Is the Labour Party 'making up a prisons crisis'? | LBC 

and they claimed it was to save money but the national debt tripled?!?

Or they wanted to make it terrible so they could privatize it and make it a business like in the U.S.

@@kanedNunable But by Privatising the Probation Service some rich individual pocketed loads of cash.

Precisely. And the Tories have their old playbook to use, which they’ve reached for like clockwork toys. Anonymously sourced articles in the client media saying, “Look how expensive Labour’s plans are. They’re scare mongering!” And in six months or less, “Look how long it’s taking to get any results!” Well, not this time, Rishi! This time each Cabinet head is conducting root and branch studies of each department and holding up the receipts for the country to see! So that all Britains (who pay attention) KNOW, if it’s expensive and time consuming, that’s because of the diabolical MESS the Tories made of it! And here’s the EVIDENCE!

@@applecounty: That’s what would have happened if, by some miracle, the Tories had clung to power. Their plan was to run everything from Health and social care, to prisons and the security services, into the ground, so that the robber barons get to play the, “white knight,” role when they privatised the lot. Almost as if putting a billionaire venture capitalist in charge of a country (which he just viewed as so many assets to be broken up and sold off) was a bad idea, right? We would have ended the next parliament with a bunch of privatised, rival police forces roaming the streets like packs of wild dogs, and all of us living in fear of defenestration if we say the wrong thing about someone, like it was Russia now!

i did think the same myself.. they wanted to loose 100%

Explains why the Prime Minister would announce a general election date in the rain without an umbrella without telling his cabinet first

I mean, if every PM since Cameron had been an ideological communist trying to force the population into a state of revolution, a lot of things would certainly make sense 😂

@@Jonnyonthespot123 they could see was coming, tried to jump before they where left dealing with a extremely serious problem

So release prisoners like the leader of the child groomers ? How would that make you feel if you were one of his many victims ?

Just torys silly Billy

@@Commsfarage but there's not enough space in prison

@@CommsfarageOf course. Lefties NEVER do anything wrong ever. They think that’s a fact!

😢😢😢vira​@@Commsfarage

Maybe, but they would be released the next day……

I know a lot of people who should be in prison, one of them is going to start on a 'reality TV show'.

100%. I’ve known people in prison and people who work in prisons - not one of them would say prisons aren’t overcrowded, understaffed and underfunded.

@@kitm141 ditto. The whole system is in absolute crisis .

worked in plenty as a pipe welder , bars, security ect i noticed they are full of none brits and i mean full

@@kitm141 ditto, even the better managed ones are chaos.

Lining the pockets of their secret lovers? I don't know, what have they been doing? They tried to blame Starmer for not prosecuting Margaret Thatcher's friend Jimmy Savile, maybe Jim advised her on Cyril Smith. They are blaming the current migration crisis on Tony Blair, almost as if they haven't had 14 years to undo anything he did. I am not a great fan of executing all the members of former governments but sometimes I wonder...

Nope, that's it.

Using the public as their own bank account.

Doing exactly that

Well if you want to make bank off prisons, like in the US, don't you massively expand the number of prison places under private contracts and make sure you fill them whilst publicly stating you are cracking down on law and order? The fact this wasn't done (it would be both popular and lucrative) suggests incompetence rather than maliciousness.

1.4 decades, precisely

@@user-ir5wq6db8e no it did not stop trying to blame labour for the last 14 years of tory rule

@@simoncox9689 Can you explain why the UK prison population doubled between 1997 and 2010 (and has stayed at that level until today)?

​@@simoncox9689let's not blame the great Labour Party for anything!! I'm no Tory but do you realise how ridiculous you sound

@@user-ir5wq6db8e This is not the same as running out of capacity though, is it? Read!

remember it was a left wing Tory government afraid to upset middle class ''progressive'' / Bigoted ? activists who demand we all should consider criminals are lovely people who did not enjoy their priviledge ..........we need 50,000 more prison places immediately ................with barriers to Islamist criminals treating prison as an alternative lifestyle

No no no. there was plenty of investment abroad. why would we need more infrastructure in Britain? it's not like we've added millions more people to the population.... oh wait...

Party of economic stability too remember 😂 that crashed the economy… all the lies have come home to roost

The Tories are the party of sleeves, corruption and misogyny.

​@@calumhenderson9404Naw, nothing but record immigration.

hmm, released 6 months early, or serve 40% of my 8 year sentence for extreme violence. omg decisions decisions

@@markryan3498 labour have said absolutely nothing about releasing people THAT early. Quit talking goo.

​@@markryan3498true Starmer asked Sunak at PMQs a few months ago if criminals convicted of violent crimes including domestic abuse would be released early, don't think he answered the question, what a surprise.

Sounds like 'Care' in the community.

@@johnjephcote7636 he said something like “they shouldn’t be released” - what he didn’t say was “they aren’t/will not be released”. The only correct answer to the question of “are we releasing violent offenders early” is “no”, and Sunak’s lack of certainty didn’t inspire faith.

They realised they had stolen everything apart from the crown jewels. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they had managed a way to hock them

nothing left to sell off. they need to let labour rebuild before they come back and do it again.

And the headbangers still voted for them.

@@kanedNunablethe same Labour who will tax us to the eyeballs and make us all poorer,that one?

Freinds & family's you mean

Has there ever been a situation that privatizing worked? It’s like Americans believing in “trickle down economics” every four years or so they’re like “this time it might work.”

Tory policy has always been underfund then privatise, with the obvious backhanders associated with their crony contracts.

They did, remember G4S running prisons, ended in riots.

And after the privarited prison system, then a privatised police force.

Well it makes sense doesn’t it- if there’s no jail spots why employ more cops to pince more criminals? Less cops- less arrests- less cells needed! The tories would stoop to levels many people could not even imagine in their wildest dream (or nightmare)! However they’ll vote em back in at some point!

Additionally look at what they did to the court and justice system. Hollowed out and described as enemies of the people

Should be the first option. 3 months in jail or 6 months picking up litter.

​@@brinjoness3386how about 6 months picking fruit?

The rehabilitation programmes have dried up too...

@@Olyfrun 12 months if they want that, I am a socialist green communist, but I have my limit. If farmers want labour they can open their wallet wider.

​@@Olyfrunwant your plantations back do you ?

💯 they need fines for reporting on things that are not too hard for them to have fact checked Fines and penalties, named and shamed

Since when was Rwanda a British colony or possession!

Rwanda is already a prison. Just sent criminals there.

Rwanda just wants money so it's a cheaper option

stolen a coat ???............more like this their 40th conviction for shoplifting . Our pathetic liberal judges and magistrates have been allowing these vile indolent miscreants to mob handed raid supermarkets with impunity for years

I also have problems understanding why a judge would give someone 6 months for stealing a coat, failing to pay their TV licence or housing tax and yet pedophiles only sometimes get just a few months more..

there are people who just put stickers on things

Why are they left their indefinitely? Can you give me an example of this?

@user-SubvurzIV Really? You need to give an example where this has actually occurred.

I agree, unless of course, they break the law while doing so.

Why do you lot have an unelected house specifically for aristocrats, again...?

Unfortunately, in the words of James Timpson, 'the British public is addicted to punishment.' A majority of the electorate feel that 'crime is crime' and anyone who commits an offense deserves to be punished to the full extent of the law, and then given the worst possible treatment inside (ignoring the fact that this is already technically beyond the scope of the law, as the loss of liberty is supposed to be the punishment, you're not supposed to abuse people inside on top of it). Hopefully Labour can bring about serious reform - and should do so immediately at the height of their majority - but it's not a vote winner, especially considering the state of our press.

@@kef0205 I'm a gamer and I love prison architect, but I always add a reform mod 😂 Realistically, prison is treating the symptoms, not the cause. In the London Riots when I heard kids were nicking food that should have been a major red flag

No doubt you happily took your monthly salary through furlough though??

@@deco2132 I didn't take anything from the state.

@@deco2132what does this even mean in response? Let man be angry how HIS taxes are spent.

I like the idea of awkward sentences, like sentencing someone to maths lessons until they get an above average passing grade, or painting walls with toothbrushes 😂

So car thieves and car vandalism that costs individuals a lot personally should not expect the culprits to serve time.

Well then you have the same issue as in San Francisco & NYC - people robbing under $900.

​@@johnpaulnash8144 It'll cost the victim yet more if the culprit has to be imprisoned. Over 40 grand a year, and when the culprit gets out they'll be even more likely to do another crime

WOKEY COKEY

People in the police, prisons and social services have seen their work conditions deteriorating, funding cut the bare minimum, too few people on shift for numbers being looked after, and a collapse of support agencies both charitable and government due to lack of funding. That's were the problems start, no safe places to put families from abusive situations.

Tubby Kammeren living high on the hog

Where was the austerity exactly?

Act quickly and do what?

dont you worry Labour are about to release habitual career shoplifters en mass, what do you think is going to happen then

@markryan3498 what is your short term solution fella? Criticism shouldn't come without a solution.

Sounds like treating a symptom to lock them up

@@TheMrReee ok fella, the short term solution would be, to build more prisons, its not like we didnt build nightingale hospitals practically over night is it

IPP ?

​@@russellbradley454prisoners kept in prison long after the sentences have been served as they say the public needs to be protected from them. One man has been in prison for over 20 years for attempting to steal a coat!!!! I know sounds like a horror story but it's true, saw a documentary about it lately.

​@@lizdocherty3067Charles Bronson ?

You’re telling me.

Why would they, not many people broadcast their failures. And let's face it if one of them grew a conscience and told the real truth about the state of the country the whole party would have been arrested on multiple charges.

Mass unemployment and recession-related poverty comes to mind as a reason for an increase in crime, if the government was going around making tens of thousands of people unemployed

or a guy who sold stickers with fact on them ...not braking any laws but got 2 years in prison ..free Samuel Melia

when fact become illegal you no we have no freedom of speech

@@michaelenglish2066you need locking up for your abuse of our language.

@@michaelenglish2066 They weren't facts and he did break the law. There are plenty of people in our prisons who shouldn't be there, but Samuel Melia is not among them.

@@michaelenglish2066 he's not one of the ones being let out either.

600k investment for a single cell? Are they building each criminal a 3 bedroom detached with conservatory and a garage? By the way, Scotland are currently building 2 prisons for about 500 million, one in Balfour and one in Glasgow.

And you've based this on what exactly? Sources please. A perceived lack of enforcement absolutely increases likelihood of offending. People shoplift in major cities with near impunity because the police and the courts are so lenient about it. I'm not talking about some kid stealing sweets I'm talking grown men walking into shops and blatantly stealing expensive stuff to sell, repeatedly, getting away with at best a trespass and a fine. I'm not advocating draconian crackdowns or anything, but to suggest an inability to jail suspected criminals wouldn't lead to an increase in crime is ludicrous.

No, but what does happen is that lenient sentences are given time and time again.. People essentially getting away with serious criminality with a slap on the wrist, suspended sentence or the minimum length prison sentence. Slowly over time people begin to realise crime does pay and the risk to reward ratio is in the criminals favour. This also makes the polices job infinitely more difficult, as James said it's incredibly hard to remand someone these days - to give you an example a career burglar arrested with excellent evidence for 3x burglaries, he was arrested and officers rushed through a CPS case file to get him charged and remanded to court in the morning and hopefully sentenced (he also offended while on license because he got released early for his last lot of burglaries). At court at 0930 in the morning, out of court by 11 on court bail, offending again that same day. The officers put in a 16 hour shift to get the case to CPS in time for this to happen, finishing work at 0630hrs that morning. The defendant was out of court and walking about free before the officers even woke up from their sleep after the shift.. What sort of deterrent is that, and how demoralising is that for the police. You can get the evidence, you can get them to court but then the court can't put them in prison. Then you get told "why aren't police doing anything about burglaries".. Well the burglaries that could have been dealt with and defendant put in prison carries on offending - this wouldn't have happened 15 years ago.. He would have been arrested, remanded and stayed in prison for most of his sentence giving a nice reduction in the burglary statistics. So it definitely does affect things, although not in the way your thinking

Everything is worse than it was 14 years ago under the Tories.

Not mad at all, makes perfect sense to someone willing to ignore reality and focus on numbers only.

I'm not sure that would make much of a dent. In 2019 out of 15000 possesion charges, 270 went to prison.

​@@mowse73 270 out 15000 is that just possession or possession with intent?

​@@nickchivers9029 The maximum sentence for possession of cannabis, a class B drug, is five years in prison. Just 270 of the 15,270 people prosecuted for the offence were jailed in 2019

I need to fix my eyes, I initially read "legalizing cannibals". After all the more people get eaten, the less there are to offend. 🤣

yes , and within 12 months ....we have millions more pathetic drug addicts ( who progressed to heroine etc ) clogging up the NHS with their addiction treatments et al . Use the Gulf State method of creating zero drug users ......deterrence. The strongest of them all ............

While I'm personally all for it, cannabis legalization won't put much of a dint in the prison population. Even after it got reclassified people are very rarely incarcerated for just cannabis offences in the UK

​@@ChartreuseDan it's about 500-600 people I think, in England and Wales.

Citation needed of course