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Is Talc Makeup Giving You Cancer? Not So Pretty Ep 1 Reaction 

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@stephaniesoter9969
@stephaniesoter9969 2 года назад
I own an asbestos consulting firm in New York US for 22 years and I am very impressed with your video. My only comment is that some of your graphics, especially the risk and dose ones, could be up for longer than just a few seconds. The asbestos industry is very much about liability much more than public safety, at least in New York. Thank you for explaining the risks in easy to understand points. I love your channel!
@LabMuffinBeautyScience
@LabMuffinBeautyScience 2 года назад
Thank you!
@sovrappensiero1
@sovrappensiero1 2 года назад
She has those graphics up for a lot longer than a few seconds in original video she referenced about that!
@noodlepoodlegirl
@noodlepoodlegirl Год назад
This happens a lot in social media- you need to get used to pausing to read and study. It's something I had to get used to lately as well.
@ToddyWestropp
@ToddyWestropp Год назад
I have meso from asbestos in make up. From New York. Please try to explain to my why something that is supposed to make me feel good, will kill me? I am in the process of litigation now. It’s a disgrace and the companies have known for decades. Why not so much fuss made? We die. And quickly. I couldn’t watch to the end of this video. I have chemo today and I’m just shocked to have the piss taken out of me for something that will kill me. And is real. Please help fund for a cure. Then you can all feel it’s ok to put asbestos in talc based products now. Anyway. I need to get ready to be poisoned to try to live.
@Siberius-
@Siberius- 10 месяцев назад
​@@noodlepoodlegirl - When I watch youtube (on my PC), I always have one hand resting on the keyboard. thumb on the table. Index finger on the space bar. Middle & ring fingers on the < > keys. Pinky finger on the backwards arrow key. It's very ideal. Plus my index finger is then right beside the M-key, too. Pause, frame-by-frame, backwards 5 seconds, mute. Also while the space bar is held down, the video plays in 2x speed, which is such an awesome update.
@tophers3756
@tophers3756 2 года назад
I'm a guy who doesn't wear makeup, but this kind of purposefully slanted documentary makes me angry. Thank you for covering it and shedding some light. I hope this video gets shared with likely viewers of the doc who are vulnerable to the shenanigans.
@amaya3253
@amaya3253 2 года назад
Yes! My cousins wife told me she watched it and I sent her this video as soon as I saw it! So many people are easily convinced unfortunately.
@petramilanovic3434
@petramilanovic3434 2 года назад
@Trinity M he can say what he wants to say, he doesn't need your permission
@JP-yy3hy
@JP-yy3hy 2 года назад
@Trinity M I know it might have gone way over your head, but I think he was trying to emphasize how the bulk of the "documentary" doesn't really apply to him, but misinformation is an evil in general.
@jeanalindo5118
@jeanalindo5118 2 года назад
@Trinity M Considering what she said in the video about how many men are actually at risk for this cancer and asbestos I think that it makes sense that he points out that he’s a man that doesn’t wear make up because asbestos puts everyone at risk, not just women or people who wear make up
@Siberius-
@Siberius- 10 месяцев назад
​@@Givebackthescarf - I do agree. Was rather unnecessary lol (which is fine enough, just something I also thought was interesting). Guys very often feel the need to add these details, to make sure people know that they're not doing the un-masculine thing in question ("un-masculine" for the particular society and time in question). I used to do it a lot without even thinking about it, and then when I realised, I would question why I feel the need to clarify such information about myself. Usually it's unnecessary and I take it out. Also often really reinforces weird gender-norms in society (intentionally or not). Not to delve TOO deep into something that has nothing to do with the larger point he was making lol. I did like the comment.
@riaria652
@riaria652 2 года назад
I have OCD and have been afraid of chemical ingredients and cosmetic products for years. In my opinion, the target audience of marketing techniques like Clean Beauty is people like me, for whom they can easily arouse fear. Thanks to your videos, I stopped being afraid and constantly on the lookout for "chemical hazards".
@kai_fatallysapphic
@kai_fatallysapphic 2 года назад
That's very true, I'm not yet able to receive any sort of diagnosis (for anything) but I experience a lot of paranoia and anxiety, it's mostly related to people and germs, but when I used to watch documentaries like this they really scared me.. I hate that clean beauty is preying on people with mental health issues, even if they may not realize it. I'm super grateful for people like Michelle spreading correct and accurate information!
@allieconzola
@allieconzola 2 года назад
That's awesome! I'm sure it also took a lot of mental work to overcome that fear caused by OCD.
@peggedyourdad9560
@peggedyourdad9560 2 года назад
@lily If it makes you feel any better, as long as you aren't doing lines of it or purposely trying to huff it, you should be fine. Even then, whatever health problem you could experience would be more related to you having inhaled a large amount of fine powder.
@thiswillnotdo6027
@thiswillnotdo6027 2 года назад
me too. its really affected my mental health and im starting to realise this stress will kill me before any of these chemicals will.
@yeonjun4thgenitboy272
@yeonjun4thgenitboy272 Год назад
I too have ocd and ever since I watched the documentry, I literally haven’t been able to do my makeup and have to skip over half of my makeup routine :(
@minminbtscookie9542
@minminbtscookie9542 Год назад
I was really concerned when i heard about the 'link' between overian cancer and talc, because my mom died from that type of cancer. I was thinking of replacing my makeup products with ones that don't contain it, which would lead to money going to waste for no reason. I remember watching girls on tiktok throwing away their expensive makeup products after watching this documentary. It's truly shameful that they manipulated the audience that way, because fear is one of the greatest motivator for us humans. Thank you for that video!
@LabMuffinBeautyScience
@LabMuffinBeautyScience Год назад
Sorry to hear, cancer is awful! Glad you found this helpful 😊
@lemoncakesandmoonpies
@lemoncakesandmoonpies 2 года назад
I really value this. I took the information from the documentary at face value, and it's really eye opening for me to really sit and consider the ways in which I need to fact check and be informed of biases. I didn't throw away products, but I could also see the sneaky way that they tried to infer that clean beauty was going to be the answer to all of this which is...still marketing and pushing an agenda.
@nomegustaperonoquieredecir3514
@nomegustaperonoquieredecir3514 2 года назад
One day my sister came to me and said something like "If you are going to buy this sh*tty makeup, you may as well just not buy anything. That's poison." And then gave me a sermon about more natural alternatives. She was so rude and I couldn't get her to question her own standpoint. I'll just show her this video and hope she starts being more critical when choosing her sources.
@prettypinkprince
@prettypinkprince Год назад
Update?
@belalugosisdead4444
@belalugosisdead4444 10 месяцев назад
You could also just tell her that asbestos is natural, it comes from the earth but it's not very good for us
@ChibiChidorii
@ChibiChidorii 2 года назад
Any time I see a documentary about health and it only includes one doctor I get suspicious (since doctors tend to have different views). When a documentary about health doesn't have a single doctor or health scientist theres a big red flag
@andreeab5579
@andreeab5579 2 года назад
thank you for talking about this! I watched this doc two weeks ago and the entire thing felt so...off. from the lack of relevant expertise to those three websites/apps shown at the end of each episode. watching your vids brings me a lot of peace of mind (and reminds me to assess all the info I get from the media more critically). I'm tired of all the fear-mongering when it comes to food/makeup especially.
@abolishdrake
@abolishdrake 2 года назад
I'm so glad you're covering this (haven't even watched the video yet) cause I saw the title of the doc and just KNEW it would be laced with propaganda and fear-mongering
@laur83
@laur83 2 года назад
i knew it was just gonna be clean beauty fear-mongering nonsense. thank you for clearing this up and adding an educated perspective!
@Alex-up6kc
@Alex-up6kc 7 месяцев назад
It's interesting reading some of these comments with words such as "fear mongering" and such. I never paid much attention to ingredients in my makeup products and wasn't really knowledgeable about talc and asbestos. It wasn't until my mom was recently diagnosed with mesothelioma in Dec. 2023 that my family and I were absolutely dumbfounded. We couldn't find any link as to how this could be possible. The only thing we have concluced is that she's been using powder foundation, blush, mascara all from Lancome which all contain talc for the past 20+ years. It's so easy to say "it'll never happen to me" or documentaries like this are "invoking fear." Our lives are now completely shattered as we have no idea how long we have left with her. I just encourage you all to maybe truly think twice about what's in your cosmetics. Talc is so unnecessary.
@LabMuffinBeautyScience
@LabMuffinBeautyScience 7 месяцев назад
As mentioned in the video, asbestos is an incredibly common building material and in brake pad dust - it would be incredibly unusual if your mum had gotten more asbestos exposure from makeup than from those.
@cupiedoll9759
@cupiedoll9759 2 года назад
I’m so glad we have you to get to the “REAL” truth. You are a lifesaver! 🥰😘
@Forestfreud
@Forestfreud 2 года назад
I KNEW IT! I had suspicions about the documentary the whole time I was watching that episode and ESPECIALLY when they plugged specific ~clean beauty~ apps at the end. The conspiracy that episode was trying to outline seemed like it was really disproportionate when you weigh the PR/harm the companies would be doing with the profits they gain specifically from using talc. Companies sometimes do elaborate, almost comically cruel things, yes. Maybe even often. But those things are usually simple and highly profitable. J&J and the other companies mentioned were all HUGE brands that sold a ton of different products, there was no way it would be MORE convenient for them to keep giving people asbestos products than it would be to use cornstarch-based talc alternatives, especially since the government subsidizes corn farming. I got so sketched out by that series I knew they were being sensationalist at best and dishonest at worst. Never forget that the “clean beauty” industry is worth billions too. Somebody has an interest in you using those apps to tell you what products to buy.
@samf.s8786
@samf.s8786 2 года назад
Hmmm during medical school I was told that when used in powders for chafing, it was found to have a correlation with Ovarian Cancer.
@ptxdearpearsDQ
@ptxdearpearsDQ 2 года назад
Thank you. I have not seen this series (don't have HBO), but I watched "Toxic Beauty" documentary...which is focused on talk and parabens.👍
@LabMuffinBeautyScience
@LabMuffinBeautyScience 2 года назад
Ugh yes, that one was terrible as well and used some of the same sources 😒
@w.w.w.n
@w.w.w.n 2 года назад
Love your clear logic!! One would think they consult industry experts including scientists before they air the stuff, but that means they'll cancel themselves so ...
@curlsofa2017
@curlsofa2017 2 года назад
I’d be interested to know who funded this documentary. That clip about the clean beauty apps looked like straight up ads.
@abeach5420
@abeach5420 2 года назад
Outstanding yet again !! I worry though that teens {of whom are sooo highly influential) and everyday pple whom are not into fact checking and reading science journals like many of us do....that they will not pay attention to i.e. this long video explaining all such important points and bringing facts to the table.
@LabMuffinBeautyScience
@LabMuffinBeautyScience 2 года назад
Yeah... I'm going to make some short-form videos on it too, but it's always hard trying to condense it to that sort of length without losing a ton of accuracy!
@abeach5420
@abeach5420 2 года назад
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience I hear ya and being one of whom is entrenched within science you of course want to ensure we have allll the important 'deets.
@tashinaroberts8929
@tashinaroberts8929 2 года назад
small little detail but i greatly appreciate the "kalm" and "panik" memes you used in this lol
@sunscreenhoarder6558
@sunscreenhoarder6558 2 года назад
I’m really enjoying this new goofy editing!
@3pagesmanquantes
@3pagesmanquantes 2 года назад
Thank you so much that video. You are an unbelievably important voice in the beauty community.
@JentriQuinn
@JentriQuinn 2 года назад
Thank you for taking the time to shine light on this, Michelle. As a beauty creator who also has a background in film I was really disappointed in how the filmmakers used their talents to make these stories seem like facts to produce fear. Gives documentarians a bad name. 😞
@eloisa246
@eloisa246 2 года назад
so glad u covered this! please do the other episodes too, especially the phthalates one i’m so curious of your thoughts!
@bellebb8673
@bellebb8673 7 месяцев назад
I've never been concerned that talc products contain asbestos and cause cancer. I agree, the facts just aren't there. But I have found, after trial and error, that talc in eye makeup is really irritating to my eyes. When I use products with talc, my eyes are more prone to itching and redness. So, I use some "clean" eye products not because I believe all the hype, but simply because I think I have a mild allergy/sensitivity to talc. I'm thinking that may not be uncommon.
@yensid4294
@yensid4294 2 года назад
That documentary felt like a hit piece on Johnson & Johnson to me. Their company was mentioned so many times by name & by association when showing B roll of J&J products while talking about other potential causes of contamination/toxicity
@angelaquigley396
@angelaquigley396 2 года назад
Lol the opening was so funny! Thanks for this fun video made more fun! As always great video.
@tYNS
@tYNS Год назад
I am freaked out, I used rust-oleum primer 10 years that contained talc. I sanded the primer flat to fill-in the voids on the wall .. .The company just recently added a clause that their products can contain Asbestiforms as impurities. I wrote them and at first they had a chemist tell me there is no level of asbestos in their paint, I press a little more because of the added safety warning and got a PR response saying they spoke with their supplier and can't exclude the possibility that Asbestiforms can be in their product in trace amounts. They stressed as an abundance of caution they added the warning. I am so confused and sick to my stomach that I contaminated my house and poisoned my wife and child. There was no mention of asbestos being in the safety sheets 10 years ago. I am not even sure what to think anymore.
@gasparinha
@gasparinha 2 года назад
At least we can use any mention of EWG as a litmus test for sound science - but it sounds like this happens at the end of the episode. I'd be pretty irritated if I'd wasted an hour of my life before they recommend the apps! Thank you for taking one for the team here. :)
@cheaminks
@cheaminks 8 месяцев назад
Apologies if you have done so already but a video with tips on how to see / critically evaulate the gaps and issues with papers would be great! After understanding the paper, noticing the issues can be hard.
@flawlix
@flawlix 2 года назад
Just from the initial sketch alone, I love you
@nadiahassan5307
@nadiahassan5307 2 года назад
Was reading up on it, and found that for the nail episode, the quoted someone who seems to have just graduated, but doesn't have a science based background, and seems to like to subscribe to "clean" marketing. HBO really did just cherry pick their "experts" didn't they.
@francedangela9556
@francedangela9556 2 года назад
I miss my “real” baby powder. Corn starch doesn’t do it for me. I guess I’ll stock up when I travel to where it’s still sold.
@MissMagic
@MissMagic 2 года назад
Check that you can import it and if so maybe you can buy online from Europe or UK.
@francedangela9556
@francedangela9556 2 года назад
@@MissMagic I did but the price is about X5 so I prefer adding travel to visit and discover a new country while I pick up my powder 🙃
@bonnieguo3349
@bonnieguo3349 2 года назад
Thank you for reminding people that many older homes were built with asbestos in the walls. Corrin, the MUA was born and raised in a small town just west of New Orleans and the risk of asbestos exposure is much higher in many parts of the South in the US because of hurricanes and hurricane cleanup. If she has spent most of her life up until the documentary at least living in Louisiana I would not be surprised that she caught a mesothelioma diagnosis living literally just off the Mississippi River during multiple hurricane seasons. Her love of makeup and her profession just cover up the fact that the United States has poor storm and flood infrastructure and is insulting to victims of natural disasters in underserved parts of the country,
@jessicajovel8194
@jessicajovel8194 2 года назад
Thank you for making this video, I'll be waiting for the rest
@maxwolf9058
@maxwolf9058 Год назад
I discovered your channel and this video after watching a recently uploaded video by Bailey Sarian covering chemicals and other supposed toxins in makeup, candles, and fragrances. As much as I like her videos I found that one a little skeptical for me on how much she was saying was actually true. No hate to her whatsoever but I became curious and did my own research. Thank you for making this video.
@qley6711
@qley6711 2 года назад
It's sadly not surprising to see that "documentaries" about beauty are just as bad as "documentaries" about animal agriculture... both pushed by organisations with a certain agenda without the involvement of scientists, misrepresenting facts, skipping over vital information. We need to start looking at documentaries more critically and not just take what they say for granted :/
@isobel5175
@isobel5175 Год назад
I love that you talk about this, it's easy to just panic seeing this and this Is more nuanced. I did think though that the whole the dose makes the poision wasn't true with endocrine disruptor and it seems to not matter the dose and its actually random, but maybe that study wasn't a good one idk 🤔
@160p2GHz
@160p2GHz 2 года назад
I always wondered how common this issue was so I appreciate you talking about it and the science. Like I know from geology there might be little pockets of asbestos in talc as it's mined. But that seems like something a mining company or the buyer could get an idea for, like from one area what is the fraction? Is it low enough to be used in cosmetics, etc. Also it seems likely, as asbestos specifically is mined for other applications, that some prediction about where you'll run into it could exist, though it wouldn't surprise me if some very small fraction was always a possibility just as there are pockets of other crystalline forms in other minerals. The real question is in what amounts and what sorts of products is it actually harmful, so I was happy to see there's been more research. To me this is very much like a person saying "i got ecoli poisoning. we tested my lettuce and it had ecoli. so we need to ban lettuce." Like... ok but in that case ecoli is always present on lettuce and over all sorts of surfaces, the question is how do we tell where there's too much, do we need to shut down a few particular sources, can we test better for this?
@160p2GHz
@160p2GHz 2 года назад
Also I just really love how you talk about probability. I always say I think one of the major disjunctions between people with good science education and those without is that scientists' minds think of things in terms of probability much easier. Still occasionally believe silly things of course but it makes it much easier to spot BS or at the very least, things one shouldn't be paranoid about.
@LabMuffinBeautyScience
@LabMuffinBeautyScience 2 года назад
Yes! I've really noticed this type of probability/concentration thinking with pandemic risk communication as well - it's difficult to grasp and communicate, but once it's there it makes evaluating personal risk so much easier! Also just conceptualising how things work in everyday life. Thank you statistical thermodynamics 🙏
@mrtingle13
@mrtingle13 2 года назад
You sound like my asbestos training instructors, very well explained!
@malikagoel934
@malikagoel934 2 года назад
Can you please make a video about polyethylene in cleansing balms? Please?? I trust no one but you🥺
@anniina2253
@anniina2253 2 года назад
I just wanna comment to support ur evedense based videos, thank you so much 💙💙💙💙💙💙
@mirensummers7633
@mirensummers7633 2 года назад
My dad died of mesothelioma and it is truly a horrible cancer, but the risk is low and its kind of a roll of the dice whether someone will get it, even if they work in close contact with asbestos. I understand why there was a huge frenzy about this because it is such a fatal cancer but I think this was overemphasised to bring more attention to the documentary which is pretty dishonest. I suspect she may have unknowlingly come into contact with a more significant source of asbestos at some point in her life as the amounts in the makeup were so small
@sarahanna8661
@sarahanna8661 Год назад
Can you do an episode on PFAS in period underwear (like Thinx)?
@KirillySpace
@KirillySpace 2 года назад
Great essay. Well done.
@LabMuffinBeautyScience
@LabMuffinBeautyScience 2 года назад
Thank you kindly!
@noneofurbusiness5223
@noneofurbusiness5223 2 года назад
Who financially backs these docs?!
@LabMuffinBeautyScience
@LabMuffinBeautyScience 2 года назад
Usually it's the streaming service - I've spoken to people who pitch docs and they've said the services are usually looking for sensationalism to get views (and therefore money) unfortunately...
@gabriellaanderson8133
@gabriellaanderson8133 Год назад
I an so glad you made this video i found out all of my eyeshadow has talc in it and i freaked but the vid made me so much more relaxed
@joannewang86
@joannewang86 2 года назад
Hehe I love that you have the Broscience book. He's hilarious!
@cassandra3426
@cassandra3426 2 года назад
Her voice is perfect 🙌🏼
@smushface3999
@smushface3999 Год назад
No adult woman is buying makeup from Claire’s… it’s a store that sells cheap girly junk for the 8-13 year old demographic
@astrea79
@astrea79 2 года назад
Soooo...you're saying I didn't need to throw out all my makeup after watching this episode? Great. 🙄
@LabMuffinBeautyScience
@LabMuffinBeautyScience 2 года назад
My advice is always to put it away in a corner instead of throwing it out 😭
@JG-jb3tg
@JG-jb3tg 2 года назад
Thank you so much for bringing real science and nuance to these issues!
@brooklove90
@brooklove90 2 года назад
That intro had me rollingggg
@milkythoughts9500
@milkythoughts9500 2 года назад
Lab coat returns!!!! Now I can finally trust you!!
@HeyHolly14
@HeyHolly14 2 года назад
You are my favorite person 😁🌸
@Donteatacowman
@Donteatacowman 2 года назад
I hope this gets a ton of views.
@dorothymasey2784
@dorothymasey2784 2 года назад
What do you know about talc in multivins and minerals? Could that contain asbestos? Could it be better not to have them?
@liznotslow
@liznotslow 2 года назад
Great video!!
@umbellicalchick5635
@umbellicalchick5635 11 месяцев назад
I love this channel
@jesseh998
@jesseh998 2 года назад
It was recent thats why they left it out i also wondering and came to that conclusion while watchinh them all
@LabMuffinBeautyScience
@LabMuffinBeautyScience 2 года назад
Not that recent, and given all the other evidence of cherrypicking I think it's more likely intentional...
@jesseh998
@jesseh998 2 года назад
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience clearly it is intentional because their narrative is the lack of regulation with potentional hazardous toxic chemicals since the beggining and people not getting heard through out history on how these products happen to "unintentionaly" harm innocent people that want to take better care of themsleves. I been into self care since high school and can confirm its not easy since we all are bombarded with what we should use and not by nearly everyone in the media.
@Kiyoko191290
@Kiyoko191290 2 года назад
Is there a chance that the asbestos in my high school could have made my bronchiectasis worse?
@cynthiavaldez1182
@cynthiavaldez1182 2 года назад
Thank you
@DarkAddictionx
@DarkAddictionx 2 года назад
They want us to throw away our makeup so we can buy more :))))
@baredfaceforward
@baredfaceforward 2 года назад
finally!!! i wanted to watch it on discord but I'm a RU-vid person
@Californiagirrllllll
@Californiagirrllllll 2 года назад
Can you talk about the Cetaphil cleanser reformulation? I have not used Cetaphil in years, but I was about to go back to doing so UNTIL I saw recent reviews on their cleanser and users are visibly upset over the new formula.
@AlexaDonne
@AlexaDonne 2 года назад
So glad you're talking about this! I watched the doc but found it annoyingly reductive and slick... felt like an advertisement in parts, itself. Leaned a bit too heavy on the "pop science!" doc side where I prefer those with more even keel tone and spread of talking heads. All docs have bias but this one was pretty egregious, re: fear-mongering/sensationalism to drive views/HBO Max subscriptions.
@LabMuffinBeautyScience
@LabMuffinBeautyScience 2 года назад
Yeah I felt like this one was a bit heavy-handed with the persuasive techniques! But it was definitely effective - I found myself wanting to believe a lot of the time, even though I knew there was better evidence, and some things like the completely one-sided roster of experts wasn't entirely obvious to me until I listed them all in a spreadsheet :|
@khalilahd.
@khalilahd. 2 года назад
This is so scary and I hate how they use these platforms to show half naked theories 🙄 glad you’re talking about this and I LOVED the intro btw 😅
@karatalksaboutstuff7333
@karatalksaboutstuff7333 2 года назад
I think you might have meant "half-baked," but I really like "half naked" SO MUCH BETTER!😆
@noodlepoodlegirl
@noodlepoodlegirl Год назад
I'm 11 months late, but I agree. The intro was so cute and funny! I'm glad she throws her sense of humor in there. I appreciate it.
@Vivi-ux4wg
@Vivi-ux4wg 2 года назад
They have ads for clean beauty apps in their documentary? Clean Beauty brands use talc too, because it's considered a natural ingredient. How hypocritical of them. I saw an ad for that documentary and I knew something about it is suspicious. Thanks for talking about this!
@aprilchang2653
@aprilchang2653 2 года назад
You are doing God's work with this channel to fight misinformation. thank you!
@LabMuffinBeautyScience
@LabMuffinBeautyScience 2 года назад
Thank you!
@Marib918
@Marib918 2 года назад
I jumped on the “clean beauty” wagon years ago when I was trying to get pregnant. I’m so glad that people who are knowledgeable professionals like you are debunking this false narrative. Thank you so much!
@unmellowyellow
@unmellowyellow 2 года назад
Me too! I ended up with scars all over my torso from scratching myself so much.
@kagitsune
@kagitsune 2 года назад
So glad that you were able to get out nof that mindset! I'm curious, what convinced you to listen to the legit scientists?
@user-qj9en1kp1m
@user-qj9en1kp1m Год назад
@@kagitsune I also jumped on the band wagon of clean beauty some years ago, ended up reading the labels and ingredients on everything that I was buying. There was a particular website that also had an online shop and I was reading lots and lots of articles on this site. For me the first warning sign was when the lead writer answered a question about palm oil in various products and gave me the impression that while they were advocating for the holistic approach of clean beauty, they did not really care about palm oil plantations and their negative effect on the ecosystem. Then there were some comments and an article that seemed to me to be on the anti-vaccine territory. Eventually my enthusiasm faded, because I realized how one-sided these articles can be and how easily they can be misinterpreted by uninformed or misinformed people. I am not going to pretend that I wasn't left with some good things from those months: perhaps I became a more informed buyer, I try to buy products free of animal cruelty and I understand that just because something is natural it doesn't automatically mean that it is better.
@retos-ph9ly
@retos-ph9ly Год назад
@@unmellowyellow why?
@kisikisikisi
@kisikisikisi 2 года назад
What drives me nuts is that these "documentaries" get funding and a platform by companies like Netflix and HBO. It lends so much credibility to these things and gives them an audience that's so much bigger than it otherwise would have been.
@ajae...
@ajae... 2 года назад
Netflix and HBO are entertainment companies, so they platform shows for that value. Somewhere along the way documentaries were confused with muck racking or true telling. That'd not what they are for. They exist to give a certain perspective, so they are always slanted. A documentary shown on PBS is no less likely to be slanted than one Netflix, depending on the topic, of course. I do think PBS would have done a better job at this topic by at least seeking differing opinions But please trust they have other ways to ensure the creators' pov is central.
@chaoticchemicalromance
@chaoticchemicalromance 2 года назад
I expect more from HBO. The home of John Oliver where research is actually properly done.
@ajae...
@ajae... 2 года назад
@@chaoticchemicalromance Except for the Venezuela hit piece he did. The Empire Files shredded it.
@eloschk
@eloschk 7 месяцев назад
If I may give my two cents... any film, series or documentary can get government funding and investors. The subject doesn't really matter, because the government's goal is to help create local jobs and develop the local industry, and investor's goal is to get a profit. Meaning, none of the investors are looking into what is talked about in the project, that's for the filmmakers to do.
@karatalksaboutstuff7333
@karatalksaboutstuff7333 2 года назад
These asshats had my poor mom absolutely convinced that she was going to die from ovarian cancer. When I texted her that 2020 paper to set her mind at ease, she was like, "How about I just believe you and stop worrying about it?"😆
@LabMuffinBeautyScience
@LabMuffinBeautyScience 2 года назад
I really hate the whole aspect of clean beauty that leads to self-blame for conditions that have huge genetic components/other contributors that are hugely out of the individual's control, it's very medieval 😒
@karatalksaboutstuff7333
@karatalksaboutstuff7333 2 года назад
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience AMEN!
@Piqued5
@Piqued5 2 года назад
I'm so glad you're covering this..please do the rest of the series 🍿 We need better regulation of the beauty industry but we also don't need fear mongering bc that actually makes it harder to make good laws
@LabMuffinBeautyScience
@LabMuffinBeautyScience 2 года назад
Exactly! There's a lot of energy being spent on unproductive/counter-productive actions 😩
@katherinemorelle7115
@katherinemorelle7115 2 года назад
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience I'd argue that's because all they actually want is to make money. Money from a sensationalist doco one one level, but also what are the connections to those clean beauty apps? Or clean beauty brands? Maybe I'm just cynical, but everything about or economic system suggests that profit is almost always the motive so I doubt it.
@LabMuffinBeautyScience
@LabMuffinBeautyScience 2 года назад
@Katherine Morelle There does seem to be a lot of involvement from the usual clean beauty orgs like the EWG, Breast Cancer Prevention Partners...
@sovrappensiero1
@sovrappensiero1 2 года назад
@@katherinemorelle7115 following the money is ALWAYS a smart way to be skeptical!
@Forestfreud
@Forestfreud 2 года назад
My biggest tip for documentary-watching is to keep in mind the “troubling trio,” which is used for detecting questionable research practices in science but can also be useful anytime you’re digesting information. Watch out for: 1) low statistical power: in documentaries this mainly shows up as a small sample size. If there are only 2 main cases it’s following and they don’t provide rates of mesothelioma from makeup exposure that are generalizable to the whole population, ask yourself why. 2) a surprising result: does the documentary outline an elaborate conspiracy that seems too crazy to be true? It probably is. This documentary and Seaspiracy come to mind off the top of my head. 3) low statistical significance: in documentary-watching, check for a lack of citations, and if you’re already feeling skeptical, check up on the citations they do provide. Look to see if any of those citations are scholarly sources and if they provide significance levels. If there are no scholarly sources or no citations or no experts of the right kind/experts who disagree that are displayed in the documentary, that’s a red flag. Stay skeptical :)
@mcd4370
@mcd4370 Год назад
Thank you so much for this. Knowing how to educate ourselves is just as important as education itself. There is so much fear mongering, misinformation and intensive marketing that as consumers we have no idea what to believe. I am so glad that today’s consumers are more educated than ever and we need learning.
@mayatodorova283
@mayatodorova283 Год назад
I still do believe in the Seaspiracy documentary and think it’s legitimate
@schmeeps4052
@schmeeps4052 2 года назад
I’ll bet that those clean beauty apps mentioned towards the end had some kind of a stake in the funding of the documentary👀 Excellent video! Your channel has helped me demystify and lessen my anxiety about stuff in cosmetic products🥰
@liciamariavalente3500
@liciamariavalente3500 2 года назад
I was impressed at how biased this documentary is and seemed to be full of superficial information. Thank you for this video, the other episodes are just as bad as the first one.
@colinf2316
@colinf2316 2 года назад
Thank you for this Michelle. My sister is all about that "au natural" life. She eats up green washing and clean beauty (Everything is killing you!). It drives me nuts but I send her your videos and I think we're slowly making a difference! 🙏😎🤜🏻🤛🏻
@tdsollog
@tdsollog 2 года назад
I’m an industrial hygienist who wears makeup. I despise fearmongering. Thank you for doing this video.
@LabMuffinBeautyScience
@LabMuffinBeautyScience 2 года назад
Thank you!
@SinfulSloth
@SinfulSloth 2 года назад
I'm kinda worried about how talc is sourced. I've heard that there are issues with people who mine the talc getting exposed to asbestos and it's hard to know whether the people mining it are protected eg child labour in developing countries
@emmaphilo4049
@emmaphilo4049 2 года назад
That's a good point.
@LabMuffinBeautyScience
@LabMuffinBeautyScience 2 года назад
There's mixed evidence for cosmetic talc miners getting mesothelioma, with most studies seeming to lean towards not - but I don't know if that's the same case for places with poor workplace protections. I think it's worth noting that risks to workers don't correlate with "clean" vs "dirty" - either way, probably a good idea to avoid child labour regardless!
@SinfulSloth
@SinfulSloth 2 года назад
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience agreed with 'clean' vs 'dirty' I'd rather my products last longer and have fewer irritants than natural products. It's a relief to know mesothelioma isn't guaranteed with talc mining. Thankyou so much for making this video, I know over the years there have been articles about asbestos being found in a small number of beauty products, but those brands have received a lot of backlash from consumers. If it was more common then more brands would be named and shamed like Claires has been.
@itsgonnabeanaurfromme
@itsgonnabeanaurfromme Год назад
​@@sylvain123 so you don't wear fast fashion? (Most are made by underpaid workers in third world countries) you don't buy apple products or shop from amazon?
@rosewaters9991
@rosewaters9991 Год назад
My grandmother has used talc powder since she was a youth. I wouldn't say she is the beacon of health, but talc use hasn't been part of her health issues.
@blackrosenuk
@blackrosenuk 2 года назад
I was about to watch this yesterday, I kid you not. I decided against it because I was I was all, "This is probably going to be like the sunscreen-benzene scare." Sounds like my concerns were well founded. No surprise. I thank you for making this video, and I appreciate your thoughtful, science-based commentary. Always on-point.
@hrhsophiathefirst4060
@hrhsophiathefirst4060 2 года назад
Well done! I am a big fan of science. Huge! I work in Finance and we have a saying, if you cannot identify the product, you are the product. A lawyer as an expert is suss at best and purposely mis-leading at worst. Everyone is looking to be the next Erin Brokovich!
@lizcademy4809
@lizcademy4809 2 года назад
Worse yet, a lawyer representing the plaintiffs is not an unbiased expert.
@annabeinglazy5580
@annabeinglazy5580 2 года назад
I have actually been to a Talk with Erin brokovich and ended up leaving early because she was pushing this "i didnt have to be an expert to know sth was wrong" narrative. Sounded less Like environmental advocazy and more Like self-Help. Im super impressed with what she managed to do, but to completely Discount the need for scientific backing in a world that already pretends that climate science isnt a Thing seems more damaging to me than helpful
@eduardaarrais
@eduardaarrais 2 года назад
Speaking of talc you reminded me of a question I had and kept forgetting to ask you 👀 are dry shampoos with butane and propane good, or not really? I keep hearing mix opinions. What I usually hear: - thats nothing wrong with them - they're bad for the environment - they're bad for you overall - they're only bad for you if you breathe them in so use thsm outside So... which is which? If anyone knows, I'd be very grateful to know... I recently got bangs and they get oily so fast that I really need to get my hands on some dry shampoo 😩.
@marthelea
@marthelea 2 года назад
I have been thinking about the same questions 🧐
@ah5721
@ah5721 7 месяцев назад
Klorane botanicals spray dry shampoo doesn't have butane etc. It's rice and oat starch with clay powder. I bought it at Ulta. Works great
@drizzyyy222
@drizzyyy222 Год назад
i'm late to this video, but i searched up while having an anxiety attack over me using airspun for a year. i had watched the hbo show earlier this year and it did not leave my mind all this year thinking i was at risk for cancer even though i just started using makeup a year ago. however, you do not know the immense relief your video gave me. i really thought i was at major risk for lung cancer for using this product. please continue to do videos like these to better inform the millions of people like myself who have been misguided and have irrational fear to many products due to misinformation. much love and take care!
@LabMuffinBeautyScience
@LabMuffinBeautyScience Год назад
I'm really happy to hear that! 😊
@maristar852
@maristar852 2 года назад
Do you need to worry about asbestos in your cosmetics? Not so much. Should you sleep in asbestos snow like in "The Wizard of Oz"? Maybe not
@chamorrojen1905
@chamorrojen1905 2 года назад
Episodes like this is exactly why I'm a loyal subscriber. Your intro to this video was hilarious and shows the importance of knowing your sources at the same time. Soooo well done! I'm not even finished watching, but I just had to comment and give you some love for your amazing work. Thank you, Michelle!
@jenluv
@jenluv 2 года назад
54 seconds in... I'm gonna love this video... :)
@jenluv
@jenluv 2 года назад
Damn... they didn't listen to Perry. Stupid move...
@LabMuffinBeautyScience
@LabMuffinBeautyScience 2 года назад
Thank you! Yeah, I'm wondering who else they contacted and left out...
@mfindlayolynyk
@mfindlayolynyk 2 года назад
Love how you explain it all, and that opening was amazing!
@unfilthy
@unfilthy 10 месяцев назад
I have a problem with misleading documentaries that use manipulative tactics to get the audience riled up even when/if they're actually tackling an important subject that I happen to agree needs to be more properly addressed, because if you're being shady and inaccurate even while trying to raise valid concerns, you're only making "your side" more easily dismissed, and can cause more harm to your cause than the shady tactics help, if that makes sense. I feel strongly that if your evidence is solid, it can and should stand up to scrutiny, so let the experts present their best cases on both sides. I also find this a more effective persuasion tool than a clearly biased, one sided account. But then I come from an empirical science background (not STEM hardness, but same principles apply), so I am used to and expect to have theories and hypotheses tested, retested, studies replicated (or fail to) and methods and conclusions argued about for extended periods of time, and no single study being the be-all end-all of any such debate, let alone a handful of anecdotes.
@puffpiece1375
@puffpiece1375 2 года назад
Thanks Michelle. I was literally concerned this week because I inhaled some mineral foundation and thought I was going to die a painful death!
@TracyD2
@TracyD2 2 года назад
Oh no. Lol
@ambergerhelper7852
@ambergerhelper7852 2 года назад
Your nose hair probably caught most of it, and you sneezed it out later. 😉
@puffpiece1375
@puffpiece1375 2 года назад
@@ambergerhelper7852 No it went into my lungs because it made me cough
@aliasrose
@aliasrose 2 года назад
That's why I don't use loose powder makeup, even though it looks nice. I know it gets into your lungs and that can't be good. Using pressed powder should lessen exposure, or hold your breath when you apply it and step out of the room until it dissipates.
@sevothtartesama18
@sevothtartesama18 2 года назад
….but the FDA’s sample is not market-representative either. I live in Europe btw and we have had asbestos shockingly found in huge brands such as Douglas and Hema makeup. Which is most likely black label. Which makes you wonder where else it is. And there is no safe exposure level to asbestos according to authorities. Meaning one product in your lifetime is already too high. The way forward clearly is talc-free. Not because asbestos is in every product containing talc, but because it is in SOME and we do not know which.
@LabMuffinBeautyScience
@LabMuffinBeautyScience 2 года назад
As mentioned in the video, it isn't market representative since it was a biased sample, and biased in favour of a higher result. I also explained the "no safe exposure" part from 9:09 - yes it would be better to have zero asbestos, but the chance of developing mesothelioma from makeup use is vanishingly small.
@sevothtartesama18
@sevothtartesama18 2 года назад
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience did you read my comment? 🤔 I am responding to what you said in your video regarding the sample size not being representative, and countering with the fact that the FDA’s sample is not market representative either. I am an experimental scientist as well, I am well aware how sampling bias works. According to health authorities (thus not fear-mongerers or people with an agenda) there is no safe level for exposure to asbestos (as for example there are safe levels of impurities in food and supplements, such as acceptable levels of mercury in fish oil). Finally, how do you calculate how small the risk is for a user? By assuming that the way they use makeup is as intended? Have you seen how beauty users (who in turn copy YT beauty gurus) apply setting powder? It creates *clouds*. When were the presumed safe ways to use makeup thought up? When everyone used the sponge-tip applicators that came with shadow and did not disturb the product enough to lift and create kick-up? Before people used brushes thus? Brushes that they then tap-tap-tap to remove excess product creating more mini clouds? And if there is no safe level of asbestos why risk consumer health at all? There are plenty of acceptable bulking agents to mix with pigment, such as zea mais starch, kaolin clay, etc. I appreciate your educating the public about how skewed and sensationalist certain documentaries can be, but if you too are a scientist, then you must know that you would need a longitudinal study comparing two groups to make a pronouncement on how infinitesimal or not the chances are.
@Bianca-nb7by
@Bianca-nb7by 2 года назад
Hi Michelle, this is a little off topic but I was just curious what your thoughts on witch hazel are, particularly as a main ingredient in a toner, like the Thayers ones. I’ve read so many conflicting things about it and am pretty confused 😕
@monio.9444
@monio.9444 Год назад
Speaking of talc, please can you make a video on the Korean No Sebum powders? Are they any good? Was considering getting the etude one or the innisfree one, but there's no way of finding testers in my country so i have no idea if they're really good or just falsely hyped up on tiktok
@ohauss
@ohauss Год назад
As a fellow chemist and molecular biologist, thank you. This whole narrative is absolutely mind-boggling. Alas, we see that in a host of different contexts. "Experts" with no actual expertise for health outcomes and lawyers all too eager to hit the motherlode with scare stories. And alas, all too easy in the US, where convincing a jury can be much easier than convincing peer review...
@davidschonfeldwichers8981
@davidschonfeldwichers8981 2 года назад
Waiting for Netflix to get Michelle her own documentary.. I would love for it to be called “skin is BUMPY” regardless of the actual content of the documentary
@chaltrs
@chaltrs Год назад
Is this only relevant for the US? Cuz I have a products from china
@millerstation92
@millerstation92 10 месяцев назад
oh ya, we're fucked. I'm living hedonistically after using talc. I know my time is coming due to this shit
@User0899
@User0899 2 года назад
Loved the intro! 😍😂 Anyway, thanks for exposing unethical practice to cherry-pick content in such documentaries. It’s really so frustrating to see how big production companies just don’t care bout facts and truth anymore, this is just pure fear mongering.
@iamluckylukas
@iamluckylukas 2 года назад
I was waiting for somebody in the science beauty space to talk about this! I watched a little bit of the series and had to turn it off because it just felt off and incredibly biased to get people to fear everything and buy “clean” or whatever. Great video as usual!
@Whenfandomscollide420
@Whenfandomscollide420 2 года назад
I purposely didn’t watch this documentary because I could tell it was all fear mongering. Just the fact that people on TikTok were throwing out mass amounts of makeup because of this documentary was a big red flag 🚩 to me. Glad you made this video to show the biases in this documentary. Confirmed I made the right choice not watching it.
@maryamirfan9197
@maryamirfan9197 2 года назад
But what worries me most is that there was a time when tobacco consumption was actually seen as healthy. Doctors still push prescriptions that have been sponsored by pharma brands. It's a confusing world
@dahliadialup
@dahliadialup 2 года назад
oh man I’m SOOO happy to see this one! I think it’s from my parents but asbestos is like one of my biggest fears in general (hello popcorn ceiling). Can’t wait to hear your information
@LabMuffinBeautyScience
@LabMuffinBeautyScience 2 года назад
As an Australian, fear of asbestos is part of our national psyche (and justifiedly too) 😩
@dahliadialup
@dahliadialup 2 года назад
It’s really interesting how ingrained this is within so many people. It’s also like that here in the US.
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