Is The Era Of No Meta Over?

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@ProChara 3 месяца назад

This is my first super data driven video, so will be used as feedback for the next one, especially in the order I cover things, I hope you all enjoyed.

@Blaze36312 3 месяца назад

Actually really interesting to watch

@thesomething3238 3 месяца назад

I love the more data filled vids helps me create good team comps for me and my teammates

@thatoneguy41269 3 месяца назад

i did enjoy it prochara thank you

@hnglbanana 3 месяца назад

i really enjoyed this vid and would be happy to see something similar for the next season too

@Saturn-blueV1 3 месяца назад

I did. It was a very interesting and enjoyable video

@squidkid419 3 месяца назад

if Nintendo gets ahold of the sub weapon usage data, they may nerf sprinkler.

@D2_Spltwt 3 месяца назад

That’s what makes Snipewriter 5H good right??!??!?!???!

@squidkid419 3 месяца назад

@@D2_Spltwt YeAh!?!?!

@A-Dasher 3 месяца назад

@@D2_SpltwtYep Sprinkler definitely carries Pencil, yep sure 100% we need less Sprinkler

@nocturnalworker3992 3 месяца назад

As a casual blob main, they'll have to pry sprinkler from my cold dead squid fingers

@squidkid419 3 месяца назад

@@A-Dasher lol yeah, knowing how Nintendo balances things, that’ll be the part of pencil they nerf

@dean9472 3 месяца назад

Snipe 148, Shot 119, Slosher 92. So next update slosher is getting massive nerfs, it's special will also recieve a nerf, and shot will recieve a smaller than normal accuracy buff. Snipewriter won't change but Bamboo, the other charger that can't one hit will recieve a massive nerf by association.

@shinji6645 3 месяца назад

Mini will receive its fifth random change (preferably nerf) that no one asked for, some slow and unused weapon like H3 or Explosher will get the most minute of white ink buffs that will definitely catapult it into meta trust me bro and .52 will get Splash's perfect accuracy (it underperformed severely)

@Growingcrazy8 3 месяца назад

And pencil is probably gonna stay the same somehow

@mintystingmoon4787 3 месяца назад

also reef gets another paint nerf without a buff to compensate for said nerf

@lottiye 3 месяца назад

@@shinji6645also, sorella brella 200p

@toukopaavolainen3566 3 месяца назад

They will nerf sprinkler to "fix" pencil.

@z_alexolotl 3 месяца назад

something like this can show how "strong" does not have to necessarily mean "used" or how "weak" doesnt always mean "unused", like the booyah bomb and wave breaker scenario

@sagittariusa2145 3 месяца назад

And the “sprinkler one of the most popular subs” scenario

@z_alexolotl 3 месяца назад

@@sagittariusa2145 this aswell!!

@TheFrantastic 3 месяца назад

@@sagittariusa2145 That's bound to happen if they keep adding it to so many weapons lol

@sagittariusa2145 3 месяца назад

@@TheFrantastic True, except as prochara said, the sprinklers overwhelmingly came from exactly Snipewriter, and none of the other weapons.

@TheFrantastic 3 месяца назад

@@sagittariusa2145 I meant in general, they put some subs and specials on so many weapons and neglect others, I love beakon and kraken but they put them on either very few weapons or weapons I don't like, and that saddens me

@ShurikanBlade 3 месяца назад

Honestly so much data was dropped so quickly that at this point idk what's going on but it's still interesting to hear Chara talk about it even tho my head is empty.

@ProChara 3 месяца назад

Yea I might have the chart on screen longer and reduce how much of it I cover, this video is mostly a test for the format

@ShurikanBlade 3 месяца назад

@@ProChara I really enjoyed it as I find these empirical data videos interesting but it was just slightly difficulty to keep track of what exactly everything meant. It was a great vid tho and I'd love to see more of it.

@atsukana1704 3 месяца назад

@@ProCharai think more importantly we have no idea what the data means. “Usage points” makes some sense but we have no idea how we got there I feel like.

@gavinyeet5821 3 месяца назад

@@atsukana1704I think it would be helpful with a more proper explanation in the video, but the use% is how often something was picked out of all available weapon slots, meaning 8 possible uses each battle, while comp% was how often a weapon was used on any team. Use% should total to 100% while comp% should total to 400%.

@Ballistic2770 3 месяца назад

13:23 gotta love the little curser dance

@fuhlash 3 месяца назад

0:34 never in my life did i imagine that chara would make a fantano reference in a video

@shinji6645 3 месяца назад

Oli was COOKING dude

@hijackfb 3 месяца назад

0:34 PROTHONY CHARTANO

@dooplon5083 3 месяца назад

what?

@zalamazu 3 месяца назад

Prochara... pencil meta... forever!

@jsCP94 3 месяца назад

The internet's busiest Splatoon player.

@Adagia 3 месяца назад

Praise be Robbe and Nex for keeping inkbrush alive in high level o7

@cielosphere 3 месяца назад

fr !!

@miguel_hgx 3 месяца назад

The goats fr fr!! 😎

@Crowstada 3 месяца назад

Inkjet not being used surprised me A Lot. I expected it to be one of the more used specials

@freuner-merris 3 месяца назад

Same. But it makes sense considering that it's on so few weapons, and on so few notable weapons at that. The only really good Inkjet options are Ballpoint and Rapid Deco, but Ballpoint is bullied by pencil and I reckon Rapid Deco may have a hard time against other midrange picks such as Slosher and Range Blaster. Also, I'd reckon good Snipewriter players are probably pretty proficient at sniping Jets outta the sky, and ditto to the players of the multitude of midrange weapons popular in the tournament, so it really does make sense it wasn't picked much.

@unconcernedsalad2 3 месяца назад

jetpack is technically a strong option, but it has a mega losing matchup against all chargers, specifically pencil. if you know the other team isn’t picking a charger, then jetpack is a good idea. but at top level play, you already know everyone is running pencil, and you’re not gonnna pick jetpack in that type of environment

@Crowstada 3 месяца назад

@@unconcernedsalad2 Fair I didn’t think about pencil just existing to be broken and annoying and just ending some mid and long range options

@TheLaXandro 3 месяца назад

The only good Inkjet weapon is Ballpoint, and Ballpoint is terrified of Snipewriter meta. It can out-lame other chargers, but Snipes can't be out-lamed, if you try to play passively against it it'll just take all of your turf, toss a cooler to recharge and do it again. It's baisically Splat1 Dynamo, except instead of being shut down by backliners, it IS the backliner. We should've got Inkjet on so many weapons but we didn't. Neo Splash, L3D, Custom Goob, Gloog Decos, Custom Blaster/Enperries, every season has Inkjet bait and yet we only got five of them in total, with only two being able to regularly use it of which one is a joke weapon.

@Crowstada 3 месяца назад

@@TheLaXandro Thats actually so true never has a special been more baited. also I really want Sorella brella to work . _ , It just is so horrible at times It feels impossible to use, I hope someone in the higher competitive scene wins with it or places high in future tournaments. You know after hopefully they fix the net-code. (pls I need this to happen try your best to fix brellas nintendo I'm praying)

@ShurikanBlade 3 месяца назад

This harsh strict meta honestly seems like its a problem with the obsession to be zones only. Zones is probably pencils best mode due to its huge paint and having tact in zones is huge because you always have to come back to mid and so coming back go mid as fast as possible with tact is way more beneficial than let's say respawning and stopping a rainmaker push. Idk it just seems weird that people complain about pencil then ignore the 3 other modes where pencil simply isn't as good. Of course there's gonna be a stricter meta when you define yourself so strictly by choosing one mode exclusively.

@ProChara 3 месяца назад

The other modes are actually far worse in comp viability, pencil is still picked everywhere, and cb/rm makes zooka even stronger via having a giant glowing target on you. It doesnt matter the mode when pencil shuts down everything matchup wise besides zf. I wish it was an answer honestly but its not and dealing with kraken cheese or rm map quality is honestly a worse exp to me.

@MrEnzio777 3 месяца назад

Honestly the only solution is to HEAVILY nerf pencil, like we're talking Splatoon 2 Dynamo level nerfs, nerf Tacticooler in both duration and effect, and nerf Zooka's explosion/indirect damage to 45.

@probablygeneric429 3 месяца назад

@@MrEnzio777 It does not need to go that far. Remember that we've seen what the game looked like before Tacticooler and it is way better with Tacticooler being meta. (although keeping your after death is a bit much). Pencil just needs to be nerfed enough so that it's picked for filling both backline and support as it should be rather than being the best in both support and backline individually. So yeah a heavy nerf but not Dynamo levels of nerfing, it shouldn't be gone completely. As for zooka once again it was quite weak before being able to 2-shot with an indirect so the indirect damage radius should probably just be decreased instead. Just because something's the meta doesn't mean that it would be bad for the game if other options were used alongside it.

@MrEnzio777 3 месяца назад

@@probablygeneric429 I think that's where our opinions differ. I feel the only way to FIX Pencil filling both the support and backline role is to completely kneecap the weapon and only buff back one aspect of it because otherwise it is way too overtuned in all 4 modes. It's overpowered not just in Zones but the other 3 ranked modes the comp community decided just don't exist because the terrible map design that Zones is not immune to makes it feel like shooting fish in a barrel. Honestly I feel like these maps were designed for Turf War first then lazily had Ranked layouts slapped on.

@_pancakes1734 3 месяца назад

@@MrEnzio777they aren't even good turf war maps though. one of turf's key selling points is that if you're bad, you can just paint in a random corner to still contribute. most of these maps don't have enough areas outside of mid to paint in without getting dragged into fights

@agentblackbird9435 3 месяца назад

I’d really like a video comparing NA/EU meta to JP meta!

@ShadowSkyX 3 месяца назад

Understanding the other team's meta who don't live In the west is more important than credit is given. Understanding those differences and strengths; learning and playing their meta inevitably will eventually show its weaknesses. If there's no obvious weakness, then force them into making mistakes, into playing ways and positions they normally don't find themselves in. Break down the team, and the coordination will fumble.

@lucaswatts2141 3 месяца назад

the editor with the battle cats background and risk of rain music is based

@pixelrefuge24 3 месяца назад

Risk of rain music in the back ground love it

@JoyTheDataScientist 3 месяца назад

Good video! I love me a data driven video❤ A few notes that are actionable and don’t require advanced analytics: The total number of games would’ve been great to have a mental base model to compare to. The raw numbers usage of zooka felt like it could be augmented with a discussion on the percent of comps that had at least one zooka for how many comps ran it. Unmirrored winrates. One of the most potent ways to analyze the effect of such a pervasive weapon like zooka, cooler, or pencil is via unmirrored winrates. Of the matches where only one team ran pencil, how often did the team that ran pencil win? It has low data requirements so you don’t need a huge sample size and it’s excellent at driving home the point of why a specific pick was considered obligatory. Overall an excellent video! Advanced analytics could definitely dive even deeper into this tournament, I might give it a go later this month. But major credit to Oliy for gathering and compiling the data, goat status

@terretro3623 3 месяца назад

Big Dapple 3 while 6 months ago, was a really fun event I came to spectate. Was the first Splatoon LAN I’ve been to. First time I saw Vicvillon in person felt like a fever dream and I’ve gotten to know several others within the New York Scene, and have since then been excitedly awaiting Big Dapple 4

@superlounging 3 месяца назад

Shoutout to Edit users fighting the good fight. Great video, Chara. It's cool to see the current meta broken down to specifics to examine the trends, and I'd love to see other videos like this later so we can see how it changes.

@rare_edamimi_fangirl 3 месяца назад

12:56 what the hell? Balatro jumpscare? Glad this game is becoming more well known :)

@noremfor 3 месяца назад

It's gonna be interesting to see where other levels of gameplay fall in terms of its Meta over time, including Casual. Some weapons I've been seeing a lot in casual play is Enperry and Sploosh, and I think it might stay that way for a while, unless Sizzle Season '24 gives us a pretty interesting kit to work with

@sorchamoon 3 месяца назад

the data analysis is super interesting, Chara. def interested in seeing more of this kind of thing! it’s also cool to hear about the meta/comps at different levels of play

@chrisandwichshop 3 месяца назад

This was a nice change of pace. I've always been a sucker for data videos.

@The21stGamer 3 месяца назад

I love your videos where you deep dive into the current Splatoon meta, and one that's this data-focused is really my cup of tea! I really enjoyed this style of content and would 100% watch more.

@LimusTG 3 месяца назад

I would love more of these types of videos. Also, spot on editing.

@NoaH22102 3 месяца назад

It is an insanely good video. Keep this up and youre gonna go fly. I love these meta Discussion

@icyflame716 3 месяца назад

This is easily the best splatoon content. I love seeing these statistics. Great video Chara.

@pawpi9397 3 месяца назад

8:25 tent dying even though the shield is clearly up

@catmoon5936 2 месяца назад

I like all the data and graphs in this video, makes it feel like a news report

@Ballistic2770 3 месяца назад

this video was fun! i’d love to see more of this style of video!

@antusFireNova 2 месяца назад

This vid is really helpful! Would be nice to see analysis on other modes, even with less tournament results to analize

@sapphiccselkie 3 месяца назад

hey!! i’m actually finding this content style entertaining, and i like how you elaborate and explain why *why* of the stats rather than just listing popularity 😁😁😁

@reti5828 3 месяца назад

6:44 Spotted Antibirth OST 😮

@squiffrut94 3 месяца назад

the fantano/theneedledrop reference at 0:34 took me out LMAOOO

@Deg-no 3 месяца назад

would love more of this !

@crystonlight5804 3 месяца назад

Great vid, I am very glad to see an analytics based video!

@georgugas 3 месяца назад

LESHGOOO PROCHARA META VIDEO

@TheDemonOfSemen 3 месяца назад

5:22 I can't believe that both Seeker and Smallfry haven't seen much use in competitive play! They're such good subs, even worth picking on bad mains.

@slyar 3 месяца назад

2:11 Jet and Missiles not getting used at all is hilarious to me

@TheSacredTapu 3 месяца назад

It’s been a year sense I played splatoon after spending a week of only playing pencil which burnt me out for so long. And coming back to see pencil being good makes me wish I waited a bit longer

@magic3734 3 месяца назад

Video 47 of commenting on Chara videos till brella is good

@freuner-merris 3 месяца назад

At least we have the solace of Tent being good.

@ohkoxar 3 месяца назад

I wonder how the data would change for other mode specific tournaments? For example, I can see rainmaker only tournaments affecting pencil's placement a bit due to the low object damage that pencil has.

@Grenze_Splatoon 3 месяца назад

I love these data analysis videos.

@sashasscribbles 3 месяца назад

This was really fun! Would love to see another video like it. I'm kind of suprised about Vanilla Naut not being used at all because I thought rain would be alright in zones? I guess theres just stronger options... Lol my brain just went "what if Ink Storm healed brella shields even while they're deployed" and now I wish I had a way to test that out because it sounds fun as hell as a casual brella player

@MishyYoshy 3 месяца назад

innocence glitched the binding of isaac antibirth ost mentioned omggg

@goose.exclamationpoint 3 месяца назад

i don't normally leave comments, but this video was SUPER interesting, definitely one of my favorites overall! keep it up and im excited to see more data focused stuff!

@neuro1944 3 месяца назад

A vid full of roguelike's music? Love to see it

@FBIAgentRC- 3 месяца назад

Gotta say your taste in music is peak af. Crypt, Isaac, Fire Emblem, RoR, Xenoblade are all banger IPs

@professorhikaru3939 3 месяца назад

No Rapid Blaster Deco makes me sad. I guess it is time to move to Range, Blaster or even Slosher or Machine Noveu. Thanks for the analysis and the effort put in this vid!

@chester1882 3 месяца назад

Lmao love the balatro footage used

@corvus6971 3 месяца назад

If stamp got a few buffs I could definitely see wiper making a bit of a comeback (pun intended), it's pretty much the only qr weapon that's surviving in the cooler meta

@sansundertale2424 3 месяца назад

Hearing the Abandoned Aqueduct theme from ror2 made my day lol, didn't know Chara was a fan!

@BabaBeDrippin 3 месяца назад

OMG I LOVE RISK OF RAIN 2 😍😍 omfg omfg I love all the sound tracks

@finphone7387 3 месяца назад

0:38 you got a daft punk record nice

@TTG_JG 3 месяца назад

THANK YOU for this video Chara

@1-5_Star_Gaming 3 месяца назад

Glad im subbed to this

@cc2255tt 3 месяца назад

🎉 LTC! LTC is gonna be my first LAN and I’m so excited for it. The data in the video was very interesting to just see how much a dominance pencil and zooka have on the game.

@Tacodoge64 3 месяца назад

Like the use of balatro very good game

@pikamatt6683 3 месяца назад

6:44 nice music here 😎

@popsicIes 3 месяца назад

this video was delicious!!! yes chara can you do another one of these in 3 months??

@GamesAndAnimes 3 месяца назад

I like this kind of stats. I even created my own file for my own gameplay.

@joshsweeney7025 3 месяца назад

Pro wrestling memes mixed with Splatoon videos just makes me happy.

@guster-animations 3 месяца назад

aw crap, a while ago i was trying to make a weapon diversity data thing (and failed and gave up) and now chara’s beaten me to the punch but actually, this is super interesting and i’d love to see future videos looking at data from past majors

@Veckle 3 месяца назад

It’s him, Prochara

@Mia279_ 3 месяца назад

Xenoblade and Balatro music, perfect video

@Ringoismybirdo 2 месяца назад

I think it would be interesting if specials had limits per match this could be used to balance special spam weapons like aerospray

@TheCauserOfHavic 3 месяца назад

I would love to see a video on how to get into competitive. I really want to get into competitive splatoon for the land event. Thanks

@user-vt3ro8os3f 3 месяца назад

I'm actually shocked that neo machine is used so much

@rubyrose5038 3 месяца назад

The bamboozler is the meta.

@sylphroid 3 месяца назад

Small note about tent blocking the 1st zooka shot completely thats something every brella can do not anything against tent just worth mentioning

@tonjolley6422 3 месяца назад

Wait what. You included Lil Buddy in Sub usage 😂

@Spacewizard9 3 месяца назад

Am scared

@dinoweirdo4785 3 месяца назад

if bucket gets a good kit then its gonna do amazing but for now were stuck one kit having a middle ground special and the other kit stuck with being to hard for people to get good with

@mtatters3603 3 месяца назад

Can’t wait for the splatoon 3 meta history… still remember triple splash

@MrEnzio777 3 месяца назад

It'll just be going from Crab Meta to Pencil Meta and deeming 3/4 of the ranked modes nonexistent. Can do that video in a short.

@moutondemocrate6874 3 месяца назад

RISK OF RAIN 2 MENTIONNED RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WUNGUS NATION RISE UP

@VeraGamingNetwork 3 месяца назад

I hear that Binding of Isaac music!

@jasruss989 3 месяца назад

The only thing I want is for that old rock paper scissors meta from splatoon 2 to return

@jamming_jimmy_12 3 месяца назад

Dicey Dungeons music!!

@GalaxyButt1507 3 месяца назад

Please do a tier list of all side order chips and kits

@1unar_eclipse 3 месяца назад

12:58 Balatro jumpscare

@v3n0m_dx 3 месяца назад

I still have a hard time grasping how Snipewriter went from being the least used weapon in the game to the most used

@warmaniac989 3 месяца назад

What we need is a counter to pencil, cooler, AND zooka

@master-pz5ed 3 месяца назад

really wondering what edit gets like GOD DONT GIVE IT REAF SLIDER NINTENDO PLASHEEEEEEEEE

@adriann9919 3 месяца назад

Just saying there's still no splatling with reefslider 💀

@vividBloodsucker 3 месяца назад

I have faith nintendo wouldn't be stupid enough to put Reefslider on a Splatling with such a long charge time, nor Zipcaster, which are probably the only two specials that are currently unused on the weapon type that should absolutely NOT happen (zipcaster on Mini MIGHT be interesting though) Hopefully it gets something like Triple Inkstrike or Crab with a worthwhile sub to back it up (Splat/Suction/Auto for Bombs, Beakon as Utility or Mines at a push) but with how the previous kits have been it will probably be stuck with Screen or Super Chump... Mind you with a buff and a good Sub, Screen MIGHT be usable to give you cover while you charge your gun...

@handel2502 3 месяца назад

I see the absolute cluster of weapons the "tent specialist" Leafi uses and I'm just like "Dang. That's some flexibility to aspire to there."

@korok7523 3 месяца назад

yoo Hades reference?!

@kayoh9364 3 месяца назад

I'm sure it's been covered before, but. What makes weapons good together is a comp? Obviously, synergy, but that can mean a lot of things. Compensating for each other's weaknesses, helping to fill holes in party composition/roles, comboing off each other, helping to further each other's strengths.... Obviously, a data-driven meta analysis is not the place to be explaining concepts like "what makes a good comp" but. I dunno, future video idea?

@ElGing 3 месяца назад

Best composition to me in sz : Pencil, shot, squeezer, slosher.

@Nihonguy 3 месяца назад

im just astonished toxic mist was as high it it was lol

@adamoleary1969 3 месяца назад

Ah, the olden days when people were laughing at pencil when it first released, how times have changed

@Bluebatstar 3 месяца назад

I’m honestly glad Pencil is good. Maybe not _that_ good but it’s just so awesome of a weapon to me and I’m glad it sees usage. If it gets nerfed (which is probably should) then I hope it at least stays good or relevant

@ocarinatales1331 3 месяца назад

Aw man, no nautilus (This is mostly just me thinking it'd be cool to see a weapon I use be used more, not complaining)

@deewoodworth5410 3 месяца назад

Omg squdithony fantano

@HeDronHeDronHedron 3 месяца назад

Inkjet has the greatest falloff known to man

@Ferniiiii 3 месяца назад

Squeezer meta in our hearts

@user-jh3yu5pe4s 3 месяца назад

The tourney happens to be within walking distance of my house!?

@AgentReplied 3 месяца назад

Bro might be a pro 🤔

@WoahPalBackItUpABit 3 месяца назад

So does that mean no more meta weapons? I see this as an absolutely win

@MrEnzio777 3 месяца назад

There are definitely meta weapons. Anything with Cooler or Zooka that can charge its special quickly. It's like the max Special Charge Up Aerospray that spams Booyah Bombs every 10 seconds.

@calebcondit9228 3 месяца назад

Expected more ballpoint! I wonder if that’s because of the recent nerf?

@HeDronHeDronHedron 3 месяца назад

Recent nerf gutted it’s matchups but it was already really bad against pencil

@aquamarinerose5405 3 месяца назад

I hate the fact that part of me feels like I ought to learn Snipewriter. Though I'm not a comp player. But N-Zap 85 is already the weapon I usually main and it seems that for Cooler weapons I might need to learn some things... same with splattershot. Luckily I also already have an okay slosher.

@toukopaavolainen3566 3 месяца назад

I FREAKING LOVE DATA

@mollypercocets9190 3 месяца назад

Balatro............ JESUS! would be the crossover of the millenium

@a-j-o-l-o-t-3 3 месяца назад

who woud say that when pencil came on, it was so awful and the kit was bad until the bufed the weapon and we realized how actually good the weapon and kit were...being the best weapon in the game for so many months.Is just shocking

@ajmoment8091 3 месяца назад

as a small bit of additional context from a low level player. Pencil is still a problem at low level, even if it's not ubiquitous. I'm saying this as the pencil player for my team, I genuinely feel bad using it sometimes because of how much it can limit what weapons the other team can pick. Particularly anything with inkjet is either forced to get less value out of their special than they could just because of my presence, or is immediately shot out of the sky. If someone has a ballpoint one trick on their team, just by me picking pencil they're effectively forced off of it. As someone with no prior charger experience or comp experience on backlines it only took me like, a week or 2 of occasionally playing it in anarchy to get to this point too. And that's nowhere near top level play either, this is at the oh so prestigious rank of sendouq silver+. I think the only reason it's not too dominant in low level is genuinely just that people don't want to run it.