Do people not realize that bisexuality exists? Your marriage to a man doesn't have to be "staged" "fake" or "for PR".. . If you've dated a woman previously. BOTH relationships can be valid and legit.
That's what makes me so annoyed with these speculations. It's so bi phobic. Like okay maybe she's dated women, but they are so instant everything we know is false. Maybe she's bi or something idk! But it's bi erasure
I’ve had crash-and-burn friendships as a bi person with someone of the same gender, where the gayest thing about it was that I thought they were pretty ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Agree - not only no romance, but no sexual intimacy. Some women are very close with there female friends: they hug, they hold hands - think of it more like sisters. I believe the problem is a part of the LGBTQ community may misconstrue this type of closeness. Other heterosexual women that have not grown up around close female relationships may also not be able to relate to this type of dynamic. I sincerely do not believe Taylor is a part of the LGBTQ community, but is an ally. Not believing Taylor or taking her at her word, and continuously insinuating she's something she's stated she's not, takes her sense of agency and identity away. It's simply not cool and borders on harassment, bullying or abuse. I imagine it makes it awkward for her to feel normal within her relationships, it intrudes upon those relationships, and it makes it challenging for her to openly support the LGBTQ community in the way she would prefer. Sometimes folks, a beard is just a beard.
Ha, of course they can be friends, but... ~ I'm a 62 yo Gay *not bi, lady . I had many girl to girl, friendships . Then, I was cruelly "outed, at 15"; 1975-76 . So, no more friendships, with homophobes; quit school . Bi gals I knew became friends, not lovers . I think she, is Lgbt-friendly, likely 'Bi' . In today's hater-culture; if she is; her "freedom to tell it, sadly, doesn't exist' . Her fame iS very "Costly, and either way; bisexual, is So likely .🌈♥︎🌬🕊🕊
I always appreciate when creators give a warning for flashing lights 💙💜 it's a small thing, but I'm epileptic and I have easily triggered migraines, it means a lot
a big problem is lesbian/bi/generally WLW people finding her lyrics relatable to their queer relationships and deciding that this is definitive evidence that Taylor is gay. which... is delusional. if anything, songs about Taylor's feelings towards the men she has dated being able to be easily translated into queer contexts is a testament to her songwriting skills. love and heartbreak is a universal thing. Taylor puts it into words incredibly well. her sexuality is none of our business. gay, straight, bi, ace, or anything in-between, why do we care? why do we fucking caaarrreee
her sexuality is not our business, but you all seem to defend it very passionately. you are as obsessive as gaylors, a fanbase that represent a small pourcentage of the swifties so IF they are delusional, fine, but no need to go after them that way. what they do is harmless, and actually is a very thorough job of analysing songwriting, and songwriting is exactly the thing Taylor wants people to read. TS may not be queer but she leves enough space for the question to arise, and TS knows exactly how to construct her public image (and I'm not blaming her for this, in the contrary). The speculation is logical and I don't get why non gaylor fans are so mad about it.
@@lexshizumdot2115 the gaylor community actually causes a lot of harm. it has caused many of her friendships to break down. she literally had to say how upset it made her that people continued to do that. i know you think just fantasizing about taylor being gay is harmless, but it’s become so widespread and some people are actually so fucking delusional it’s affecting TAYLOR, the person you’re supposed to be a fan of
I just started listening to her. I'm an, um, self-identified former music snob. But i'm also 47 now and that's f*cking childish at this point. Love what you love. And, Swift writes catchy and beautiful music. Love it, love her. And her records can sit nicely between T.Rex and Teenage Fanclub records.
I think she is gay and has made it a business decision not to come out, worried how her young swifties parents would react and possibly loosing business. Also because all her music is written about male relationships could be looked at possibly as lies. At this late date it could really become a major problem for her because of the way people might perceive her. Just saying T
One thing I'd like to add that I haven't really seen being taken into account is that not only gaylors are gulity of speculating on Taylor's sex life - I mean there's like a million posts about every public or semi public interaction between her and Travis Kelce. This is just as harmful as any other speculation but never gets called out in the same way as when gaylors do it. We all know the "predatory gay" trope and I think it's important to consider that some of the (legit) criticism comes from (or is feeding into) this homo- and queerphobic trope rather than actually caring about Taylor's privacy (because it's not voiced in the same way when in concerns hetero relationships).
I understand your sentiment, but I would note that Taylor and Travis have openly confirmed they are in a romantic relationship together. While speculating about people incorrectly or intrusively, in general, is not good, speculating relentlessly about one's sexual identify despite their feedback is quite different and hurtful on another level. Just my 2 cents.
Its ok to speculate about her straight relationships but you dare speculate that she could be bi, then people go insane. I think that is passive homophobia to be honest.
@@annisha68if it were that simple and harmless maybe I’d agree with you lol but like the gaylor fandom is not just casually speculating that she’s bi lol they quite literally take it way too far …. Also speculating on whether she’s bi, gay, OR straight isn’t good, multiple things can be criticized at once. I understand that som ppl absolutely do criticize in bad faith but like, let’s not pretend the gaylor fans are acting normal lmaooo
Also, it’s 2024. It wouldn’t be shocking or controversial for a pop girl to come out as gay or bi. Most people wouldn’t bat an eye. I don’t think there’s any legitimate reason she would be hiding her sexuality at this point in her life and where we are as a society. Her fanbase is already largely queer or lgbt allies as it is.
Taylor just telling people to vote sent conservatives into a frenzy. She's way bigger than someone like Billie Eilish. Plus, Taylor has way more of a mainstream "look" and sound than Billie who has always had an "alternative" look and attracted a queer audience to begin with. Not to mention she has a reputation for dating around and writing breakup songs about men. It would absolutely be shocking.
If you have finished the video, hopefully you'll be able to see that there's many legitimate reasons for her to want to not speak up about her sexuality, but I really think that saying "it's 2024, it's no big deal" is a far too simple way of thinking. On top of the arguments made in the video: Taylor Swift's fanbase is not largely queer, it contains many many straight girls. And many straight women that claim to be allies, and that will fully support men in their queer identities, still have trouble with accepting queer women. I'm not saying that that's all of them of course, but speaking from personal experience as a queer woman, a lot of straight women can feel put off/threatened/uncomfortable because of queer women (while still being fine with people that are just strong allies). By coming out, Taylor could lose the trust of a lot of these fans. While I'm not trying to say that Taylor should cater to this audience, I definitely don't believe that it's true that her coming out wouldn't affect her status at all (especially when you take into consideration the conservative fans as well). But even if it were to not be a big deal to the world to have another queer popstar, Taylor is not just a pop star, but also a person. She has friends, family and plethora of interpersonal relationships that could be greatly affected if she came out. There's plenty of unfamous people that are closeted too; the general populus wouldn't bat an eye if George from Minnesota came out, but it WOULD affect their personal lives/personal circles. And we don't know everything about Taylor's personal life and what is safe/comfortable for her, so in this way coming out could be a very big deal as well
I think Taylor would become a bigger target then she is now for the far right. They see her as a threat because she is so successful as a woman, but if she were to come out as queer that would be a stratospheric threat. As much as i would love her to come out, part of me would hope that she does not. I care about her as a person first and would not want to witness what would come her way if she did. Also her straight fans would feel absolutely betrayed.
I’m just a pansexual and because I own a small business when I do marketing or sell in person or online I am constantly berated, verbally attacked and harassed. I am often called a groomer, a pfile and much worse. I don’t have a clue what it’s like for gay men, lesbians, trans and other people who are outwardly who they are. With the 2016 election people felt like it was ok to be bigoted out loud and proud. It’s been so much worse since then. While many would be so supportive, the world would go haywire if TS came out.
I find it disgusting that people are seriously WANTING her to be gay or bi. Stop it and leave her alone. It shouldn’t matter what her sexuality is. Stop involving yourself in her life.
I really appreciate the thoughtfulness you put into this video. A lot of times when content creators critique gaylor theory, they start calling gaylors disgusting, perverted, etc. and it's just done with a lot if venom--so thank you for not doing that. This was a very well rounded video :) As a gaylor who mainly enjoys interpreting her lyrics through a queer lens, I think there are valid critiques and I don't think we should be pressuring anyone to come out or discussing someone's sexuality in graphic detail. What's funny is that I actually got into gaylor theory after I heard "betty" for the first time. I wasn't even on twitter, so I went to tik Tok (probably a few months later) to see if I was alone in my interpretation. I eventually found the gaylor community and now I enjoy people analyzing her lyrics (or honestly sometimes her street fashion lol) and learning more about Taylor Swift (as she presents herself), myself, and my community in the process. Most of us really don't mean any harm! Her current relationship with Travis seems to be bringing her a lot of joy, so I hope he makes her happy :)
I mean they aren’t disgusting but they are a bit creepy because they’re literally headcanoning and theorizing about a real life breathing human beings sexuality.
Hetlors and gaylors both seem like toxic groups of people. Her being happy with who shes with is the most important thing. She is not obligated to say what her sexuality is. If she wants to say what she is, then that is her choice. Likewise for if she doesnt want to share
I think it’s probably impatience. It hasn’t caught viewers yet so RU-vidrs will assume it needs a more clickable title. The thing is, good videos often have a slower ascension to views than the flashy stuff.
This is absolute speculation, as I’m not a mega fan, but I have followed her, as a human, because I have kids who are fans. I’m an adult woman with autism, and I sometimes wonder if she’s a part of that tribe; an actual savant. If so, we often have a highly inflated sense of justice. I’m an ally for a ton of communities that I don’t belong to, because it’s the right thing to do. I think she just has huge empathy, and is trying to use her platform to responsibly affect change.
It's not a debate. By the looks of all those photos with that model. I wasn't even aware of this, but now her very public & fake (seeming) relationships with famous men make more sense. Those photos with Karlie Kloss are the MOST genuine relationship photos I've ever seen of Taylor, and she looks more natural and happy in those photos. WHY do celebs hide their bi or gay side? Just be you. All that fame but still afraid to fully be themselves, a shame. On the flipside.. it's no one's business. However. When you're putting in EFFORT to hide it, I think that might be a problem.
I don't know, maybe it's a cultural thing but in many places, we hold hands and even occasionally kiss on the lips our best friends regardless of their gender, and it's 100% platonic.
when people put in effort to hide, that might be a problem : the problem is homophobia/biphobia/queerphobia, and it's a problem created by society, not by queer people
Her father owned 3% of the record label Big Machine Records. She was well aware of the sell of her master catalog. Her father received 15 million for the sale. She is lying.
Taylor is growing up in front of our eyes and learning every second like a sponge! She is just 34 and proving her critics quite frankly, WRONG on the daily! Scary that porn is nearly a zillion dollar industry and that people get stolen and trafficked every second! Taylor is a people pleaser and wants to make as many people happy as possible (admittedly)! I love Taylor Swift and I just hope she is as happy a woman that she is beautiful! ❤
I'm sure if she was gay she would had let people know. Not everyone is gay in world doesn't matter how much you wish it. And you should respect that instead of trying to make her into one. Additionally she has to represent gays if she doesn't do that then they'll boycott all her future albums. Like what they did to hogwarts legacy because of Rowling views.
I do wonder what you think the antihero lyric "did you hear my covert narcissism I disguise as altruism like some kind of congressman" is in reference to if not her 'allyship' throughout the lover era though :)
As a "queer" and a "swiftie" (d tier tho) I use to just give the gaylors a small eye roll and not much more cause I assumed it was just a bunch of teenagers who liked Taylor and were being a bit too parasocial for sure but would grow out of it. I was horrified to learn adults, adults with the access to the nyts no less, believe this.
Ha same I am not a swiftie but follow a lot of sapphic and musical content online, so I would see the occasional Gaylor on my timeline and roll my eyes and scroll on. But then I encountered a few grown adults who strongly believed in this conspiracy like as much as flat earthers. I went down a rabbit hole and was shocked at the imo actual delusional and mentally unwell people who dedicate a lot of their time so this theory and will get massively upset of you refuse to agree or even seem impartial.
My best friend and I are both bisexual and Swifties (saw her in concert last year). I am adamantinely not a Gaylor, she is adamantinely a Gaylor. The way I see it, why would THE biggest pop star in the world not come out? She is so huge she could genuinely do whatever she wants. She does not need to do stunts and glimmers of things that would require layers of interpretation imo. Also, why be so defensive about a person you don't know and who clearly has chosen NOT to come out, if she were part of the community.
SHe has based her whole career on liking boys. So many fans would feel very betrayed if she came outa and said all of that was lies. Also the conservative parties have her in their bulls eyes. They absolutely freaked out when she said she was democrat. I can only imagine she would be shot down if she came out. Plus if she came out she would also be bringing other people out just by association with her. She may be famous and powerful but if this was to come out it would be completely detrimental to her.
@@lexshizumdot2115 tons of giant celebrities in the west are out! There really is no logical reason for her to leave all of these "hints" (which reads more like projection imo) and then skirt around the issue for years and years. Stars like Billie Eilish literally have songs about eating women out and they're just fine. Why put so much mental effort into a highly unlikely theory when we can instead be supporting artists who are open about who they are? It is a waste of energy.
you have no idea. I didnt believe in the rumours untill i did a deep dive either. I was shocked about how obvious it was. Hairpin drop for one. @@fritzy8318
@@lexshizumdot2115 I didn't. it showed up on my recommended. are you gonna sit here and tell me it's not weird to do a deep dive on someone's sexuality? some celebrities are annoying but sexuality is a personal thing. this is weird asf and if you don't think so, you're apart of the problem
Sorry but we’re not gonna both sides this. Gaylors have always been nothing but disgusting and critical of Taylor and every single relationship she’s been in especially when Taylor’s made it clear she’s uncomfortable with the theories. Calling gaylors out for this isn’t “homophobia” sorry
THANK YOU! They are actually so cruel and hurtful. If you criticize them, they shield themselves with “homophobic” when you weren’t even being homophobic, just pointing out that wearing a certain type of shoe does not mean you are gay 😅 every time I’ve seen their posts they have been unhinged and insane, going as far as to say her dad is making her hide her sexuality and is evil & that women can’t possibly have deep relationships with men so her lyrics MUST be from a gay perspective. Interrupt songs however you like, doesn’t mean that’s the truth of the matter. They are not just a community of people who “find references in her songs” they are cruel and nasty, and will call you a homophone for simply stating your opinion. It’s disgusting.
Instead of watching this vid, I watched “ The Unmaking of India: How the British Impoverished the World's Richest Country” I learned a lot more in half the time of the length of this trash content lol 👍
@@lexshizumdot2115 That’s because it’s when it needs to be said to remind people! Rumours are not facts either. It’s not your or my business whether it’s true or not.
I could really care about Taylor, Swifty, because Taylor Swifty is a Biden fan and she’s gonna be behind his campaign no way maybe she’s just by because now she’s dating a guy
You know tjat if she uses her art as a medium to try to make all sorts of private things known to us, and appears flags queerness in that too, people are valid for just thinking that, yeah?
You mention they want to be acknowledged and “seen” and represented by a queer pop star, but lesbian and bisexual female popstars already exist. So if that’s what they really care about, it’s weird to me they would obsess over outing a straight woman instead of supporting queer popstars that already exist. If that’s what matters to them. 🤷♀️ outing Taylor wouldn’t then mean there’s one lesbian/bisexual pop star. She would just be one of a community that already exists.
I don’t think they want *a* lesbian pop star. I think they want *the* lesbian pop star. A definitive star who is forced to represent the entire community at all times on the world stage. It makes sense that they’d try to fashion a white, thin, cis, conventionally attractive woman into their superstar because they see that as the “default”.
I think they want someone who they already like to come out, so it's not just them wanting representation but their huge inner fan wanting it to be specific people. I also think they find it easier and more significant for it to be someone who they are already attached to, rather than a new musician they don't know or already have many positive feelings about. On a similar note I like K-pop and a lot of fans speculate that female idols are lesbian/bisexual. However the ones that get the most speculation are from the biggest most successful groups with the most fans, like Blackpink and Twice. Even if they don't even act gay (based on stereotypes but same sex flirting isn't taken as seriously as in the west) and they don't state things suggesting they are anything but straight, tbh it seems people finding them attractive is what makes people speculate! Even if smaller groups have female idols who literally include a lesbian love story in their music video, or who very carefully word things to be inclusive like saying "boyfriend or girlfriend" "future spouse" etc they get overlooked. Moonbyul explicitly wrote and created a song with music video about 2 women in love and having sex yet it barely got any attention and a lot of sapphic K-pop fans don't even know it exists. So yeah I think a lot of it is based on the usual illogical fan energy rather than a more grounded desire for representation. With an added mix of LGBQ people wanting the idol they find attractive to be the one who is not straight.
Taylor is an incredible songwriter and storyteller, especially when it comes to love. And love is a universal human experience. As a bisexual person who has loved women and men, it's not really that different of an experience (the love and intimacy part I mean, definitely not the societal judgment or homophobia parts, of course). That said... not everyone who is annoyed by Gaylors is homophobic. The Gaylors I see on Twitter barely like Taylor. More often than not, they're posting really passive aggressive tweets about how angry or disappointed they are with her for not yet coming out based on this or that misinterpreted Easter egg (no shade, I interpret Easter eggs wrong all the time lol). I don't mind seeing valid criticisms of Taylor as one of her fans, but I don't like to see her catch vitriol for speculation gone off the rails (or Karlie, for that matter, her Instagram comments horrified me!) Meanwhile, there are so many out and proud queer artists right now (one of my personal favorites is King Princess!) I just wish Gaylors didn't work themselves into an emotional frenzy over something they may not even be interpreting correctly. Plus, if your appreciation for an artist hinges on their sexuality alone, then you're really not a fan of them or their art. I understand wanting to see yourself reflected in artists you like, but it should not be a requirement. Also, I really do hate the take that only queer people would advocate for the LGBTQ community. Whenever I see that as "proof" that Taylor is gay, it hurts my heart a bit.
EXACTLY i understand holding your favs accountable but if you aren’t gonna give both sides (ex: karli’s zionism) the same energy then your activism doesn’t feel authentic
I feel the same way about the Gaylors. I see them say often, "if she's actually straight, then her songs are crap". Like idk. Just enjoy openly bi/gay artists please. If that's what you need, do you, boo.
I'm not a fan of Taylor Swift, but I feel sympathetic for her in the sense that it seems her sexuality and dating life are always being discussed whether that's from the media or even her fans. I don’t care what Taylor's sexuality is. Whether she's straight or queer, it's not anyone else's business, and it's deeply unsettling that some people are looking so much into her life to "out" her, especially when there are many openly queer singers out there to look to for representation.
Straight people are always looking into her life. They are always speculating about what song is about who, they are always shipping her with someone ect ect. Its not just Gaylors doing it.
Taylor Swift being considered a gay icon by some people in the LGBTQ+ community is really confusing to me. It makes me genuinely curious as to what we consider a gay icon regardless of their sexuality. Like Beyonce is not queer herself but a large majority of the queer community would consider her a queer icon. I dont think Taylor Swift is an icon that the queer community can agree is our icon, and I wonder why that is.
I think it’s because while a lot of gay icons embody a spirit gay people want to have or respect even if they don’t want it, not everyone agrees that Swift’s vibe is aspirational. Then again, Ariana Grande is also kinda divisive in that way so maybe it’s an age thing. Maybe we know too much about them to look up to them. Curious to hear more hypotheses.
This is interesting… I think a lot (if not all) of queer icons that are not queer themselves have some sort of component of defiance in the content they produce, they in some way defy and oppose certain status quo notions, even if in their personal lives they’re still pretty much agents of capitalism benefitting from it (someone like Lady Gaga or Beyoncé come to mind, they both have that edge of pushing certain boundaries in society while still being mega billionaires who likely are shielded from most of these limitations due to their power and influence. Of course they still can suffer from the status quo, but don’t have nearly as much limitations as regular people have) this is imo really important for the queer community to feel like they can relate to them, the lyrics might not mention anything about being queer, but the overall idea resonates. LGBTQ people also love someone who’s unapologetic about themselves, like divas. But in general, it seems like some resistance to conformity needs to exist within the product for the community to truly accept the artist. This is something I don’t see in Taylor swift’s whole image, she might have some songs where she sings about it (I wouldn’t know because I don’t like her music and don’t know much about her work) but her as a persona doesn’t embody those qualities. She’s “miss Americana”, the girl next door, the WASP blonde girl from a wealthy family who got famous for singing country songs about teenage boys. I know her image has changed over the years and turned into something different, but her overall image keeps popping as the very image of conformity to the status quo. Like, even those alt-right white supremacist groups where claiming her as their queen for a reason, which is not her fault, as far as I know she didn’t endorse them and they’re just delusional, but I think it speaks about her image in general if a bunch of people who stand against what the lgbtq community stands for are claiming her. Again, not exactly her fault, but she has carved out this persona for herself that, while I understand can be relatable and welcoming for a queer person, is also in so many ways the poster for heteronormativity.
@@amapola9202oh that’s an interesting theory. Lady Gaga isn’t an ally though, she’s bi!!! A better example might be Cher, who pushed ideas of female sexuality in public.
@@biguattipoptropicaoh I’m sorry. I actually don’t know a lot about neither of their personal lives, so I think I somehow missed that. Thank you for the correction!
@@amapola9202Good points, I don't think Taylor is particularly brave or daring. Cher, Madonna, Kylie Minogue, Lady Gaga, they all were much more provocative on stage and quite outspoken in interviews, yet Taylor seems to play it much more safe. I mean it seemed to be a big deal for Taylor to decide to openly support lgbt people, and so controversial within her own team to hint at any politics. Other icons did that early in their careers and pushed whatever the norm was for that time and continued to push boundaries (personally I think having sex with Jesus was a step too far but you can't say they were playing it safe!) The other popstars also did it in a consistent manner that didn't feel calculated or shallow.
I totally thought that the Gaylors were insane and i identify as queer. However 3 nights ago i decided to do some deep diving into some forums that were run by Gaylors and i was shocked and horrified of the change in my thinking. The person that made this video really did not make a deep dive and only skimmed the surface. Taylor does drop certain phrases in songs that only queer people would know the meaning. Queer coding as they call it. Right where you left me there is a line about a hairpin drop. Normally you would just say you could hear a pin drop. Hairpin drop is queer coding. Hairpin drop in queer culture means sending signals to other queers that you are of that culture. There is so much more to that then i can mention here but if any of you here decide to do a deep dive you may be shocked. Some of the theories are reaching but some of them are so obvious to the queer gaze. I myself really do not want to have Taylor come out though. It would be so detrimental to her career. There are so many Taylor haters out there and this would just give them more ammunition. Btw i do think she is bi, i do not believe that Joe was a beard.
"Gay men were somehow more palletable before their female counterparts were." I appreciate this. Also while the issues is much better now I think both in media and real life the inequality remains.
Except it’s not true. Gay men take up much of the space of media because they are seen as more subversive and gay men are easy to pander to as a market (straight women are included in this market.) But in both legal and social history, femme homosexuality has typically been always more “palatable.” Note this does not mean accepted because obviously gay femme relationships have their own dynamics and struggles in being acceptedz
Im sorry but gay man cannot even be portrayed showing affection in a ton of media (ESPECIALLY children’s media ; queer women are more readily shown bc it’s easier to pretend they’re friends, which sucks for gay women too) without being heavily HEAVILY censored… this isn’t to say one group is more oppressed than the other but to say one group was ever more palatable than the other is crazy. We have GOT to stop framing queerness on a sliding scale chart with like levels of oppression and acceptance … its NOT subversive or helpful or even good lol. Gay men and women have similar but unique issues with oppression and it’s actually really truly bad for our communities to be comparing and contrasting like this. BAD take imo
Thanks for the objective analysis. I would also add a significant part of the speculation is due to her very short relationships with men for which she has written entire albums for. Harry Styles is a big one, where they dated for 3ish months yet we're supposed to believe the entirety of 1989 is about him. Not to mention all the songs about forbidden love, secret relationships and hiding... meanwhile she's calling the paps on herself when with these men. There is a dissonance there between her actions and the themes in her music. The moment I learned about "gaylor" I had an immediate aversion to it, probably because I like Dan and Phil too and always thought shipping them was creepy and invasive. However, one day I randomly stumbled upon a gaylor subreddit and checked it out out of curiosity. Now you can't convince me Taylor is straight, there's just too many coincidences for which there is no heterosexual explanation. Honestly I don't think it's the same. You can't compare billionaire Taylor Swift who will never see these gaylor theories and Dan and Phil who are very aware of every disgusting fanfic made of them. Not to mention gaylor isn't (for the most part) focused so much on shipping her with any of her alleged girlfriends as it is just theorizing that she likes women. Also, I'm not gay myself so I don't really care that much. I do feel bad for the queer Swifties who became really invested in it.
I just don't understand why we keep putting these people on pedestals and wanting to idolize them. Then when the real life isn't what we think it is we tear them apart. I think we need to focus more on what they contribute to the world and not their personal lives. It seems like we have a problem distinguishing them from parts they play and songs they write or sing. Just because we love something a part they played a song they made sang or wrote . That does not make them role models and we should quit trying to put them in that box they're just artists. That doesn't make them more than human we all make mistakes even them. If my life was out for everyone to make comments on I don't think I could take it. So I think we need to quit with all these expectations quit expecting them to be role models. Could you imagine everything you did everyone in the media would comment all of your fans would comment isn't it just enough pressure to make yourself. Aren't you supposed to use your younger years to figure out what it is that makes you happy?how about we just let them be artists and quit putting them on these pedestals and waiting for them to fall.
The parasocial relationship fans have with Taylor is scary. I saw a tiktok of a a swift fan explaining that she cried + wrote in her journal about Taylor not feeling safe to come out as gay. Like… wow, pretty sure Taylor would be uncomfortable with that behavior- regardless of her sexuality. (Coming from a swift fan that is very much not parasocial and delusional about Taylor)
Not a gaylor, but I'd like to remind this comment section that "gay" is not a dirty word. If someone says you are gay, even if you are not, your response shouldn't be vehement and you shouldn't act insulted. Some people's reactions are hysterical if you suggest a public personality could not be straight, and more often than not, this is rooted in homophobia. Nobody would be outraged if there was a theory stating Taylor likes dogs as much as cats, and has secretly owned dogs before. However, there is indignation when it is suggested she might like girls and has secretly dated some of them.
I agree to a point. Try adding millions of not only inaccurate but relentless assertions of one's sexual identify despite opposing information. Over years and years, from millions and millions, so very publicly. I would imagine it begins to erode one's sense of agency and identify, and interfere with her relationships. So while I agree that it shouldn't be offensive on first ask/mention, it's understandable why one might eventually respond "vehemently" or feel "offended," when dealing with the magnitude of intrusive, inappropriate, accusatory speculation about a personal matter like she has. Repeatedly.
I've believed she was 'Bi-sexual, for years . Female to female relationships, Aren't *Taken-Seriously; and their husbands Are the "Serious-relationship" ! I'm a 62 yo Gay woman; believe me; I've Seen it; I'm not Anti-Tayor...I don't Care . But I Can recognize what I've Seen So many Times .💯🎵🕊🕊
The reason why Taylor is so popular in the first place is because she’s universally relatable. Her songwriting, her art, and her productions so great that a wide variety of people find themselves in her lyrics. So it’s easy to see why people will find queer themes in her music, whether or not that was Taylor’s intention. But I don’t think it’s up to us to speculate on Taylor’s sexuality. Just for an example, I’m autistic, and found so many of Taylor’s songs to be relatable to living with autism. Does that mean Taylor is autistic too? Probably not! It just means she’s a damn good songwriter who captures a wide array of experiences and I too can find myself in her songs!
i can't think of straighter woman than taylor. i understand she has probably billions of fans and naturally a huge chunk will be lgbt and try to relate to their favorite artist, to feel they have something in common, but it's really not the case.
sooo messy 💀 reminds me of the shipping that happened on superwholock tumblr back in the day 💀💀💀 like these guys have wives and children can you all pls chilllll
I just think the optics of the Lover era and her loud silence about lgbt and trans issues since then is really strange. Nobody asked a straight girl to don the bi flag colors and center herself among a bunch of lgbt icons and sing about pride. she could have shown allyship in a better way. the you need to calm down video seems very performative and odd at best and completely distasteful at worst. even with the best intentions, you can't just co-opt a bunch of lgbt symbols and iconography as a straight artist. And I disagree, you can definitely profit off of the lgbt community. rainbow capitalism is a whole thing. and Taylor is capitalist barbie after all. putting everything about her personal life and relationships aside, just the art she has put out is very queer coded which is not in good taste if she's straight. thats just my take on it all.
But if she’s “Capitalist Barbie,” and this isn’t the first time I’ve seen this, wouldn’t she still be Capitalist Barbie if she were lesbian or bi? Would it help, or could it be seen that she heartlessly crunched the numbers and decided that the cost/benefits ratio favored coming out at this time? (Also, a lot of girls with different sexual and romantic orientations like pinks, rainbows, and pastel).
Subtlety has never been her thing. The reason she has such a mass appeal is hecause her music is simplistic and not sophisticated. Yes, everything she does is on the nose and super in your face, that's not unique to Lover, even in Folklore the whole image of poets as these fairy mystics who live deep in the woods is a very childish and literal idea and it's easy digestability is the reason why she is a billionaire todaym
Totally agree. I do think Taylor might be bi, but I don’t always eye to eye with Gaylor. Lots of times they’re too aggressive, I want to say that pls remind that the person you’re talking, speculating is a real person who has feelings. Relationships are complicated, PR things do exist in the world doesn’t means all her public relations are fake! And please show some respect to marriage and kids. For Heltor, it’s even worse. Too many of them are totally homophobic, quite scary. They do make me know how ‘conservative’ the world still is.
there are two things, either taylor swift is a naive girl who does and says things without thinking about the consequences, or she knows very well what she is doing and every time she talks about lgtb she says and sends signals that she wants to convey to the community. no one cries out loud while talking of something that doesn't affect her
to think taylor swift is anything but straight is like thinking beyonce is a white supremacist😭😭 she’s the official sponsor of heterosexuality,I think it’s just because she’s an attractive woman with attractive friends that teenage lesbians get excited about the skinship
It continues to be more fun for people to speculate on peoples sexuality rather than support those who are already out. I understand it's the excitement of the unknown, but it's unnecessary and extreme
im so shocked by this theory like people really think this when almost ALL of her albums are about a past relationship with a guy / her relationship with joe . How does that make sense??
They say women can’t possibly have deep relationship with men so they believe all her lyrics are from perspective of gay relationships. The narrator of this video conveniently leaves out the harmful rhetoric they pass around. They are all mostly nasty people who are probably hurt by people in their life, which is sad, but doesn’t mean Taylor is being locked away from her sexuality by the people in her life. And doesn’t mean they can attack everyone in her life as evil.
I think in general we should think of our interpretations of songs as facts, we don't know if her songs are about a lan or a woman, let alone a particular man or woman, so stating her muses for songs as facts is incorrect and wrong
If you deep dived into all the theories you would see its not bullshit. There are clear references to Karli, Diana and Liz in her lyrics. She specifies in her lyrics actual events that happened between them. These are her love songs. I only discovered the gaylor subreddit 3 days ago and i am completely convinced she is bi. If she is, so what, what is the big deal?
32:33 I feel awful that people had that happen to them… but the irony doesn’t escape me. I hope they understand what that feels like now and maybe understand why it’s better to keep the theory within their speculation circles and not loudly proclaiming it to the whole internet to the point an OpEd gets written about it. Again, they didn’t deserve doxing… and neither does Taylor.
It’s no one’s business but Taylor’s what sexuality she is. Gay, straight or bisexual, I honestly don’t give a shit. She has been a big ally to the LGBTQ community which has been invaluable. I only care about her music because Taylor Swift is a musical genius.
Yes, I’ve become way too invested in the Gaylor theory, and I have a lot of time on my hands. Anyway, Lavender menace = lesbians Lavender marriage = gay Lavender scare = gay Lavender= associated with gay resistance “1950” = a gay song by King Princess about having to hide gayness in the 1950s. Taylor said she is a big fan of King Princess. Purple is just associated with a lot of gay things. Sappho is associated with violets. Maybe she was unaware of the association, but I highly doubt that. She is a brilliant woman. The Mad Men scene is about how the main guy loves BETTY. Taylor is named after James Taylor. Taylor wrote a love song for Betty, “From a man’s perspective” (James). Gaylors are just following the clues from a gay perspective. Maybe all of this is a coincidence. Taylor’s lyrics are always cryptic, and it is fun to decipher the easter eggs. Everyone has a right to their interpretation. That is the beauty of art.
Bi. I think her music is such a generic boring drivel. She’s cute looking and she dressed as well, but sometimes not I don’t see anything this appealing about her at all the music today. The instrumentation really sucks all the instrumentation all the music. It’s just so boring no Melody no rhythm instrumentation no arrangements. People really don’t know anything about music anymore and to me is extremely boring and uninteresting.
My theory is that Taylor is an Asexual Covert Narcissist (She referenced being a covert narc in a recent song) who doesn't give a shit about romantic relationships but rather herself and her own career.
The fact they went on a vacation together, caught holding hands on MULTIPLE occasions, and possibly kissing...... and her fans are still saying "she's not bi/gay" 🤔🤣 fan denial can be adorable yet annoying.
