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@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Our "Flipping the Script" debate was quite controversial, so we are pleased that you are continuing the discussion in our comment section. But: Please remain respectful towards the people in the video as well as other users.
@endlessfart3374
@endlessfart3374 3 месяца назад
Invite student from Poland or Hungary.
@hcwcars1
@hcwcars1 3 месяца назад
Go to Malmö Sweden and then tell us about migrants.
@jeffsterling2809
@jeffsterling2809 3 месяца назад
What happened? Seems selling drugs and intimidation is common place
@user-th5ui4ib3y
@user-th5ui4ib3y 3 месяца назад
for the best experience, take something expensive with you, like, for example, a camera.
@maximilianmares
@maximilianmares 3 месяца назад
Apparently they got rights. but only in Europe they find out about Human Rights and unfortunately we give them a privilege, even If they use ''Human Rights as a Weapon''. Of course forgive my racist . But why would you will choose to import someone instead of having your own product ? Do you really don't care about the future of our own people ? or We should transform Europe in Africa India or Middle East (because we are unable to consolidate our own societies ) ?
@EugeneRoif
@EugeneRoif 3 месяца назад
​@@maximilianmares💯% correct. All those funds are going to import migrants that will change the culture to one closer to the middle east and Africa instead of putting those funds into making more babies from EU culture. So crazy... No more migrant problems, less crime etc.
@noodleppoodle
@noodleppoodle 3 месяца назад
"Sharing migrants" across the EU is a strange concept, the people who arrive do not want to live in Central European nations that do not have generous welfare and have lower wages. They want to go to the highest developed lands. How do you want to trap them in Slovakia, Poland or Estonia so they do not move along Schengen to Germany, Denmark or France where they want to be? You should also see that Central European states do not say they don't want migrants, in fact there is a lot of migration there in the last couple of years. They do not want migrants who will change or hate local culture, and they want to vet people who move there. Is the EU failing migrants? The EU would be better served focusing on the needs and problems of the citizens and the people who are already here.
@BC_Bln
@BC_Bln 2 месяца назад
I work with migrants, and a lot of integrated migrants would agree with what you are saying.
@darrinatorrr
@darrinatorrr 3 месяца назад
Zero migrants is the number.
@matthazelnut707
@matthazelnut707 3 месяца назад
ilegal migrants*
@sharpasacueball
@sharpasacueball 3 месяца назад
Too late. Most have permanent residency and citizenship
@ryan5758
@ryan5758 3 месяца назад
Agreed!
@ryan5758
@ryan5758 3 месяца назад
@@sharpasacueballwe can revoke them and send them home
@joaov.m.oliveira9903
@joaov.m.oliveira9903 3 месяца назад
Can you? 😅 ​@@ryan5758 How is that supposed to be then?
@daylightmoon7285
@daylightmoon7285 3 месяца назад
The NGOs encourage people to make dangerous, illegal journeys and crossings into Europe. Law and order are paramount in Europe. It is a crime to encourage unvetted people to come. There have to be laws to make the NGOs to act legally and stop enticing unemployable people to come. The NGOs ask for more money and more money but they won't do anything about crime, gang violence, culture based assaults on women, etc. etc, Europe commits an enormous mistake by being selectively judgemental about other countries like Egypt, Tunisia, etc. You can't pander to China and previously Russia and then accuse Egypt of not being democratic. Shande! Schande! Keep your EU double standards on your own continent.
@arnaupuig5097
@arnaupuig5097 3 месяца назад
"Failing"? WE OWE THEM NOTHING
@tirana625
@tirana625 3 месяца назад
Did you forget about history ??? Colonialism WW1 WW2 communism all these are made possible by your european goverments all this imbalance and injustice so there is that 😮
@arnaupuig5097
@arnaupuig5097 3 месяца назад
@@tirana625 So what? None of us were alive.. anyway, there was always "imbalance and injustice", EVERYWHERE
@Henklord
@Henklord 3 месяца назад
@@tirana625 So how much is the debt and when will we have finally paid it off?
@tirana625
@tirana625 3 месяца назад
@@arnaupuig5097 but you are alive now living in a developed country who robbed all the recources from the rest of these countries are you not 😉?
@tirana625
@tirana625 3 месяца назад
@@Henklord when all the countries the europe f during the decades will be in balance with a decent life and will not be seen as a lower class or differentiate from european human beings lets say
@ancillabernstein1111
@ancillabernstein1111 3 месяца назад
Yes, Germany definitely has enough illegal immigrants.
@JaELGo
@JaELGo 2 месяца назад
where? How would they even get through Frontex, several different countries and german police? Every single migrant I have met in my 30 years of living in Germany has immigrated through the legal process (i.e. asylum or visa)
@marvin2678
@marvin2678 19 дней назад
​@@JaELGoyoure wrong lol
@JaELGo
@JaELGo 19 дней назад
@@marvin2678 fascinating analysis of my lived experience XD
@davidecappelli9961
@davidecappelli9961 3 месяца назад
I’m Italian, I live in Italy. The Italian lady is completely detached from the reality in Italy and is rather naïve.
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Which of her arguments do you disagree with? She is speaking here form years of experience working in NGOs
@davidecappelli9961
@davidecappelli9961 3 месяца назад
@@enentr These last 15 years have shown that most migrants are young North African Muslims who don’t want to integrate. Angela Merkel imposed massive uncontrolled immigration on the EU. Is this democracy? I doubt it. She flooded Europe with millions of young men from a completely different cultural background. What did she expect?? Thanks to her the UK has left the EU, happy countries like Sweden have turned into a mess. As to Europe aging, the answer is easy: let’s invest in helping European young couples, let’s give welfare (Italy, for example, has low wages and no welfare). Then there will be children, there will be money for pensions. Europeans want to remain european and the majority in their land. Not to become a minority, among a majority of muslim migrants.
@samoliver9426
@samoliver9426 3 месяца назад
' she is speaking here from years of experience...' zzzzzzzzz and the people here are speaking from years of experience living amongst it
@davidecappelli9961
@davidecappelli9961 3 месяца назад
@@enentrI wrote an answer but you erased it.
@lindenpilkington6364
@lindenpilkington6364 3 месяца назад
She’s talking rubbish! 7000 a day coming from Africa to a small Italian island ! She’s not even looking in her own back yard !! These lot are drowning us !
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Small fact check here: in March 2024, 6857 migrants arrived in Italy by sea in the whole month (source: United Nations)
@enricodellamonica5145
@enricodellamonica5145 3 месяца назад
@@enentr ok so now you are fact checking....but not when the Italian girl talked about the "everybody commits crime" argument.
@batistab-ii5658
@batistab-ii5658 3 месяца назад
Italian woman living in 2006 . Completely detached from reality.
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Giulia is speaking with the weight of years of experience working in NGOs. Which of her arguments specifically do you disagree with?
@cybernd78
@cybernd78 3 месяца назад
@@enentr She is a sales person and has years of experience where she trained her sales pitch.
@thedave8097
@thedave8097 3 месяца назад
Import third world > become third world. This is something that we have seen happen in practice over the last 10 years. Most migrants will never adapt to western society and will not intergrate. Studies show that most migrants from poor non-european backgrounds are a net loss for the economy and only put more strain on social services. Europe really only has two choices: - Close down its borders and set up very high standards for legal immigration, such as needing to be university educated before coming in - Allow a higher level of immigration but have every nation state dismantle their social state. Similar to the US, no free healthcare, no unemployment, no free education etc.
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
There is much evidence to suggest that migrants can make a net fiscal contribution to the countries they come to live in, here is a source with various studies with mixed evidence: migrant-integration.ec.europa.eu/library-document/projecting-net-fiscal-impact-immigration-eu_en
@samoliver9426
@samoliver9426 3 месяца назад
Zzzz
@sexy1379
@sexy1379 3 месяца назад
​@@enentrthank you for posting the study. But you could at least have read it firsr. It states that EU immigrants are a net benefit and non-EU immigrant COULD be a benefit if they get better access to the labor market. This means if the goverment invest even more money into them they maybe become a net gain. But honestly how are you gonna tell a population that can't afford housing and having kids to invest in non-EU immigrants. It makes no sense they should invest in families (population growth) if their citizens not some foreign people.
@Mnm1386
@Mnm1386 3 месяца назад
@enentr maybe you should check out crime and rape statistics in Sweden last 20 years and check-out statistics of ethnicities committing those crimes. 80 % of them are not Swedes. We have and can live just fine without migration.
@SnowWhiteArches
@SnowWhiteArches 3 месяца назад
question to the black girl - if the EU work regulations and burocracy are so bad, why your parents chose Europe? you probably have passed many African peaceful countries that are much closer to your culture.
@stevenoscar5805
@stevenoscar5805 3 месяца назад
Because those peaceful countries her parents passed their economy has been destroyed by same person like you who is complaining, listen to Italian girl properly,she is well informed than you.
@SnowWhiteArches
@SnowWhiteArches 3 месяца назад
@@stevenoscar5805 Egypt was destroyed? Botswana? South Africa?
@Jamie-uk2zh
@Jamie-uk2zh 3 месяца назад
@@stevenoscar5805always blame someone else never take responsibility
@altosh7
@altosh7 3 месяца назад
​@stevenoscar5805 Sorry but war is not something that only happend in Africa. In europe we suffered also. Stop blaming others , that's not successful peoples mentality
@EugeneRoif
@EugeneRoif 3 месяца назад
​@@SnowWhiteArchesEgypt yes! They have a failed economy. I am not too familiar with the others so will not comment. But, Egypt is heavily dependent on the US bail money.
@leunisvandewege9651
@leunisvandewege9651 3 месяца назад
Main problem of Europe (Western world): too many students and too many ngo's.
@noodleppoodle
@noodleppoodle 3 месяца назад
People prolong education when there aren't enough jobs.
@Nopenottoday2480
@Nopenottoday2480 3 месяца назад
💯
@mathiasrast-reich430
@mathiasrast-reich430 3 месяца назад
😂 completely detached from reality the Italian woman
@danielefabbro822
@danielefabbro822 3 месяца назад
We have 6 millions of migrants. More than what have many others EU countries. What differ is just that we have a better approach and maybe you could learn something from us.
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
What do you think is better about the approach in your country?
@danielefabbro822
@danielefabbro822 3 месяца назад
@@enentr well we have a method that probably you won't like. We treat everyone as the same, because that is what our constitution says. Art.1 Italy is a democratic republic founded over work. Sovereignity belongs to the people that exercitate it among the limits imposed by the Constitution. Art.2 the Republic recognizes and guarantees the inviolable rights of man, both as an individual and in the social formations where his personality develops, and requires the fulfillment of the mandatory duties of political, economic and social solidarity. Art.3 All citizens have equal social dignity and are equal before the law, without distinction of sex, race, language, religion, political opinions, personal and social conditions. It is the duty of the Republic to remove economic and social obstacles which, by effectively limiting the freedom and equality of citizens, prevent the full development of the human person and the effective participation of all workers in the political, economic and society of the country. Art.8 All religious denominations are equally free before the law. Religious denominations other than Catholic have the right to organize themselves according to their own statutes, as long as they do not conflict with the Italian legal system. Their relations with the State are regulated by law on the basis of agreements with the relevant representatives. Art.10 The Italian legal system conforms to the generally recognized norms of international law. The legal status of the foreigner is regulated by law in accordance with international norms and treaties. The foreigner who is prevented in his country from the effective exercise of the democratic freedoms guaranteed by the Italian Constitution has the right to asylum in the territory of the Republic according to the conditions established by law. Extradition of foreigners for political crimes is not permitted. These are the main articles of our constitution that regulates the life of citizens and foreign civilians in Italy. Judge by yourself.
@loke1555
@loke1555 3 месяца назад
@@danielefabbro822 europe is not a social welfare office or a rescue centre. we are different peoples with different cultures this is our home not theirs. if Europe had stopped accepting a single migrant, there would have been no migrants. just because you're half eggplant doesn't mean we want to be
@loke1555
@loke1555 3 месяца назад
@@danielefabbro822 europe is not a social welfare office or a rescue centre. we are different peoples with different cultures this is our home not theirs. if Europe had stopped accepting a single migrant, there would have been no migrants. just because you're half eggplant doesn't mean we want to be
@woonwouter4404
@woonwouter4404 3 месяца назад
The problem is people like this Italian lady😢
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Giulia is speaking from years of experience working in NGOs. Please avoid making personal comments about the guests. Which of her arguments do you disagree with?
@samoliver9426
@samoliver9426 3 месяца назад
All of them!
@NeygarzruinedAmerica
@NeygarzruinedAmerica 3 месяца назад
They should be in jail
@enricodellamonica5145
@enricodellamonica5145 3 месяца назад
@@enentr she s comparing regular Italian migrants (who for the most part went back to Italy), with irregular migants living off welfare and having high crime rate. Plus there is no correlation between work permission and unemployment. Most of the irregular migrants simply have not enough skills for the job market. They don't even speak the language.
@arttukreutzman
@arttukreutzman 3 месяца назад
i cannot disagree more with a lady from Italy: - Europe is not cheap manufacture producing some low quality goods. we have already outsourced a lot of our production elsewhere due to cost savings. will the illegal migrant work for the same salary as someone in Mexico or India? for that reason we need highly educated/specialized people. that is the biggest european power - the high quality goods and services. - against argument about need of low qualified workforce - maybe the policy should be to utilize firstly our own resources ? level of unemployment in the group of migrants who are already here is enormous. ask them to join the workforce . if you want to make a pie you don’t go to supermarket to do a shopping before checking which ingredients you are missing - empty apartments giveaway ? - no comments shouldn’t we are not thinking about our nations first ?
@maxuser1221
@maxuser1221 3 месяца назад
1. There are no vacant low skilled jobs in Europe? [in Netherlands we have severe shortage] 2. Where in Europe people prefer migrants when natives are available to work? 3. Vacant apartment will earn GDP and tax. Better than dead asset. Why is Italy selling 1 euro apartments? 4. Yes ofcourse.
@arttukreutzman
@arttukreutzman 3 месяца назад
@@maxuser1221 1. absolutely there are but to become any low skilled role you will have to firstly sign a contract which requires ability to read, write and understand the contract. 2. i am not referring to natives but people already being migrated from outside to Europe. if the argument is “we need the less qualified people” we should start with offering jobs to suitable (able to read and write and understand basics of language of the country they are settled in) migrants who are settled already. 3. for the empty apartments - if i’m the owner of the apartment and i don’t want to rent it , it should be may own right to decide about it. if in your apartment one room is empty and the government will say it’s the waste of space and place there anyone without your permission would you be happy about it ?
@EugeneRoif
@EugeneRoif 3 месяца назад
So if people bought an apartment with their hard earned money. Looking for an example as an investment or a summer home. That should be taken away? This is nuts... So basically it means, why work? I can just take someone else's apartment. Can't she understand what that road leads us?
@celvinscott502
@celvinscott502 3 месяца назад
And nobody Talks about the 4th Industrial Revolution (AI, Robotics etc.) and it's consequences. 🤷
@arttukreutzman
@arttukreutzman 3 месяца назад
@@EugeneRoif absolutely!
@JoEl-ph6qn
@JoEl-ph6qn 3 месяца назад
The italian girl has lost contact with the reality.
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Which of her arguments do you disagree with?
@tonytony3255
@tonytony3255 3 месяца назад
@@enentr All of them.
@chibi-chibi-chaba-chaba-rubi
@chibi-chibi-chaba-chaba-rubi 3 месяца назад
@@enentr Literally everything, we don't want people like this on public media ever again, I am from Portugal and Ive seen ISIS militants in front of my eyes in public streret, my father was a war refugee from Angola and he was with me on that day, Schengen has failed, how do you expect to "share" illegal immigrants to Bulgaria and don't expect them to move to Germany, the 15th year birthday my sister received this year was a pepper spray and krav maga lessons, this is the europe you have created to people like my family who fled from a war in search of a better life. Thank you.
@auriel8300
@auriel8300 3 месяца назад
Hey Giulia Europe is not an NGO ! If you want to help migrants go in their country and help them
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Where do you disagree with Giulia's arguments?
@auriel8300
@auriel8300 3 месяца назад
@@enentr There is no arguments. Just emotionalism.
@carldsouza3255
@carldsouza3255 3 месяца назад
These NGO people. If tou want to help these people go to their country and help them. You can't make decisions on bringing them over without having other people's opinion.
@tomaszsliwinski384
@tomaszsliwinski384 3 месяца назад
ppl like Giulia just want to help others, i have only one problem they want to use others money and recources great go and help but first go to work get money and then help.......and then you can dare to judge others its odd how often those activists are ppl that finished schools for their cominity money, bought houses for parents money and then they want to use taxpeyers money to help
@juan-ko5hz
@juan-ko5hz 3 месяца назад
Finding a job in Italy is mission impossible as it is. Can't see where is the said shortage of workers
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Worker shortages can happen in specific sectors but not in others. For example, many countries have a shortage of care workers and nurses. Which sector do you work in?
@mirthy8219
@mirthy8219 3 месяца назад
​@enentr how unskilled migrant will become a nurse? And if so, how costly it will be? I would rather spend that money on attracting skilled nurses from outside EU or only allow to enter to EU people only with the skill we need.
@kikolandzik
@kikolandzik 3 месяца назад
@@enentr you need to be able to speak the language where you live. how do you imagine how you don't speak the same language where you work and still in the hospital?
@enricodellamonica5145
@enricodellamonica5145 3 месяца назад
@@enentr Italy have shortages only in qualified positions, much like many other European countries. The illegals don't even speak the language...
@maxuser1221
@maxuser1221 3 месяца назад
German - "We need to get asylum seekers and keep an eye to there qualifications" That is literally economic legal immigration....ALL COUNTRIES HAVE IT.....
@BlackHack-nx3pp
@BlackHack-nx3pp 3 месяца назад
Which is what he argues should be the only type of immigration because its legal? Really digging this guy out for arguing for only legal immigration
@user-sl1ms2og6g
@user-sl1ms2og6g 3 месяца назад
China want to control the whole world, you just meet their ambitions
@fizzlestick84
@fizzlestick84 3 месяца назад
Sounds to me that this Italian ngo woman is really describing those that arrive here irregularly, as economic migrants. That's what I believe the majority are... Not genuinely seeking asylum but using it as a guise to forcefully enter a country for the purpose of bettering their lives. This is abuse of the asylum system and why people are tired with it. I notice in Ireland, our political class deliberately conflate migrants and asylum seekers as a way of dismissing the locals concerns. We are being swamped with economic migrants entering under the guise of seeking asylum here in Ireland with over 80% last year, entering our state with no documents after disembarking their flights. They are deliberately destroying their own documents and therefore the barriers to getting into the work sector are self created, although here in Ireland there are more social security numbers given out to asylum seekers than actual people entering the workforce. The remainder are on welfare. We have an opt out on migration under the Lisbon treaty and I certainly hope we opt out.
@giovannikruschewsky3210
@giovannikruschewsky3210 3 месяца назад
Close the borders
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Why do you think that would help? What would happen to people fleeing war?
@Camille_Anderson
@Camille_Anderson 3 месяца назад
​@@enentrthey are not all fleeing war!
@NeygarzruinedAmerica
@NeygarzruinedAmerica 3 месяца назад
​@@enentrWho cares. It's not our problem. Maybe they can move to Asia
@BC_Bln
@BC_Bln 2 месяца назад
@@NeygarzruinedAmerica Is this a response you want to get when you are in trouble?
@NeygarzruinedAmerica
@NeygarzruinedAmerica 2 месяца назад
@@BC_Bln We want Cananda and Mexico to take more migrants
@coffeebreakcigarette7517
@coffeebreakcigarette7517 3 месяца назад
Italian here. She doesn't represent the overwhelming majority of Italians.
@pikapi6993
@pikapi6993 3 месяца назад
we know, because you voted for Meloni, but she does represent the overwhelming majority of people who work for NGOs. These organizations are playing a huge part, because they try to bring as many migrants to Europe as possible. They even work with criminals or lie to the governemtn to do this.
@hoti47
@hoti47 3 месяца назад
​@@pikapi6993ngo are run by the people with funny hats
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Which evidence do you have for this claim?
@hoti47
@hoti47 3 месяца назад
@enentr try common sense. Most of the italians voted for the conversvative coalition.
@coffeebreakcigarette7517
@coffeebreakcigarette7517 3 месяца назад
@@enentr hoti47 replied before me. Also, I have been 28 years, born and raised here.
@Shroomboy81
@Shroomboy81 3 месяца назад
The black lady at around 13mins talks nonsense, She admits there's an Housing crisis but thinks more Migrants should be brought in. Where is the sense in that? If the People here already can't be homed how the Hell is there going to be Homes for new ones?
@NeygarzruinedAmerica
@NeygarzruinedAmerica 3 месяца назад
She isn't European now matter how desperately she wishes to be
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Yes she is. Please refrain from writing racist comments here.
@Lena-cz6re
@Lena-cz6re 3 месяца назад
Nice try 🤣🤣 shame that nobody in Europe is falling for this anymore
@yannicksourbron1227
@yannicksourbron1227 3 месяца назад
we dont own anybody anything on this continent.
@JaELGo
@JaELGo 2 месяца назад
that position is surprisingly communist
@geoffoakland
@geoffoakland 3 месяца назад
If Europe needs workers to fill labor gaps and pay into the social security system, there are millions of ethnic Italians and Germans in South America, descendants of immigrants who left these countries many decades ago. Germany and Italy should recruit and encourage these people to come over. This way they get the workers they 'need' while preserving their culture. I saw a report where a hospital in Sicily was about to close, so they brought over doctors from Argentina (ethnicly Italian) and now the hospital was able to stay open. It was in a small town, so a very positive outcome. Europeans, dont feel guilty for wanting to preserve your country and culture.
@Fab807
@Fab807 3 месяца назад
This woman has no understanding of reality. We are dealing with a safety crisis, who is also destroying the French welfare system.
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Giulia is speaking from her experience of working in an NGO. Are you from France? How much do refugees or asylum seekers get in welfare payments in your country?
@SnowWhiteArches
@SnowWhiteArches 3 месяца назад
what is an African doing there? it should be a talk between Europeans.
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
All the people in the video are Europeans, the two participants and the MEPs.
@pscholachagudda__
@pscholachagudda__ 3 месяца назад
​​@@enentrit means they came as refugee but didn't return? Oh nice assylum Maybe in 2200 80% Africa in Europe Under African culture End of white europe
@limao6880
@limao6880 3 месяца назад
too much sun in Belgium
@GermanAtheist89
@GermanAtheist89 3 месяца назад
@@enentr Europeans arre White
@michaeljosephjackson2364
@michaeljosephjackson2364 3 месяца назад
Yup Better invite a gypsy
@mfitzy100
@mfitzy100 3 месяца назад
We owe these scammers NOTHING
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Not everybody is a scammer, please don't generalise here and be respectful, thank you.
@Stinanordland
@Stinanordland 3 месяца назад
Brillant student from Germany 🇩🇪 ❤️
@neoinitiative
@neoinitiative 3 месяца назад
You mean is the EU failing its own? Answer being YES!!!
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
What do you think the EU should do differently?
@h4rdi7g3
@h4rdi7g3 3 месяца назад
​@@enentrnot let a single migrant in And deport every single one that's already here
@Buzz_Mustermann
@Buzz_Mustermann 3 месяца назад
In Germany this dude would be called a "Na$i", maybr would even lose his job and would be thrown out of the most restaurants. Stay strong my dude
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Who do you mean? The Participant? He is from Germany and is also engaged in local politics there.
@MiMi-kk4qm
@MiMi-kk4qm 3 месяца назад
Fr my father is not racist at all. I the past he always said that we schon help pp in need and now he is disappointed. Now they probably call my father naz* too lol
@MiMi-kk4qm
@MiMi-kk4qm 3 месяца назад
In*
@MiMi-kk4qm
@MiMi-kk4qm 3 месяца назад
Should
@pinktfatrabbit
@pinktfatrabbit 3 месяца назад
It would be much better if the money was used to support countries outside of Europe. Why do you think? Because with the money that one person costs in Europe, you could help many more people in need if they stayed in poorer but safer countries. From a purely economic point of view, this makes more sense.
@cultureclique2173
@cultureclique2173 3 месяца назад
The Italian girl lives in the clouds.
@RFE-jl6lo
@RFE-jl6lo 3 месяца назад
The EU shouldn't be responsible for the success of migrants outside of it. That's why we created the Union so we could travel and trade within it's borders and support each state.
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
What should the EU do to help people fleeing war and famine?
@h4rdi7g3
@h4rdi7g3 3 месяца назад
​@@enentrstart a charity
@NeygarzruinedAmerica
@NeygarzruinedAmerica 3 месяца назад
​@@enentrSend them back
@tirana625
@tirana625 3 месяца назад
The problem that noone wanta to talk about why not invest in these countries directly instead of making people move out of their countries where is the problem with that ??
@Never-ending_
@Never-ending_ 3 месяца назад
Because if you move industry there and make some profits in Africa, 100 years from now they will demand 10% compounded interest on whatever you made there.
@NeygarzruinedAmerica
@NeygarzruinedAmerica 3 месяца назад
Trust me I am someone who's parents come form 3rd world country. They will not stop. Doesn't matter how much you invest.
@zomgoose
@zomgoose 3 месяца назад
Because the politicians and their business cronies want to profit from mass immigration.
@marvin2678
@marvin2678 19 дней назад
​@@NeygarzruinedAmericaso the solution ?
@Never-ending_
@Never-ending_ 3 месяца назад
The Italian woman was contradicting herself tf. I'm sorry the guy had to be politically correct. He could have destroyed her arguments every 2 seconds...
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Where did you see a contradiction in Giulia's statements?
@samoliver9426
@samoliver9426 3 месяца назад
People like her are the problem.
@sp-niemand
@sp-niemand 3 месяца назад
Every time Julia is asked for solutions for the problem, she never gives any specific answers, as opposed to her counterpart. Only "well, you are politicians, you work it out".
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Would do you think a solution could be? Should the EU countries work more together on this?
@sp-niemand
@sp-niemand 3 месяца назад
@@enentr Control intake. Stricter border control around EU, chances of asylum given reducing with the distance from EU border, but increasing with cultural proximity. Assimilate ppl already in. Enforced integration for everyone in the country already. If you didn't immigrate for work - forced to learn a local language, successfully finish an integration course, get a job. And yes, EU should be working together on this. But just saying "let's work together" is not a solution in itself.
@leo-db5do
@leo-db5do 3 месяца назад
"Is the EU failing migrants" 😂😂😂
@vh3437
@vh3437 2 месяца назад
Easy to defend migration when your job depends on it. I would love to know who funds these NGOs. Even a blind person can see the negative impact of illegal imigration in Europe.
@germancamacho3944
@germancamacho3944 2 месяца назад
The woman in white blouse seems to be a bleeding heart
@janknaack8799
@janknaack8799 3 месяца назад
Look at demographics in the EU and Africa
@NeygarzruinedAmerica
@NeygarzruinedAmerica 3 месяца назад
Who cares. Doesn't mean they should import filth. Plenty of Asians they can import
@fbarenysfb
@fbarenysfb 3 месяца назад
Thanks Giulia for bringing a coherent and human-rights based prespective and solution for the problems Europe is facing in regard of migrants. Thanks
@raquetdude
@raquetdude 3 месяца назад
Please do a video on austerity… whatever social or economic policies are enacted by the EU they would be limited by the economic policy (it’s currently pro austerity).
@GeorgiaMartin-ll9qg
@GeorgiaMartin-ll9qg 2 месяца назад
These people are assuming that Europeans are required to take anyone who comes to our shores. Europe is not just a land mass. We have cultures to protect.
@JaELGo
@JaELGo 2 месяца назад
The simple fix for funding issues? Fairly tax the rich! If billionaires paid the same 32% in taxes, Europe could easily house, educate, and support migrants. But the 1% don't want this truth out, so they fight it hard. Despite rising GDPs and Europe becoming a massive market, most people haven't seen their lives improve. The real culprit? Growing wealth disparity, both in Europe and worldwide.
@marcusvinicius7510
@marcusvinicius7510 3 месяца назад
A italiana perdeu total a noção das coisas.
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
What do you disagree with? She is speaking from her experience working for an NGO
@NeygarzruinedAmerica
@NeygarzruinedAmerica 3 месяца назад
Women are the problem. You will rarely see men advocate for the destruction of their home state
@ellebelle2507
@ellebelle2507 3 месяца назад
I am half German and probably disconnected as I do not live there, but it seriously does my head in the obsession with qualifications in Germany! Yes you need skilled workers. But there are also lots of other types of jobs, especially that have huge need skilled and less skilled. The system is very rigid in Germany (unlike for example USA or UK) which means that you need to be specifically educated in what you work in.. This has advantages in getting highly educated people in positions, but the disadvantage that the system seriously lacks flexibility and room for change. For example even with my UK degree in the ARTs , I would likely not be able to get a good job without a masters and I would not be able to work in the fields I worked in in the UK. I think the system in Germany creates a very limited perception of things and not very interdisciplinary...:-/ Even my mother who IS GERMAN Was not able to return to Germany because with her qualifications (unviersity degree) she could not get a decent job there. So I cannot imagine what it would be like for any migrant who may be less qualified. I do not agree fully with the German guy. Yes they need to be able to integrate and communicate but what about - labour work - practical work - art /crafts work Does NOT require a particular degree etc.. the issue is in Germany often it does so you cannot create an EU system if there are different labour/work requirements in each country.
@greguretzky3749
@greguretzky3749 3 месяца назад
I believe that immigration is valuable, but it must be legal. Illegal immigration is problematic on many levels. The Western world should reconsider sending aid money without ensuring genuine progress. While the intention to help is good, merely sending money isn't a solution. People from these countries are resilient; if they can journey to Europe, they can work hard and succeed in their own countries. Instead of financial aid, the EU should focus on providing knowledge and economic partnerships. Illegal immigration should be firmly discouraged.
@roody71h
@roody71h 3 месяца назад
Finally, someone who actually sees things as they are
@ibvlogsshorts
@ibvlogsshorts 3 месяца назад
The Belgian Politician was the joke 😂
@iancredible-
@iancredible- 3 месяца назад
Maybe she should go to love in one of the countries she's advocating to import them from.
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
She is not advocating to "import" anyone from anywhere. Please be respectful towards the people in the video here, even if you disagree with their opinions.
@iancredible-
@iancredible- 3 месяца назад
@@enentr No, she is actively wanting to bring in illegals, she should go to their nations and live there, experience their culture and then she can invite them to her own damn house.
@MilenaBlazanovic-oq2iy
@MilenaBlazanovic-oq2iy 3 месяца назад
It's not "sharing responsibility" because imigrants from third world countries are not my responsibility in any means. I am from Eastern Europe, my country never had any colonies anywhere, we never had slaves, I don't owe anything to Africa
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Do you feel that Europe should help people who need it?
@MilenaBlazanovic-oq2iy
@MilenaBlazanovic-oq2iy 3 месяца назад
@@enentr We were helping them for decades, enormous amounts of money from the western countries including Europe have been sent to Africa in the last 50 years. We already took huge amounts of imigrants that only make problems for us, no I don't think Europe should continue to help others because we have our own people in need, we have our own problems, enough with forcing EU citizens with this hippie woke ideologies! Europe can't and shouldn't take care of all the people from the third world countries, they should work on building their own societies to be better and liveable like our ancestors did for hundreds of years so we can have society as we have now. It's not that we have been "born privileged" it's that our ancestors were responsible.
@mirthy8219
@mirthy8219 3 месяца назад
​@@enentrwhat help are you talking about and how many people yearly we should help?
@stemill1569
@stemill1569 3 месяца назад
it's easy to answer the question. AfD or anyone else? talk to the voters and people vote AfD because of "too many migrants". Most people who are thinking like our NGO worker here are living in separated districts were no migrants could ever afford to live. So they see a complete different group of migrants than those who live in the poorer quarters. And our NGO worker here. Is someone who doesn't have to earn money. She lives off of taxes or donations. Nothing she does is work. Either she does it or not. Someone like that has not much understanding about what it feels when working 8 hours every day and getting half the money taken away. And no one of those working people runs around like she does. Good there is no corruption in NGOs. It doesn't matter what we think. What matters is that big groups of people are already thinking that it's too much. And most the times it's those who face them daily and not just when they pose for instagram pictures. The NGO worker here is demanding a racist EU parliament.
@GeorgiaMartin-ll9qg
@GeorgiaMartin-ll9qg 2 месяца назад
These people are assuming that people should have to take people into their society. Europe is not just a land mass. We have cultures to protect.
@emma_emma2729
@emma_emma2729 3 месяца назад
Import more people 😅 thanks for your honesty Belgian politician guy.
@worldview9332
@worldview9332 3 месяца назад
Allove peace community to face your karma
@samuellichtspiel9637
@samuellichtspiel9637 3 месяца назад
@10:15 If they are not given access, that shows that they are not necessary.
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Do you think that migrants shouldn't be allowed to work? What is the alternative?
@raquetdude
@raquetdude 3 месяца назад
Seems quite productive, neither side seems populistic. Specialists from different sectors having a discussion and politicians asking questions. Would the full discussions be uploaded anywhere?
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
We won't upload another version of this discussion, but if you're interested there's another "Flipping the Script" episode already online! It's about the question "Should Europe be preparing for war?" Also, a third episode will be uploaded soon :)
@GeorgiaMartin-ll9qg
@GeorgiaMartin-ll9qg 2 месяца назад
The Italian woman doesn’t represent the majority of Italian women, like myself!
@davidecappelli9961
@davidecappelli9961 3 месяца назад
I don’t see right wing MEP’s asking questions. Why?
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
This is not true, if you go to 09:36 you can see a question by Tom Vandendriessche from Belgium, who is part of the right wing Identity and Democracy Group in the parliament.
@i.c.9343
@i.c.9343 3 месяца назад
"So you would import not european migrants?" "Noooo i dont like the world import" 😅😂😂😂😂 This is a completely joke
@esdet105
@esdet105 3 месяца назад
They're welcome if they continue our culture. That's all.
@eyvindr.
@eyvindr. 3 месяца назад
Culture and language always change. What is important is to ensure the survival and future of ethnic Europeans.
@christucker8174
@christucker8174 3 месяца назад
That will never happen but ok
@esdet105
@esdet105 3 месяца назад
@@eyvindr. I'm not sure how that will go about. I'm confident repatriation - Denmark style - will help. Migrants should seek out countries that rhyme with their own cultural backgrounds. I don't want them, I don't have to want them and especially Muslims are difficult to assimilate. I think there's multiculturalism, exactly because they don't want to integrate.
@eyvindr.
@eyvindr. 3 месяца назад
@@esdet105 yes it is all about numbers. A small group of a couple of thousands wont affect the society much. However when we have tens of thousands, and more there will be parallel societies. We are already at that point.
@eisernherz3929
@eisernherz3929 3 месяца назад
ppl are trying since decades but mental poverty made germans systematicaly discriminate different looking ppl starting from the school system
@tinaf1739
@tinaf1739 3 месяца назад
A question is never answered or asked.🤑 Who is going to pay for all of this🤑?????Because if people (in the country where they are fleeing) have more and more taxes deducted from their wages, they can no longer make a living from their work.🙈🙉🙊???????????????????P.s 🤦‍♀Because there is no work that you can make a living from in the country (please don't keep lying about that)😡
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Which country are you referring to? There have been many studies about the economic impact of immigration and many show immigrants can make a financial contribution to their new country. You could check out this source from the EU for example: migrant-integration.ec.europa.eu/library-document/projecting-net-fiscal-impact-immigration-eu_en
@nickal2018
@nickal2018 2 месяца назад
very good debate.
@enentr
@enentr 2 месяца назад
We're glad that you enjoyed it! Which arguments convinced you the most?
@arseniytikhonov2283
@arseniytikhonov2283 3 месяца назад
German accent is sooooo cool!💪
@GeorgiaMartin-ll9qg
@GeorgiaMartin-ll9qg 2 месяца назад
Two people with (more or less) the same opinion. Where’s the debate???
@jamestruter6382
@jamestruter6382 3 месяца назад
Men - logical argument Women - emotional argument
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
On what basis are you writing this? What are you referring to?
@NeygarzruinedAmerica
@NeygarzruinedAmerica 3 месяца назад
That's the problem. That's europes biggest problem the women
@VictorPanainte
@VictorPanainte 3 месяца назад
My God i love this Debates
@adrianceasar5620
@adrianceasar5620 3 месяца назад
the answer is yes simple
@uomolercio
@uomolercio 22 дня назад
Ci mancava l'iniziata massonica schiavista a darci lezioni di "civiltà"
@nelly85ful
@nelly85ful 3 месяца назад
Why all this talking and no ideas of how to do this? Where are the proposals? -Get a trades list -split the people up into different groups and get a skilled trades person to then teach these people a trade job, while learning the language of the country, send a translator to each group. -send someone from the immigration department to document them, finger prints, photos, and get them temporary Trade ID from this program. Each month, send an inspector to get a progress report. This will then get them at least a job in the trade sector once they graduate from this program. Everyone should put forth a proposal and which ever proposal gets the most votes should be implemented.
@denkendannhandeln
@denkendannhandeln 3 месяца назад
How do you want to teach a person anything, who never went to school? They are unable to sit still for 30 minutes, they can concentrate an hour daily maximum. Look, normal Europeans spend on average 60.000 hours at school. There is no way to catch this up as an adult.
@nochipsonlycrisps8639
@nochipsonlycrisps8639 3 месяца назад
Certain trades will become ethnically centered and then that trade will be scapegoated and politicized by incompetent politicians. Like chinese bankers in pre 1900 Siam and modern day Malaysia, Indian tailors in Idi Amins Uganda, Indian vendors in durban south africa, Thai domestic workers in Japan or fillipino domestic workers in Singapore.
@denkendannhandeln
@denkendannhandeln 3 месяца назад
@@nochipsonlycrisps8639 It is the immigrants decision if the want to remain in acient family and clan structures. And it is a sign of illiberal peer pressure amongst this groups. Or do you really think all Philippine woman have by pure coincidence a higher interest in cooking and cleaning? Pakistani parents in GB pressure their children to become medics, and most of them hate it. Illiberal cultures can not exist amongst free and democratic societies. Primitivism can not exist amongst civilization.
@TheoCapteijn-kh8nj
@TheoCapteijn-kh8nj 2 месяца назад
The Italian young lady has no clue.
@peternap82
@peternap82 3 месяца назад
More immigration is needed because we have to much debt to pay. Less people/more debt -> do the math. Furthermore, we can't teach a chicken to pie because they can't. But we are trying to integrate a certain group of people that do not fit the western way of thinking (I saw the same issue in Canada).
@ingridlinda-215
@ingridlinda-215 3 месяца назад
Is is all the govermmemts to blaam wats happening in the world
@BC_Bln
@BC_Bln 2 месяца назад
Kudos to the refugee politician from the Netherlands. She pointed out the right issue.
@PhilShnider
@PhilShnider 3 месяца назад
Radical left
@angietowey
@angietowey 3 месяца назад
Yes totally no more
@citpelocitycit7663
@citpelocitycit7663 3 месяца назад
If there is no natinoal answer 😂😂😂look at netherlands what can happend if you do to much Migration 😢 german will change 2 😢i think the people are really fed up here ,the tensions are going bigger
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Do you think there should be more efforts at the European level, not national level?
@citpelocitycit7663
@citpelocitycit7663 3 месяца назад
@@enentr if EU will not act fast its over. People are angry and will follow netherland.....big Part of All that is the press....press stopt be neutral you sell ideoligie not news... if you Cover the Problem you stopt looking for solution
@citpelocitycit7663
@citpelocitycit7663 3 месяца назад
With the term human Ressourcen called hr nobody has a problem 😂😂😂 we are not a Ressourcen butvwr are treated like that
@Patronisingpaddy101
@Patronisingpaddy101 3 месяца назад
This is nonsense
@citpelocitycit7663
@citpelocitycit7663 3 месяца назад
The Problem is that Migranten put in weak places were people Surfer than put Migranten in is making tensions 😂😂😂😂i dont see Migranten people put in rich areas were rich live 😂😂😂😂😂
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
What do you think that would change?
@nochipsonlycrisps8639
@nochipsonlycrisps8639 3 месяца назад
Both of them are wrong. The anti immigration guy just outright dehumanizes them completely meanwhile the pro immigration lady just doesn't address lingual gaps,ethno or religious centrism in the immigrant communities. I cant believe its a rare opinion but we need a middle ground. The right wingers need to understand economy, society and ethnicity meanwhile the left wing needs to understand that infantilizing and just saying yes to all their demands will be dangerous for them. Another thing is that the debate is constrained by the current human reality of mortality. Religion and ethnicity is sooo permanent in the average mortal mind but just zoom out and you'll realize these 2 things are sooo fickle. People meet and fall in love and fall out of it just the same as people hate and dont hate. I know these sentiments cant be statistically noted down and hence are rendered irrellevant BUT we are all human aren't we???
@jarnomon1
@jarnomon1 3 месяца назад
It's hard to have a humanistic view on issues when the vast majority of politicians come from academic sectors that usually do not derive their practices from human behaviour and rational. Lawyers and financial advisors, it turns out, are not the best educations to create sensible policy. Instead it leads to people like Lukas, basing their entire arguments on e.g. crime statistics without acknowledging the inhumane treatment we have put these offenders through before they decided to turn away from law obedience.
@nochipsonlycrisps8639
@nochipsonlycrisps8639 3 месяца назад
@@jarnomon1 true
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
@nochipsonlycrisps8639 Thanks for sharing your opinion! Do you think this middle ground can be found on an EU level? Are there any specific steps you would like to see the EU take in terms of migration policy?
@nochipsonlycrisps8639
@nochipsonlycrisps8639 3 месяца назад
@@enentrI was touring in singapore and stumble across a hawker center and saw an ethnically chinese man order "protha". It was served to him with sugar and condensed milk. Paratha is an Indian flatbread and the style of making was malaysian in the use of sugar and condensed milk. I went to America to meet certain relatives of mine and realized my cousin had nothing Indian or Thai to him barring his name. He is a 2nd gen immigrant from singapore to America. If singapore and America can do it, most countries in the Schengen can. It will take time and effort but it will happen.
@Lena-cz6re
@Lena-cz6re 3 месяца назад
the problem is that people like you consider literally not treating someone like a little baby to be a form of dehumanization. As a single woman I have no need to baby some old blokes who won't integrate
@eisernherz3929
@eisernherz3929 3 месяца назад
weird
@louisfernandes2996
@louisfernandes2996 3 месяца назад
😷 😷 😷 😷 Face covering ??? ????
@doshpits
@doshpits 3 месяца назад
tell the west to stop interfering with other countries politics and people wont come. rather simple. you wont do that though lol
@gehscheissnböhmermann
@gehscheissnböhmermann 3 месяца назад
Big BS! 🤦‍♂️
@Camille_Anderson
@Camille_Anderson 3 месяца назад
Tired old excuse. The West has given the world far more than they give us. We give trillions in aid and charity. We provide infrastructure and engineering, science and technology. We don't need to be flooded with unskilled military age males.
@valm9462
@valm9462 3 месяца назад
A reminder that soviets made entire populations literate in a system that didn't count money to measure "success". one of the not measurable things are things like these. people need ot be educated for the better f socity second of all if not for imperialism (capitalism is part of it) these people would not have their home countries economies sucked dry like that. we need to stop capitalism to stop immigration. capitalism concentrates wealth to the 0.01% which is naturally in the imperial core so they just follow the money which means survival in this horrible system.
@Beastbrush
@Beastbrush 3 месяца назад
Countries should also support the workflow better instead of crying they don’t have enough workers for an specific workplace, why would Johnny work in the construction zone if Johnny can make double from just being an TikTok star. why would Sarah want to be an doctor if working in only fans is less stressful. Schools are doing also an horrible job on teaching more important things, it’s all about you need an high education diplomacy or you’ll won’t be much in life.
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Was it the same in your school and what would you have liked to learn instead?
@Beastbrush
@Beastbrush 3 месяца назад
@@enentr When I was at school it thought me that solving a problem can only be done by one way but when I proved that solving the problem had multiple ways they punished me for not using the right way. Because it was an catholic school it taught me religion which I founded a waste of my time for I'm not an religious person. Personally schools should focus on how to deal with problems inside an society instead telling us that gaining an diplomacy is the only way in life while I succeeded to get one many jobs with my studies couldn't accept me for having no space while my job now I never needed an diplomacy but I make enough to be healthy, fed well, owning an home and stuff & the job I do is working in the trash making sure the streets are clean & recycling the incoming trash to lower the factories production costs.
@bigdata9605
@bigdata9605 3 месяца назад
The Belgian guy should be reminded of what his forefathers did in the Congo.
@NeygarzruinedAmerica
@NeygarzruinedAmerica 3 месяца назад
Nobody cares
@elmerkarlsson5005
@elmerkarlsson5005 3 месяца назад
Very interesting debate, although I wish that there was more vision on the pro migration side. I live in northern Sweden and it’s really empty here. We could use a lot more migrants to help the local economy and reach a higher potential as a society. So if no one else wants them, send them here!
@user-bv3qt2jt2v
@user-bv3qt2jt2v 3 месяца назад
are blind to reality?
@jarnomon1
@jarnomon1 3 месяца назад
The logic should be pretty simple: If you have spare capacity in the immigration system, increase immigration(if it makes sense to do so, see economic needs and humanitarian duties) If the flow of immigrants is sufficient to satisfy those aspects but immigration is failing, increase the opportunities for immigration. Merkel in Germany 2015 for example. She acted with compassion to a humanitarian crisis. But instead of just issuing refugee status to millions, she simultaneously drastically pushed for integration centers and the result is that today, many of those that came into the country back then are now fully integrated or have returned to their countries of origin due to Improving security and stability. The mistake germany did and to an extent the EU as a whole was to shut these facilities back down and build them back completely. The next crisis In the continents surrounding the EU was always gonna come. Now we have to start that whole build up process again, with the difference that today's political landscape has shifted to the right and even less polarising parties such as Merkels CDU are now adopting the irrational anti immigration stance of the extreme right.
@user-bv3qt2jt2v
@user-bv3qt2jt2v 3 месяца назад
@@jarnomon1 no. crappy people should stay in their crappy country
@danielgospodinov5786
@danielgospodinov5786 3 месяца назад
I am a European. My country have a zero capacity for migrants and zero migrants. My resources are not theirs. I don't have any responsibilities to the migrants. Some societies are giving money, my not😀
@eyvindr.
@eyvindr. 3 месяца назад
Naivity at its finest. Because of people like you, Ethnic Swedes feel alien in their own homeland, and is not having a secure future.
@user-sl1ms2og6g
@user-sl1ms2og6g 3 месяца назад
Our HongKong was controlled by China, they robbed our found from several trillion HongKong dollars to now several dozen’s million now, we worry about that someday, our insurance we paid will fail to reward, even lost the initial amount of the found like they did and doing in China
@thaismile2205
@thaismile2205 3 месяца назад
NGO that is the problem total s-----m
@hoti47
@hoti47 3 месяца назад
Ngo are run by the people with funny hats.
@fabriziomazzoni4075
@fabriziomazzoni4075 3 месяца назад
She need a doctor
@Zadako666
@Zadako666 3 месяца назад
They call themseves students but still they cant define who a migrant is! Did they mean refugees? Did they mean skilles labours who migrate? Or students? The topic is very vague!
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Thank you for your feedback. We choose to leave the topic open as we did not want to single out one type of migration. Giulia and Lukas mostly discuss the arrival of refugees and asylum seekers in Europe.
@JDxZ7
@JDxZ7 3 месяца назад
As much as I love being a European I must laugh about the naive mindset. I also have my roots in the Middle East and I wish Europeans would dig deeper into the Religion which is highly influencing the behavior as results from their values. It will explain where the extreme violence and entitlement comes from and what their long term goals are. I wish Europeans would start to do their homework because this is a heavy matter. There is a difference when you try your integrate let’s say Vietnamese who have values of harmony and hard people or if you try to integrate Muslims with completely opposite values. As long as we have this academic laziness we will never understand why our efforts and hopes to integrate or at least civilize them are shattered.
@enentr
@enentr 3 месяца назад
Thank you for sharing your views with us, but please be respectful here. You are talking about other human beings, and talking about "civilizing" them and implying that none of them want harmony is inappropriate and discriminatory.
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