Is the Deltatraveler Geno really that bad? 

Section 2: Killing a 13 year old boy and an 11 year old girl Section 3: * We just killed Snowy, Susie. We killed the kid who uses their head to knock on doors

19:15 I've played through Earthbound once and currently doing a rerun to see what I missed and When you first meet Paula, she tells Ness that she is happy that he came to help her, and she had a dream that Ness was her "destiny". In the original Japanese, she says she would have cried if Ness didn't come. Both sides parents refer to Ness and Paula as Boyfriend and Girlfriend and at the end of the game when you take all of the characters back home, when Ness drops Paula off at her house, Paula thanks Ness for escorting her home, and then says there was something she was going to tell him, but she forgot. She says she'll probably remember it the next time they see each other. She appears to stall a bit by saying multiple forms of goodbye, and pauses in front of the door, some say that Paula was going to say that she loved Ness, but, eh, take it how you will.

Curious what Toby would think of this game There are a lot of studies done on Undertale's genocide route, and two major findings are the intentionally bad game design and the way each section reflects each of the five stages of grief (denial, bargaining, anger, depression and acceptance respectively) And yeah I'd say there are quite a few mistakes in the Deltatraveler obliteration route. One of the most glaring ones is how they spontaneously don't care once you abort the route at any point in the Underfell section, and it's patched up pretty poorly because it's not the main focus Deltatraveler has a lot of clever ideas though

Ok. But one thing to say half of base undertale geno is also leaving and re entering rooms

But if they mess up the Mario and Luigi section the consequences will be severe.

the original genocide route was supposed to be a secret route, being able to fuck it up by not killing everyone before napstablook seems pretty reasonable ngl

I know its edgy and like a lot of geno aus, but this did not change how fun it was, and trying it on mobile is fun and difficult, but not too difficult

paula's fight reminds people that Megalovania is originary (first version) a part of Earthbound hack.

Yknow, something curious is how susie and noelle sometimes waste turns by not wanting to attack during the ness and paula fight, just like how in earthbound, enemies sometimes perform a meaningless action that's essentially wasting their turn

The real crime is that we didn't have a challenging battle against Ness and Paula. Personally, I consider that the battles against the protagonists/heroes of the world in the geno route should be challenging and almost always, depending on the power of the character, end in a kind of tie between the player and the protagonists. In battle Ness could have used "Lifeup" on both himself and Paula to avoid losing, even in a moment of tension and with determination learning "Shield a", they could even have used Ness's homesick! P.S: On second thought, it doesn't make sense that in the world of Earthbound they know the acronym L.O.V.E they should just run away from you and call you a murderer lol

I did not expect the bonk effect-

Funfact: sans’ laugh isnt that from jokers, but from patrick 😭

The biggest crime of this route was the incredible missed opportunity for a Ness/Sans tag team battle. Or just a Ness battle on his own.

Fun fact: When section 3 first came out, you could actually still play Uno in Snowdin with IF!Papyrus. While you were on genocide. They removed it in a recent patch, but like. Imagine killing children and like 80 other people and then just immediately playing Uno. At least they didn’t keep THAT in. Also, I definitely think there should’ve been a unique cutscene for sparing GG!Sans on Obliteration. It’s literally just the same as pacifist and that’s just honestly really lazy. Also, they just really shouldn’t have included the scenes where Kris rips out their heart. All it creates is plotholes. Oh, so you’re fine with killing ACTUAL CHILDREN but killing ONE of the Dogi and sparing the other? Oh no, THAT’S TOO FAR! DESTROY THE HEART! It honestly completely ruins the route. It’d be such a simple fix too. They also should’ve just had it to where Susie and Noelle are also being controlled by you, which is why they can’t leave Kris. Also, they shouldn’t have rubbed it in your face so much, constantly bringing up the thing with the Earthbound kids. I know, Susie, I WAS THERE! Deltatraveler Oblit started way too big in my opinion. What I mean is, your actions on the Oblit route cannot get much worse than killing Ness and Paula. The game pretends that it can, settling for cheap shock value with the dogs, and the gore. Unless we set off a nuke in the Toontown section or some crap like that, it’s not gonna get worse, and the game should just except that. Perhaps having Susie and Noelle do everything they can to just CONVINCE you to stop. I think these simple changes could’ve made Deltatraveler Geno so much better while still keeping it mostly the same. But the writers seem to prefer what’s cool rather than what makes sense. And I think that’s ultimately Deltatraveler’s biggest problem.

Heres something really messed up: Getting ness and paula to the point of being spared and then betraying them is faster than fighting

You said that Susie and Noelle aren't affected by LOVE, but I wonder how much this is the case. They do gain LOVE, and, as a result, should be able to distance themselves from the enemy somewhat. Perhaps this explains why they just let the player kill sometimes: they'd rather allow the player to do their thing so they can get home, rather than try to stall the player knowing that they'll probably proceed anyway. They won't *always* let the player keep killing, because Susie and Noelle still aren't very close to LV 20 and aren't that distanced. To add onto that, they're children that actually experience this world personally, unlike the player, who is outside the world and influences it. That's just my personal speculation on it, and if I'm right, I hope Susie and Noelle's ability to distance themselves is expanded on in later chapters.

Okay so: in not a fan of chapter 3 either. BUT. They know we exist. They know we're controlling kris. Thats like-- the concept? Coulda been better if there were like....more skepticism around it from susie and noelle? Have kris (seperate person from us, the player) eventually rip their soul out in front of the two to try and prove their point? They know that we arent going to stop, all i really want is something more than an off-screen conversation to show this. Something i did like was the red buster act now targeting us, the player. Maybe do more with that? I know you sont agree with me on this, but i liked the mechanic or party members sometimes refusing orders, maybe have them target us when they're like that, force the player to observe the sprite, and constantly be on-edge, lest we eat a susie crit, or an iceshock, not just a one and done "oh, i guess i cant use that now." I dunno. I like the idea of this section of the route more than the execution

I like the addition of Kris's Deceitful status and Susie's Devious status in this route, but... 3 things: 1) The conversation the Deltatraveler trio had in the bunny house should have enabled both statuses right there, instead of Susie becoming devious only after a specific set of choices. 2) While Susie can defy what actions the player wants her to do, she doesn't do that a whole lot. All those regular enemy battles that occured after the fight against Ness and Palua, she could have backed out of dealing harm to them. (GG!Underfell Sans absolutely deserved to get teamed on, though.) 2a) Noelle can also try to defy the act of violence after , but well... PROCEED. Still, though. 3) The Decietful status' effect is lazy. It just adds the option to use Red Buster on a few more enemies, but any use of it will kill the entire trio (or almost in the Sans fight). I can think of a few ways to expand the severity of this status, like: * Randomly swapping the actions of fighting or fleeing for Kris. * Aiming to attack the enemies as Kris can sometime be wildly different (sliding bar moving from LEFT to right instead of right to left, random pausing, sliding very fast, etc). Stuff like that to make attacking hell, but Kris will still be able to hurt the enemies. Susie's Devious status could also be improved or expanded: * If both Kris and Susie are attacking, Susie can sometime CLASH her weapon with theirs, nullifying their attacks all together. * If Susie is defending while Kris is attacking, she can sometime defend the enemies and take the hits. Bunch of improvements can be done with these statuses.

I feel the problem with section 3 is that the route peak at section 2 with the scale of how messed up your actions are. Like the only character you could feel bad about fighting is UF Papyrus but he doesnt have a fight. And like in one scene they talk about how mess up your actions are and in another Susie just lets you kill a dog cause you were insisting on it. Like what? And i feel the Sans fight was a miss potencial. Since we are not gonna feel bad about killing him, it think they should have taken another appoach. Mess with the party. Have Sans tell them that they are criticize him for what he is doing but that they are doing the same thing and that one day they'll become just like him if not even worst. That would hit hard on what route they are going towards and you could even implement this in battle, like having sans mess with one of your party member making them unable to attack or unable to do certain actions. It would be fitting as well since the way to beat him is to distract him, so him doing the same thing back to you would give the battle another vibe

I think for the next sections, they should focus on the game trying to bore you to death to get you to stop doing the route, since they already tried hitting yu in the feels (toriel-Paula) and should save the hard fight for section 5-ish (M&L-Undyne the undying, 1-up Mushrooms)

30:35 WAIT THE JOKER LAUGH WAS ACTUALLY IN GAME AND NOT SOMETHING YOU EDITED OVER WHATTTT

I feel like a good way of changing the sans fight for obliteration is to make it so sans actually succeeds at pulling out the soul in time since kris wanted you gone and didnt resist. though, during the "i remember you're ORPHAN" moment, kris proceeds to still move without it, and gets a swing in, catching sans even more off guard than usual and dealing stupidly high damage, like, "one hit away from death" damage. at this point, sans is fucking TERRIFIED of you, not only because of kris moving without their soul but also because of the amount of damage he just took in one swing, so he forces susie and noelle out of the fight by cutting them off with a bone shield. instead of being an hp boss, sans always dodges, no distractions here. The only way to win the fight is to find a way to get noelle and susie back into the fight by destroying the shield around you, most likely through ACTing. During the final attack, kris and susie are scripted to be downed, and sans blocks the fight button during his special attack, unfortunately because he is a dumb stupid idiot that forgot offensive spells existed, you can just push the box to the ACT button and use iceshock to beat him. The idea of a complete role reversal like this just sounded neat to me, plus, it's kinda weird that his fight basically doesnt change at ALL, not even dialogue wise unless you have devious susie and use iceshock.

this is our deltatravler

one thing that could happen if in section 3. in that part of the lesser dog, susie just says 'no' if you try to come back, but in the part where you fall of the bridge, susie and noelle just fall in the trees and get blocked while you fall in the house. You can just fight sans, but if you want to kill lesser dog, since susie is blocked, you can make all the way back to the part of lesser dog and kill him, and after this, susie would apper saying that she could escape and was looking for you, and have all the bla bla bla that you try to kill susie and etc. Even though, this looks very specificy, it would show how BAD you want to kill

I also like how In Earthbound, there’s a mechanic where your HP rolls, so basically if you get hit with a attack that does knock you out, you still have time before you’re actually knocked out, and that’s shown in Deltatravler when Paula attacks one more time before dying. I just thought that was neat.

paula dying should've been the actual one where ness actually gets enraged.

So when you get Noelle she has the same level as Kris and Susie. My question is what the hell was she doing before we recruited her on the genocide route?

2:00 In fact, I like the mechanics of the enemy running from us, because it at least makes the genocide route a little more realistic, you feel that your enemies are fighting for their lives and running away from you, otherwise it’s strange that they see maniacs who killed half of the inhabitants, and they're like "Ooh, let's go get them!"

The punishment for choosing the evil dialogue can be fixed with adding a save point before meeting Toriel, just that, That the entire solution and the dev didn't even think to add that or he just lazy or they want to punish the player I don't know

Tbh, even if section 3's geno isn't as good as I wanted it to be - i think it fits the AU. You are in a world full of death and despair. Murder is the norm here, so are you that unique for killing a citizen? This isn't your realistic Earthbound, where you'd go to jail for your terrible actions, NO! It's kill or be killed in this world, if you like it or not!

Earthbound has the same humor that undertale and deltarune. For exxample, there is a weirdly placed pen that you have to remove with the pen remover lol.

Calling Paula a "bootleg Asriel" is so wrong if you've actually played Earthbound. All of Paula's attacks are actually references to the PSI moves she learns in Earthbound. Why does she use Asriel's Star Blazing? Simple, it's PK Starstorm! Why does she use Toriel's fire attacks? It's PK Fire!

Honestly I prefer the Paula fight over her just crying because of 1 BIG detail not everyone knows, Paula is the one with the stronger PSI attacks, not Ness, she is stronger in fights than Ness in Mother, so her going berserk and being more powerful than him after his death makes sense

section 3 felt more of a filler section to me

I personally feel like commenting on the game mechanics of undertale or its fangame's genocide routes as "annoying" or "time consuming" is kinda dumb because that's the point, to bore you and waste your time, as you are supposedly shouldn't be doing that route

Genocide routes in Undertale fangames are frequently not done well. Deltatraveler falls into the category of not having great variations for aborting the route principally because there's not a monumental difference between pacifist and neutral. For some of the faults I have with the original Undertale, the one thing it didn't allow you to do was forget what you had done up to that point.

Mario & Luigi section is gonna be so dark-

I just watched an entire run of the genocide of section 1 and 2 and didn't know why people started to hatting genocide route of Deltatraveler... And oh boy, I didn't know what happened on section 3

18:43 I think megalovania represents someone trying to survive or avenge others's death. The guy that has this them in the earthbound hack is just trying to defend himself.

Honestly, I recently did the undertale geno route and I must say, after frisk dancing for what felt like hours I was going absolutely insane, while during the deltatraveler geno I was having quite a lot of fun, as needing to remember where the enemies are was a lot better than slowly having the time between each encounter slowly tick up until I’m on the verge of snapping. Gonna be honest though, my genocide run in deltatraveler is fueled by spite against kris for disobeying me in the GG!Underfell segment.

To give credit to the napstablook thing, deltarune also does that, it’s easy to miss enemies or not know you’re supposed to talk to spamton in snowgrave and go to Berdly and abort the route, the weird route is cryptic and is supposed to mess with you a bit by making a harder to get genocide, I think deltatravlers is trying to keep it simple like undertale but have some small things here and there that you wouldn’t do otherwise so you wouldn’t accidentally get it, like having to go back in and out of rooms to get monsters and doing things you weren’t supposed to do on other routes, that being said this route feels like it was always going to fail, deltatravlers is a meme game based on a meme and while it is possible to still make it emotional and have a good story I think it’s status as the “kris where the hell are we” game is bringing it down a bit and I feel like Sarah wants it to be a bit of a meme game even now as some of the sillier writing still exists even in the obliteration route

Undersell makes sense why nothing really changed. You’re following the rules “it’s kill or be killed” and bro called an obviously Patrick star laugh a joker laugh.

I agree with a lot of the stuff here, although I wasn't aware that the Obliteration Route was that controversial. I thought I was alone in kind of disliking it. I hate Kris tearing out the soul and killing you at random dialogue options. If they can do THAT then WHY ON EARTH WOULD THEY LET YOU KILL CHILDREN? It makes no sense. I generally think that Deltatraveler's biggest weakness is how hard they go on the "Kris and the player are separate!!!" thing. Like, obviously Deltarune is going in that direction so I can't say this is a completely nonsensical thing, but Deltarune has the potential to flop with it as well. At the moment, it's subtle, kind of in the background, this slow burn thing that will eventually culminate in something. It's a morally grey situation, especially in Pacifist, because you did not WANT to get stuck with Kris. That was against your will. You created a vessel and everything and were gonna use that. And things get even more deliciously complicated if Kris is the Knight, but even if they aren't, there's still a lot of potential, and it's a very cool situation. Deltatraveler gets rid of all of that and just goes "Player bad for playing game" and beats the dead horse of Kris and the Player being separate way too much, and they don't have any nuance to it, or any subtlety, it's just... WOW PLAYER BAD POSSESSING MUST STOP PLAYER, and this is at its worst in the Obliteration Route, because, again, all the dialogue stuff. And yet Kris doesn't stop you from killing. "I can't control myself" NO YOU SURE CAN CONTROL YOURSELF PERFECTLY FINE WHEN YOU WANT TO PULL ME OUT AND KILL ME I swear it makes it seem like Kris has a hidden agenda and are OKAY with the killing, like Deltarune has the potential to do, except that's clearly not what they're setting up with Deltatraveler, they want Kris to be completely squeaky clean and innocent. It's just so contradictory and makes no logical sense. I hate it so much. In terms of specific sections, I feel like I've liked each section less than the previous one so far just in general, but I'll focus on Obliteration here since that's what the video is about. Ruins is really good. It's basically just Undertale's Genocide Route, which is already great, so of course this will be great too. Susie's stuff here is good, it's the very start and she's reacting to it naturally, and no dead horses are beaten. The Napstablook encounter is really creative, even if their death dialogue is just trying to guilt trip the player, which isn't the best. Using magic to kill them is a great concept. The only problem with the Ruins Obliteration I'd say is, of course, Kris pulling out the soul and killing you for certain dialogue options, but that's more of a problem with the whole game than specifically Ruins. Also Napstablook's guilt tripping I guess. It just doesn't work. Earthbound is... not so good. I don't like the blood. We've all kind of become desensitized to realistic, bloody violence over all these years, and it's become associated with edgy stuff. I don't necessarily think that it's just edgy and nothing else HERE, it has good reason to be there, they are creatures with blood of course they'd bleed, but it just doesn't do anything for me. Monsters dissolving into dust is way eerier. It's not "Look at all the BLOOD they're DEAD you KILLED SOMEONE YOU MONSTER" it's "You literally erased this person from existence. There is nothing of them left. Continue." It's a unique form of death that is not so overdone that everyone is desensitized to it, and it's strength in subtlety. There's none of that with a bloody death. Also the whole "You now have the ability to draw blood" or whatever is really stupid and dumb and I hate it. The Ness and Paula fight is great, but I hope that "Kill the protagonists in a bloody mess" is not the standard going forward for the other games' Obliteration Routes. If there is any blood in Mario & Luigi I will scream. There is SO much potential to make a dark, disturbing route out of the Bowser's Inside Story set up without resorting to blood. Break Bowser's bones or some shit. Kill his immune system. Something like that. There's also like, no way a Mario & Luigi fight would even work. They're known for dodging. That's their whole thing. So either we have VS 2 Sans who don't get tired, or we just don't fight them, which would be preferable. Underfell has like no differences at all, except for that dumb stupid edgy Sans normal kill the video already talks about. The IceShock kill is WAY better. Also, I don't remember his jaw falling off like that, did they add that in an update? Did they update it to be worse??? I guess the dust is back which is better than blood, and it's more morally grey I GUESS, except for the stupid dumb dog thing, but I do like the Susie encounter at the end... The fight, not the dialogue afterwards, that's dumb. But Susie being downed and then sparing herself because she's still part of the party (She also uses your TP) is clever. TLDR: Deltatraveler really needs to learn subtlety. (Might update this comment later I kind of rushed it cause I need to go somewhere)

my problems with deltatraveler's genocidal route: section 1: when kris kills us and makes us have to kill all the enemies again, I don't like it, ryno was able to make us respawn a room before we found toriel as carpainter. Section 2: I don't care about farming but the first part of section 2 is just killing enemies. Extra: I like that the enemies bleed because it makes sense and about the fight between Ness and Paula I like that Paula is the one who gets angry, it's a shame that canonically she doesn't have some of those attacks in Earthbound but I like it anyway. section 3: when susi and noelle leave the team it bothers me because they abandon him just for killing "snowy", I would have liked that before killing "snowy" noelle left the team and that susi abandoned us to look for her. Second problem: when Susi and Noelle abandon us in the Dogamy and Dogaresa fight it doesn't make sense, it would make more sense for them to abandon us in the Lesser Dog battle, but not say: "Kris, why do you want to kill a dog" and after five minutes They let us kill him, so Susi's fight was unnecessary although I liked the "devius" mechanic. third problem: the death of gg sans is not edgy but the last laugh is unnecessary. Anyway, as the video says, the Geno route is ok but something that catches my attention is the LV, we are already level 14 and it is only section 3, anyway, I am a big fan of deltatraveler.

Ok, there were a few things i wanted to note 1. Since you said you didn't play earthbound in the game, Ness and Paula don't every use team attacks (none of the party even use team attacks) it's them using their own attacks, so the attacks being a mix is more accurate so that's probably why its like that. 2. So the reason why the song sounds a bit weird and like some pieces are missing is because some pieces are actually missing since in earthbound you collect 8 melodys and by this point in the game Ness only has 2. 3. During phase 2 the song is from the Halloween hack. 4. While i admit that the attacks could have been more creative there really wasn't anything to pull from outside for also including PK/PSI freeze. 5. I really like the last part where it could possibly be a nod to the rolling health where in earthbound when your character is losing the health just roll down instead of being instead (don't quote me on this but I remember hearing that the more damage you take when this health is rolling down the faster it will go) so that's possible why Paula lasts a few more seconds. And 6. You didn't just kill the children you also technically killed everyone in that world do to the fact with Ness and Paula gone, Jeff and Poo can't defeat Giygas who will just destroy the world

Deltatraveler genocide is basically the "human I remember your genocides" brain rot memes you find on reddit ngl and seeing how Susie and Noelle continue to continually call Kris a murderer... It feels really uncomfortable and messed up even for a deltarune/Undertale game. Like really. I feel most fangames lose what the genocide route really is about. Don't get me wrong the route bosses some of them are fun but still

12:01 if you do this battle by getting both of the cultists to low health and then killing them both on the next two turns, this fight becomes so much easier. i’d say one cultist fighting you after seeing you kill the other one is harder than both of them fighting you at once.

Personally, my only main gripe with the Obliteration route is Section 3. In Section 1, there are barely any significant changes in the route since it is just the start. However, Section 2 feels a huge whiplash into the reality we are creatung, with the darker tone, dialouge, sprites, as well as a different boss then the one in a Pacifist run. It felt like it is setting up for Section 3’s Obliteration route to be extremely different (or at least very different) from its Pacifist counterpart. So when I finally did the Obliteration route and barely anything changes other than a few dialouge, sprite, and battle changes. I was severely dissapointed. Especially since the boss is the exact same as the one in Pacifist except now he is slightly harder. I get that this basically a Genocide route and that Genocide routes are not supposed to be fun. I understand that. The problem is the Obliteration route was setting itself up as this route which will derail the story to give the player a much more bigger and emotional impact rather than a route which will punish the player for going down it. If you were to ask me what I would change in Section 3’s Obliteration route. I would say replace GG!FellSans with GG!FellPapyrus, but instead of a really difficult battle with Ness and Pauline, it would be a reenactment of Undertale Papyrus’ scene in the Genocide route. Not only would this better fit the tone of the Obliteration Route but it would also give The Fun Gang another dilemma. The dilemma they had in Section 2 is of killing Ness and Pauline, who were literal children. In Section 3 they would have the dilemma of killing GG!FellPapyrus. Who is literally the only enemy who is sparing them on the first turn and isn’t even willing to fight them at this point. They would have the dilemma of killing the one person who still believes they could change. And I think that would be far more interesting than a harder GG!FellSans fight. It would also make the interaction which Undertale Papyrus much more impactful as the fun gang would see literally afterwards a version of the person they just killed. Or after killing GG!FellPapyrus they continue through the rest of GG!Fell all the way up to where they would usually find the next grey door in Pacifist. And since this is technically a different grey door than the one in Pacifist. They would end up in a entirely new Section 4. A completely different franchise than what is planned for Pacifist Section 4. Sorry for the rambling but I really wanted to share my thoughts on this

I actually am kind of on the side of the enemies actually bleeding out during Obliteration, since in Earthbound you're normally supposed to fight the enemies, which turn back to normal upon being defeated (Although in Deltatraveler, enemies just run away on the normal route when defeated) But here, you're going too far and actually severely injure them, instead of turning them back to normal

Paula isnt really in character. Shes a sweet girl and would probably be defenseless after Ness dies. Wheb you pick her up in Earthbound, you get a meat shied to make sure she can level up, because she is just so weak. Even after that point, I kinda used Paula more for healing than combat cos Poo, Ness, and Jeff all were better offensively. It would have been more in character if she prayed right as Ness died, and then the fight ensued.

One of my issues is that in this route is that susie and noelle do the same resisting during the ggfell sans fight as the ness and paula fight its just stupid how they bring this back for ggfell sans the character that deserves there fate in this route the most so far

The one instance where i saw "x char dies and y char is op" being done well is literally in some random perspective mod. Killing Alex Churchland too early just results into the Joel using his only bullet, then instakilling you. The end. Otherwise he holds off from actually shooting the gun completely. Trying to keep the bullet for as long as possible for future occassions. 25:01 would have been cooler if the only way to actually fight him is to forcefully KO your own party. through the means of intentionally taking damage. 28:23 it's so stupid that Susie only starts taking "active" measures not because due to being morally inclined to. But effectively just because "you're cringe"

Before Section 3 came out, I predicted that Susie and Noelle would get increasingly upset and distanced from Kris, and in a later section, they would abandon Kris entirely as a result. I think that would make for an interesting concept.

By the way for the paula fight you forgot to mention the fact you get x slash The easy way to do the fight is to have Kris do all of the damage with x slash and defend Susie and Noelle every turn to gain tp

"Deltatraveler Obliteration is too edgy" Mf its a literal Genocide route

My only complaints are for section 3. The lack of differences compared to the previous one really makes me feel bored, and the actual differences we get are extremely minor. While I don’t think Fell Sans’ death is edgy, I think it’s goofy. The art is chilling, but the dialogue and the laugh are so unfitting. The final lines feel stupid, and I think it would’ve been better if he just stayed silent. Also the fucking laugh is just an altered Patrick star laugh.

i was fine with the killing lesser dog in section 3 originally, but then when doing a pacifist route i saw he was scared of you in that which kinda ruined what i liked in the genocide. if lesser dog hadn't been scared in pacifist fight, the genocide fight with him would've been better for me

I still remember how I went through the obliteration route! In section 1, when I was killing monsters, new music started playing after that, it was atmospheric, I was especially impressed by the murders of Napstablook and to tam de, Flowey's dialogues changed! However, I am annoyed by the fact that Susie is not aware of killing a ghost! But still, section 1 wasn't bad! In section 2, when I killed a snake, blood starts flowing here, it caused a pretty good impression about it, because animals and people are made of blood. And when I tried to kill a snake on a neutral route, the place of death, the snake runs away, as it was in Deltarune, I especially liked how Suzy and Noelle fell into depression all because of the killing of children! But there are disadvantages in this section: tedium, grind and a fat strip of HP health (especially Ness and Paula)! In section 3, oh nightmare, how I FUCKING HATE the geno route in section 3!!! She disappointed me a lot! Susie immediately became normal after meeting Fell!Sans, especially after the rabbit house, Noelle has also become nominally, and they smile in sweats, pretending as if nothing had happened! There is too much hypocrisy of the characters, the whole route looks like a neutral, not a geno (except for Snovy, Dogami and Dogaressa, and lesser dog)! There's nothing changed in section 3, after the killing of the children! And Susie and Noelle are still attacking monsters, even though they promised to help Kris! After section 3, the geno route in Deltatraveler rolled down for me personally and I got sick of this route! I don't understand why many people liked the geno route in section 3?

GG!Fell sans was absolutely ASSASSINATED dialogue wise. He did NOT need redemption. He’s supposed to represent what we never got in UNDERTALE, “a merciless killer who doesn’t know mercy.” He’s vile and villainous, not some sob sad story. tl;dr, he’s not supposed to be a good person.

Few points I need to cover: 1: It’s actually called Obliteration Route 2: you know that blue cultist fight you had trouble with, well try to beat only using iceshock, you will get another scene of Kris killing his soul, it’s much different though, in fact, section 3 has a similar scene after the dogi fight, so I deduce each section will have a « Kris kills soul » moment 3: in case you don’t know, if you use iceshock on sans for the final hit during this route, you get to freeze him (the only one of the game also)

Honestly I think genocide is pretty unique in detlatravler it gives some uniques statues and makes tye genocide route actually difficult sometimes But man my biggest grip on it is how section 1&3 are pretty much just the same as pacifist like i highly expected section 3 to have you fight both sans and papyrus or something I mean yeah it does give the characters cool permanent statues but it needed a bit more imo

Fun fact: You can tell if the character is going to refuse fighting by their sprite in battle.

Deltatraveler Obliteration after the Noelle Curse of Section The Third

There was a livestream where the crater of delta traveler Talk about genocide run a little bit and They went through Making this route it's big thing screw The player over I kinda like that And isn't the genocide run meant to suck It's meant to be Tedious and annoying Because it doesn't want you to do it

Why would it be bad it's the only undertale fangame that let's you murder a human child in front of his friend

One thing I would have tried to implement, would be Paula's prayer mechanic. Also she'd have less health. But when she gets below half, she prays before every attack, which does things that praying does in Earthbound (small healing, attacking, status).

My honest favourite part of this route was riiiight at the beginning, the day the game first came out I finished the pacifist route and wondered what might happen if i started *killing* some *monsters* So I did, no real result at first but then… I heard it, the “ominous” sound from the snowgrave route, and I then understood part of what it was like for people to discover geno blindly in Undertale

Ness is stupid af in this game, tbh. He knows how strong these guys are and just tries to fight them? Either using psi teleport which he learns post-Fourside or pk flash to blind before talking? No matter what, they nerfed Ness super hard. Rockin alpha one shots the whole party and can't miss. Even if plot armor forced it to be dodge-able, Ness doesn't heal at all with psi or food. It's also really weird how your party shames you a lot, yet assists in killing children. They don't explain anything. Just a pathetic "Noo! Don't fight us, you'll die!" Like, pick Kris up and go in the portal like you do a few minutes later?

I like how Kris, Noelle, and Susie don’t discriminate in how fucked up all of it is. Monsters were killed, it’s disturbing. Humans were killed, it’s disturbing too. Equally traumatizing for them.

Personally i would cut the vs. Susie thing entirely and just have Susie and Noelle say "Kris dont you have anything better to do?" Basically blocking the player from killing anymore

It’s annoying that the enemies run away? What do you like, just want them to run to their deaths? Where’s the personality and emotion in that? Though I admit it is a bit annoying. Maybe the enemies should just have their speed reduced

I believe people expect more which can be overwhelming to deliver.

Y'know this game would've been really cool if it suddenly didn't fill itself with terrible writing that feels like it was written by an angsty teen, forced emotional moments, characters acting just out of character, and Underfell being shoehorned into it. Honestly I was hoping this game was just going to cover Undertale, and in those moments I believe it shines the most, though the game I believe has gotten a little too big for it's britches, and feels like with every chapter it strays farther and farther away from what made it's original games so special.

20:12 This is a reference to Earthbound’s scrolling HP mechanic where when Mortal Damage is taken or Hp that will kill you, you won’t immediately die and instead you will stay alive for as long as the HP hasn’t hit 0.

I just realized that Susie and Noelle not fighting during the Paula fight may be a call back to Lucas during the final battle of mother 3

Im surprise there is no comment in the minute 20:02 Paula notice kris is not the one fighting, is the PLAYER who is doing this and she only notice this till the end, and then she try to stop the player (breaking the window to attack you) but it was too late Thats how i I understood this scene

Actually you get told about the Napstablook fight if you try to do Oblit after meeting him. Like, if you exhaust an encounter after Napstablook isn't killed, the game will say things won't escalate since you left Blooky alone.

I wouldn't call them joining again to Kris an plot hole since they would just probably meet the same fate in the Underfell's snowdin forest mostly from fell Sans. And most of actions they perform are controlled by the player instead. They are also stuck with the player anyway so they would all meet in the same place again due to Grey doors.

I feel that a lot of fan games feel like they need a genocide route. Deltatraveler is a silly fangame based on a meme, and is based on deltarune, and a genocide-like route being in deltarune was a sort of an unexpected twist, and the fact there isn’t one in the first chapter makes it so you assume there isn’t one. And even then, we don’t know how the snowgrave route will continue, especially since Noelle isn’t in chapter 3 probably. I also wonder how future areas would work.

also sans in undertale either has blood or it's ketchup.

Section 3 just feels so...reluctant? It wants to keep driving in how terrible the things you're doing truly are, but isn't ready to break itself over your decisions like vanilla genocide is. It's trying to be snowdin while you're morally at waterfall. Imo, the natural consequences at this point should be noelle and susie leaving from the start. Playing solo can fundamentally change the section without even needing to change anything about the world. If they ever join you again, it should be after killing (or sparing) sans which is 100% justifiable. THEN you can have all the player-hating infighting and melodrama.

I hope Flowey will be the only boss who's difference on Obliteration Route is "You deal more damage and have more HP"

It may be a stretch but i think that rude buster being able to kill nasptablook maybe is a reference to pokémon, since dark type (also known as sinister or rude) is super-effective against ghost

12:43 "perhaps giving these serial killers a bomb will help them reform themselves." ah, yes. peak writing.

This is... the first I'm hearing about any substantial criticism regarding the DT geno route.

tbh a little edgyness cant hurt when its right dont forget that ryno also makes gg underfell and for me thats the best underfell it really shows characters outside of being edgy for example toriel that fuckin killed chara with detailed description of gore and sans here also has his personality here and motifs that differ him from original greatly also you can say that underfell sans is even more terrifying cus unlike normal sans hes got a lot more hp than him and isnt lazy meaning he can dodge much much MUCH more than original sans you cant really make underfell without being at least a little edgy and what im saying is that deltatraveler genocide feels like a breath of fresh air after undertales genocide where you only kill monsters that just turn into dust and thats all here you can not only murder people but also children its nice to see blood after all this time not to mention that it gives much better psychologial effect on players with kris wanting to be free from us even more on genocide also yes kris is going to have A LOT of angst in this mod (even more on genocide).

I never got around to finishing Deltatraveler, but one thing I wish Undertale fangames did more with their Genocide Routes is emphasize the role of NPCs. A lot of the time, Genocide Routes in Undertale fangames just tend to focus on the boss fights or major characters in the story, but Undertale's Genocide Route works mainly because of how the world reacts to what you're doing. I don't need some character whom I've only known for about a level or two saying how "Oh you're a bad person!!! You killed all those monsters hooman!!!" when Undertale was able to easily get that message across by having Sans tell me to keep pretending to be human. Like I've yet to play a fangame that gave me the same chills that I got from reading "Please, don't hurt my family"

Wait why are you calling Kris a male they're non-binary--

30:40 To be fair, in base UNDERTALE Flowey too gets quite the gruesome death in the genocide ending, from Chara taking control, with the only real build-up being that Chara presumably initiates their trademark expression right before the bossfight right before this, and that Flowey assumes setting up Asgore for you provoked you against Flowey. Meanwhile, this universe's Sans is very much implied to be beyond insane as-is, being a ruthless and heartless murderer, and provokes Susie no less with a trauma-inducing roast, meaning there's a crudton of reasons to do that and/or enraged projection... sure, there's no build-up unlike Flowey, but the suddenness and gruesomeness of the gruesome death is definitely a parallel (excluding the skull tearing off, which, to be fair there is a subtle hint at structural instability in his skeleton, connecting the right eye and the mouth, which could explain that).

For the geno fell sans fight I much prefer to end him with an ice shock since Susie will have enough and throw away her weapon which makes her weak making the challenge a bit more hard. Her attack will only be a punch which won’t do much at all

Howdy. I am a deltarune fangame developer who developed a fangame called "STARRUNE" It is a fully complete rather obscure fangame, I think it could fit on your channel, talking DT/UT fangames and all that. (And I put in tons of work so I always sorta want more people to see it.)

I have to save files on obliteration route, one the main, and second when I fuck things up. The problem with obliteration route is when you don't have a "backup" (so you can go back to the beginning to Section 3 after you kill Ness and Paula), you have to do the whole shit again from the very beginning of the game. Even when you miss 1 monster.

1:45 "but then the enemies start running away from you" Bruh I would be to if some murderous prick, who killed me twice before, came at me again while brandishing their weapon. I mean, I can see why this might be "bad" or "annoying" game wise but I think it's realistically what those monsters would do in that situation. After the first two losses I'd be like "oh shit they're coming back with murderous intent." I think Deltatraveler's obliteration route takes geno the same way Undertale does: Don't do it you cruel, ruthless, cold piece of shit. I don't think it's "supposed" to be enjoyable like genocide is in Undertale. Does that mean it should follow that same philosophy at the cost of an enjoyable experience? Idk, and idk why I've continued to rant for this long in a YT comment.

How I would rewrite the lesser dog scene is where instead of Susie and Noelle just giving up Susie just gets pissed off saying to stop trying to kill the dog but then the soul takes control and slashes Susie causing Noelle to tend to Susie’s wounds and heal them the soul then takes the chance while Susie is down and Noelle is healing the slash and runs past them and the soul won’t let you walk back to that room until you kill the dog

killing paula is better to me, since ness is the main character.

i think the problem with the route is that it's trying to be serious and a meme at the same time

I’ve seen all of the points you make as to why you don’t like it and I legitimately don’t get it. I think it’s amazing, and the section 3 complaints honestly don’t upset me or anything. I do understand how the characters should be just not accompanying Kris anywhere, but the rest just.. considering the whole “normal gg!fell death” also happens in normal routes, I don’t know. It’s just GG!Fell trying to get a rise out of you because he’s already killed, and it worked on Susie.

Tbh, I don't really consider Sans' normal death to be part of the Genocide Route of DeltaTraveler, mostly because it can still be accessed by normal means (from what I've seen at least)

i personally think the characters shouldnt have 'gotten over' the guilt of killing children so quickly. even after learning of the player, they still *did* it. Section 3 proves that they have a choice in if they do, or dont attack. while its true Underfell is just kill or be killed, i'd expect the gang wouldnt know this at first, which would be easy story-rewriting, i dont think much code needs to be changed, just sentence differences, and the gang should try harder to prevent kris from killing creatures, and kris should beable to try harder aswell. the "susie fight" after dog i feel like is unneccesary and cheesy for an actual threat and issue. this should be like a friend having an addiction, and your trying to stop him from being addicted. Noelle's Snowy classmate part was good though, but i feel like it might've just went downhill from there. im fine with the kris-eye part, it gives character and an idea. It should return to normal, hair over eye though after kris kills again, to bring the feeling again. we'll see how deltarune interacts with the obliteration route, if it: adds in jokes, *tries* to add in jokes, or just is serious as soon as obliteration is started again.

Paula boss fight was pretty bonkers, Noelle's dual heal always came in clutch for me.