Is the blue bug actually faster on A01?

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Hey guys, in today's video I'll be talking about the blue bug on A01, it has been brought up a few times before in the TASing community and I thought I'd make a video on it, so I did.
FYI: The uphill airtime reduction is also simulated. (mostly because I couldn't be bothered to work on it myself.)
Thanks to these people for letting me use parts of their video:
Donadigo, trabadia, esu-LX and CrizpyCheese.
Links:
.79: • [TAS] A01-Race (23.79)
.78: • [TAS] A01-Race (23.78)...
.77 & .75: • [TAS] A01-Race (23.75)
.72: • [TAS] A01-Race (23.72)...
.71 & .70: • How we optimized A01 t...
.69 & .68: • How we pushed A01... a...
.67: • How we pushed A01, aga...
Thanks to Kimura for creating a short scene of the downhill and the render comparison!
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#trackmaniaa01

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@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

DISCLAIMER: For any people who don't understand at this time in the video (2:44) I mean that the run is only theoretical and the map is edited using TMInfinity to *artificially* enduce rambugs.

@purp.squared 10 месяцев назад

how do you simulate a ramm/bluebug

@gl1tch3d_tm 10 месяцев назад

@@purp.squared scaling and moving a certain block and driving over it in the right way

@torsten_dev Год назад

A strategy that might not even be TAS viable. What a time to be alive.

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

might not be.

@Tybek1 Год назад

Hold on to your papers

@red_rassmueller1716 Год назад

@@Tybek1 and now squeeeeeeze that paper XD

@mr.botond945 Год назад

The fact that there are now strategies potentially too difficult for even TAS' is weirdly fascinating :D

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

true, it is

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

Maybe the question we should be asking is actually "will we actually get the right bluebug" or "will it actually happen".

@toolng1798 Год назад

Nothing feels worse than getting a bluebug when you're finally on a good pace after a few hours 💀

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

ooooof...

@Psychomaniac14 Год назад

I once got a bluebug while doing runs for ToToMania's A01k project, though I was stupid and didn't save the replay, and it was in a horrible place too

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

oooof

@mrcrazykid. Год назад

I got one on a08 once. I might have a clip but I can’t find it

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

@@mrcrazykid. interesting.

@trxceles3 Год назад

@@gl1tch3d_tm I know two people that have them on camera, one of them being me, the other being eta boka, I can send the links to videos here ig

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

@@trxceles3 I've already seen the one by eta boka, and it's a backwheel, yours is also a backwheel

@Fujtajblus Год назад

Let me just say that whoever the mapper was for this map, they had the vision and understanding that the finish will be placed wher it is. Because a lot of these TAS tools are almost hitting the arch.

@cubicinfinity2 Год назад

I wonder if when testing the map they did a speed slide without knowing what a speed slide is and saw it was possible to jump pretty far, so they extended it more than necessary knowing that eventually someone might do it with that kind of speed.

@par8678 Год назад

I think that the bug at the ebd in the simulation is done just to not crash the fin

@_fudgepop01 Год назад

I did not expect McQueen to show up complete with his theme from the first movie lmaooo

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

LOL, me neither

@BiceTM Год назад

I have never ever heard of the blue bug before. This idea is actually worth trying

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

It may be, and I'm surprised you've never heard of it.

@TheSpacePlaceYT Год назад

@@gl1tch3d_tm Literally nobody here probably has heard of it.

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

@@TheSpacePlaceYT He is joking just so you are aware.

@TheSpacePlaceYT Год назад

@@gl1tch3d_tm Really? Wow I didn't know that was known across the community.

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

@@TheSpacePlaceYT Yeah, most of the community knows about this bug.

@tyetonix8071 Год назад

its just a matter of time untill the lucky person gets the right blue bug at the right moment

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

True

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

I was thinking of reuploading as I had uploaded the video without this text at the end of the video: "But for now, we'll have to either brainstorm new strategies, or keep working to push the limit". But it's too late now, this video already has too many likes, comments and views lol.

@Nicofaster21 Год назад

I remember back when totomania was doing the a01k project hundreds of us played the map, a person actually got a front wheel ram there and showed the recording. However when we told them to send that replay to tassers ASAP he said he wouldnt because he was messing araound the starting line for like 15 seconds for the video before going.

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

oof that sucks, but is still interesting

@joevdb9232 Год назад

i'm lost. thought this was a video about beetles

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

lol

@nezziaktm9922 Год назад

Extremely disappointed too.

@par8678 Год назад

Thanks for the explanation, I tought everyone forgot about this and be questioned for 1 year lol

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

Lol, Np!

@hotel_arcadia Месяц назад

Is no one gonna talk about the random Lightning McQueen?

@gl1tch3d_tm Месяц назад

It's a skin Crizpy chose to use for his video on A01.

@LouisPlaysDrums Год назад

This makes me want to TAS again, but I'm still far too busy. Maybe I'll make a return to the team once shit calms down haha. Nice find Glitched! (D01 improvement when?)

@Cyberangel39 Год назад

And then Hefest got this run...

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

lol

@enderjackson510 Год назад

Hahaha the God XD

@ca1ebyt6 9 месяцев назад

crazy how wr is now faster than donadigo's tas

@gl1tch3d_tm 9 месяцев назад

I just realized that now too from your comment, wow.

@Eta_Bokas_slave Год назад

Could you use it to start the speedslides or is the brake tap speed loss negligible

@lilthreadd Год назад

it's not negligible, though it is very minor. problem is you usually want to experiment with different sd approaches, trying out different lines/exit angles and so on. and with the infrequency of bluebugs and how they restrict you to basically a single line, it's not viable setting up sd's with them

@Eta_Bokas_slave Год назад

@@lilthreadd fair enough

@krisigogo3743 Год назад

over 1 thousand + hours of playing trackmania nations forever i have NEVER gotten a blue bug just for comparasion of how rare it is, I have gotten many things, many ubers outside stadium many nosespins, many 2 wheels, and many double ramn bugs, but never a blue bug

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

1,000+ hours without getting the bug, that does indeed tell how rare it is!

@piotreq4980 Год назад

probably about 4k hours and i got it only once

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

@@piotreq4980 wow

@tiezieboy7877 Год назад

hi kris

@TheMatsValk Год назад

just around 1200 hours and I've had it twice and both on nadeo maps

@JustJay-bo3iz Год назад

One day we'll hit the top of the finish!

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

we might

@tyetonix8071 Год назад

bluestein bug

@aninterestingpenguin9374 Год назад

Theoretically, could getting a blue bug on the final jump to reduce airtime also improve the time?

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

this is actually a good question, the possibilities could exist.

@kaskipa Год назад

im pretty sure this blue bug can happen in the middle of the road, ithink ive had instances where I straight up bugged on the tarmac while going for a turn, very very rare but im sure they happen

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

wow, interesting.

@par8678 Год назад

The bug u are talking about its used in jav's b14 tas, but its different from a bluebug

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

@@par8678 It is

@MauriceGuibot Год назад

I always knew this one was FS

@Krithalith Год назад

I'm bricked up! Do you know if anyone has worked on simulating just the physics of the game, without the rest of the game? I don't think there's a decompilation yet right?

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

Not that I am aware of, no.

@donadigotm Год назад

That's exactly what TMI's bruteforce and validation mode do. They run the physics engine at full capacity without any rendering or overhead.

@Krithalith Год назад

@@donadigotm Ah cool, do you have a ballpark of how many physics frames you can do per second on 1 core on a modern CPU? Is it closer to 1000 or closer to 100000?

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

@@donadigotm Interesting.

@donadigotm Год назад

@@Krithalith For me, this is typically 1 minute in-game that can be simulated in 1 second. One second has 100 ticks, so we're looking at 100*60 = 6000 ticks/second. This can depend on hardware and you could also run many instances if you wanted to.

@Kevinsunde Год назад

whats the time if u only get blue bug and do none of the SD's is it slower than the WR?

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

It would be, yes.

@1ce2137 Год назад

is it poss rta or is it like 1/100000 chance for blue bug

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

Is is actually possible to get it but only 1 in either 1 million, 10, or 100, we don't quite know a solid estimation yet. Right now it's just random and based on luck.

@LemonPlayzYT Год назад

@@gl1tch3d_tm so if one were to hunt a01 for wr trying to go normal route they could get this by accident but tbh they might release like usual because they dont expect it

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

@@LemonPlayzYT Yes, very much possible to get it on accident

@gugus8081 Год назад

I've got two... both of them are back-wheels, and one is purely unexploitable because I idled 30s before driving. I don't know how I got that lucky lol. I played A01 a little bit, but it's far from being my most played map.

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

Oh, we've heard something like this where someone idled for 30 seconds and got the blue bug. This is could very well be you who got it.

@gugus8081 Год назад

@@gl1tch3d_tm I think so, yeah :) This is outrageously improbable, so I might be the only one in the whole TM history with such a replay.

@curtisclewett5249 Год назад

couldnt the tas creates look at your speeds and values so they can do it

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

@@curtisclewett5249 I don't quite understand the question, but, no? I don't think so?

@metarotta Год назад

i really thought the blue stripes were perfectly in line with the rest of the road, guess not (by the tiniest imaginable amount)

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

yeah, it's also just rare, weird, wacky collision.

@metarotta Год назад

@@gl1tch3d_tm i just did e05 and i got a bluebug there on like lap 50 right after i got a super lucky regular landing on a ramm and avoided a respawn and that was pretty funny

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

@@metarotta interesting :D

@metarotta Год назад

@@gl1tch3d_tm uploaded it on my channel

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

@@metarotta ooooooof that's gotta suck.

@Remyria Год назад

cool

@Eta_Bokas_slave Год назад

Do you think a blue bug could allow for a noseboost set up

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

No, easily a no, as you won't have nearly enough speed for it,

@Eta_Bokas_slave Год назад

@@gl1tch3d_tm dude I completely forgot about that lol

@technofeeling2462 Год назад

Rammstein=/Randstein

@Fantastinobel Год назад

waow waow waow waow

@Q0uut 8 месяцев назад

Yes

@Q0uut 8 месяцев назад

I answered the question do i get a prize?

@gl1tch3d_tm 8 месяцев назад

@@Q0uut unfortunately no :(

@jazzensemble Год назад

Randstein

@NoNameAtAll2 Год назад

what even causes the bug? have you tried decompiling to track the reasons?

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

apparently research has been done but not extensively, but we do know a reason why it happens.

@Thejejedu56100 Год назад

how did you "simulate" the front wheel blue bug run ?

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

there's a precisely modified block that I placed in just the right place, and it's a ghost-ramm because it's invisible.

@Thejejedu56100 Год назад

@@gl1tch3d_tm ok thanks, well played !

@xwddydfy_3 Год назад

in the near future, could this be used to get more viable nosepos? or is this idea too farfetched

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

the idea is most likely too far-fetched yes

@BiceTM Год назад

Even if, no speed for noseboost

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

@@BiceTM True this

@Plastorex Год назад

Another question that could be answered is blue bug better trigger for speedslide than tap brake?

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

Some people have questioned this, and the answer is no, it would actually be slower due to having to get the bluebug to sd rather than starting it earlier using braketap. Plus it's told that braketap only loses you a tiny bit of speed

@Plastorex Год назад

@@gl1tch3d_tm I see, what I more thought is if given the same setup compared sd would blue bug be faster or slower, thanks for the answer anyways, one more question if I may, could blue bug potentially set a car into nose position or it's not as powerful as good ol' ramm?

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

@@Plastorex You'd prob need a good ol' ramm for that, I have yet to see any backwheel ramm be powerful enough to even setup for a noseposition Also I just noticed you're Plastorex Lol

@kenarf. Год назад

wait... if it's simulated then it's TAS - isn't this just the new TAS record? Idk how to explain my thought process... Current WR is .67, and u just did a .59 using a bug which was not used before

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

No, the bug was "simulated" using a scaled block using TMUnlimiter, please read pinned comment. So this is not a legitimate 23.59.

@kenarf. Год назад

@@gl1tch3d_tm ah, got it. thanks 👍

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

@@kenarf. Np

@lllllx Год назад

come on. i'm not THAT large.

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

LOL

@Kyrelel Год назад

Imagine if the TAS community put all that effort into something useful

@ifroad33 Год назад

This is useful for our satisfaction of absolutely destroying A01

@ddddd5189 Год назад

Wait isn't there an 18.37 tas of a01 already

@SaiMoen Год назад

This vid is not about the noseboosted route.

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

Yes but this video is not about the noseboost TAS

@dojo4489 7 месяцев назад

trackmania become tasmania lol

@Eddyithink Год назад

I don't get what you mean near 2:39 by "Simulate it." ? You didn't use Donadigo's tool to get the last run shown in this video? Because to me, all the TAS replays shown in this video *are* simulated, so I don't get it there ahaha

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

I did use Donadigo's tool, it's just a precisely sized and placed invisible block to cause that to happen with the wheel.

@dobarek4548 Год назад

Couldn't you tas a bug like this with neural networks? Like the evolving ai's with hundreds of slightly ranzomized inputs until one gets the blue bug. I'm not in any way a coder or sth, so maybe it's a stupid idea, idk.

@gl1tch3d_tm Год назад

This.. actually sounds like a possible idea.