Is onepagerules competitive? How? 

Balance is important, but it's not a synonym for depth, or difficulty to master. For a game to be competitive, it really just needs to have enough depth, and be hard enough to master, that people who put more time into mastery, and people who are more talented, will start to win like crazy against anyone who is not similarly talented/committed.

@@alanjackson1568 yeah no I know there are meta chasers anywhere for everything but 40k isn't chess, and the rule meddling is designed to push model sales without regard to the integrity of the game. Don't confuse the competitive nature of the players with the game itself. Example: chess is competitive because it is balanced between the players and the rules don't change every couple of months. In fact they don't change at all. Remember from 8th edition the meta for space Marines was to field cheap Scout units to make Battalions and maximize command points. 9th rolls around and while they changed the way command points were earned they also moved scouts from Troops to Elites, making the unit less viable and absolutely no one fielded them due to the plethora of better options for the limited number of elite slots one could field. So if you bought the three (or more!) sets for the meta now they sit on your shelf or on eBay. I don't think anyone plays them even now in 10th. But that's another thing with 40k not being competitive; the deliberately high price of the models themselves to create exclusivity. Cost of entry is prohibitive to competition by limiting the player base to those who can afford to play the game, which is another indicator that the rules and game itself are of secondary consideration to the model sales. Not to mention the rules themselves cost money and are quickly out of date. I understand your appeal to the strategy and talent it takes to play games like this. But OPR is more competitive by having free rules and model agnosticism. You don't have to buy their stuff and the rules aren't bent to make certain units into must haves until the next content drop. Plus they are committed to not changing the rules very often. They are game first, models second. With GW the game is simply a sales tactic.

@@alanjackson1568 btw what I'm saying isn't that what you said about the depth that is unit selection, tactics and strategy or difficulty isn't true, just that GW manipulates exactly that spirit of competition to sell more plastic and thus the game we want to play suffers because of it. This is the balance I'm talking about in 40k; rule stability and unit viability. Both are out the window in 40k for the sake of making money. You don't have that with OPR. And OPR has solved my biggest gripe with Warhammer ever by using alternating player activations. It basically is the same game without the meddling for profit, and more engaging with the aforementioned turn structure. I don't consider this peeve of mine in the competitive argument, however, since I may find it irritating it is just a fact of the game like the shooting phase or cover and terrain rules.

@@FiveFootFall I agree, alternating activation is better, and GW certainly messes with the rules and gear options to sell their overpriced models, no doubt about that.

I'm trying to nudge one of the other RU-vidrs to set up a "meta Monday" like thing for opr so we can start to get some numbers from events. I think it would be great at driving engagement

@@WarbossFitz That would be cool. Right now we can only fit 8 people, but the store is moving to a larger location soon. I hope to get up to 16 people after the move. It is fun to see the younger teens use Lego and childhood toys for their armies. Got to get them when they are young.

If the games all tend to be pretty even, I would say you answered the question of the video, one page rules is, not, competitive. Though, that does surprise me, as my initial impression was that many unit's in OPR are clear noob traps. I guess the internal unit balance must be better than I thought? Or everyone in your gaming group has similar math and theory crafting skill, but that's hard to believe.

@@alanjackson1568 ​ Could I ask what you mean by, "noob traps"? I do not understand the terminology. I have played in many tournaments of 40k and WHFB back in the day and I would say that OPR by far is more competitive than the former. Is there math-hammer in OPR, yes very much so, but it is mitigated based on how the base rules are written. For example, by getting away from the antiquated "You Go, I Go" turn structure helps keep "Deathstar" units in check. I will say, though, that this gaming group I do have now is new to miniature war gaming. However, there are some like me that did go to large tournaments back in the day, and they were successful, but they are not able to run roughshod over the newer players, so far. This may change in the future and I reserve the right to be wrong. I hope this answers your questions. God Bless.

@@Eric-fk5jz Ah, when I say noob trap, I meant that some unit's looked weak compared to others. When new players bring weak unit's, those weaker unit's have become a trap. It's strange to me that you think close game = competitive. In a competitive game, the player who has the the experience/talent to be good, should win consistently over players who are not as good at the game. If the game's tends to be pretty even, despite a large experience/skill/talent gap, that sounds like a game I would call casual, not a game I would call, competitive.

And OPR is rules first, models second which eliminates flavor-of-the-month meta manipulation.

TWEET!!!!!

They are STRONG

They have great chaff, great elites, bunch of AP4, great units have Fearless, great casters and spells...

They have easy access to every tool, anti-infantry, anti-tank, anti-hero etc. They don't have much of a faction identity because they can be horde, elite, monster-focused, ambush-focused, shooting-focused, melee focused, or stealth-focused and you never really know what to expect when fighting them.

It's a running joke at this point 😅. The alien hives have lots of tools and can make a strong army list if they know what their opponent is.

Nexus wargaming was there and he is doing reviews and coverage of the armies. I haven't seen anything from official OPR on it. They may have covered it but I haven't seen it.

@@WarbossFitz hmm sad because i have a opr deamon army with a 90% wik rate amongst the friends that play and I wantet to see if any others have found the same trick