danielweinacht4708 12 часов назад
Definitely agree on the mechanical drivetrain! I've tried transmission, and you just have better feel and control with mechanical. No batteries and no app is pretty big too.
@CodaHale
@CodaHale 7 часов назад
I enjoyed the comparison, but I don’t think the breakover angle explanation for pedal strikes works. Assuming medium frames in the low setting, 170mm cranks, and PNW Loam pedals, the HT3 has an unsagged ground clearance of 158mm with a pedal at 6 o'clock vs the HT4’s 161mm. The HT3 has a 1218mm wheelbase, giving it a breakover angle of 29.09º (2*atan(2∗GC/WB)). The HT4 has a wheelbase of 1237mm, giving it a breakover angle of 29.18º.
@JeffKendallWeed
@JeffKendallWeed 7 часов назад
Interesting, tho I won’t pretend like I’m checking your math! Long bikes always feel like they catch more pedals to me tho. Remember the new bike has more travel, and with a more open feel, gets into it a bit easier. Anyhow, I definitely whacked my pedals more on the new bike vs the old.
@billydeewilliams8909
@billydeewilliams8909 13 часов назад
I love mechanical, but I feel like I'm inevitably going to have to switch to electronic transmission at least for my e-bike because of how many chains I've already broken, including KMC E12 and SRAM XX1 chains. I would love to run Shimano, but I absolutely hate the lack of a derailleur cage retention pin, which makes rear wheel maintenance much more of a pain than it should be. As a result, I run SRAM GX or X01 mechanical on all my bikes.
@JeffKendallWeed
@JeffKendallWeed 12 часов назад
Man, I don't even turn the clutch off half the time I remove a rear wheel! Just shove that derailleur outta the way! The retention pin is a non-issue for me personally.
@olik136
@olik136 11 часов назад
I have never managed to break even a single chain in my life- there is something you must be doing wrong if it happens multiple times. Pretty sure I always had shimano stuff- but that shouldn't matter that much.
@jeffrogers2180
@jeffrogers2180 9 часов назад
​@@olik136my brother breaks his chain all the time and I can't figure it out, we ride similar bikes... His is lower end, so it has a different crank set... That's the only thing I can even guess could be the issue.
@grantwilliams2912
@grantwilliams2912 4 часа назад
Great vid.. 🙂👍
@henksalomons8010
@henksalomons8010 12 часов назад
I think I prefer the HT3, more fun
@JP-mp5st
@JP-mp5st 11 часов назад
I still have the OG Hightower. Great bike
@AlienfromEarth
@AlienfromEarth 11 часов назад
This makes me even more curious about your thoughts on a Trek Fuel Ex. I assume they are releasing a new generation next year too.
@Wes-o9t
@Wes-o9t 9 часов назад
Shimano mechanical forever please, please industry don't mess this up.
@ManNomad
@ManNomad 9 часов назад
Your ginger tabs stole the show.
@ninjazzrhythm400
@ninjazzrhythm400 11 часов назад
I can only how you guys ride. Ill be riding green and blue all day. So scared of gaps😢 i just dont like air time although i was very agressive when i was young, very sporty, love snow boarding but now im pushing close to 50, my knees just keeps screaming pain everytime i do a little jump😢
@AkalaFPS
@AkalaFPS 11 часов назад
V4.1 Bronson vs v5 Bronson pls
@mkrj2576
@mkrj2576 8 часов назад
Big gap between the new HT and the TB.
@clarks888
@clarks888 5 часов назад
For now. Only question is if they move both the 5010 and TB to be a 29/MX pair with the same travel, or keep them separated to cover more of the gap. Would make sense to bump TB to 130 and 5010 to 140, making room for a 120 Blur TR. That said, if you look at the new Ripley, change is not always for the better if the bike moves too far beyond the characteristics people love about it.
@AppleCircle
@AppleCircle 14 часов назад
I want one so bad
@JeffKendallWeed
@JeffKendallWeed 12 часов назад
They are great bikes! I'd enjoy either one in my fleet.
@amtberproducts
@amtberproducts 13 часов назад
Well I think it's obvious you need to have both
@JeffKendallWeed
@JeffKendallWeed 12 часов назад
Hahaha they are almost different enough that it would make sense!
@Cinnabuns2009
@Cinnabuns2009 Час назад
I'm wrong
@jeffrogers2180
@jeffrogers2180 9 часов назад
Under biked is better.
@sgt.sender1
@sgt.sender1 10 часов назад
Old all the way.
@YanDoroshenko
@YanDoroshenko 12 часов назад
I'd never run an electronic drivetrain. If they kill the mechanical derailleur, I'll probably go singlespeed.
@padovann
@padovann 8 часов назад
I’ve never ridden one so this opinion is worth beans but riding footage of the Hightower always looks so awkward to me. Like it’s a bike version of the middle school growth spurt. A little trail bike that grew up overnight and doesn’t know what to do with all its extra size and travel
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