Is Path of Exile 2 Too SLOW? 

I was like did he record this in the hospital

It’s really nice that the guards let him record even after that heinous crime he committed last week

You are talking as if it was outside of GGGs control, they could have chosen better gear to showcase poe 2, presentation and first impression are what's most important

Yes, but having played a few SSF runs on standard. Even with bad starting gear you do way more damage in POE1. You can even get to maps with blue starter gear you were using for links.

OP is right. Characters were intentionally given bad gear and their trees weren’t allocated. If you went to PoB and recreated the characters they were basically level 15 in level 45 areas. It was a showcase to show how great the game looked, not to show zoom-zoom.

PoE 1 demos always looked monumentally slow, so I'm not concerned at all.

@@clyp3016 The first impressions of ALL players during the beta will be important. And months after months, the gameplay will change. It already changed between the announcement and this year. So no it doesn't have as much importance as you think

come back to this comment after multiple poe2 leagues

I don't understand how the game is still not a rush to maps game? And killing a pinnacle boss even right now feels rewarding, even in 3.9 when Sirius was added, not everyone in my guild was able to kill Sirus so we all asked the only 2 people who were good enough to kill him on tips

@@clyp3016 TBH I would be fighting sirius more of it actually felt good to do mechanics in poe1, which spoiler, it isn't. Hopefully poe2 will feel better to do mechanics just like what was shown in the demo.

That change is so baffeling and their reasoning is very questionable. Its a tedious task that adds nothing of value except wasting time

@@Fourside__ Exactly. It even waste more than the 2 seconds you waste from D4. Plus you are going to not remember doing it so often in the beginning,. Imagine TPing back to town in a boss fight, then forgetting to fill up your potions. Man that's gonna be annoying.

People spent more time talking about the 2 second change than the time you'd lose tp-ing to town for the next month lol. Giving them the benefit of the doubt for a sec, I thought they didn't want people abusing the immunity procs heart+TP combo when there was a(supposedly rare) cheat death item for it already. First TP time was 3 seconds. Heart immunity/bubble added at 4 seconds. Changes TP time to 5 seconds. I thought that was the reason until they talked about it on that stream. \o/

That "huge synergy" is exactly why they won't do this. They don't want finding items to be that easy.

They have thought about it, what you think they never thought about that basic system in a decade, even when they rethought things as fundamental to the game as lacking Gold? They decided not to.

@@michaellopate4969 This already is in the game when you identify and throw out items afterwards, it wont make any difference if it showed in the first place as identified already. It is just a convenience problem, nothing else.

@@michaellopate4969 They dont want you to setup a loot filter and then never look at items that drop on the ground because if it didnt drop perfect the loot filter would negate even seeing it. Additionally, I love picking up an Item and ID'ing it, and then getting excited when its good even if its not good for that character.

@diomedes7971 that's literally the problem! That's what needs to get fixed and it doesn't change ID'ing something is actually fun for some people. How far I get or play is irrelevant to the fact of having fun.

So true

Agree! honestly i believe, that in endgame with higher Movement/Attact/Cast speed, it will be much more fluid. I think people are over reacting a little bit. But it is good to voice concerns, that way they have some information how community feels and that will show them where to aim the game.

Agreed. There's no point in another zoom zoom aRPG, we have POE 1 for that. The game is also more than a year from release and these demos were deliberately slowed (bad gear, unoptimized trees, not balanced, etc). I'd be confident that when the game is released and people are able to optimize levelling, gearing, tree, etc., the game will be noticeably faster.

The point of poe amazingness is the loot massive skill tree and gem systeml ,they could make a souls like for all care would still be good

and tahts why I think keeping poe1 is important. I want it to be too fast. If i want slow methoidcal games Id play monster hunter or dark souls not poe. I love those games but I love poe for a different reason.

PoE players want everything to be in an instant and dumb everything down until they are just using one click with their eyes closed to "play". At that point, ask yourself, are you really playing a game? I would love more interactable things to be added to towns, hideouts and the game in general.

Yea what a fucking stupid answer.

"I quit kindergarten because quantum mechanics are too complicated, no point learning any math at all"

​@@clyp3016Not a good comparison at all. There are more people who have tried PoE and quit it than those currently playing it, probably a 10x difference. PoE is overwhelming and unreasonably obtuse with very poor explanations and tutorials. There are way too many mechanics thrown at the player very quickly with little to no explanation.

I am not sure but it seems, you have let yourself be caught in an internet trap of someone elses views, goals and expectaitions. The game has problem with new players for sure, but big part of it is perception and expectation that players put on themselfes based on something they have read or watched. I have just saw some guy trying to wing it and just play the campaigne and he enjoyed it. Sure he was decimated in end game, but for a fisrt time? Just those 10 acts are good experience. New players should just come to it and try to beat the game by finishing the campaing, like you would when D2 came out. Even the base game brings new experiences, you have not seen in other ARPGS (at least for me). When i first visited trials to get my acendancy (Labyrinth) i was positively mindblown by what i have expericenced and how the trials felt different to rest of the game and how they got harder by structure changes not just by numbers. In every ARPG i have played, the environment nad traps have always been a joke. Here it is almost completely new experience. //You need to remeber only few things: Life (amount) and Elemental Resistances matter. Spell skill gems scale mostly with gem level. Attack skill gem scale mostly with weapon (meaning you care about damage of your attack weapon). Read descriptions.// That is all.

@Prizzadar Yeah I understand your points but what put me off having a more 'blind' try was reading about how difficult respec was and you could therefore brick your character. Sure you could start again with more knowledge, but it's also demotivating. Even Diablo 2 gave you a full respec early in the game to save for later. Also for clarity in the crucible league I did beat the campaign but had pretty much burned out by then, especially with the knowledge that there was so much more to learn. I'm obviously not saying POE shouldn't be complex if that's what the player base enjoys but was more hoping that POE2 might trim some of it away.

@@Jtxgaming-ww5hb Fair enough :), i would be lying saying otherwise. I have put about 600 hours into the game and there is still a lot I wasnt able to achieve. Big part of it is my limited knowledge of some of the late game mechanics, but mostly, i just hate grinding :) Which is the reason i stopped playing D4 after about 40-50 hours (i was so hyped at the start but after a while it is just boredom). I believe/hope that PoE 2 has a chance to bring togehter whole new generation of players and take them on another inevitable journey to crazytown and repeat the cycle, but whatever (be it otherway, old players will leave). This time i am going to be there from the start, so hopefuly i will be able to digest it all.

People buy into others opinions because critical thinking is hard and most people are not equipped with the knowledge and experience to actually intimately know what they want, much less what'd make for a better game. Most players don't know what they actually want or what they'd enjoy until it's right in front of them and they're playing it... There's a reason they're just players and not game developers. GGG has a big picture vision of the game they're building and considering how every aspect of the game works (combat animations and interactions allowing for more engaging combat, with more room for player decisions and back-and-forth with enemies), and yet these guys are acting like they just took a big dumb dial labeled "game speed" and dialed it down just... to piss people off, I guess? That's what it genuinely looks like when you read angry comments. No understanding or regard for the game that's ACTUALLY being made here, no it must be literally PoE1 except with a *0.3 speed modifier, yup.

You are not off to a good start posting this on social media

i think it could be a good game, but yeah its not going to be poe. they shouldnt have even called it poe2 imo because that naturally invites comparison. but it still might be a fun game. i think all that needing to dodge and constantly being in danger is going to be exhausting though. as alkaizer said 'people can play poe for 4 hours straight because its chill.' poe2 does not look like it will be chill.

@@valjohnson7112 if you want a one button simulator just keep playing poe 1 then

@@-Believeinyourself- poe has never been about combat. id argue a top down click to move arpg can NEVER have interesting combat. its more about building the best loot generating machine and the fun of improving it and finding that loot faster and faster. so yes i will still enjoy poe1. and good luck with your ruthless.

I played with a 1060 3gb i5 9000k forgot how much ram I had but not much could do juiced t16 and 5ways(5ways lagged but didn't disconnect)

Is that really the case though? Lootfilters are already a necessity and you don't even look at items that are not crafting bases. And there is that unique Body Armour that auto-identifies magic items. I guess it's true in the grand scheme of things. Loot is kinda jank afterall.

Hiding item stats behind a game mechanic also helps maintain flow in an ARPG, where the engagement cycle is kill stuff - loot - kill stuff - loot - assess gear. If you break up the killing and looting too frequently with gear assessing people lose interest a bit.

Exactly. If everything is a piñata it makes everything feel the same. By spreading out the moments and by making them happen at big moments, like by defeating bosses or finishing league events, it can make the highs feel much more rewarding at that single moment. It's why I found Ruthless so much more appealing than the base game.

Your argument makes sense except blight exists, where if you're not running a strict enough filter, just finishing a blighted map can cause your game to shit the bed. That already happens with unid items... that being said, the items are -already- rolled when they are dropped. We've seen plenty of items items drop > id > crash/rollback > id > same item. So the items are rolled on drop rather than on ID. The nicest value to them dropping identified is you could filter them more effectively. Last Epochs item filter is just next level for that. You can have it show as little or as much as you want, a single affix, or a total tier level of affixes of certain types among other things.... which feels incredible as a player. I love POE, have been playing for about 12 years now (sometime in closed beta), but some of the choices they make are rather strange... the ID item thing being one of them.

@@taronzgaming7739 if its already rolled then it does make no sense to have it most likely, and i did play last epoch and i gotta say the itemization and crafting is really great and making filters is hella comfy, if poe made an ingame filter tool just like in last epoch with identified items, i believe it would be quite a game changer...

yeah i didnt hear a lot of excitment from the crowd at all. no 'wow' moments at all.

like in d4? :D

@@valjohnson7112 thinking more like how tera used to but ye ig

Gold could just be a way to alleviate tradeups and give more direct access to crafting currency players want in the moment. Say you want some Regrets, you needed 2 scours, which required 4 chance, which required fuses, which required jewellers, and so on. Same for alts and augs, you'd need a pile of portal scrolls to buy them in bulk. Gold could allow vendors to carry each orb type for a fixed amount without the time spent converting currency up just to purchase the items you want. Granted, postgame when players are swimming in currency it's less relevant. But in that case, it could save you a lot of clicks if you wanted to buy enough alts and augs to slam an item 1200 times.

@@Stainlesssteele4 This would introduce an issue where everything has a gold value attached to it because you could get every crafting ressource with gold. By making it so that you can uptrade currencys for a fixed vendor price you can balance how accesible a specific crafting option should be at the bare minimum. Gold should not be an ankerpoint in crafting currency values. The opportunity a specific crafting ressource offers you + the rarity should define how valueable it is. If the gold approach is only valueable during the campain to help new players I would not tell them "here is crafting currency. Try to craft a piece of gear with this complex system you propably don't understand untill you have played for 100 hours". I'd rather think about usefull side quest rewards where you can pick a piece of gear of you choice that favors whatever you are missing. For example you are guaranteed to get a body armor with at least +60% to ele res or you are guaranteed to get boots with at least 25% movement speed. I highly agree about what you said about the clicking. I myself am suffering from RSI like crazy. That is not an issue of having gold or not though. That is an issue of missing crafting UI, crafting automation or how difficult it can be rolling 2 specific mods on a magic item. Same goes for six links. You could just make it so that it takes 3-5 fus on average and make fus as rare as div/ex. I personally don't see any reason to introduce gold that could not get solved in a better way. Gold is just a lazy fix. Approaches that differ from industry standard is what poe needs (and by that i definetly don't mean "the well" *sigh*).

It's also for performance reasons, the item stats are rolled when you ID them, it's like the items are blank and when you ID, you throw an alchemy on them

The staggered league releases should avoid that issue.

@@PowerfulSkeleton they thought poe1 leagues would start 1 month before poe2. 1 month in is like the peak of the poe economy.

@@valjohnson7112 Yeah, Chris clarified in the keynote it'd be in the dead part of the other game's league

Ggg knows it doesn't add anything ... Right now they do it specifically so you cannot use a loot filter on specific mods ... If loot filters didn't exist I'm sure wisdoms wouldn't either

yeah it made sense to slow down the animations if they thought they needed to for the demo. but it doesnt make any sense to me why they would tell octavian to 'make it as hard as possible' also, why not just show 1 clip of a juiced lategame build, just to make us excited about what is possible?