Is Pogacar his own worst enemy? | Tour De France 2024 Stage 11 | JB2 

Joao almeida gave an interview at the end and he sayd they are ready to "attack again" on stage 14....they are crazy man

Even if Pogacar was bonking, the merit still goes to Jonas, being able to catch him when Pogacar had 40 seconds already on him

All these are after thought. Everyone thought before the Tour that Pogi should nail the coffin in the first week, should take as many minutes as possible in the early stages. So today, UAE has a strong team so why not to use it. And the next 2 stages are the easy stages for them so the team would rest the next 2 days. Before the stage, nobaby knew how strong Jonas were. He could be weak and Pogi could take a few minutes and nail the coffin.

Jonas showed us his steely reserve today, let’s face it they are mid-way through the Tour and it’s a really great race! And yes, JB (left side) needs to give JV more credit for what he did vs. what Tadej didn’t do. Yes, it’s an unbalanced equation but at least balance the critique.

Interesting how Johan discusses everything from a UAE and Pogachar standpoint. It's UAE and Pogachar losing the tour not Visma and Vingegaard winning it. It's like it is Pogachars to win all the time even though Visma and Vingegaard has dominated for two years. I see no analysis of Vingegaard what so ever.

Pogi gambled and lost. Roglic helped Jonas on the descent while Tadej blew his legs. Jonas hit the next climb with fresher legs. Pogi didn't even have the legs to sprint. It is obvious that Visma is much more disciplined, while UAE lacks unity. If UAE had the discipline of Visma, they'd win. It will be an interesting battle to the end.

JB is Monday morning quarterbacking. Easy to second guess. Pogacar laid down a bet. He tried to drop Jonas and put more time on him. It didn't work. He tried. It was a test to see Vinegaard's strength. Jonas passed the strength litmus test. Pogacar now knows the score. All said, Pogi may get beat by Jonas again, but it won't be because of this stage. This race has everything and the rivalry cycling needs. Best race ever. In the mountains, Jonas is likely still the superior rider as he is lighter and has a huge engine.

Jonas was second in his first tdf. Then He won his second and third. And He May win his fourth. He is. Legend.

George Hincapie made a very smart observation about this stage which is that Pogacar stuffed up by being greedy about winning a stage that other great riders who will never be a GC contender could and should have won. As Hincapie said there are many riders who train for years to win a middle mountain type stage and their whole dream is of winning just one stage in a Grand Tour in their career and these chances come rarely and Pog who is still the favorite to win overall should have let a breakaway go and let one of them win. Instead, in George’s opinion, out of greed for another stage win he drove and burned his own team and all other teams in the peloton in setting a ridiculous pace such that they never had a chance and they are pissed off and will in future not help him when he needs it.

I listen to JB 2, the Move, Chris Horner, and I watch extended highlights. I love everything. Thanks you!

Precise questioning, and equally precise analysis. JB2 is a good double act.

UAE's tactic was silly. They were using up these guys FOR WHAT? no one in the break was within any distance to Tadej. Tadej is really good at wasting his own and his team's energy reserves. I hope that doesn't bite them back in week 3! Tadej is an emotional rider... he's like Remco, but a little smarter. Jonas rides so differently. He rides conservatively using energy only when needed which will serve him well in a race like the TdF Jonas, is one of my favorite riders. He's smart, he's efficient! He's a great bike racer!

Jonas has actually won a sprint before: 2023 Itzulia Basque Country, stage 4 - Jonas and Mikel Landa were in a breakaway - Jonas won and a chasing group was 2 seconds behind.

Chapeau Jonas… Respect… 🙏🏻

For a while I didn't like Jonas because of his personality but now, I really like him and as a cyclist, after today and what I saw, he's the man! Bravo Jonas!

JB sums it up: _"UAE tactically did a stupid race."_ _"Today exploded in their face."_ _"They haven't learned from past mistakes ... riding like they did today, that's how the lost the last 2 Tours."_

I think the big question now is which mountain stage will Pgacar blow up. This weekend or the next.

They should rename this show to “The Pogacar Fanboy Show”

Johan is brilliant 🤩

I understand JB point of view but i think its a bit lacking the strengths and weakness of both riders. Pogacar is an all around Rider, Vingegaard is an High mountain specialist, so UAE knows they are not not safe with 1 min leading into high mountains. Todays stage was tailor made for Pogacar to win time, I just think Jonas was at an high level and Pogacar bonked, otherwise tour would probably been over.

Surely Jonnas is getting tired too , the idea that he will miraculously be getting stronger and stronger is a bit of a stretch for me. hitting him stage after stage is not the craziest of strategies , they know their power outputs so exactly which is why they feel so safe about racing like this.

Pretty ridiculous to say that Pog lost 22 and 23 TdF because of tactics. In 2022 he didn't drop Jonas once and Jonas mega dropped him on Granon after a hard day of racing, dropped him again on Hautacam and beat him in the TT. In 2023 Pog obviously didn't have the best of preparations and lost by over 7 minutes. Jonas was in better shape for the 3 week race and destroyed him in the third week because of better physical resilience. If Pog can't do more damage to Jonas in this Tour than he already has done on Galibier and the TT, after the horrendous crash and injuries of Jonas in April, then I think it shows pretty clearly who's the strongest of the two in the Tour de France. Having said all that, Pog is still by far the best rider in the world - just not in the Tour against Jonas in the last two years.

Bruyneel is a genius, but it is pretty obvious that he does not acknowledge Jonas Vingegaards qualities. He always talks about the faults of Pogacar. I think it is pretty obvious that Pogacar and UAE tries to gain as much time as they can on Jonas before the Alps and the Pyrenees, because Jonas has shown to gain time on Pogacar on those stages.

Thank you for all your time and work on the show

Pogis worst enemy is not Pogi... it is Jonas. Yes, Pogi is explosive and amazing BUT in these super long and hard GTs durability/endurance is simply more important and Jonas simply has more durability and endurance than Pogi. Have some respect for Jonas. The reason Pogi rides like he does is that he know that if they go into week 3 without a solid lead Jonas will win every time so he, Pogi, has to try but Jonas will probably win in the end coz no one can hide from the realities of 21 hard stages.

Excellent analysis, GT's are indeed all about risk-reward. Thankfully some still get this wrong and we get to watch an amazing spectacle.

One thing I want to add is that the shenanigans happining to Urška (his fiancee) regarding her not being in Slovenian Olympic National Team certainly aren't helping Tadaj at all.

Pogacar is so good, but he's riding out there like Yosemite Sam. It will take a measured approach to beat Vingegaard.

Just got home from my training ride, great timing!

The bar raid footage was from a short film by legendary French movie maker Louis Malle from the 1962 Tour when Jacques Anquetil was in his prime. In those days amphetamines were rife within the pelaton and part of the "Vive Le Tour" footage was a segment of riders hitting the wall and falling off their bikes in the heat as a result of poor hydration and amphetamines use.

96 days ago he crashed...broken collarbone...broken ribs(plural)...bruised heart...punctured lung...he won today.

Impulsive Pogi is a blessing in disguise. On one hand the attacks make the race exciting for viewers, on the other hand i agree with Johan, this strategy is a net negative for pogi overall if keeps doing this, he will collapse eventually.

Another blind attack from Pog? Not rellay, it was calculated attack to demonstrate the overall superiority. But Jonas is strong, and Pog was not quite sure on that, so he tested him again, this time he got burned. On the gravel was head wind, so he was not sure why he couldn't shake Jonas, but the outcome of that stage was a sign to me that Pog tactic need to change immediately, but apparently not for him. Jonas tactic is clear, saving with energy so that it stays glued to the Pogačar wheel and accelerate when the remaining energy is enough to finish the race at a high pace. This is the advantage of Visma, they know exactly how much energy is in stock with every moment, UAE team obviously don't know that. Roglič was racing with the same tactic at Visma, I remember Giro when he was constantly glued to the Nibali wheel, he put Nibali on his nerves racing like this, and as a result they both lost the Giro won by Carapaz. To race like this you need a great software or great instinct, maybe Roglic is a little lost with BORA because he no longer has the same software-tactic support as he had at Visma. Remember this, next year AI will dominate the TDF, Visma van is collecting real time training data for the next TDF already! Un saluto a Davide Cassani, vedo che segue attentamente questo canale e anche i commenti 😉 Ho seguito il ciclismo quando lui è stato un ciclista professionista e successivamente e stato un grande piacere seguirlo quando era nel ruolo di commentatore su RAI2, proprio come oggi. Così anche grazie a lui ho imparato le basi delle grandi corse ciclistiche. Scuola italiana👌

Amazing podcast prefer listening to these guys than any of the TV guys, realistic, to the point and informed.

I Like to watch this and the Lance show. Lots of insight👍

Best tour analysis out there!

Love both riders, two completely different personalities with the same goals except Pog loves to win stages and win TDF but Jonas only concerned and goal is win TDF. Both incredible athletes ❤

Bit disrepectfull too Jonas.

Johan is good and knows what he is talking about, but it seems to me that it isn't recognized that Jonas the last 2 years won because he was stronger, not because of anything else not because of a wrist, not because of better team. It is not for certain Pogacar can ride with the same strategies Jonas can, for me its very clear Jonas has always had an edge when it gets tough, But pogacar can save up a burst that Jonas cant match when it hasnt been all out up to that point. That means Pogacar has to make it count in any hilly or semi hard mountain stage, every bonus second every stage victory. And that is how he has ridden. Today he tried to test Jonas and see if he could finish the tour right there, but it backfired. Just because Pogacar was dominant in the giro doesnt mean hes stronger, Jonas would have been dominant if he had been there crash free and no pogacar. Both are completely dominating when the other is not there. Last year Jonas was completely dominating in the last week of the vuelta (he was sick in the early part). This year pogacar is the favorite, mostly because Jonases brutal crash and the fact he wasnt on the bike before mid may. If he cant win over him this year even with a giro in the legs, then its just settled. And Jonas need to grow old before pogacar will beat him, The strategy is not the problem, the endurance is.

Jonas finds a way to win. That's it. And the the job is for people to find the excuses for Pogacar afterwards.

Eating on the podium? Suddenly sweating on arms during climbing? In/out Of Saddle in final sprint? This all points to a massive bonk. Hence reaching for both pockets to find a gel and putting hand up but say no to the bike with bottles (water only? Certainly not a 80g of carbs in 500ml “super” fuel team bottle). Here’s to an amazing weekend and the final 4-day block in the mountains next week From sports science JB

100% agree, I have mentioned this in so many posts, The only person who can beat Tadej is Tadej.

Matxin Fernandez is a complete buffoon. Unless he stands down, Pogi's screwed. We can only hope the Netflix Unchained camera crews have access to UAE. There is going to be an implosion. Fernandez playing favorites with his boy Ayuso, at the expense of Almeida. And the tactical stupidity. Pissing off all the other teams by burning the entire team on stages that should go to a breakaway. Can't wait to see what some of the other D.S.es have to say about that.

Tadej won the Giro in spectacular fashion. He dominated it. He wants to do the same in TDF. They have the strongest team in this TDF, and Tadej still has the best chance of winning it this year. Thanks Johan for this great show.

Tadej's team needs to carry a stack of extra jells or whatever it is he needs to fuel that engine of his. This happens every Le Tour he gasses himself from lack of calories & fluids. Jonas on the other hand is a machine! Should be a great two weeks. 👍🏻🚵🏽‍♀️🇨🇵💯

The issue was not the tactics. Trying to put Jonas under pressure is perfectly fine and there's no guarantee he won't collapse in the third week. It's so boring blaming people when they aren't strong enough to take time.

This show is the best. Great summary of the stage-no ego trip, no self absorption, just well-presented clearly understood facts. Can’t beat Johan with JB.

I personally wouldn’t mind if Johan used more colorful language to express his views on how team tactics are run and decisions by particular riders may adversely effect them and their team… Big part of my summer watching this all happen in real time. Thnx JB2.

Pogi is on way down, Vingo is on way up, Remco is nowhere, Rogla is Rogla

Question 🙋‍♂️ of the day: Did Remco brought his pair with him today when they were riding up those 🏔️?

Johan and the MOVE are completely shock with these 2 guys and the Peloton. Nothing normal just mind blowing unclassified TIMES!

Jonas vingegaard é um espectáculo! Ganhou as últimas 2 voltas à frança. No fim quem vai ganhar vai se vingegaard. Ele é doutra liga...

Thankfully Poga has brought in a wonderful, exciting new era of cycling after the boring doped era that US Postal was associated with. Poga the greatest champion since Merckx!

Tadej is enjoying it. And he's right. Winning isn't everything. Reminded of Wiggins' honesty that he wasn't enjoying it when he was at his peak. When he retires, he'll remember his attacks and the fun more than the records and stats, which are just numbers at the end of the day.

It’s almost worked but it didn’t. End of the day he didn’t lose anytime and couldn’t ride away from him.

The Tour used to be 4 weeks long when Eddie Merckx raced it so that would account for 96 days in Yellow.

Pogacar did actually produced more W/kg (6,92) for the penultimate climb. And that is higher than he did in Giro its also one of the highest avaraged climbs for 2024. However, JV avaraged 7,25 w/kg.

Good points at 16:00 job of DS to help keep champions from burning their matches in the wrong places.

No Johan. Today was terrain favoring pogacar. He has to get time today! Has to. Same gravel, has to get time. Same stages 1,2 must get time there. B c in high mtns vingegaard beats pogacar and beats him by several min. It is precisely in a stage like this, shorter climbs, more explosive, get time here.

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Lest you all forget… Tadej Pogacar has already ridden and won a Grand Tour this year.

He didn't burn the entire team, in a classic sense, he decided to drop the last two when he attacked.

Poga this Poga that Poga bonked What a bunch of excuses Hey btw the guy that won 2 last tours won today after a horrible crash that seemed to have happened just yesterday Johan is totally obsessed with UAE management and Poga

I don't understand how people cannot understand that Jonas is just a better mountain climber than Pogacar. End of story. Pogacar knows this, and he knows the 4 hard upcoming mountain stages to come. He most likely cannot take time there. So he tries to use stages like Galibier, this stage or stage 17 to win time. I think Pogacar does the right thing tactically.

No bruynell this time you comments are wrong. Only time I remember Vingegaard wins 2 min stage 14 two more stagec15. P needs time! In high mtns v, history tells us, topples p. P needed 2 min today. And 2 gravel. He got zero V wins stages 14 and 15, and gc. Only there last 3k sd v attack, otherwise follow follow follow

JB’s Fireworks 💥 have just started.

UAE playing checkers and Visma playing chess.

not so sure Pogi will gain large chunks of time on uphill finishes. His attack on Galibier gained only 8 seconds (a few more with bonnifications) and only 4 seconds today. His gains were made on the downhill of stage 4 and the time trial. On longer climbs I don't think he can take much out of Jonas.

as soon as uae started riding i was pissed. tadej is racing like an amateur. he should be making those efforts with 500m to go and just get 10 seconds here or there on the mountain stages but why even ride offensively at all

JB what time during stage 10 was LA mentioned?

I agree with you. They have to ride to defend and attack when it behefit them

Johan is the ‘Grand Master’. Could listen to him all day.

I feel the plan of UAE going in was to take the whole podium. Hence the 4 rides in the top 10. Visma won the three grand tours last year. As big a splash is UAE placing 1-2-3 here.... Indeed, they do have the best team this year at the TdF but with Jonas' form they have to reevaluate their strategy and concentrate on simply winning the fist spot.

Jonas is simply a better climber in the high mountains than Pogacar, and Pogacar shouldn't wait until the Pyrenees and Alps to take time on Jonas. He has a disadvantage there compared to Jonas. Why can't people just admit that??

He should have attacked in the last km of the next climb and gone for a marginal time gap and bonus times. Lengthening the high intensity phase of the race played to Jonas’ strength. All those climbing teammates mean nothing if you drop them.

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Is Pog really his own worst enemy? Yes and no. For sure Pog’s biggest weakness is his inability (or unwillingness) to think “off the bike” so to speak. To be strategic. Pog’s most attractive appeal is that he’s an almost supernatural talent. And that’s great if you’re riding a classic or similar. But in the world of GT riding that works for only so long. Today was perfect for Pog. It won’t get better from here. Punchy climbs, cool weather and UAE pushing max tempo. It wasn’t enough and not only wasn’t it enough, it only allowed Jonas to hone and sharpen his form. How on earth is Pog going to be there on Isola when the TdF is decided? This is it. From here on out it’s all favouring Jonas’ capabilities and Jonas is the ultimate GT rider. Easily the best climber, world class TT rider and that’s what it takes to win GT’s.

Let me start by saying JB2 is often my go to before I listen to Lance and George. Love the show. However this pod was so focused on Pogi and not enough shine on Jonas. As you can see in this comment section the people of The Move are unhappy with Johan’s lack of praise or acknowledgment of Jonas’s performance.

Remco seems to loose his balls when it’s a bit uphill. The boy needs some more gots in the upcoming mountain stages.

Jonas is the goat of climbing. Pogacar is more all-round, but inferior in 3 week races. He might still win the tour tho, given UAE team is insane strong

I think Pogi was looking to strike while the iron is hot. History suggests he might have a bad day, so probably feels he actually needs a few minutes over Jonas given he is clearly in better shaoe and improving each day.

Totally agree with you guys . But this kind of pogacar behavior is what makes cycling fun to watch

you heard on the gravel stage uae directior told pogacar when he attacked to "go all in for this one." so I dont think anypne has the reins in that team

We are so over "Tadej lost the tours, Jonas didn't win them" Come on, thank you next... Bye Felicia

@johan would you have told the team to sit up today?

Jonas is obviously best climber . Remco and Primoz were very good today, actually on last two climbs they were not slower than Tadej at all

What I see is that Tadej influence is over the Team Manager Mattin.. I hope if you can ask Johan if this is true .. and that is why there are no tactics it’s just what Tadej wants to do

I fail to understand how Pogacar is the favorite? No brains, all brawn. His team is all over the place. He bonked out on what seemed to be a tactical stage for him. Vingegaard looks amazing. He looks to be the better climber. The better climber will win. I don't see Pogacar winning from here unless he sits at the back of Vingegaard and matches him in the Pyrenees.

If Jonas win then its always because Pogacar didnt have the day. You guys never give Jonas the credit he deserve. He nearly died for 3 month ago. He thought it himself. Why not just Accept Jonas is a better GT rider.

I don't think the way UAE rode today is disrespectful to other rival. It's a race, if they want to chase every stage win, that is their right. It's not charity race that everyone has to win. UAE can do their own race whatever they want. But tactically, yes it's stupid. Looking at how Jonas rode today, I really think that Jonas will win TDF. Pogacar seems to be on hot head. I thnk this pyschological war of word about "riding smart".. getting really under his skin. Just listening to his interview answer, clearly he is annoyed about it. And new flash to Remco. Jonas can wipe the floor with Remco ball anytime he wants. This is just an appetizer.

It's not tgat Tadej has the drive or hunger. I keep hearing oeiple say, "He just likes to compete." No, he thinks hes the GOAT abd wabts to show people he is. Like Tom Brady, he's a braggart. He lacks humility. Jonas has Zen. He has no need to show off. He races against himself. For his family. If Yates or Almeida took the lead, Pogacar would never accept it and step aside.

It’s hard to overreact to this stage when they have basically two rest days for the GC riders for the next 2 stages. I think the sprint stages have been a disaster in terms of pace throughout the entire tour.

Imagine Jonas and Pogi switching teams. In that case Pogi would probably do a lot better.

Stupid win by vingegaard today. Follow! You don’t have the miles. You are playing w fire. On any stage at any time you can cramp up and lose 15 min. Follow! Till stage 14 stage 15 last 3k you can get 4 min there. Today for all your work you got 2 sec Yes catch pogacar. Good. Then follow! Don’t fight for 2 sec. You undertrained are playing w fire, any time any stage you can blow up, and cramp up, esp v cold or v hot day

It can't just be a fueling mistake. That's what Tadej blamed his loss of time two years ago on. If he hasn't learned that lesson yet, he never will.

The Fantastic 4 bring us a great TDF! Ever! In less than a half of the tour.

Pogacar wasted his team because of the time bonuses available during the stage which shows he is worried about Visma in the high mountains. He was eating on the podium which show he had bonked.

Soon, history tells us, in high mtns, stage 14. 15, pogacar fails, and Remco fails. Tho vingegaard not out of the woods: he’s undertrained! He can cramp up at any moment and lose 15 min. V must therefore be x careful, attack twice only last 3k stages 14 and 15 and never any other time. Never. V pushes it any more than twice, he’s playing w fire. Undertrained!

Made for an exciting race though

No one will take the yellow jersey from Tadej.