Is the HoTone Ampero Stomp the Best Cheap Modeler?

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@poliboneless4658 6 месяцев назад

I bought the Hotone Ampero stomp last November at Black Friday for 300€ and it was the biggest deal of my life. I also bought the dual footswitch and I use It as an Up patch or down patch with the ampero always in stomp mode. My first patch is a clean sound with the three switches with a drive, delay and reverb control, second patch with overdrive, third patch with distortion and last patch with lead tone. Using all of that I can use every tone option I need for gigging and It is amazing how simple and easy It is to get great tones. Personally I dont have that tunner issue. I recomend the Hotone Ampero Stomp 100% and I wish that John Will keep doing videos of this moddeler because It is GREAT. Thank you for reading this commet ❤

@JackJD 5 месяцев назад

When switching between presets, is it an immediate thing or does it have that classic millisecond gap between the presets? I am considering getting one

@poliboneless4658 3 месяца назад

@@JackJD It is inmmediate. If there is something there, I dont hear It.

@MrBlank0907 6 месяцев назад

I’ve been using the ampero stuff for years now, I personally think it sounds substantially better than the Boss stuff. Just wish the Ampero had a few less bugs

@theashleft 6 месяцев назад

bugs like what? Cause I'm planning to buy one myself.

@Izya__ 6 месяцев назад

@@theashleft John says about it

@DarioCozzi 6 месяцев назад

USE A MIDI FOOTSWITCH!!! I agree with other commenters. The Valeton GP200LT has in my opinion the exact same amp model sounds as the Ampero. I A/B tested and couldn’t tell the difference and it’s half the price. If you use a midi switch there is zero patch changing issues. Super underrated

@filtermat 6 месяцев назад

Exactly! I’m astonished that he didn’t think or suggest a solution like this… M WAVE chocolate is one of the most used

@davidruckart6059 6 месяцев назад

I currently have an ampero stomp i use in worship at church. I use a trainwreck style setting warm and chimey modified to my liking. Just got the Ampero stage,Tried it at prayer meeting last night, got to work out some things before I use it again.Sounds good at home,but through the pa which is a digital mixer Prosonus board, heed to get my levels right.I use inears, there is the house mix and live stream or internet mix as well.

@EdoLeonardi 6 месяцев назад

I have Ampero MP100 and love it. Specially with your IR

@davidsummerville351 6 месяцев назад

Great looping! Do some episodes with your looping techniques. Love today's intro.

@joeromero7165 6 месяцев назад

I've been a HX Stomp user for a while. Decided to buy the hotone Ampero Mini for $200 USD as a potential amp modeler only (I would integrate with my board of drive pedals and wet Fx). And I have to say the quality of the amp sims have far exceeded my expectations. Especially for the high gain metal tones. Effects seem like an afterthought to me - still usable, but overall I didn't buy for FX. I've tried a few cheap modelers: NUX, Mooer, JOYO, and by far the Hotone was the most inspiring. Very intuitive UI as well.

@leryalamar 6 месяцев назад

Hi John your videos regarding the ampero stomp convinced me to get one.I have the unit for quite a while now and it serves me well. In terms of having scenes and seamless switching , using a midi controller would be a decent work around for this issue. Calling patches via midi would lessen the bleeps and hiccup by a few but significant ms (to my ears).

@ernestorodriguez6097 6 месяцев назад

I own one of these Ampero II Stomp. For me, and my personal uses of it, is just ideal. Here in Mexico it's price is about the same as the HX Stomp, which doesn't quite put it in the same territory as the Valeton or the Mooer stuff (that revolves on about half the price over here). I use the Ampero mainly as a fly-rig substitute for my Deluxe Reverb, and get my effects from individual pedals. Not a single time have I been disappointed by it. Anyways, I never change presets or many effects on it while playing live, so I don't really care about the bugs. When compared to the HX Stomp, I much prefer the Ampero's option of having separately the options for the preamp and power amp, which allow to create very touch-responsive and natural-sounding amp presets. Also, having Celestion IRs right away from factory is another great point to consider. So, yeah, arguably one of the best inexpensive-ish modelers out there.

@jialewan2367 6 месяцев назад

love to see how you dial up the new amp models

@keithc6800 6 месяцев назад

I have had a Fractal AX8 and I have a Line 6 Stomp. I purchased the Ampero Stomp based on sounds I heard on the You Tube reviews. It didn't disappoint. I find that the Ampero Stomp has fantastic sounds right out of the box and I find it very easy to create fantastic presets myself. It does has it's shortcomings though. I bought an Ampero Control and discovered that it doesn't work properly with the Ampero Stomp (switching wrong sounds and banks and generally unreliable switching). I reported this to Ampero Support and got nil response. (Note that the Ampero Control works fine with the Line 6 Stomp). I can't understand why Ampero keep releasing new products when their existing ones have bugs that they don't appear to be addressing.

@hartlee1160 6 месяцев назад

Im putting a pod go in the effects loop of either hx or ampero stomp. I'm wanna know which one has better pre amp and amp sounds? I'm torn on which to get yeah

@keithc6800 6 месяцев назад

I've also had a PodGo. It's a great pedal and more or less a Line 6 Stomp just has limitations. All I can say is that the sounds of the Ampero Stomp seem just so much better and more easily achieved than the Line 6 family. Line 6 products have so much more depth and available adjustments but the Ampero just sounds so good. Personally I would probably use the Ampero Stomp as the amp with or without cab and use the Line 6 as the effects machine in the Ampero fx loop. But that's just my opinion

@Jagermeistery 6 месяцев назад

After all of this, these and those... I will never let my Hx Stomp go. Just sold all of my Helix, Lt, Kemper, Neural, gx100, Pod go. Once you go stomp, never go back. Now my setup : Strandberg Boden Nx6 Std + Hx Stomp So light and simple, i feel flying...

@Sea_Jay 6 месяцев назад

"Mo Ho's Mo Problems". OMG! Lol I think the problem is that this unit isn't much cheaper than the HX Stomp. I got my HX Stomp "used" but in new condition for $100 cheaper than the Hotone. It was a no brainer to go the HX route.

@cyrilcrn 6 месяцев назад

Hi, I really thought about getting the Ampero Stomp but I ended going for the NUX MG-30, one of the cheaper modellers you've reviewed on your channel. It looked easier to get good tones without a computer and as you showed, it does a LOT for 250-280€ (amps, effects, looper, tuner, IR loader, drums, etc). They've updated it since its release and added scenes, amps and effects (off the top of my head, a Princeton, a Bassman, a Soldano, an EVH and a Plexi, an enveloppe and some fuzz pedals). There's a lot of cheap gear that's pretty impressive tbh, thanks for demoing all that stuff. You're very thorough 👍

@rogerwilliams2629 6 месяцев назад

Same here. I keep watching to see if it blows anyone's mind like it has mine, lol, and I just see nothing lately. If something happens to my mg30 I would buy another the next day.

@cyrilcrn 6 месяцев назад

@@rogerwilliams2629 It's just insane what you get for the price of two or three pedals!

@rogerwilliams2629 6 месяцев назад

@@cyrilcrn So true. I run it stereo into two 2. X 12 amps (through their returns) and that is my A side of my ABY. The B side is my 2 x 12 Katana and I mix them. Ive done a ton of tweaking and changing of the presets and man, it's a monster rig I think I wish I had it during the 70s thru 90s when I played for a living

@santinhoww 6 месяцев назад

Yeah but those scenes doesnt change parameters, only on/off effects right?

@rogerwilliams2629 6 месяцев назад

@@santinhoww right. I used to use them, but I don't have all that many sounds I need. Handy if you need em

@shakespeariancopy3053 3 месяца назад

Looking forward to your review of the new Ampero stage 2😎

@Jonw8222 5 месяцев назад

Appreciate your insights on the Ampero. Before I found this channel, I thought that it sounded great but mainly for Marshall or higher gain stuff. For example in blind tests, I prefer this over a lot of the other big name options like Helix. However, your channel showed that it can sound great for that EJ thing.. or that jazz fusion bluesy thing. It sounds great when you play it. Appreciate your criticisms of it as well.. I wish Hotone would get in touch with you because I think you could be a great ambassador them, and also offer great feedback behind the scenes. If they could make it "giggable" (in your eyes) with a couple of well thought out updates.. it could literally become one of the best modellers out there. It'll never be an Axe-FX.. but bang for buck it could be one of those pedals that everyone wants to own. It already sort of is like that.. but these bugs are big turn offs for a serious musician. Also.. on the touch screen and computer software side, they are already one of the best options out there. I found it interesting that you mentioned the tones of the Fender modeller.. because I've had similar impressions where the sounds don't catch my ear in an exciting way. Overall, I think you are the most credible person when speaking of this floor unit.. when you speak of both the positives and negatives.

@justmefig4274 5 месяцев назад

ampero stage is coming, hopefully you can showcase it cause I wanna hear from you before I buy :D

@dobiqwolf 4 месяца назад

I bought this unit around september last year when there was a shortage of Helix and I needed a decent modeler urgently. I selected it mainly because of John's demo and the price. I have no regrets as I use it as my main practice tool. However I have some of the pedals found on the Ampero and I found that they have way more gain than the actual pedals.

@timohesselink5345 6 месяцев назад

After having owned Fractal and other stuff, I love the UI and Sounds of the Ampero STOMP and just ordered the Ampero STAGE (mainly because of the Scenes and the Mic Input). And just in case I will keep my HX Stomp (literally "in the loop" - mainly as replacement for the Meris Mercury X and LVX - unless G.A.S. strikes again at some point). Would love to know, how you would you setup a combination of the Hotone + HX. And of course I'm looking forward to any video about the Ampero Stage... In any case THANKS A LOT for your content 🤘🏼

@igorzavalnyi5341 6 месяцев назад

I think you'll have too much latency with that configuration. Hotone has about 6ms of roundtrip, and HX about 3. And if you put the HX stomp in the FX loop, you'll have even more total latency. And then you add the latency of the mixer, the wireless systems, etc. and it may become very obvious when playing live.

@hartlee1160 6 месяцев назад

I cant decide between between the ampero or the hx stomp.. either git the edge on the other you think?

@grahammcguitar2715 6 месяцев назад

Boss need to strip back the GX-100 and bring out a GX-1 to replace the GT-1 at this point 3 foot switches / balanced TRS outs / Exp jack / CTRL 4/5 jack Stick it out at £300 and watch it fly. They are surely well placed to deliver a good value alternative (if not quite as fully featured) to the HX Stomp

@DylanODonnell 6 месяцев назад

Love mine. Great thriving community of free patch sharers too. The blips are annoying and would be so simple to reprogram by triggering change on footage release only.

@peterludlow9847 6 месяцев назад

I think the best budget fx pedal is the valeton gp200lt which is half the price of the hotone at £200 from Andertons. It's made by the hotone company and just had another update and for £200 you can't go wrong. It's very easy to use and think the screen format so much better to the eye then the hotone. The only downside is the guitar tuner not very accurate but hopefully that will be updated at some point. The hotone is in the hx stomp price range perhaps a comparison between them would be good. Honestly check the valeton gp200lt for £200.

@ErebosGR 6 месяцев назад

The equivalent of the GP-200LT is the Ampero One, not the Ampero II Stomp. Different price points.

@handyc77 6 месяцев назад

I love the Aaron Marshall. However I love my Reaper Elite even more. Schecters are SO underrated.

@NeilOLoughlin 6 месяцев назад

Just picked up the Ampero Stomp 2 for the second time. I moved it on a short while back and regretted it almost right away. The fact I am willing to repurchase to cover missing bits on the second board speaks volumes to me. It’s not perfect but its flaws are small enough not to get in the way.

@davidletterboyz 6 месяцев назад

What are the flaws?

@NeilOLoughlin 6 месяцев назад

@@davidletterboyz The Patch list is a ittle bit clunky. Moving things around or getting to Presets well down the list requires a lot of swiping or scrolling. It does not have a really good equvilant of scenes/snapshots that you get on QC or HX Stomp (HX still does this best I have seen), what it has is servicable but does require you to take to work withg it (this can be a plus in some cases I guess). It also does not have an in built freeze effect. These are pretty small niggles I feel. Given I picked the Stomp 2 up for just under £300 on reverb and It is basically helping me get a load of pedals (compressors, twin tracking, looper, auto Wah) off my board.

@dan_santana 4 месяца назад

I've been wanting to buy the HxStomp for a while, but, unfortunetly the price is too high for me here in Brazil where I live. So I decide to buy ampero 2, and I was impressed by the sound. Yes, there are some problems like that blip when you try to change the mode, or use the tuner, but, it was easy to get use to and adapt, so, by the half price of a HxStomp I've been able to achieve a good sound.

@johnplaystheguitar123 6 месяцев назад

I think the upcoming ampero stage may excite you. Looks like it will have scenes and a bunch of other stuff. They may update the stomp too when the new one is done.

@jesterraj 6 месяцев назад

The distortion sound smooth not harsh...nice...at least thru the daw dunno how it will sound into and amp.

@iamtorrego 6 месяцев назад

I mean, the Ampero 2 is cool, but I would like Cordy to have a look at the Ampero Stage. That one is really the competition to Stomp and others in the price range.

@brammanck 6 месяцев назад

To be honest, if i wanted new updates all the time helix or fractal is the way. But considering i use 3 anp setups with a couple of pedals i am good with the stomp. It responds well on pedals and sound great. If it was my 1 solution for all sound i would go for something else

@yikelu 6 месяцев назад

Probably wouldn't pick up the Stage at its current price tag. Maybe the Ampero 2 standard if I was new to modeling. Nothing wrong with the Ampero line from what I could hear in all the YT demos. Just for me, the HX Stomp XL is the best mouse trap I could ask for at the moment. It's damn near a single pedal solution for an entire rig. I augment it with a volwah, MIDI controller, and DD-200, but I don't *need* to. The other stuff is so I can have fancier dual amp rigs and more control. I can even run a full 4 snapshot clean-to-lead preset with a poly capo, reverb, delay, compressor (thank you Line 6 Badonk).

@ethagr8162 6 месяцев назад

This is actually the model or that I’m most interested in my question is how does it integrate with a looper switcher set up? I have a Boss MS three that I use currently and have questions on what exactly can be controlled with Midi b

@LegendarySnomann 6 месяцев назад

Hope you will check out the ampero stage 2, love the videos btw

@christian_oz 6 месяцев назад

It's worth noting that even though there is no XLR connector, the output is balanced, unlike for example the Boss IR 2.

@chiquinhohoogerdijk1337 Месяц назад

im thinking of buying the ampero stomp. but i need 2 external pedals in the fx chain. do you know if you can connect 2 pedals using trs to 2 ts cabbles to route 2 pedals in the fx loop? i see in the manual tha you can choose l in and r in separately.

@JakeZyrus69 4 месяца назад

Hi John. Hopefully you can review the the new Ampero II Stage

@johnnathancordy 4 месяца назад

Working on that!

@Benson.BereTV 3 месяца назад

@@johnnathancordy please john. Your the only one we can trust. And that, most people are torn between stage II and headrush core.

@kamilchosta5526 5 месяцев назад

Please review Ampero 2 Stage. It has 5 snapshots (called scenes), that makes it an interesting choice now.

@andrewdempsey5312 19 дней назад

Would really like to know your opinion on the Valeton GP200. You have dissuaded me from the Headrush MX5 and over to this Hotone 2 Stomp.

@devDarkest 5 месяцев назад

At $400, this unit is amazing. The biggest feature at the price point is the dual signal chain and Mono Summing. For me, this thing has the sound and feel 100% covered. Sure it is janky and buggy and everyone is now an expert but modelling this good sounding and more importantly feeling is a relatively new thing and The Ampero Stomp does it to perfection. Out of the box sounds are much better than my HX Stomp. The HX Stomp wins in effects and updates and the ceiling on sound quality is just a touch higher. But if you are like me, you want 5-10 patches that sound and feel like a tube amp, your basic effects like reverbs delay chorus drive etc, maybe some stereo seperation like the Kemper Space setting, and a metronome for practice, nobody does it better at this price.

@wijons522 6 месяцев назад

FYI, Valeton is from the same company Hotone. Very budget friendly. As for the scènes, the ampero 2 stage has scènes. New pedal.

@ErebosGR 6 месяцев назад

Hotone, Valeton and Sonicake are sister-brands. The equivalent models at each price point are not identical rebrands though. They have small differences in hardware (I/Os, buttons, knobs etc.) and software.

@alvarg 3 месяца назад

does the ampero suffer from the same input level gain issue the neural dsp does?

@gabrielrangel956 6 месяцев назад

After just recently getting an Ampero Stomp, the biggest problem is the pitch effects. They're mostly horrible, it's like a fifth to a quarter tone off, particularly on the harmonizers. The digital octave is usable but the rest is not

@davitavares6998 5 месяцев назад

One way I deal with that is reducing "Mix" values to 20-25. It sounds a bit more organic, and it fits better into the tone you want.

@akaerik1 6 месяцев назад

Do you think the feel and touch is similar to the boss stuff. I always wonder about how big a deal latency really is.

@Kirk1795 5 месяцев назад

Yeah actually better

@10smdjbtk 6 месяцев назад

It is understandable why Boss does not update their products like other manufacturers. Boss multi-effects pedals are high quality and multifunctional for the price. Moreover, they have a wide range of settings, so you can create the sound you like. In a sense, they are highly complete. For those reasons, I think it is a bit harsh to ask for frequent updates.

@johnplaystheguitar123 6 месяцев назад

I reckon worth while looking at a valeton gp200jr. Same modelling as ho tone. Or just wait for the new hotone stage.

@wileym 6 месяцев назад

It isn't a whole lot cheaper than my GX-100 was, as much as a Pod Go, and fewer features. I'd like to see how it stacks up against the Valeton GP-200 at 2/3 the price. You seem to be able to make all of them sound good anyway.

@devDarkest 5 месяцев назад

Neither of those three have a true dual effects chain. Best you get on the POD Go is a stereo reverb that is mid af. That starts at Helix and GT1000Core which are $600-700. Idk what you mean the Pod GO has more features when it is not even true stereo/mono summing which is the reason it's not even in the discussion for a mid tier modeler.

@wileym 5 месяцев назад

@@devDarkest The GX does have dual effect chains. IMHO, both also have more features than the Hotone. More footswitches, expression pedals, more knobs to twiddle etc. Other than that, they're all fairly comparable. I would place the Pod and the Hotone about equal and the GX a bit better. I haven't tried the Hotone for myself and nobody local carries them. I ended up buying a GX, largely based on these videos and then my own ears. The GX just seems to fit better. The Pod has more amp and effect options than the GX but so many are just slight variations about a theme and the Boss just sounds better. Canadian prices - Boss GX - $830; GT1000 Core - 770; Helix LT - $1660; Pod Go (std) $690; PG Wireless - 830; HX Stomp - 970; Hotone II Stomp - $573 (I recall it being almost $100 more at the time); Ampero Stage - $950. The Stage is almost comparable but IMHO, the GX100 beats them all.

@ChrisLoNgShAnK1990 6 месяцев назад

my main gripe with my Ampero is that most of the amps in it don't have a dynamic enough response to gain changes. No breakup, no saturation, just infinite clean headroom. Do I sell it and sacrifice all the fx and loop functions to get a more dynamic pedal like a Dream65? I'm torn.

@rshack4927 4 месяца назад

I've got no answer for you, but I think it's an excellent question. I wish somebody had chimed in with something useful to say about it, but no such luck.

@kaekayyy2554 6 месяцев назад

I've asked before but I'll do it again... Maybe John's bot might alert John to this. The valeton stuff is really cheap (in the 100s for the GP100) and is really popular as well... Maybe take a look at that range... Might be worth the effort since a lot of people will be buying up those modellers considering the price point.

@werner77wda Месяц назад

With this update from may 2024 a lot of the issues you’ve reported including scenes are already on board

@LukeJackandWill 5 месяцев назад

I honestly see this as an upgrade to an HX Stomp

@TheToneWork 6 месяцев назад

I have one sitting in a box right now, but it's probably going back. I think in many ways it's at least as good as a lot of other modelers, but the lack of scenes and some serious problems with support and updates from the company are why I'll probably pass on it.

@nexgenalmacen 6 месяцев назад

The August 2023 Firmware update Version 1.2.1 added 2 new drive models - Face Fuzz Ge - Based on Dunlop (Germanium transistor version), Fryman Dist - Based on a famous boutique UK-style hi-gain distortion pedal, 3 new delay models (1) Glitch Delay - Digital delay with glitch-y feedback, (2) Icy Delay - Special delay effect with pitch shifted audio slices, (3) Bloodless Delay - Dreamy delay with pitched shifted audio slices and stereo crossfeed. Also there was a "surprise" update 12/24/2023 Ver 1.3.0 with New Effects - 6 new amp/preamp models added to the AMP/PRE AMP module: (1) Petrus Clean/Crunch/Lead HQ - Based on Mesa/Boogie JP-2C amp head (2) Soloist 100 Clean/Crunch/Lead HQ - Based on Soldano SLO100* amp head 2. A new drive model added to the DRV module: Noble Drive - Based on Nobels ODR-1 overdrive pedal 3. A new delay model added to the DLY module: Digital Delay HQ - Based on the delay sound of a popular 11-mode delay/reverb pedal 4. Two new reverb models added to the RVB module: (1) 140 Plate HQ - Based on EMT 140 plate reverberator (2) Silver Linings - A special reverb creating a huge, lush reverb tone

@steveliberty 6 месяцев назад

I think Hotone amps/cabs/revbs/delays/modulations are all good sounding. Not only in the Stomp II, but even in the MINI. Where they fall down is in the pitch effects and the features needed for live play. The situation with Scenes, Parameter Control, and the MIDI Implementation all make this unit far less functional than Live 6 HXS. And the update cycles have been terrible with very disappointing "updates". Bugs and annoyances not fixed, Scenes not added, etc. They are really a mixed bag.

@jesterraj 6 месяцев назад

How bout the Valeton gp200 which is thr same parent company

@JackJD 5 месяцев назад

Will they ever implement snapshots? Man, those would change everything

@jhaceelabandero5611 5 месяцев назад

Great video again John.please check out hotone ampero mini..

@johnong2655 6 месяцев назад

Just get a Nux for the budget range

@jdwild1698 6 месяцев назад

Had a HoTone One little while back and was not impressed at all , best modeler or practice and home play , not so much giging to me are the NUX stuff . Inexpensive and really great tones and easy to create awesome sounds if you know how to use properly ❤️👍😎

@stephenwhitney5576 5 месяцев назад

Hey John I think there is a new update for this pedal

@johnnathancordy 5 месяцев назад

Ooh when was this?

@stephenwhitney5576 5 месяцев назад

@@johnnathancordyit was the end of the year. I thought there was another update. My bad John…. I do appreciate your channel… I’ve been watching for awhile. Trying to figure out gear for myself.

@chrisfit 6 месяцев назад

I’d like to know what you think about the Headrush Prime.

@janusn9 5 месяцев назад

Id look into the Ampero 2 Stage or the Headrush Core. The Prime is gigantic. Lol

@abdabtele 6 месяцев назад

Boss GT1 is the GOAT of cheap modelers.

@pineapple8407 6 месяцев назад

I’d also add the pocket GT in the running. It has wireless editing with app and footswitch with expression pedal support with the fs1.

@swardmusic 4 месяца назад

DigiTech rp500.

@marvinrichmondtv 6 месяцев назад

Sonicake matribox 1-2

@AllThingsTechSC 6 месяцев назад

Two Notes Opus is only $300

@user-xj5dj5lp3y 3 месяца назад

According to studio rats .its like plugin into a 10 year old unit

@mutantboy8888 6 месяцев назад

haha "ho" tone, lol...

@ErebosGR 6 месяцев назад

The Ampero II Stomp is the second MOST EXPENSIVE and LEAST COST-EFFICIENT Hotone model right now... The Ampero One is the LEAST EXPENSIVE and MOST COST-EFFICIENT Hotone model right now. I don't know whether you're doing these mistakes on purpose to attract user engagement, or you just do lousy research.

@gibson2623 5 месяцев назад

I think CHEAP is a very badly chosen word. This is not a cheap product, and the price is not actually unexpensive at all.

@johnnathancordy 5 месяцев назад

Relative to which other Modelers?

@gibson2623 5 месяцев назад

@@johnnathancordy All ! This product sounds actually good. I find it expensive, but I was surprised at how it sounds :) I own a boss GT1000 (which i don t like that musch sound wise) and a TMP which I like. I see it as the tech evolves, it becomes natural that these modellers sound better year after year, including the "cheaper" ones. Makes sense anyway. Take care mate :)