When smite 1 was young you could build any item on any character as we see in smite 2. I was very sad when they changed it so personally i love that they brought that system back in smite 2
I would agree if hi rez wasn't famously bad at balancing anything. The game is just gonna bounce between unplayable meta to unplayable meta without some kind of restrictions.
@@Garronivor the beta and season1-2 were my hayday. Made it to diamond joust/conq. Must have been super early because I joined up around just before Fenrir dropped and it was already split between magic and phys.
Tbh, this is my opinion, as long as smite stays a 3rd person moba that fills its character roster with mythological characters then it is smite, at least to me, no amount of changing the map or replacing items and mechanics can change that. That’s what smite is to me, so keep those core values and it is still smite, just with a 2 at the end.
Well, considering the camera is totally different and the isometric camera is the main reason I'll never play LoL... no. So SMITE 2 could never be like League, unless they go to that isometric camera. And so FEW MOBAs even use the 3rd person camera, that SMITE and SMITE 2 will always have that advantage over the others.
Strength/Int system is awesome and allows for better build diversity. It was a fun but underutilized system in Smite 1 before they removed it but now with gods like Neith they’re more clearly designing gods around the system rather than just keeping them strictly in a role. I think Smite 2 needs to find a visual design philosophy closer to Smite 1 as it is currently a bit generic looking and remove bushes. That’s what the 3rd person view is for to provide a “psuedo stealth” against people with no awareness
Same! I'm not playing an RTS game where I need to manage a bunch of buildings, economy, armies, etc. So why are you displaying it like that? It makes it feel like I'm controlling my character, where Smite feels like I am my character, if that makes sense.
What id like them to do is combine siege and joust 3v3 2 lanes 1 jungler that way joust would effectively be a good practice map for people so that if they get into conquest they have a better understanding of what is going on. Plus siege was the best game mode
I prefer domination to siege and wish they would bring it back besides for special events, but it's still a good mode(I think siege is called slash now?).
If there is one thing hirez should do with smite 2...its still the vertically from paragon. It was great to have the jungle feel like a jungle. It dipped below and over the lanes, you'd have to watch for ganks from above and below and seeing characters literally tower diving from above was awesome.
What makes Smite, Smite is it's roster and the 3rd person camera. Making the items and scaling revolve around AP and AD i.e. intelligence and strength and having hotkeys for items isn't gonna chip away at its identity. Honestly I hope it's more like League in terms of game mechanics. The one thing that League has always had over Smite is its character design. Balance aside. The kits of the champions were far more inspired than the kits of the gods. King Arthur and Cthulhu are two of the wildest kits yet League has Chogath that can become a kaiju, Sion can go Thomas the Tank Engine across the whole map if he wanted, Heimerdinger is just a more interesting Vulcan, Yorick is a fun summoner type character and Warwick's just a more fun Fenrir. League of Legends actually experiments and tries to do creative shit whereas Smite god design for the last two or three years has just been. AOE, AOE, AOE, AOE
Hard disagree as someone who's played both. Chogath turning into a kaiju is almost purely cosmetic. His actual gameplay is like a less fun geb except he has NO movement abilities and ONE knock up. Sion's charge is clunky to control and is hardly his main gameplay gimmick. In fact sion is so unfun that people were for a while playing lethality sion where they purposefully die with him for more attack speed instead of actually playing him as a juggernaut. Smite has had some hiccups in its recent character releases but on the whole they are MILES better than leagues. Maui and atlas are some of the most fun guardians they have ever released with Maui being a direct upgrade to league's thresh by being more dynamic and tanky. You're gonna bring up cho gath of all people without even mentioning surtr's ult which turns him into a literal meteor?? Honestly the only recent smite characters I've not liked were lancelot and ishtar and ishtar is still genuinely fun. Meanwhile the "experimentation" in league boils down to "let's make smolder an adc version of kayle but not think through the logistics of how that would work AT ALL" where he was the weakest character in the game for the first two months and then became the strongest because they over buffed him. Plus smite's recent visual designs for characters have been so much better than league. Smite actually adds MONSTER CHARACTERS. League appeals to players who want to solely play as sexy attractive characters with little to no variation between them. Famously most modern league female characters look like kaisa and males look like kayn (see withered rose talon.) Naafiri was the first ACTUAL monster character in YEARS. The only other one was bel veth who is still has the face of a hot lady half the time lol. Meanwhile in smite we get martichoras AND bake kujira who are both character types I havent seen in any other moba. Hell I dont even think pokemon unite has a whale or a lion
@@matabishippuden6965 as someone who has played chogath in league i am inclined to agree because chogath is either farming to get his size or just walking around eating people, but i will give cho'gath a benefit of the doubt because he is one of the first champions to enter the game so his old kit at the time was fun but it is definitely outdated. Skarner helps with this ideology as his old kit was also unfun and outdated but recently became incredibly fun and some what unique (as his e is literally kayn 3 but with a stun.) Smite keeps the uniqueness going because instead of making up kits for made up characters they based the kit off of the gods strengths and known gifts and abilities based on their mythologies.
I haven't heard anyone suggest the following: follow the money. Do conquest players generate the most revenue and is this expected to continue into Smite 2? If so, focus Smite 2 towards those players and adapt Smite 1 to the casual base. If the data shows that the casual base generates the most profit and/or HiRez is banking on the goal of having a new game launch *attract* and *retain* profitable non-conquest players then they should remove the casual modes from Smite 1 and focus Smite 2 on non-conquest modes. Follow the money to ensure profit and survival of Smite in all it's versions, anything else is just going to cause a mess and since they have Smite 1 they have the advantage of being able to focus each game towards the profit and playstyles of the less profitable group.
Nobody ever seems to learn their lesson when it comes to games copying each other i stg, WoW and the legions of imitators taught us that nobody is ever gonna leave the game they invested more time in for something similar no matter how new or interesting it is, Smite 2 has yet to have that problem imo bc it’s simply different by design being based off Smite 1 but the item changes imply that this is the new direction they’re going in which worries me
If smite 2 becomes just like league and they do a perfect job and make it literally exactly the same but 3rd person no meaningful amount of lol players will come over they're not only invested for like a decade into lol but LoL also has a massive budget, a tv show, tons of merch, A championship that looks like the Olympic ceremony its not happening. Smite2 should be looking into a different market to take players from not make a game that looks like worse LOL. Smite got a ton of paragon players when it shut down because those guys didn't want to play league.
Always appreciate your content and your takes on smite. I hope smite 2 does well. But im going to just switch and devote my time to learn league. I want more complexity and a better competitive scene to watch and perhaps get involved with some tournaments for fun. Im just done waiting for high rez to make smite better. Ive played smite for 7 years and I dont regret, I just wish Smite wasnt so poorly managed. Also if valves new game does well, that could harm smite and potentially steal players. Also, high rez has a good library of failed games, from lack of care. So I dont have much confidence nor want to waste more of my time playing their games. Good luck smite gamers
the issue i have with str int system is if you nerf something to help nerf one or two gods you end up with items like pythagorems piece got nerfed into oblivion to help with the mage solo meta which made the item practically never bought after the update and on top of that having gods like freya or chronos have a crit option could be a huge problem for balancing and whats gonna happen to items like lonos where its only available on mages/hunters which it may not be the best item but at least it was unique so are we not gonna have items like that because it looks like they are trying to make every item available on every god so if they do add it guardians will basically only be building it unless they nerf it into the ground or there are more better options in which case why it be like pythagorems piece all over again and we haven't even covered active items cause how do nerf a item that may have decent stats and a decent active where you might buy it every game because its a jack of all trates but nerfing its stats or active effect could completely ruin the item so do you leave it strong or nerf it and it never ends up being bought again. HOWEVER to play devils advocate the idea of having more gods viable in more roles is awesome and having more items available overall is a good thing and having active items is probably better then the relic system. so to conclude its a good idea IF they can make it nearly perfect but on flip side you can have it fail entirely and possibly ruin the game which would suck because at the end of the day i love smite and i dont want to see it fail.
This might be a dumb idea but Ive always thought it would be great to get a speed buff or an structure dmg buff when the whole enemy team is dead or an increasing one depending on how many people is dead, I think it would make teamfigths even more rewarding and add an extra potential of a comeback since when you are loosing badly and manage to kill the whole enemy team you usually dont have enough time to make a significant comeback. Idk if Id add this on ranked but on casuals migth work great
Slightly. In a way they're adding runes. I am perfectly ok with the item system and god reworks to have unique scaling/hybrid scaling. I just hope they keep making kits interesting.
The part I dislike about the item store is that there is almost no real way to interact with the item store outside of playing. The practice mode is a joke and they don't have the "build builder" that they have in Smite 1.
I will never understand the complaint that conquest is the main focus or criticism. Should there be other fun game modes? Yes. But almost every moba focuses on conquest/5v5 3 lane mode. Even other multiplayer games clearly have a main focus on a specific mode.
Personally I think smite needs to be like other MOBAS, imagine everything we love from dota and league, but 3rd person, with a high skill ceiling, interesting deep gameplay . Idk sounds like a win win, there is a reason those other games are substantially more popular that smite. And if smite in facts becomes more popular, that means more money for hi-rez to do amazing things with the game. Just a thought
I agree itemization, active items, the darkness of lanes and general systematics try to be LoL too much anI afraid that Smite will lost its own unique touch
Just a few things to say as someone who only joined at season 10. I very much hope they don’t make every character a copy and paste of smite 1 again and everything’s very updated. Each character is a chance to make a new characters kit on a character everyone knows and loves. Imagine your nox, who I’ve heard people describe as a boring kit, having maman’s kit. This is their chance to take future ideas and throw them out without having to make new gods. More is not always better. As someone newer, playing smite with the number of gods in the game I have to learn to counter plus the amount of items I have to learn what they do is painful. Just taking their current god roster and reworking their abilities would be much nicer than adding new gods imo. Smite 2 does have some simple issues though such as lighting and audio things being just bad. I will agree there but things like Morgan’s 2 being a delayed cast is just a learning curve not a huge issue. To my friends and other more dedicated fans lots aren’t taking this as a new learning path and as a badly designed game but from my perspective it’s a new thing to learn and practice. In summary I just hope everything they do in smite 2 is a huge change after all they can always continue to change things.
I commented on both of these reddit posts and as someone who has played mostly Smite, but also a bit of League, I truly don't think Smite 2 is anything close to League. The core gameplay of Smite 2 is still Smite 1. The gameplay loop is basically the exact same. As long as Smite 2 keeps the 3rd person view, lack of last hitting minions, easy to clear minion waves, 90% abilities in the game being skill shots, auto attacks that require aim, items and levels coming online relatively quickly, etc. the game will still be Smite. And so far Smite 2 is exactly this. The only way Smite 2 would be too much like League is if they turned it into a top down, click to move, point and click abilities/auto-attacks, last hitting minions to get any gold, and slowed down the pace of the game drastically. If anything, Smite 2 needs to adopt more changes from the 2 titans of the MOBA genre being League/Dota 2. These games have a great formula and I think Smite 2 could greatly benefit by taking notes. I do still think Smite 2 should try to remain what it is, but they need to make big changes in order to keep the game fresh and alive. This is especially true if they have a large focus on bringing in new players. One of the easiest and most beneficial changes Smite 2 could make that is like League/Dota is to increase to max potential of scaling in the game. Smite 2 items are awful right now and makes builds, or getting to late game, just not exciting. MOBAs are scaling games. The general gameplay is starting off very weak and then becoming a late game monster and your goal is to get there as fast as possible by farming/fighting efficiently. If all the items in Smite 2 have only 2 stats on them with negligible passives, it just doesn't make me excited to get full build.
Not enough like League yet they don’t even have no heal & shield power items and they still kinda seem like their pushing support to still be tanks we want enchanters and tank jungles
Players contradicting themselves. I seen some players say the game is too quick now and I got others like the one in this video saying its now at a crawling pace. WHICH IS IT?!
Dont you deal physical damage or magical damage in smite 2 depending on your character? You just scale on strength or intelligence. Why else would hirez say if you play strength sol you still buils magical pen
I dislike the Intelligence and strenght mecanics. Before, we used to build power and EVERYTHING including your abilities / Auto Attack grew in power. Now let's say u play Neith well you are either going full strenght for chunky Auto or Int for ability blast. In both scenarios, either your auto are weak and ability strong or vice versa. This sucks. If you want a bit of both well you will be mid at everything. There is no W here
I would vote no, a group of my friends play league and they never ever sound like they are actually having fun. Smite however i do find myself laughing and actually having fun
Yep not a fan of the item shop or the strength intelligence thing like the 1st guy said, seem to be over complicating thing for no real reason and doesn't make since to me that I'm building an intelligence build on a character that one of my abilities is jus not useful at that point and I have to remember which ability scales of what Stat with all the passives and long ability descriptions I'm trying to memorize already
Personally smite 2 for me is just not there yet, needs far more characters, they need to start introducing at least 1 major rework with a lesser rework minimum.
Smite 2 is nothing like league of legends. League doesn't take your skins away when they graphically update their game and then proceed to insult the player base with cupons.
I play predecessor a lot which is a league clone. They went in and just copied how league did mostly everything and I can tell you with 100% certainty smite 2 feels completely different from that game
Yes. It's very sad to see because Smite started out with a unique niche and slowly drifted toward the low ttk bursty league bullshit over time. Smite 2 is making it more obvious with the copy & paste from league format. They may end up pulling some league players over while losing those decade-long dedicated players they had already.
I wonder why no one is considering arena players. Meaning what if smite end up becoming more of a arena mode game which is already the most popular mode
Haven't finished the video yet but I think the worst part about smite taking things from league is they take the bad parts that league players don't like big one being the bounty system shit is ass
Only reason I play smite is because riot removed the dominion game mode from league, which is the smite arena equivalent. Fuck conquest/summoners rift, farming minions and jungle is for pve nerds, gimme that constant teamfight brawl with 0 downtime
lol honestly that’s what they maybe doing low key. Focusing more on their arenas players since it’s the most popular mode on the game and literally carrying it at this point. But like you I only play smite for the arena and never touched conquest. What’s cooler than having mystical gods fighting each other to the deaths lol?
Honestly more Smaller items that are used in mire different items is way better than what smite has now. All items on alk gods, like in early smite is better too. And what does that first dude mean? RTS mobas only have strategy and smite is action skillshot based. Like lol is way harder than smite. And skill heavier
