Hypocrites basically !!! They believe something that never happened for instance a 700 year old man with A ark and lions tiggers elephants on a ark ?? With PENGUINS from Antarctic 🙄🙄🙄
But they still taking about it we live an a free society. They can choose to not talk about it an still they talking about it after 2024 years this is not first debate about the Bible these being many more trough the centuries God is good amen 🙏
She deflected. Let's not address that God saw that lot was the only rightouse man in the town. And he offered his daughters up to get raped by ever man in the town.
Scientists believe they found the site of Sodom and Gomorrah. They believe that a meteor exploded over the city. It would have looked like a fireball coming down from Heaven. It would have burned the city in a flash. Shock wave, noise. If anyone witnessed it from a safe distance, it looked like God destroyed it utterly from anger.
***** Why are you talking about Darwin. Even IFFF (and i dont see how) Evolution is proven false, it doesnt give ANY evidence to support the bible or any religion. You still have the burden of proof. I dont see why you brought up Dawkins marketing tool to answer seashelleyes1's point..
😢@@Nijadj7 Dawkins is one of the heros among this crowd. Probably the primary hero. Wendy Wicke is nothing but a stupid snot. Dawkins should have slapped her, but he was too polite.
I feel sorry for Richard because of the amount of stupidity that he has to endure. I mean, people applauding a man who just said that there can be no forgiveness without cost? What the hell is wrong with this world?
Is it stupidity, though? I used to have that same simple view of believers, but now i see it more nuanced. I try to understand the backgrounds of those who believe, and understand how they got to where they are. Perhaps you or i, had our life circumstances been different, could have been as fervently religious as some who are.
@@trekkiejunkbasically it’s dogmatic indoctrination and telling a child that they will burn in a non existent place forever if they are naughty naughty or don’t believe is child abuse at its finest
Bruh why on this earth every criminal that commits a crime isn't forgiven? And why do you expect God to forgive when he is all holy for all eternity and can't even think about sin? And you want him to forgive without cost?
HAHAHAHA The evangelical man in red believes that a woman was turned into a block of salt?! And apparently 45% of Americans take this literally as well?! Is this real life I'm living?
I wonder if someone in there said they believed in Zeus, Apollo and other Greek gods and insist that this should be taught in science class just like creationism….I am sure he would have been laughed at.
I love the way tolerant, moral, religious people cannot control themselves when other people are talking. They have to constantly interrupt, constantly.
@@juliall255 Not just a Jewish woman - she's a rabbi. But yeah, an atheist myself, I don't agree with her but she was very switched on and open minded I thought
Yes but he conveniently ignores the history of slavery within Africa and tries to make it a purely western problem. That kind of disingenuous position needs to stop. I did like a number of the other points he made especially those involving the unity of humanity. Which btw is the very side Dawkins sits on, unlike the religious divisive crowd.
This Bishop Michael character is a piece of work.He derides the treatment in Hinduism of Untouchables yet ignores the 'untouchables' which Christianity preserved for millenia such as homosexuals or even Jews.Far from Christianity being at the forefront of preventing the ill treatment of homosexuals - it still acts in some measure as a platform on which to continue such prejudices.
SuperPatrick777 Generally when one criticises statements it is customary to put forward evidence supporting that criticism.Should you wish to contradict any of my statements in the first post I invite you to do so.Merely writing 'foolish statement' or 'you fool' do not lend your posts any gravitas.
Imagine getting all your values and morals from only ONE book. And believing every other book is false. That's a dangerous concept no matter what the book is.
That is a very slippery slope you are starting down. When anyone apologizes to me for doing something wrong to me, I don't require a cost to forgive. I may judge intentions/ sincerety, but cost is irrevelant. Otherwise, I would be going down a path called vengence.
What's disgusting about it? Was the cost charged to you? Jesus paid the cost so that we would receive the free gift of Grace. Forgiveness is freely available to you and me... we don't deserve it, we can't "earn" it, but it is free because Jesus paid the cost. That's what he is saying.
God is righteous; before the destruction he gave these people chance after chance,but the Law he set demands the penalty of death before Christ resurrection! so if you are aware of the penalty but you still continue to do the crime after getting away and chance the first time, the punishment is on you!The is the nature of God's Laws of The Kingdom Government not Religion!!!!! The Bible is not a Religious Book of Christianity but the Constitutional Law of his Kingdom Government. remember,Just is King,kings rules Kingdoms, Governments!!!
RadioactiveSand that is not what the Bible teaches. It says there is NO SIN WITHOUT PENANCE and not no forgiveness without a cost. Actually read the book.
Watch this. I'll use this very footage in the part 2. But this is an answer to this very question especially the begining historian question. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-d3z8wJgcI60.html
'' ...We have a morality which is outside and independent from the bible, morality does not come from the bible, it comes from our evolutionary background'' ugh I clapped to! 👏👏🙌👍 So spot on! #GuyOtten 37:33.. Also another amazing point from an audience member, their are egalitarian societies existing today that have not even heard of the bible! Yet clearly run of fairness, thats morally correct.. How can you explain that? On a side note I cant believe people actually believe that if the bible did not exist, we as humans would miraculously become suspended of all morals in nature.. I wasn't brought up as a Christian and I still have my moral compass in check! I'm with Dr. Richard Dawkins too, Lets bypass the bible all together and look at moral philosophy! you know, an area thats doesn't contradict itself like the bible does.
If the Bible was divinely inspired perhaps it would have been deciphered and not oppressed people for the past 2000 years. It is only in the past 200 or so years of the long history of these books that any good has come from it. For the majority of its life, the Bible has allowed terror to reign.
Francesca Stavrakopoulou. Brilliant and eloquent. I'm a bit smitten. But my brain hurts a bit from all the people in this debate constantly running around moving the goal posts.
God's love is everlasting and ever present, allowing your Redemption at every point. But it takes Redemption. It is not unconditional certainly. Because that's how God made our souls and conscience in our body, able to have freewill, so we have the challenge of being Good or not, and then we shall reap reward for Eternity
@@an67481 right right right…but what if I don’t believe in god? Then what? Or what if I believe in many gods? What if I was to preach the quran to you as a rebuttal? You wouldn’t give a sh!t right, because it doesn’t align with what you believe. My point is, don’t be ignorant and say, “God is…God wants…God created…” instead be reasonable and humble by saying, “I believe God is…I believe God wants…I believe God created…I believe in the Bible which states…”
'No you don't have to filter the good stuff out. You just have to...' Then she proceeds to filter the good stuff out 🤣 Ah my talking snake believers you you really are the gift that keeps on giving 🤣🤣🤣😍😍
+Xerxes Underwood Hell doesn't exist but that's irrelevant because she as at least hot as the SUN which is much more beautiful than a hell lol. But I get your point lol.
Thomas Jefferson edited the bible into "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth". He removed all the implausibilities, nonsense and miracles. This conversation of doubt has obviously been going on for some time and will probably still be going on long after I am gone.
I find religion abhorrent and a toxicity to society and I refuse to associate myself with it or like anything moderately to do with the ancient oppressive doctrine of Christianity. I hate everything the church stands for not because I'm a bigot but precisely because I am against bigotry. You might call me intolerant but ironically I'm only intolerant against intolerance itself...and that is what religion is. Intolerant against anyone or anything who does not conform to its sexist, homophobic, racist and oppressive agendas. As someone who stands for equality, morality and for human rights, christianity and religion goes against every fiber of my being. It's one of the biggest evils in society and religion can't reasonably be integrated into a positive. It's poisonous.
The fact that we are even having this discussion on television is proof that religion is running on borrowed time. These kinds of discussions would be unheard of or even allowed not too long ago. It's a sign of change to come 👌
I'm more interested in: Do the majority of professed Christians have actually read the Bible? Being the most important book in a Christians life and all.
@@lightbeing8174 *The famous case of Anneliese Michel all points out to severe Psychosis and Epilepsy, unfortunately. In addition to a strict Roman Catholic upbringing. She was fascinated with the Church and thoroughly studied History, Latin and Hagiography of the Saints, wherein she easily role-played major historical figures and the “Adversary” himself under her state of “demonic possession”/psychotic episodes.*
That pakistanian guy said something interesting:- I know it is true ecause it has given a meaning to my life-..This is the widest used argument that converted cristians give, but since when an idea has to be true to give people a reason to live. People lie to themselves all the time in order to be happier (i'm going to get fit, i'm sure she'll come back, i'm sure my granpa who just passed away is going to a better place...) really? i think it all breaks down to the point that we make shit up because we are scared. It's not a stupid guess is it?
I am so lucky that I escaped from religion at a young age. was around 7 or 8 when I worked it out.I am now a grown man who lives a good life.I help people everday, I love animals and am a loyal loving husband and father.I live a free life which is good.I don't need religion to show me tell how to live, and be told what I can eat and when.
Dr Lez is excellent at seeing the bigger picture and then zooming in. His perspective is so purely about truth from the most objective point of view possible. Admirable.
Richard Dawkins is (at least in my opinion) one of the best debaters alive today, in every single debate he will leave the opposition stumped on at least one occasion.
solomon duncan The bible is filled with immoral atrocities. It condones slavery, rape, murder, genocide ... it goes on and on. So please, don't say morals come from the bible. I am not religious, and my morals are far superior than those found in the bible.
solomon duncan I could go the other way and ask you how many sane people have committed evil because the bible said so? How many hardened criminals turned their lives around without the bible? Pointless topic.
solomon duncan It is pointless for the reasons I mentioned above. If you are trying to make a case that reading the bible makes ex cons go straight, then you have to explain why some ex cons go straight without the bible. Or if the bible turns some ex cons away from crime, why does it not do it for all of them? I am using nothing but logic here. I do not believe in gods, and yet I do not inflict pain on anyone. I have never killed anyone either. All without "finding Christ".
solomon duncan I am saying that anything you claim was accomplished by anyone through reading the bible could have been accomplished without. You say "Just look at the works of Christians the world over". Sure, but for any work you come up with as good I could easily counter with a bad work done by bible lovers. You also state "There are so many people who have found Christ and have done greater works than you can ever accomplish." How would you know? You do not know anything I have done or am capable of. Your typically chistian arrogance is overflowing. You better go pray for forgiveness.
solomon duncan There's REASONS to the "magic fairy healing" as some have higher immunity levels, hormone imbalances, which can be explained via BIOCHEMISTRY. Just because doctors may not have mapped all the functions of the human body doesn't mean your brain works by FAIRY DUST. Well maybe yours...... and that's a health hazard dear. I've got no problem with people doing good deeds, but there's plenty who DON'T need God's wrath to persuade them to do good, but merely acts out of kindness due to their own character and morality. Which one should society pursue? The one where instills the fear of god to behave like a three-years-old fearing the boogieman, or the mature individuals that finds compassion out of their own resolution? Put it this way - should society be monitored 24/7 to force it to behave, or should people actually be kind instead of feeling like being pushed by a gun? Oh wait it's 'murica, don't answer that. And I ESPECIALLY hate it when morons tell others to "trust in God" instead of medical advancement - I can't believe this level of idiocy still exists in the day and age that has the INTERNET. I wonder how horrified Jesus would be at all the "devil's works" that powers magical pictures appearing on glowing metally things.
rictus gate you say why do we desire to worship anything at all it is part of human nature some people want to admire something greater then themselves
rictus gate I focus on the false prophets that the bible talks about people that said earth was going end on a specific date like 1914 or the year 2000 someone also said the ending was coming in 2011 never did and finally came 2012 the bible says the ending will come like a thief in the night no one will see it coming we just pass 2012 all those dates came to pass just like the bible said I also focus in the calm in the night thinking about December 21 2012 knowing that we just pass it not too long thinking about this date it is almost as if a grip of fear comes over me cause you never know what to expect in the near future
Christ was not born out of wedlock - his mother was married before his birth, but according to the Jewish marital tradition, she likely wasn't a virgin when she bore him, as her marriage to Joseph would have to have been consummated. The details of the circumstances regarding Christ's conception and birth are not important to me as a Christian, in the same way that I don't believe that Mary was this superhuman woman that no woman has ever been like, nor can ever be. Mary was a woman like any other, a mother like any other and she was given the choice to be so.
22:56 the smug smile on his face as he finishes his immoral reposte. This is what religion does to people. He sincerely believes that his statement was morally profound. Evil.
It frustrates that Stavrakopoulou doesn't talk as much as others in debates/discussions like this. I really like her input and want to hear more of it.
The woman at 10:00 says that the Bible should get special treatment because "It contains truth about us that endures." Well, so does Harry Potter. Agatha Christy books contain a lot of insight into the human psyche, should we give them special treatment as well?
Ok I see why they get upset about the cherry picking of certain passages. But if you can disprove and show fallacy in one passage, what's to say the rest of it is true? Wow people...this is the 21 century. Can we just stop believing in santa and tooth fairies now?
basically you can't have a rational disscussion with people who still be lbelieve in the tooth fairy, their sense of history and reality is too warped I like how the rabbi states everything can be fantasy and it doesn't matter. What the heck is wrong with her? the other catholic woman says. you have to tell stories because people are basically stupid I guess.
The more debates I watch, the more mystified I become of the concept of "moderate" religiosity. When I broke up with Jesus at the age of 16 or so, it was precisely for the reasons that (1) it made no sense to be moderately following a god that would damn you to eternal suffering if you didn't get it right, and (2) the bible was too horrific to take literally so I couldn't be fundamentalist. After watching several documentaries mentioning the plethora of partially contradicting religious documents circulating at the time, and with bishops and other church official admitting that biblical events (including the virgin birth of Jesus and the resurrection of Lazarus) are mostly fictional, I'm even more mystified of all the people still choosing to believe it what little is left. To me, the only sensible way to remain a believer, is to tight-fistedly and hard-headedly decide to believe the entire thing, and stubbornly fight off all the evidence to the contrary. But *boy*! what a miserable position to be in.
The human species will never reach its full potential until religion, with all of its magical thinking and self-imposed ignorance, is relegated to the fringes of society where it firmly belongs.
"I have a different take on what 'fact' is." Anyone who says this loses the right to profess anything. There is a FACT and then there is an opinion. That's it. You don't get to claim your opinion as fact.
What they are referencing is something like moral truth. Moral truths can't be proven scientifically but evidence may illuminate some things as closer to moral truths than others, for example thou shall not kill. So what Dawkins is truly focused on is scientific truth and what the religious panelists are referring to are moral truths.
Did anyone else get frustrated at how that priest kept interrupting and being condescending to Francesca and nobody else? She’s such far more intelligent and tactful than he is.
Forgiveness without a cost is so true. Let's apply it to ourselves. How many of will forgive someone that murdered a loved one? We will scream death to that person. Ha, that quote is so true.
Christians argue amongst themselves about how to read and interpret the Bible, but when an atheist says they are skeptical about the Bible and it teachings suddenly it is the atheist who is vilified. How can believers not see that it is a serious problem for their theology when they can't come to any kind of consensus about a book that is supposedly the way in which their god wants to communicate to them?
+AtheistComet80 Yup...........correct and on top of that their very scriptures claim that when they read those words that the holy spirit will reveal the truth to all believers.....................yeah sure.........
+jacopman To ‘see beyond the pale’--in English, German, French, and Spanish… just scroll down…sólo Desplácese hacia abajo... juste faire défiler vers le bas… Scrollen Sie einfach... To ‘see beyond the pale’... No it does not mean to pick up a perspective that is different than the white anglo-saxon ‘Murican whiteness perspective which you now utilize to make all your ‘insignificant’ decisions… since all your decisions are insignificant relative to the size of the hole you have to repair in the ‘knowledge’ gap you possess in the files in your subconscious mind… In much earlier times, a pale was a big wooden stake used as an outside wall component in a fortress-like enclosure… and to ‘see beyond the pale’ meant you could experience, by your sense of sight, things that existed outside of your small fortress-like structure, ‘seeing’ beyond the seeming entirety of your world... That's what is meant by “seeing beyond the pale” And doing just that... will yield for you your individual human enlightenment… put that way... it sounds pretty easy... but let me forewarn you... it is the hardest work you will ever do… but the ‘knowledge’, the intensely personal reward is... like the little elf would say; “It's Magically Delic---”... “Its actually deliciously, wonderfully, imagination-ingly, intellectually, creatively, comedically, ‘knowledge-ingly, the best “Thing” that has ever happened inside me… yes, the best “Thing” that has ever happened inside me… I ‘know’ this for me… and you could ‘know’ this for you… just… dare to think you can think for yourself...dare to know that you absolutely can… until you do… and then we will be ‘equals’... german Zu "sehen" indiskutabel... Nein es bedeutet nicht abholen, eine Perspektive, die anders als die weißen angelsächsischen ' Murican Weißgrad-Perspektive, die Sie jetzt nutzen, um Ihre "unbedeutenden" Entscheidungen zu treffen… Da alle Ihre Entscheidungen unbedeutend im Verhältnis zur Größe des Lochs sind müssen Sie in der "wissen" Lücke, die Sie besitzen Dateien in Ihr Unterbewusstsein zu reparieren... Viel früher war eine blasse einen großen hölzernen Pfahl verwendet als Außenwand-Komponente in einem Gehäuse festungsartigen… und zu "sehen" indiskutabel bedeutete Sie, durch Ihren Sinn für Anblick, entstünde, Dinge, die außerhalb Ihrer kleinen festungsartigen-Struktur existiert "sehen", über die scheinbare Gesamtheit Ihrer Welt... Das ist, was durch "sehen indiskutabel" und dabei genau das gemeint ist… ergibt sich für Sie Ihre individuellen menschlichen Erleuchtung... so... es klingt ziemlich einfach... aber lassen Sie mich Sie verhüten ist die härteste Arbeit, Sie werden jemals tun... aber das 'wissen', die intensiv persönliche Belohnung ist... wie der kleine Elf sagen würde; "Es ist magisch Delić---"... "Seine eigentlich herrlich, wunderbar, Phantasie-Einfuhrverbote, intellektuell, kreativ, comedically, ' wissen-Einfuhrverbote, das"beste"das ist jemals passiert in mir... ja, das"beste"hat, die jemals in mir passiert... Ich weiß' ' das für mich… french De « voir dépasse l'entendement »... Non, il ne signifie pas pour ramasser une perspective différente de l'anglo-saxonne blanc ' Murican perspective de blancheur qui vous utilisez maintenant pour faire toutes vos décisions « insignifiantes »… puisque toutes vos décisions sont insignifiantes par rapport à la taille du trou que vous devrez réparer dans l'écart de la « connaissance » que vous possédez dans les fichiers dans votre subconscient... À l'époque beaucoup plus tôt, une pale était un gros pieu de bois utilisé comme un élément de mur extérieur dans un boîtier-forteresse…et de « voir dépasse l'entendement » signifiait que vous pourriez vivre, par votre sens de la vue, les choses qui existaient à l'extérieur de votre petite forteresse-comme la structure, "voir" au-delà de l'apparente intégralité de votre monde... C'est ce que l'on entend par « voir dépasse l'entendement » et ce que font... produira pour vous votre éveil humain individuel... mettre de cette façon... ça sonne assez facile... mais permettez-moi de vous prévenir... c'est le plus dur travail vous aurez jamais faire... mais les « savoirs », la récompense intensément personnelle est... comme le petit lutin dirais ; « C'est comme par magie Depardieu---»… "Sa en fait délicieusement, merveilleusement, imagination-conséquence, intellectuellement, créative, comedically, ' connaissances-conséquence, la meilleure « chose » qui n'est jamais arrivé à l'intérieur de moi... Oui, la meilleure « chose » qui a jamais qui s'est passé à l'intérieur de moi... Je « sais » cela pour moi… spanish ' Ver más allá de la pálida '... No no significa tomar una perspectiva diferente de la anglosajona blanca ' Murican perspectiva de blancura que utiliza ahora para tomar todas sus decisiones 'insignificantes'...puesto que todas sus decisiones son insignificantes en relación con el tamaño del agujero tienes que reparar en la diferencia de 'conocimiento' que posee en los archivos de tu mente subconsciente... En épocas mucho anteriores, pálido fue una gran estaca de madera utilizada como un componente de la pared exterior en un recinto fortaleza-como… y ' ver más allá de la pálida ' significó que podría experimentar, por su sentido de la vista, cosas que existieron fuera de su pequeña fortaleza-como la estructura, 'ver' más allá de la aparente totalidad de vuestro mundo... Eso es lo que significa "ver más allá de los límites" y haciendo eso… producirá para usted su iluminación humana individual... poner así... suena fácil... pero me deja advertir... es el trabajo más duro que nunca se quiere hacer... pero el 'conocimiento', el es intensamente personal recompensa... como diría el pequeño elfo; "Es mágicamente Delic---"... "Su realmente delicioso, maravilloso, imaginación tanto intelectual, creativa, comedically, ' conocimiento tanto,"Lo mejor"que jamás ha sucedido dentro de mí... sí,"Lo mejor"que tiene siempre sucedió dentro de mí... 'Sé' esto para mí… y usted podría 'saber' esto para usted... justo... se atreve a pensar que puede pensar por ti mismo... se atreven a saber que usted absolutamente puede... hasta que hacer... y entonces estaremos 'equivale a'...
@Mark Cromwell That's only because he's caked up after the success of 'Reggae Reggae' sauce, he's got servants to fry his chips and shred his documents lol.
An amusing argument frequently used to defend the barbaric verses of the bible is, "but you took that verse out of context." or "Things were different back then." What then, is the context in which one can excuse capital punishment for things we don't consider crimes at all in modern societies? In what context is forced slavery acceptable? If times were truly so different that the murder of your neighbor for working on Sunday is not only excusable, but encouraged, then how can you conclude that this book has any shred of relevance left in modern societies?
ClaretBlueLove I wonder what she was thinking when that idiot of a "bishop" sitting next to her was telling all that nonsense..an arrogant bishop, nothing else..
Tiffany Rominski idk what to say for those Christians who believe that. God doesn't want anyone to suffer as in hell. Again hell is meant for Satan and the angels who follows him. People need to teach the gospel of Christ not the old testament. were under Grace not the law.
Tiffany Rominski Hell is not a fireplace according to bible....its only a word used as translation for grave...The eternal destruction from revelation is not an eternal physically punishment or pain...not...
Ronny Cardona Funny how Francesca argued against that statement -- it was a different time, but that doesn't make them a any less or more ignorant. They lacked the understanding of how the world works -- it is ignorance.
I commend Mr. Dawkins for sitting there silent while other people talk with the range of actual information he posesses in his head. A brilliant man listening to biblical jargon. It must be mind mind melting for him.
I’m sad Dawkins and Francesca didn’t go harder and let ppl talk over them. They missed out on some key chances to really debunk the moral argument. About how we need the Bible. We don’t, and I know they have better arguments they could have used. They let these religious people get away with it
The pastor in the audience. Pastor: "And that's exactly why we need constantly to be *reinterpreting*, *reexamining*, understanding at fresh the bible in the context of 2011, not 2011 years ago (...)" Host: Why not a fundamental thought about revision then? Pastor: I DON'T WANT TO REVISE IT! Seriously.
***** 'Better' version...?? maybe in your opinion. The're both still works of fiction & fairy stories & you can't really be called an 'adult' if you believe in fairy stories, can you..?
***** It's still all fiction. If you want to believe in some super power fictional being, go ahead, my 6 year old neice still believes in santa & the tooth fairy. You & her are so alike in your childish naivety.
***** You claim that the quran has so much to offer this world and it's followers, so many truths.... but exactly what have your kind done of value to human civilization and progress lately? What truths have you offered other than the same crap we roll our eyes at the Christians for: "god exists, obey him"?
The priest is obnoxious and doesn't let anybody to talk because of his lack of knowledge. When he uses his computer or go to MRI, he doesn't realize that all these stuff are coming for Science.
this makes me think of the beach. those arguing on the side of the bible are like kids slowly building up little sandcastles over 5-10 minutes, and then a big wave of dawkins washes it all away in 4 seconds lol and then they start builiding again as if they are unaware another wave is probably coming
The argument of moral absolutism derived from the Bible frustrates me to no end. Think about the process you go through when seeking moral wisdom from a biblical book. When you go through and read Leviticus or Deuteronomy and you read if "your bride is not a virgin, you must stone her in front of her father's doorstep" you will (hopefully) reject this lesson in moral wisdom and move on. Now if you read something nice such as 'love thy neighbor' and you accept this because it resonates with you, what is the guarantor of this decision in the acceptance of moral philosophy? It isn't the book, it is YOUR BRAIN deciding what is good and what is not.
He offers no reconciliation to the inevitable disagreements that happen between individual "morals", and between different cultures/societies. Why is he bothered by God sending a Holy Son to spread His testimony and ends up persecuted, tortured, killed, and Raised by God into Eternity - and he is not bothered by every other persecution torture and pain that is imbedded into animal behavior all around the food chain and from biological competition between animal populations? Why is one thing for him inexplicably harsh, the Crucification of the Son of our Lord, and the savagery imbedded in human and animal populations that is simply a part of how biological systems maintain themselves and compete? (assuming it's all under the realm of creation/universe/nature/god's doing ) Why is one appaling, and the other 'natural' and necessary? He's not legitimately shocked by brutality and violence then. Just by the bit that Humans find the Literal Flesh revelation of God.
A classic discussion about the position of the bible in today's world. The accompanying comments are even better and more enlightening. There is much hope for humanity given the insightful realtime and online comments.
