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Is The Kia Forte GT Actually Fun? 

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@blaireeee344
@blaireeee344 2 года назад
I hear your gripes with it but I appreciate the honesty. I'm looking to buy one and honestly it sounds like exactly what I'm looking for. I want a great, reliable, compact car that's got a fun factor that won't get me in trouble. This is it!
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels 2 года назад
You will absolutely love it! Granted I wouldn't be so confident about the not getting in trouble part....
@blaireeee344
@blaireeee344 2 года назад
@@PerformanceOnWheels fair enough. Its got 39hp less than my current Volvo, but it's also about 600 lbs lighter so 😂
@1meancanam
@1meancanam 2 года назад
Bryh it's badass I got the 6 speed put a tune that dont mess with my warranty and oil catch can and a cat back exhaust and bypassed my blow off valve and got a shortthrow shifter in it
@theshadetreegearhead1980
@theshadetreegearhead1980 Год назад
Also a takeda intake gives it a little sumthin sumthin in the induction noise dept. Also seems to boost my acceleration too, I can feel it anyway. Closed for a little extra oomph and normal maintenance, open for all the noise, all the power and more frequent cleaning of the filter. I got the stage 2 open.
@sheddy22
@sheddy22 Год назад
@Ed Findlay thats probably what he meant, most of chips are warranty friendly
@theenthusiast4218
@theenthusiast4218 2 года назад
All your doing is showing your hand that you don’t know how a dct works. It doesn’t have a torque converter. I assume you know that. That’s why it is “clunky” because there is a direct connection between the throttle and the momentum of the car. You are trying really hard to be edgy with these reviews.
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels 2 года назад
I've driven tons of cars with DCTS. I have only been in 1 car with as clunky as an experience as this one which was the Nissan GT-R of the earlier generations of the R35. I'm not being "edgy" I'm being honest it shouldn't be that clunky.
@theenthusiast4218
@theenthusiast4218 2 года назад
@@PerformanceOnWheels I’ve driven my buddies mk6 R32 and I’ve ridden in a newer s3 with a dct. The forte is compatible to both of them. You just don’t like the way it engine brakes. But even if I go out and put my manual car in first gear, take it to 3-4K and go on an off the gas a lot it will do the same thing. First gear has the biggest difference in car speed vs. rotational mass of the clutch. The “jerkiness” you describe when the car engine brakes will reduce significantly at greater speeds. If I’m going 30mph down the road, and do that same procedure. It’s not as dramatic as you say. Pretty sure you also said the forte also has 8 gears. So it makes you sound less credible.
@thefastforte2854
@thefastforte2854 2 года назад
He Dsnt
@SendNoodNoDudes
@SendNoodNoDudes Год назад
I ordered a 2023 manual GT they told me it was going to be a 6 month wait. It has been 3 weeks they called today and told me my car will be here in the first week of next month!
@CodysKillingIt
@CodysKillingIt 2 года назад
Thank you for confirming that this is the car for me. Definitely will be ordering this month 🙂
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels 2 года назад
Glad I could help!
@BOURBON-BANDIT
@BOURBON-BANDIT 2 года назад
I just bought one and I love it. I plan on putting a JB4 racing chip and K&N air filter on it
@Thisistheway4us
@Thisistheway4us 2 дня назад
So I can give my opinion on the Kia forte gt since I clearly have the most experience on this subject. Had 2022 Kia forte gt. Paid cash for it. Added 15k in modifications and just drove the car like it was hot. Kept in sport mode whole time. Was getting 45mpg. I put 94000 miles on it in 2 years. Enjoyed the car so much. I removed all the modifications and then traded in for a 2024. So now I got the 24 with all the modifications on it and apparently now I can get 51mpg. I drove the piss out of the 2022 and never had one single problem. Let his sink in….sport mode getting top gas mileage at 51 and average at 47. I have videos on my channel of my cars.
@stevenspring9889
@stevenspring9889 2 месяца назад
Test drove the Jetta GLI, Civic SI and the Forte GT all in 6 speed manual. All within 4-k of each-other. I absolutely fell in love with the 2021 Forte GT. It feels so much better off the line, than the SI or GLI. The only thing I did not like was the shifter. Not sure what they were thinking with that. I ended up with the Forte GT. The 5 k I am saving over the others I have gotten a stage 2 cold air intake, a blow off valve , and a short throw shift kit. Im guessing im putting out right at 220HP and I am still 3 grand under the what I would have spent with the other two. This is such a fun commuter/ weekend cruiser, if you are on the fence, don't be this is the one.
@jeremyparsons2944
@jeremyparsons2944 2 года назад
our 6mt is a blast, the manual gt come with alot of the gt2 package options, and has Michelin pilot sport tires vs. the all seasons on the dct
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels 2 года назад
Thanks for commenting and checking in.
@Vbluguitar
@Vbluguitar Год назад
I’m gonna second this. Mine is a 21 with 50k miles (bought it new in 21) and if you aren’t having fun in this car then you doing something wrong (points at dct). It’s a kick in the pants and perfect for blasting down country roads.
@CCBZRG
@CCBZRG 2 года назад
I like my 22 DCT GT2 because it is not trying to be anything it's not, and for what it is you cannot beat the price!
@ryangallo4414
@ryangallo4414 2 года назад
Why would you buy a car that all you do is complain about?
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels 2 года назад
I don't only complain about it?
@DaBlueSoldier69
@DaBlueSoldier69 2 года назад
watch the video lmao💀😂
@AIDAHAR210
@AIDAHAR210 2 года назад
Best I could do 0-60 with my GT manual is 6.3 sec. I have a buddy with same exact Forte GT as mine who lives near New Orleans who was able to do 5.9 sec, probably due to extremely low elevations, and he is an experienced race car driver. PS: But hey, for me 6.3 is very quick for me, since my last vehicle which was a 2020 Ram Longhorn takes 10.6 sec at best to go 0 to 60 and the 2015 Silverado HC I had before that took around the same time
@thefastforte2854
@thefastforte2854 2 года назад
Exactly that what I just told him what type of dig is he doing
@anthonywebster7592
@anthonywebster7592 2 года назад
@@thefastforte2854 no cap lmao this gotta be the worst 0-60 times I seen for our cars🤣
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels 2 года назад
Maybe I just had a slow one. I got absolutely smoked by a v6 silverado at a stoplight
@thefastforte2854
@thefastforte2854 2 года назад
@@PerformanceOnWheels well I guess I got a 🦄 because I'm about 25-5 😂😂😂 and that's on my channel
@thefastforte2854
@thefastforte2854 2 года назад
@@anthonywebster7592 I can not try and run that on half throttle
@Logan-te3iq
@Logan-te3iq 3 месяца назад
These cars are a lot of fun I went with a 24 Manual wasn’t a fan of the DCT the clutch is light but I still feel pretty connected with 93 pump has only intake and aftermarket exhaust this car runs pretty well for the price point and is a blast to drive yours seems to get a very slow 0-60 mine will do 6.5 ish every single time with just me in it which is perfect fine with me and not the best launching in the world but good review as always these cars sound awesome btw
@kiabass8798
@kiabass8798 2 года назад
Yeah I don't like how noisy the kumho tires are I'm swaping em out for michelin pilot sport all season 4s along with some new 5 spoke rims
@lagspikegaming
@lagspikegaming 2 года назад
I just bought a 2022 Kia Forte gt with the 6spd manual just a couple weeks ago. I have really enjoyed the car, best bang for the buck out there. I also got almost 2k off the car because it had been sitting there and no one new how to drive manual so they gave me a “manual discount” LOL! My biggest complaints with the car is that with the manual shift nob, you can’t change it out and so your stuck with the sh*tty stock one. The second complaint is the jerkiness on acceleration in lower gears and the turbo lag (normal and sport mode). Besides that, this is a great car and seriously worth the money
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels 2 года назад
Lol manual discount. That's great
@urbz6712
@urbz6712 Год назад
they have a $300 short through shifter kit you can throw😂 in it. I thought the car was jerky at first but now that I've figured out the gear box. It shifts from first to second way better than my Fiesta st did.
@Numb2Fear
@Numb2Fear Год назад
Great video Would you recommend this color like would this be your first pick over the others ?
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels Год назад
I loved this color! It was definitely my choice!
@jacobw886
@jacobw886 4 месяца назад
My 23 with dct is the most fun car I’ve ever owned. Had it for over a year and I still like it as much as when it was new.
@AvenueD417
@AvenueD417 Год назад
Just be sure to add more clear coats on these because that paint scratches like nothing
@Yeanelixel_phantomcarcrew
@Yeanelixel_phantomcarcrew Год назад
The Kia Forte GT Sport 2023 Manual transmission I bought me one exactly in blue is fun.. To drive it has alot of power!
@ronburgundy4375
@ronburgundy4375 Год назад
Okay I gotta stop you .... what you were doing at 7:23 "the clunky" bit was driving it in manual mode and holding a gear. A dct is not a true automatic its an automated manual... you were in the upper rpm range getting on and off of the throttle what did you expect it to do? A modern zf auto will do the same thing.. you were trying to present that as an issue when it's driver error
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels Год назад
Definitely shouldn't be making the extremely loud clunk and cracking noise while doing that. I know how to drive the car. Just over exaggerating the issue for a video. It's extremely apprent normal driving. Not even in manual.
@ronburgundy4375
@ronburgundy4375 Год назад
I think the best part is you're not going to find another car as well equipped for the money 27k fully loaded it needs some more styling refinement like that center section on the taillights deleted, bringing thr blinkers and turn signals from the bumper into the taillights and a better infotainment screen (it looks tacky) maybe have a whole screen filling the space between the gauges. Hoping to see some actual performance models the k5 has the nline stuff in it the forte needs it too maybe awd
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels Год назад
It's a killer bargin for the price. Your getting alot for what you pay for
@prebaned
@prebaned Год назад
Not a good or accurate review of the DCT. You just don't know how to drive it, plus you're incorrect, its a 7 speed DCT. 50k on mine and it drives perfect.
@frankrivera6794
@frankrivera6794 Год назад
Just bought a 2023 GT2 Package. Almost 1k miles in and I absolutely love it.
@onepercentshow
@onepercentshow 2 года назад
Buddy it’s 7 speed not a 8 speed
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels 2 года назад
Thanke Bud! Just seeing if your paying attention
@sergiorivas8755
@sergiorivas8755 2 года назад
Great review. I wonder if you have driven a Forte GT Manual with the SXTH Element EM3 Lower Engine Mount. I have a 22 GT manual and the stick handles much better (with the trade off of more vibrations). Also, please consider changing the tires to the Michelin Sport Pilot 4, it will make a big improvement. Something that I don't like of the DCT, is the transmission is like a manual in the sense that will requires a replacement of the dual clutch, and this is not covered by the warranty. The price is double for replacing the DCT clutches versus the single clutch on the traditional manual and both have a similar life spam. Keep up with the great job with the videos!
@pAezJR91
@pAezJR91 Год назад
Looking to get one here soon! Great vid
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels Год назад
You will love it! Glad you liked it!
@waynemangan9925
@waynemangan9925 2 года назад
If your coming from any NA 4 cyl, this motor is torqey as hell, you wont want for passing power, but you just wont get it all until 2nd gear. Well matched with the dct. an intake for this car is a must, it even eliminates some starting out hesitation. I have a catless downpipe and factory exhaust only, no tune, this really unlocks the near redline hp and boost punch and the engine seems to operate much more smoothly with the trans with low throttle input, like it irons out all the auto shifty weirdness with the trans. My 2018 E. S. is a riot to drive when you want to have some fun, and I dont even have a tune.
@eg-gt
@eg-gt 2 года назад
I have a K&N drop filter and mangaflow muffler with no resonator and I agree with you about it breathing so much better than stock. When I floor it through all the gears the dct shift faster and doesn't drop rpm when shifting gears compared to stock. I was surprised how much more quickly it was going through the gears, wish i had a video. I've been having lots of fun so I think this set up is just fine for now haha
@charlottetrades3367
@charlottetrades3367 Месяц назад
24 Steel Gray GT w/ GT2. Love it!!!! 🌴
@sgtwiggles292
@sgtwiggles292 2 года назад
In my country i just bought a demo 2021 Kia Cerato GT (Forte GT) which was at a significant discount of nearly 10k off which was 35k NZD (around 20k USD)!! I have done a 0-100km/h (0-61mph) run where i got 6.5s but NZ and AUS variant use Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tires
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels 2 года назад
That's awesome! Thanks for checking in.
@beastmangledyou176
@beastmangledyou176 2 года назад
Did you put a drop in k&n high flow filter it makes a big difference with responsiveness and the turbo and hissing is way more noticeable also I think it made the low speed driving better also one tip is leave it in normal driving at low speed it gets rid of that jerkiness also your 0-60 seems off I'm getting right around 6s but maybe that k&n helps with that
@MrBx4525
@MrBx4525 2 года назад
Would you know the part # for the K&N drop in for the 1.6 turbo? I have this exact sporty blue Forte but the 2023
@beastmangledyou176
@beastmangledyou176 2 года назад
33-5050
@beastmangledyou176
@beastmangledyou176 2 года назад
It might say for cerato but that's what they call the forte in Australia
@MrBx4525
@MrBx4525 2 года назад
Thank you so much. Let me ask… my Forte when decelerating you’ll see the rpm needle dropping and then shoots up once then lowers smoothly. Kinda weird and never seen a car do that. Is that normal?
@beastmangledyou176
@beastmangledyou176 2 года назад
@@MrBx4525 it's probably when the dct is down shifting this transmission is more like a manual than an automatic it's a automatically shifting manual transmission so it's not going to feel like other cars with normal automatic transmissions but you get better performance from a dct
@jeffreyburney6161
@jeffreyburney6161 8 месяцев назад
I have a 2023 Kia forte GT manual. My car in sport mode will absolutely throw you back in your seat in every gear. The car is rated at 201 hp. And I have driven many different vehicles with different power ratings. And I have not put this car on a dino, but I can tell you that it feels around 200 hp-ish and normal drive mode. But it feels much higher with sport mode. If I had to guess in sport mode, the car is possibly putting out closer to 275 hp. But like I said, I have not put it on a dino
@Yousif.alshorji
@Yousif.alshorji 17 дней назад
What is the best way to make sure this car can gain more noise what is a cheap thing you can do
@adamgellman4248
@adamgellman4248 2 года назад
Are you getting the jerkiness of the DCT in all drive modes at low speeds? Just wondering if it's less jerky in eco mode. Without having driven one yet, I'm assuming if it's in sport mode the DCT is trying to hold gear because it's programmed to think you should be close to full throttle and by going slow it doesn't know what to do. Would love if you could make a video featuring just the transmission performing at different speeds. Also thank you for the videos featuring this car, it's been very helpful in narrowing down some options for myself.
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels 2 года назад
I already sold the car. It drove the same in all drive modes
@joeyschmoey9138
@joeyschmoey9138 Год назад
@@PerformanceOnWheels Why did you sell it? Wasn't what you expected after owning it for a while?
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels Год назад
Just knew I could have more fun in a cheaper car.
@alieniverson8139
@alieniverson8139 Год назад
@@PerformanceOnWheels what car did you end up going with?
@user-hf5cf9ie1u
@user-hf5cf9ie1u Год назад
​@@PerformanceOnWheelsmust have had some issue...mine definitely shows a difference in different modes
@1meancanam
@1meancanam 2 года назад
The clutch is perfect just bites a bit too quick lol
@pinkytwinkie1
@pinkytwinkie1 Год назад
I have the Manuel gt2 and when you break the clutch in it’s way fun
@KVNGAnthonyBuckets
@KVNGAnthonyBuckets 2 года назад
I have actually gotten better performance putting premium gas in my gt you try it out also!
@combatveteranusnavy2012
@combatveteranusnavy2012 2 года назад
I can't afford Premium Gas. I will have to wait until President Trump in back in office in 2025, and he starts the drilling, and the fracking again.
@haley6274
@haley6274 Год назад
@@combatveteranusnavy2012yeah because that will solve it 😂😂😂
@FT9chango5
@FT9chango5 Год назад
@@combatveteranusnavy2012 f trump
@TheForteGt
@TheForteGt 2 года назад
You're not launching right bro
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels 2 года назад
Oh okay🤣
@thefastforte2854
@thefastforte2854 2 года назад
He sucks..he needs to watch my channel 😂😂
@TheGrantparis
@TheGrantparis 24 дня назад
Is this the stock exhaust?
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels 23 дня назад
Yes it is
@magicsinglez
@magicsinglez Год назад
A Manuel is interesting for about 5,000 miles. From 5,000 miles to 45,000, a manual is a total pain. After about 50,000 miles, you shift without even realizing it. Guaranteed, despite less moving parts, cheaper price, better gas mileage, you’ll look for an automatic next time. But lower price/less parts/less wear/better gas mileage could at least tempt you. Would be a mistake to pick another manual, probably.
@dubb7530
@dubb7530 2 месяца назад
ive driven a manual for 25 years, nope i wont ever want a modern automatic. especially a pos cvt or dct
@user-hf5cf9ie1u
@user-hf5cf9ie1u Год назад
Must be a trans problem with that car.Have a 2021 no trans issues at all!!
@kilerseb117
@kilerseb117 Год назад
Did you changed or modified the exhaust? pops sounds so good
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels Год назад
Nope! It's stock
@kilerseb117
@kilerseb117 Год назад
@@PerformanceOnWheels That's amazing!! and did you had any issues with the engine or transmission during your ownership? thanks
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels Год назад
Not during my ownership, I got rid of it before any came up
@kilerseb117
@kilerseb117 Год назад
@@PerformanceOnWheels did you think any would of came up ? XD sounds like you anticipated some or im missreading this
@talhakhan9162
@talhakhan9162 5 месяцев назад
How did you drift it
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels 5 месяцев назад
E brake
@milkdudjr.6940
@milkdudjr.6940 Год назад
Why do you have the kuhmo all season the gt2 package should come with the summer tires
@Hutchy86
@Hutchy86 2 года назад
Any plans on performance upgrades?
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels 2 года назад
It may or may not be no longer with us.
@Hutchy86
@Hutchy86 2 года назад
@@PerformanceOnWheels 😢
@Hutchy86
@Hutchy86 2 года назад
@@PerformanceOnWheels did you ever notice what seems to be a dent on the boot. If you look along the boot line towards the rear of the car centre of where the wing is seems to be a slight indent pretty much perfectly centred 🤷‍♂️
@theshadetreegearhead1980
@theshadetreegearhead1980 Год назад
Damn. I've had several ragged out V8 trucks try to give me a go and I eat 'em up every time. All I've got is a stage 2 intake so idk. Maybe it's the DCT cause I have the 6MT
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels Год назад
Mine just seems to be slower than everyone else's
@theshadetreegearhead1980
@theshadetreegearhead1980 Год назад
@@PerformanceOnWheels sport mode and drop a gear on 'em brother, maybe 2 then let that Itty bitty turbo do its thing
@luismorjoles8358
@luismorjoles8358 Год назад
Traffic is horrible in this thing but I love my car lol I use the paddles in traffic. 23 Kia Forte GT
@yellowgreen2378
@yellowgreen2378 Год назад
whats the reason with the car jerking?
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels Год назад
Not very refined Duel clutch transmission.
@yellowgreen2378
@yellowgreen2378 Год назад
@@PerformanceOnWheels is that normal or something to worry about?
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels Год назад
Normal unfortunately.
@GoodL81
@GoodL81 Год назад
Thank you 😊
@combatveteranusnavy2012
@combatveteranusnavy2012 2 года назад
My 2022 Forte GT with the DCT in NOT clunky at slow stop and go speeds. I don't hear a LOAD NOISE either. Is the DCT as smooth as when I'm on the freeway doing 65+ mph, no of course not. You need to learn how to use the DCT in slow traffic.
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels 2 года назад
I need to learn how to use it? You treat it like it's a manual. I'm not the only person who's ever said it's clunky read motor trend articles on it.
@Rob-bd7tt
@Rob-bd7tt Год назад
​@PerformanceOnWheels yeah you do actually, sounds like you really just don't know much about cars, a DCT is not like an automatic, a DCT is basically a computer that is using a stick shift, u follow similar style of driving to a manual
@matthewaltenore628
@matthewaltenore628 Год назад
Mine is not that slow 0-60………😐
@thefastforte2854
@thefastforte2854 2 года назад
Who the heck runs a dig with 1 hand on the wheel...your making us look bad with that. I run 4.96 0-60 on Dragy, other non modded cars have run 6.3xx even Motor trend runs 6.4xxx. you don't have a driver mod at all 😂😂😂
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels 2 года назад
You need 2 hands on the wheel for a 6 second automatic car? Nothing to do with a driver mod on an automatic vehicle from a dig that doesn't have launch control.
@thefastforte2854
@thefastforte2854 2 года назад
@@PerformanceOnWheels watch me launch the car and see the difference. But it's called brake boosting from the stop. And then it's called keeping the car straight. Which from that rear shot, it wasn't.
@anthonywebster7592
@anthonywebster7592 2 года назад
@@thefastforte2854 yea facts lol a dct does 0-60 in 6.2-5.9 seconds easy
@michaelmcneal9808
@michaelmcneal9808 Год назад
That’s why you pay $1000 for the manual.
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels Год назад
I paid 2200 for the GT2 instead.
@specialk4006
@specialk4006 Год назад
@@PerformanceOnWheels ... and still sold it.
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels Год назад
Sure did!
@urbz6712
@urbz6712 Год назад
​@@specialk4006rich people go through cars like we do tennis shoes.
@user-hf5cf9ie1u
@user-hf5cf9ie1u Год назад
Those exhaust farts between gear shifting sound awful!!!
@ericf.9558
@ericf.9558 Год назад
You lost to a V6 Chevy Silverado ?? 😂 How is that even possible?
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels Год назад
Bro blew my doors off
@ericf.9558
@ericf.9558 Год назад
@@PerformanceOnWheels let's just hope he was modded lol. The power to weight ratio wouldn't add up for him to blow your doors off 😂. 4800lb V6 Silverado with 285hp vs a 3000lb forte gt with 201hp.
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels Год назад
Idk man it was just a single cab short box base as can be
@IAcityntv
@IAcityntv 2 года назад
Going through the gears lmao in a DCT.
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels 2 года назад
What else would you call it?
@thefastforte2854
@thefastforte2854 2 года назад
You have one hand on the wheel. Your not a performance car driver you wouldn't have a habit of doing that even if it was a Prius
@watajob
@watajob 10 месяцев назад
For the price? Not bad. Kinda' pigish, tho. Why they didn't put the 2.0 T in here is beyond me.
@gmoney9961
@gmoney9961 Год назад
I haven’t heard anyone use “super-this” or “super-that” as much as Austin when describing something since the last time my 12-year-old daughter had a bunch of her friends here for a sleepover. Work on expanding that vocabulary, Austin…right now it’s nails on a chalkboard 😬
@PerformanceOnWheels
@PerformanceOnWheels Год назад
In our 4 millions views on our videos. Can't say I've ever heard this one.
@gmoney9961
@gmoney9961 Год назад
@@PerformanceOnWheels That only proves how many poor vocabularies there are out there. I do voiceovers for a living…and I’m not trying to disparage you. Take another listen and count how many times you use the word…it borders on comical. Just offering some constructive criticism…you can accept it or not🍺
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