Is Roxas Sora's nobody or Ventus' heartless? 

They're all fucking Sora. Even Kairi is Sora.

Actually, Sora’s nobody was supposed to look like Sora, but when Ventus was separated from Sora in hollow bastion, Ventus’ heart didn’t know what to do because his original body was locked in a deep slumber so he went into Sora’s nobody which made Roxas look like Ventus Edit: A Year later. My most popular comment ever and most of the the comments is everyone not agreeing with each other

Theres a guy, inside a guy, and half of each is removed and makes another guy.

Roxas: "I'm already part Ventus." *Camera zoom at his eye.*

'Not too complicated' 😂 the entire KH story , as a fan

Actually... it is a little more complex than that. You see, when Sora released Kairi's heart from his, he also released Ventus's heart too. When he did this though, Ventus's heart had nowhere to go. So instead, when Sora's nobody was created, Ventus's heart found his way to Sora's nobody. Further more, a nobody actually does not take a form until it reclaims memories from its body, hence why strong Nobodies like Axel and Saïx have the forms they do. However, with the presence of Ventus, this would cause Roxas to form into the likeness of Ventus. BUT! Because the Organization was meddling in the affairs of Sora, Kairi, Riku and Roxas, they actually created an Artificial Vessel that could house the memories of Sora while Sora was in stasis, thus creating an Artificial Nobody named Xion in the likeness of Kairi, as the memories forged into her was only those of Kairi. However, when Xion began absorbing the memories connected to Roxas, she then actually did take on the likeness of Sora, thus technically becoming Sora's Nobody. This is important, because this caused Roxas to begin to shut down as he was quickly losing his connection to Sora, and would soon no longer be his Nobody... but because he is still a Nobody that already had a Heart, albeit a fragmented heart, he was quickly becoming a Nobody for Ventus instead. So yes, while he is Sora's Nobody, he is in a way, also Ventus's Nobody, even if Ventus's Body was within Castle Oblivion.

Ventus: Roxas, i am your father! Roxas: I am me. I am Roxas!

This is one of those things that makes sense as long as you're paying attention to the end of BBS. Roxas looks like Ventus for the same reason Vanitas looks like Sora, and Ventus' body was left in the Chamber of Waking.

Look Nomaru has discussed this in interviews. He comments Ventus heart “stayed with” Roxas (aka Sora body) which is why Roxas had the Keyblade and the same appearance as Ventus.

“not too complicated,” still makes so sense haha been a KH fan since 2005

Nomura: "So that's what i came up with on Tuesday."

Sora is just such a good guy

It was confirmed by Nomura that Roxas is Sora’s nobody. He stated that Roxas looks like Ven because he’s in Sora. But that was it. He stated that Roxas is his own separate person and has nothing to do with Ven other than resemblance.

VENTUS AS A PLAYABLE CHARACTER WAS REALLY FUN TO PLAY

What I love about Kingdom Hearts is how straightforward and easy to understand it is. It's really... _Simple and clean._

I think the problem with this is that heartless are created from the darkness within someone's heart. And there is no darkness in ventus' heart because vanitus was that darkness from ventus' heart. So if anyone was ventus' heartless it would be vanitus.

not too complicated, Vanitas and Sora lookilke, Xion looks like Kairi. Unless People can flow into Sora’s heart its a dna lab to clone new same ppl

Both. He's both. Roxas has soras keyblade and abilities and has combined facial features from Sora and ventus. He even has both of their mannerisms as well.

You can't just say "not too complicated" like that makes it uncomplicated. What the hell?

Actually Ventus has a body still however his heart is super damaged so it left to heal in Sora instead of dying. Then when Sora offed himself he created a nobody for himself and kairi. Vens heart went into the nobody roxas and instead of turning into Sora it turned into ventus. Nobody’s however do form their own heart after a while as their memories return or as they create meaningful relationships by that method roxas formed his own heart separate from soras since he wasn’t really getting the memories of Sora and he would probably have transformed to look more like him but xion is a thing so she took that role and blabla but roxas did have some memories still so then everyone merged into Sora, thus the meme everyone is either Sora or xehanort

Sora kept his own heart when he became a heartless, this is why when he found a connection (kairi) he was able to come back,vens heart went to the body left behind which resulted in Roxas. Funny enough Roxas and Sora share the same face models in KH2 with both having Sora’s brown eyebrows but Roxas having vens hair.

And for you newcomers, if you wanna know the true reason why Roxas and Ventus look the same: Namura thought it would be a good cliffhanger in the secret ending of KH2 to make him look like Roxas. What drives Kingdom Hearts plot is cliffhangers and questions, the reasoning behind them always happens later in the games that they're for

Yes. Roxas is soras nobody but holding ventus's heart for safe keeping.

If holding ventus’ heart is what causes roxas to look like ventus why doesnt anyone in the real organization look like xehanort

I’m not sure why anyone would logically think Roxas is Ventus’ heartless. That is expressly not how heartless work.

Roxas is Sora's Nobody, he just LOOKS like Ventus because his heart was in Sora's this whole time

I think Ventus’ whole process works very differently. I believe the reason Vanitas was able to be extracted but not be a “Heartless” was because Ventus as per Union X was a carrier for Darkness. And so, rather than being a Heartless, Vanitas becomes a manifestation of Darkness’ previous influence. So Ven really doesn’t follow the common Heartless and Nobody trope other characters follow.

Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Here is my thesis in fictional anthropology, [...]

What I love about Kingdom hearts is it feels like you are playing through a time frame that already has existed from years of old. Even the new games go so far back in time with history of what the games storyline is. It feels like you're literally playing somebody else 's story back to you. Best game ever!

They took what could have possibly been the greatest Games series ever, and took the largest most convoluted dump on the story that could’ve been legendary

I feel as if a lot of the times fans of the series want these things to be more complicated then they actually are, when really theyre really simple concepts to understand Hell, the reason venitas took the appearance of sora rather than ventus is the same reason roxas looks like ventus than the other way around

ventus cant have a nobody since his heart no longer has darkness, ie through it's forceful removal. and as stated heartless are born from the darkness in the hearts of man. so with no darkness there can be no heartless.

Nobodies are supposed to resemble their human selves with sometimes some changes But when Ventus connected to Sora as a newborn, it resulted in Vanitas, who had no human face before, have a face resembling Sora’s In same result, Roxas resulted in having Ventus’ face. And Naminé while being from Kairi’s spirit and her true Nobody, was partly from Sora’s body, allowing her to gain blonde hair like Roxas and Ventus, and gained power over Sora’s memory and those connected to him

„Not to complicated“ is the best joke about kh I have ever heard

"not so complicated" famous last words in this series lol

I get that darklings were made around kh3's release but it still bugs me that Sora turns into a shadow heartless and not a darkling heartless

"I've been to see him. He looks a lot like you."

This is why it's so convoluted, trying to have everybody live

Ventus is that one friend who is just couch surfing through the friend group until he eventually finds his own place. 🤔😭

*Insert Austin Powers "Oh dear I've gone crossed eyed" gif here*

I believe the reason why Roxas looks like Ventus is because when Sora stabbed himself with the keyblade that releases hearts, Sora must have stabbed his heart in a spot where he had Ventus' heart. It would have to be a pretty deep stab to not only reach Kairi's heart, but to stab deep enough to get to Ventus'.

"Guy within guy makes guy except looks like other guy" i love this franchise.

"Things went from Disney chilling saving the princess adventure to universal reset and infinity war real fast :D" -Nomura in his natural habitat-

It's crazy to think that, when Roxas visited Castle Oblivion for the first time, it's the only instance before KHIII where he, Sora, and Ventus were all within the same location (unless DiZ and Naminé already moved Sora, Donald, and Goofy to Twilight town, I forgot).

Kingdom Hearts 2= give everybody black coats

to make it quick, Roxas is Sora's Nobody. You're welcome for saving you time.

So actually roxas does look like sora( this is confirmed in the games that they have the same face) but he also looks like ven( in recoded, it is said he looked like an uncanny version of him, meaning he looks like him, but also doesn’t)

Coming from knowing absolutely nothing at all about the kingdom of hearts series, that first sentence sounded like a stroke lmao Can’t wait to eventually get into the series!

Ending a Kingdom Hearts video with 'not too complicated' is brilliant considering the meme of this game being complicated lmaoo

Most convoluted story in history right here

So this would make… Sora the (technical) heartless And Roxas as the nobody in the shape of Ventus. Vanitas IS the darkness of Vens heart so he can’t produce a heartless but it leaves room to make a nobody because of his strong will to fight and live. This is a stretch but Roxas is the nobody of Sora but also the strong will of Ventus given another chance to retry his life anew. With no memories of Ventus but as Sora. Ventus was given a second chance to relive as someone else that isn’t Sora or Ventus but as Roxas.

I look at it as Roxas takes the appearance of Ventus but has the memory and "identity" of Sora because Sora makes up the majority of his heart. Where Ventus' heart is only resting there, like in a coma.

I get that KH can be confusing, but what is it with the fans and trying to make it MORE confusing than it actually is? Roxas is the Nobody created from SORA'S body, but influenced by Ventus' heart. The only heartless created from Sora is the shadow you briefly play as. If anything, the closest thing Ventus has to a heartless would be Vanitas, since he's literally all of the darkness Ventus had (which was a lot, due to stuff in KHUx)

Why are people in the comments acting like Roxas was carrying around ventus' heart from the end of KH1 all the way to the beginning of KH2? Just because he looks like ven dosent mean he has his heart. Roxas echoes ventus' just like vanitas echoes sora.

Well actually about Ventus losing the dark part of his heart. It was Sora's newborn heart that helped Ventus restore his own heart. It wasn't until 4 years later when Ventus shattered his heart where he took refuge in Sora's heart.

He's a hybrid of Ventus' nobody with Sora's memories

We seriously need a Vaati Vidya like channel for KH lore.

Tldr: Nomura was smokin the good reefer while he was writing KH

“I’m heartless I’m nobody I feel like I’m roxas-“

The way I always imagined it is that Ventus is Sora and Ventus's Nobody, similar to how Naminé is Kairi's and Sora's Nobody

I think more than half of the entire kingdom hearts community thanks you for putting into simple terms the great debate that has been going on for years.

1 thing you got wrong. It was a kid sora restoring ventus heart. The heart states that it's a new hear on its way. Meaning, this is soras heart before it even reached story

The only thing I understood was why Vanitas who only made After that Ventus split looks like a kid who they never met until the end of the game

Basically what it means is Ventus’s heart went inside Sora and when Sora sacrificed himself to become a heartless releasing Kairi’s heart he created a nobody name Roxas that has the similar appearance of Ventus

What is even more weirder is that Vanitas which is Roxas' heartless looks like Sora which is confusing because Vanitas was created when Xehanort separated Ventus' heart which was before he became apart of Sora.

In my mind, I had determined that Roxas was Ventus’ Nobody and Xion was Sora’s “true” Nobody

It had always been my headcanon that Roxas was actually Ventus' Nobody since Ventus heart resided within sora, but since Ventus' heart has been with Sora for so long his nobody developed a connection with Sora which was why Roxas began to have flashbacks of Sora's past in 358/2 days. Sora is the only character in the series to have multiple hearts residing within him at a given point. In KH 3 he had his heart, Ventus' and Roxas, in KH 1 he just had his heart and Ventus. It made sense to me that Sora's nobody would resemble ventus because Ventus' heart has been residing within sora for I think 10 years since I believe birth by sleep takes place ten years before the events of kh1. I always thought that since Sora was a unique situation he may have had 2 nobodies one for ventus but still having a connection to Sora and one for Sora himself. I guess that is a wrong belief though.

I wished this video existed 19 years ago

You did this very well

“Not too complicated” and kingdom hearts is not a combo I expected to hear today lol

"Not too complicated" I'm gonna need like 3 or 4 more diagrams. This is convoluted as fuck.

"Not to complicated" I play the games and still barely understood that.

Dude, Kingdom Hearts spaghetti logic should be a crime.

I assume that just as Xemnas is the shared Nobody of Terra and Xehanort the same can be applied to Roxas being the shared Nobody of Sora and Ventus and it’s cause of the connection between Sora and Ven that Roxas has Vens appearance

He's as Nomura stated the Sora-Ventus Nobody being born from two hearts and harboring Ventus' heart throughout days while growing his own

This is Kingdom Hearts. Either you're Sora, you're Xehanort, or you are a side character and do not matter.

So what I like to think that he’s a nobody made from the fragments of ventus heart at the time. Which is why he’s able to grow his own heart so fast despite the fact that he remembers NOTHING about his past or self from the beginning of the game.

Game theory could do a deep dive into this, and people would still be confused

Mickey might as well be Sora at this point

"not too complicated" he says.

Short answer the game developers were just to lazy to make a new main character

My personal headcanon is that he's sort of both, and that's why he had two keyblades, specifically two that represent light and darkness

"Not too complicated" 😂😂😂😂

Legit just 😮. That’s a GOOD fucken question I never asked myself

Forgot to explain how Vanitas looks like Sora so people aren't confused

Bro, that’s a lot of info in that small amount of time 😅

this is also why roxas can naturally wield 2 keyblades without the need for special transformations, since both sora and ven are keyblade wielders, roxas adapted the ability to use 2 keyblades at a time and this is why naminé doesn't look exactly like kairi either, she adopted ven's blond hair

Thanks for explaining this

Ventus impregnated young Sora with Roxas

Yet somehow in the original kh2 everyone comments on his likeness to sora (when they used to use the same face model). Which makes no sense as it’s an amazing coincidence sora happened to look like Ventus

To this day I still don't have an answer as to how his nobody existed simultaneously with him returning as a somebody and throughout chain of memories. Obviously 358/2 days didn't happen in the span of 10 minutes so like how did Roxas exist up until kh2?

When you understand this mechanic in KHs magic system. Roxas being Sora becomes clear. His memories would be Ventus's memories. However, Roxas sees Sora's memories in his sleep. Thus proving he is a product of Sora's heart but influenced by Ventus. Nice video

The whole point of the story is Soras unshakeable kindness. And every time he's about to forget it, Donald and Goofy show up to remind him.

Man my brain is not processing😢

TL;DR: Ventus' heart hiding inside of Sora made the whole "split into two beings" thing REMARKABLY more messy, with Roxas being the biggest victim.

I came and left with no information gained

**makes a complicated explanation** "Not too complicated"

This actually makes sense

i’m sad and upset that such a question exists in the first place

Kingdom hearts is just alot of soras vs alot of xenonorts