Is The Latin Mass Better Than The Novus Ordo? | The Catholic Talk Show 

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I was overwhelmed with sadness when I attended my first latin mass. I felt like I was robbed of something beautiful and holy for 19 years of my life. I couldn't understand why anyone would do away with it for something so much more watered down

I’m a cradle Catholic that have known no other than Novus Ordo until I started attending TLM during the Covid lockdown and since then I will never look back. TLM it is for me, I’m in LOVE!

Personally, I prefer the traditional Latin Mass. I’ll never forget attending my first TLM. The reverence and focus was surreal.

Older priests and bishops often say that the youth will not appreciate the Tridentine Mass. Have they seen how many young people are attending it? Almost 80% of attendees are the young.

I was an altar boy pre and post Vatican II. The Latin mass was much more reverential and respectful. Communion was placed on the tongue by a priest with a paten under the chin to collect any fallen particles of the body and blood of Christ. Weekday masses were 20-30 minutes and Sunday masses were 45-75 minutes. Women wore head coverings and everyone had missals. Every church should offer at least one Sunday Latin mass.

I have attended both and I prefer the TLM because it is so much more reverent and beautiful.

Since my conversion 10 years ago I have only known and attended the Norvos Ordo mass, but within the last year I have been learning more about the history and tradition of our Church and it has instilled a desire within me to want to experience the mass the way many of the great saints experienced it. I live in an area where they do not offer the extraordinary form of the mass, so I have not had the opportunity to have that experience. All I know is that there is a reverence that is lacking in all the parishes here. Talking, dancing, horrible music, and most importantly, abuse of the blessed Sacrament. I'm definitely not even close to being a perfect Catholic, but I do not believe that when the Church was established by our Lord, this is what He desired.

I am housebound disabled Veteran and I watch a Mass online even before the Covid-19 lockdown. I started at the local Parish before I became housebound. Really couldn't connect with it so I looked around to find something that touched me spiritually. Stumbled across one of the Churches in my relative area and they have a Latin Mass every Sunday. And WoW ! I can't even put into words what I felt after watching that Mass. Fortunately, I have found them and now my heart sings. I am a cradle Catholic and went to parochial school so I grew up with the Novus Ordo Can't wait for the movie "Mass of The Ages", looking forward to it. Father, beautiful and eloquent closing prayer! Thank you.

I do prefer the Latin mass. However. I started attending mass in a Norvus Ordo Church (as it's the only church near me that is currently open during COVID) where the visiting priest from Kenya is quite wonderful, a month later the original Priest came back (I've never seen him) performed the mass in English but he faced the altar...he faced our Lord! it made me want to cry and they USE the Communion Rail ❤. I love this church and my Priests.

I am a cradle catholic and attended the NO until I discovered the beauty of the TLM. My family and I now attend the TLM and have never looked back!

The novus ordo Mass, for me, is too protestant and lacks focus on the Eucharist. At times the elevation is so quick, that if you blink, you miss it.

I have attended Novus Ordo all my life and have had spiritual growth but I attended TLM and all of the sudden I can’t see the Novus Ordo the same way anymore. It’s just that TLM has some power of the Holy Spirit that draws me to Christ ever more, less distraction and has real clarity and don’t want to lose that. It’s not that I feel better about it but a realization what the mass should be like. I just wish every parish just have at least one TLM.

The Latin Mass unites us through place and time. We are together over all the continents and hear the same word through time, over the centuries. My Latin-English Missal broadened my education. I've always given that missal credit for helping me understand new words and technical terminology. It's been something I've regretted losing since it went out of usage. In 1962 I was 14 years old.

I attend both forms of the Mass. They are both valid forms of worship but personally I prefer the TLM.

There is no superior Mass; only the wrapping is different - the disposition of the heart, the participation, the listening, the living, the reverence, the humility, the sincerity, the love in one word, our attitude is the most important in both cases and one should remain free to choose whichever Mass one desires to participate in and no one should look down on another Catholic telling Him One mas is better than the other. Please do not mess around with fragile consciences teaching that one is pleasing to God and the other one does not, that one is good and the other is bad. There is no truth in that and It may damage a person's conscience forever. I respect all opinions except those which are not inspired by LOVE. There is the "Magisterium of the Church" to guide us, as well as the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

I prefer being an active participant therefore I prefer the Novus Ordo mass. My parish has a beautiful Novus Ordo mass. When we enter the church we pray. I don’t know what people are talking about when they say people are talking to their neighbor before Mass begins. That does not happen in our diocese or my parish Church. Whenever I have gone to the TLM because I do not understand Latin, I feel like I have not been to Mass. I take offense to those who say people who like Novus Ordo are not devout Catholics. Many in my parish goes to Mass everyday. All I can say to that statement is this is not true. God have mercy on those who make such judgements.

I went to the Latin mass every day from the 8th grade until I graduated. I loved it so much. I was away from the church for over 40 years. When I went back to church, it was an unbelievable experience for me. I do not like the mass as it is now. So many traditions are now gone and it's over in minutes. I refuse to take communion from the Eucharist Minister as I feel that the priest is the only one that should touch the Eucharist and I also still take it on my tongue. Guess I'm just to old to change. Love your show.

This was THE BEST show yet. I don't have any TLMs near me, but would very much like to attend. My biggest desire is to become more reverent... for the Mass and everyone attending to be more reverent.

I prefer being a participant in the Mass & know what I am saying. I prefer Novus Ordo. I remember my parents & grandparents praying their private rosaries during the Latin Mass. They had no idea what was being said. They always told me that was between Jesus & the Priest. TLM has beautiful music but again I prefer being an active participant in the vernacular.

I wasn't introduced to the Latin Mass until I was 14 or 15. I learned how to serve it not long after I first learned of its existence, in addition to studying the differences between the two rites for a high school theology assignment. I didn't attend the TLM much in college, but not long after I graduated the local parish changed the Sunday schedule to have Latin Mass at 12:30 on Sunday afternoon, so I started going every week, and I haven't stopped unless circumstances preclude me. It's been an incredible blessing to me, and it's changed how I believe significantly and for the better. In December 2019, I was serving Latin Mass on the First Sunday of Advent and during the Offertory, the choir sang the most beautiful polyphonic arrangement of Veni, Veni Emmanuel that I have ever heard. Never before had I heard something so beautiful at Mass, and I seriously doubt I will ever hear something so beautiful at a Novus Ordo. Something about the Latin Mass lends itself to the presence of such music in all its ethereal sublimity.

I choose the Traditional Latin Mass! I pray there will be more 🙏 of the Catholic church that will offer the LTM! ❤

So, I'm currently in RCIA and don't have a TLM within 150 miles. We are traditionally minded folks, and it's interesting to note that even as "irreverent" as folks claim the Novus Ordo is, it's so much more reverent than the Protestant churches I've attended. Guys, these conversations are so confusing for folks in my position and this conversation was much more charitable than many I've heard. So, thank you and be careful. I'm not a Protestant anymore, and I don't want to be "Catholic-lite." I believe in the real presence, and it breaks my heart to not be able to participate yet. I have an Indian priest who is a very serious and holy man, and he has personally taken over my family's catechesis. Pray for me brothers.

I went to my first high Latin mass and it was so beautiful so many young families, incense, Gregorian chants with an organ. It was powerful, mystic, and lovely

Honestly I love both, the Latin mass I think I prefer, but when the Novus Ordo is celebrated reverently it’s actually quite a beautiful mass as much as the Latin.

Well.... I grew up with the Latin Mass, but in my early teens, the modern Mass began. And I actually like the modern Mass and was happy by the changes with no desire to go back. My current church has beautiful Mass, very devout, and the piano and organ music and singing is beautiful. Call me strange, but I am fine with the modern form.

I was growing up luv Latin Mass missed this now I feel lost in going to church thanks for sharing

i leave my faith for a 10 years then suddenly i attend to the latin mass... i get my faith back and i love attending the Lating Mass bring me so much peace. im felling more close to Jesus in Latin Mass and the gregoriant chunt is the best peacefull fullfill music

I just started attending the FSSP parish in Providence RI and it's awe inspiring! I love it and want to have my future children receive sacraments there. I was born in raised in a Novus Ordo parish but I strayed away...started going to TLM last year and won't turn back. The Latin Mass is deepening my faith in respect for the Eucharist.

Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest also celebrates the Tridentine Mass.

I actually didn't know that there were Latin masses I could attend. I am excited to attend a Latin mass for the first time. Thank you for this show, I have learned so much already. God Bless!

It's not only the vernacular and different rubrics of the Novus Ordo Mass. It's the whole Novus Ordo / Vatican 2 mindset that exists at the vast majority of parishes: poor music, disinterested altar servers, the altar crowded with women, poor homilies, no focus on sin, "children and teen Masses," no discipline in attire, uninspiring architecture and decor, homilies or bulletin tracts that doubt the historicity or supernatural nature of Scripture, half an hour of confession ("reconciliation") offered per week, tabernacle off to the side in most cases, too focused on left-leaning social justice issues, liberal "prayers of the faithful" snuck in, fracture with the old calendar, many times substituting the Confiteor for the brief and less offensive Lord / Christ / Lord have mercy, R.E. programs using cartoon books as central texts through all grades (along with the awful NAB, of course), still occasional novelties like sticking sand in the holy water fonts during Lent, Father "First Name," no discipline in fasting or abstinence (e.g. fasting dispensed during Lent because coronavirus was too hard on people, according to the bishops), rushed communion with unnecessary EMHCs giving communion, too much noise with constant singing during / post-communion . . . just to name a few things.

Latin is the Official Language of the Latin Rite within the Catholic Church, as Greek is the Official Language of the Byzantine Rite. We have ancien Catholic Rites that were never rooted in Latin and actually preceded Latin. The New Testament was written in Greek, the first ecumenical Councils were in Greek, the Language of Constantinople was Greek, etc. Slavonic (St. Cyril and St. Methodius) is the Official Language of the Slave Catholic churches in communion with the Supreme Pontiff without carrying Latin as the language of their churches. The Pope is not only the Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church but he is also specifically the Patriarch of the Latin church. In Canon Law the Catholic Church is composed by 23 churches Sui Iuris with different Liturgical Rites. You were baptized in the Latin Rite, may not be the case for another Catholic.

This is a quote from Bishop Strickland from a couple of years ago..... "Ways to receive Our Lord as King of the Universe…read and reflect on the Sunday Scriptures, plan your whole weekend around receiving your King, wear your best garments, spend time in quiet, kneel to receive Him, receive Him on the tongue, offer silent time of thanks after mass."

I’ve noticed that those who take their faith more seriously and live a more orthodox and devout Catholic life all prefer the TLM. All my friends who are Catholic-lite (i.e. don’t really believe in the real Presence, view their faith as an one ‘accessory’ in their life, the more cultural Catholic, etc.) seem to all prefer the NO because it’s easier, shorter, and comes off as less serious. Any true Catholic should be willing to sacrifice 2 hours of their week (2/168 hours per week) worshipping their Creator. Mass should cater to the serious believers and not be a place to primarily catechize non-believers (that’s what school and Bible studies are for).

I am a convert. Before I became Catholic, all I knew about the Mass was the Latin Mass from Hollywood. Bells of St Mary, Song of Bernadette, Keys to the Kingdom, The Nun, even Change of Habit with Elvis. When I began my road back to the Church, I got the Mass in English, standing, Eucharist in the palm. I knew it was not like what I'd seen, but I was fine with it. I went to a Latin Mass in Ireland and I liked it. It was early in the morning and it was more quiet and more contemplative. But really, I feel totally okay doing either. And my priest will do either in the palm or on the tongue and there are a lot of people who walk up and kneel to take Communion. I just like knowing that I can go to any church and I can go to Mass and find my place, do the responses and take Communion, confident in the propriety of the Mass and the Real Presence of Christ.

We drive two hours each way to attend our closest TLM. We are in the process of moving closer for this Mass. And, if this Mass stops, we will move again, God-Willing. Out of my family, my husband and I are the only practicing Catholics. My 4 siblings, 30 cousins, aunts, uncles, and my 3 children are no longer practicing Catholics.

Thanks to the Catholic talk show I’m learning more about the Latin mass. Wish there was one around here where I live .

LATIN the language ALL the Demons fear and tremble over according to Catholic Exorcists...

I made a pledge to Cameron's project..Looking forward to its completion. God Bless!

I really enjoyed this show! Our family used to move between TLM and NO Mass but during the summer lockdowns of last year we began to migrate more and more towards our FSSP parish. It's been a joyful experience for us with really and truly shepherd minded priests. I was pleasantly surprised to hear the discourse here which actually had very little conflict. It gives me so much hope for what the future direction of the Church may be, by the power and guidance of the Holy Spirit. Also I wanted to say what a beautiful prayer at the end. Thank you, Father!! Our family is very excited for Mass of the Ages to be released! God's blessings upon all!! ♥️🙏🏻

I LOVE that I am hearing this from the Catholic Talk Show. You guys have come so far. The TLM is the future!

Following this from Australia 🇦🇺 . I really enjoy these discussions. I personally have clicked the reset button on my Catholicity. There's an emptiness for me attending the NO. My late Father always said, "you don't go to Mass to pray, you go to pray the Mass". I hope this makes sense...I can pray anywhere, anytime and have had many a challenging encounter. Reflecting on Cain and Abel from the OT is the NO the best we can do or is the TLM a more worthy expression of our worship, reverence and offering? With the NO have we lost the sense of the sacred and sacrificed too much?

I have fallen in love with the Latin mass! I feel at home! So special!

TLM for us! We are fighting for a TLM in our area and have been for years. The only one on our diocese is once a month and two hours away. Only two in our entire state. 😭

Adorientum means no talk show host style priests. His total focus is on Christ!

I wish we had a Mass that more closely adhered to the rich tradition of the Church but could incorporate some of the benefits of the new Mass. A nice bridge between the both. I think a properly done NO is not that bad and would inspire more orthodoxy and faith in the people.

The true presence is the only thing that matters. Thank you!

TLM is truly more reverent and beautiful.

When discussing about if Latin is important in itself, I'm surprised no one mentioned that Latin, Hebrew and ancient Greek (all now dead languages) were nailed to the cross, thus making them sacred.

I'm of course into Tridentine Latin Mass. With all of my passion, I support to organize Tridentine Latin Mass here in Bandung, Indonesia. We have a small community here.

I feel that had I been raised under the TLM I wouldn’t have left the church for decades. I was an altar boy for 10 years in the Novus Ordo and all I remember how we were taught one thing and then things would change. Growing up it was just confusion over and over. TLM is slowly bringing me back.

I attend a Novas Ordo Mass and know nothing about vatican ll or why exactly they changed the mass...and I hate how it makes me feel! Who in their right mind would have us standing to receive our Lord!

While living in Europe for many years; I always found myself in church. Great architecture and history. The thing I like about attending Mass in a different language is the rhythm of Mass. I know what is said even if I don’t know the language. With the rhythm of mass you can attend mass any where in the world.

I'm still learning Catholicism, but TLM is beautiful to me.

Latin Mass by far is more complete.....it is coming the new revolution I feel! I am new convert into Catholic (year ago) and quickly decide to become TLM member after seen an very holy and devoted friend (I believe she can be a saint) I and my wife took the decision to go mass everyday, pray the rosary everyday and also try to go confessions often (per month but trying to go per week is the goal)...we believe Latin Mass can restore the church yes! The truth presences of our lord, the reverence, the .... I can give my life for Jesús any moment? Let's ask us that question everyday and we will know where our faith is now....God bless you all.

Oh my goodness! Thank you for this video...this really hit home for me. I am new to attending the TLM. I was in awe in my first experience and understand the greatness of our lord through this mass. In total reverence, I feel closer to experiencing the glory of God. Tradition is definitely the foundation of obedience and reverence, I believe. God bless you all.

Born in the late 60's I grew up with the, new at the time, Novus Ordo. My parish used the alter rails, with communion on the tongue, until around 1979. After my first year of high school we moved, and my family stopped attending Mass. I did not return to the Church until around 2000 with my wife, and were are blessed to have come back to a reverent, Novus Ordo parish, with outstanding priests, and perpetual adoration. I have been spared almost all of the liturgical abuse horror stories associated with the Novus Ordo. Our parish now has both NO and TLM masses. I love them both. I love the beauty, reverence, and especially the music of the High Mass. But, I also love the simplicity of a well said NO Mass, and I love hearing the words of the Eucharistic prayers in English. And, while I largely prefer the old liturgical calendar, I do really like the way the new cycle of readings works.

As someone that is old enough to remember and be an alter boy pre VII, I have a few thoughts. 99% of all Masses celebrated before VII were of the low form. No singing, no chanting, no music, no incense, no participation. Most of the Mass was recited silently by the priest. Most responses were provided by the server. The congregation were observers. They said a few amens, a few et cum spiritu tuos and a few in nomine... Mass was rushed because there could be up to 5 Masses in a row, scheduled on each hour, because if you wanted to go to Communion you could not eat or drink from midnight. They could start as early as 5am. You were a human production line. I love pomp and ceremony and the old Latin Gloria, Sanctus, Agnus Dei etc. when used. However, I find it amusing when people, with no memory of the Latin Mass, over romanticize that time and the feelings and reverence people had for the Mass. As with today and Novus Ordo you ran the gamut with peoples attitude, understanding, reasoning. The same people were sitting in the pews then, as now.

I don’t know about superior but the Latin mass definitely has more reverence. The people their seem more focused on The Eucharist.

This is really going to make some people mad, but...I’m just curious if this happens to anyone else: When people say, “but Vatican II (the N.O. Mass) just hasn’t been implemented properly, yet,” does anyone else hear echoes of when people say that about Socialism?

I am a traditionalist in almost everything I do. As a Catholic the Tradition of the Apostolic succession legitimizing the Nova Ordo makes it the Mass to attend. Don't get me wrong I love the Latin Mass but hearing the Mass in the vernacular language allows me to understand all of the Mass. In the past the purpose of the Latin Mass was necessary to maintain proper translation, but with the improved communication we are able to have an good and valid translation. My dream Mass is the 2 and 3 hour Ordo. With that said going to Mass on Sunday, Office of Readings thru out the week, and Adoration on Wednesday, is a wonderful way to open my self to the Holy Spirit. The purpose of the Mass is Truth, not feelings.

The answer is yes, the TLM is better than the Novus Ordo. There I said it

Thanks so much for having Cameron on your show. I attend Holy Family in Dayton and absolutely love it! It feels like home to me, it feels like heaven touching earth.

I grew up with the TLM, and left after Vatican II. I've only been back since Dec 2019, and I was appalled at the first Mass I'd been to in 50 years. So here I was in what I learned is a NO Mass, the altar is in the center of a stage-like area, no altar rail, and people wandering all over shaking hands and chatting at the "sign of peace"....which wasn't a thing when I left. I wondered what was next; were we all going to sing Kumbaya next?? Were we Protestants now and nobody told me?? And good grief, laity handling the Holy Eucharist!! That is sacrilege as far as I am concerned! And that's exactly what I told the pastor when I met with him later on. But what it all boils down to, as far as the Mass is concerned, is not what language it's in, but what is our relationship to Our Lord? I remember being taught in Catholic school that Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist, and of course yeah, yeah, He's present. But it really didn't hit home for me until one day a few months ago, during an ordinary Mass, nothing special going on. There was something extra special in the way the pastor spoke the words "Take this all of you and eat of it, for THIS IS my body...." and the look of sheer reverence on his face as he elevated the host, and I felt the full impact of the presence of Our Lord in the Eucharist. I had tears in my eyes as I received the Eucharist that day. That day changed everything for me. I can't get enough of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass now. It is the apex of my day. I don't care that it's not in Latin, that the altar is facing the wrong way, that we can't kneel for communion (well I can't cuz the priest would have to manually haul me back up if I knelt down to the floor!). None of that matters one piddly bit, because it's being in the presence of the Lord that matters to me.

Love your program always informative! God Bless you all!🙏🏻

The longer I'm away from in person Mass, the more questions & concerns I have. The corona virus becomes a pandemic taking over and suddenly we find the fonts empty???? If we really believe it's holy water, then why are we afraid of a virus. If we really believe we take the body and blood of Christ then why are we afraid to worship together? Why aren't we on our knees accepting Christ? Why is the government deciding when and how I worship? Why is it okay to shop in public, but not worship? How is it, the Church does not perform Mass or weddings outdoors until the government said it was the only way they could? I was able to go to confession, but I just can't accept making a reservation for mass, attend outside 6 feet away from everyone, face coverings, and receiving our Lord in the hand. When I hear people talk about the Latin Mass, I just want to cry b/c I've never experienced it and yet it sounds exactly like what I am looking for. If King Inslee ever lets us out, I want to experience the Latin Mass.

I attend Latin mass on Sundays and the new mass on weekdays. I love and appreciate them both!! They both are wonderful

I really do not know when it comes to these matters. I have only very rarely had trouble having reverence at Holy Mass. I do know that I have seen not a few proponents of the Tridentine Mass speak with great pride and with disparage for the ordinary form of the Holy Mass and others speak of ways close to idolizing aspects of the extraordinary form. I have seen people attacking the Pope, Saints, and a valid ecumenical council and division in Christ's Mystical Body around this matter. All That when combined with the accompanying walling off attitude that was the reason Vatican II was needed at all being sometimes alive and well, and I regrettably struggle to disregard these fruits of the movement. That being said, it all saddens me greatly because I am uncertain if I can separate the Latin Extraordinary Holy Mass from all of that. Were it not for these, I likely would be quite fond of it. I pray the Lord break me of this. Through our Blessed Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen In another way though, I think what matters really in the end is the reading of Sacred Scripture, teaching application by the homily (Liturgy of the Word) and the Banquet and Sacrifice of the Holy Lamb of God in the Most Holy Eucharist (Liturgy of the Eucharist). That is principal all the rest ought serve that to the end of worship our Holy Triune God. How the forms have been pitted against one another, that I can not see being from God. That is where I take issue. I would most definitely attend a Latin Holy Mass if someone asked me to come with them, just as I would happily attend a Divine Liturgy of the Eastern Rites if asked or something else like an Ambrosian Rite Holy Mass. I am open to all the legitimate Tradition of Holy Mother Church. I do much prefer the vernacular but that is for only the practical reason that I have a harder time engaging if I do not understand the words. These are merely my humble opinion however, I hope they can be of any form of help.. God bless you!

A very good discussion. I take that back. A most excellent discussion. Each gentleman and Father weighed in fabulously.

Music at the Latin Mass is WAY superior! No sappy music that only old women 70 years+ like.

Wow, best show ever. So many fantastic points from all. Can't wait to see the film!

I was born in the 70's, so I only know the Novus Ordo (it's pretty much all I've been exposed to all my life). I used to think that we could just celebrate the Novus Ordo more reverently but I've abandoned this reasoning lately. There's just waaaaaaaay too much freedom and variety allotted to Parishes; and this is all done under the auspices and authority of the Bishops (who do nothing) - all based on the document, "Sacrosanctum Concilium", which allows for such variety and ambiguity when celebrating the Novus Ordo (read for yourself ). In once sentence it appears to preserve tradition, and then in the very next sentence it sanctions the opposite. In a typical Novus Ordo Parish there's more of an emphasis on 'feelings', 'participation', and 'emotional experience'. while we all gather around a table and, ''eat a communal meal." - I think this is what is imbibed just by visual observation. *If you read Article 7. of the 1969 General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM), when the New Mass was first published; there was no mention of the Mass being a Sacrifice (not even once), but says, "The Lord's Supper, or Mass, is the sacred meeting or congregation of the people of God assembled, the priest presiding, to celebrate the memorial of the Lord. For this reason, Christ's promise applies eminently to such a local gathering of holy Church: 'Where two or three come together in my name, there am I in their midst' (Mt. **18:20**)."* *So Transubstantiation, Real Presence, a Propitiatory Sacrifice offered to God for our sins, and the intrinsic value of the Eucharistic Sacrifice by a Priest, independent of the presence of the assembly, are not mentioned at all. (and the GIRM was a theological and doctrinal exposition of the New Mass).* After there was some objection to the New Mass by 'conservatives', the revisers tried to deny that the GIRM was a theological or doctrinal statement about the New Mass; *however, the reformers themselves had repeatedly said that the GIRM would explain the doctrinal and theological principles behind the New Mass.* *So what did they do? In 1970 the Vatican came out with a 'revised version' of the 1969 GIRM; but all they did was insert Tridentine terms in Article 7 alongside the protestantized terms of the 1969 GIRM; but the Mass itself was exactly the same.* So there was no real change at all to the actual theological and doctrinal elements that made up the Novus Ordo. The same protestantized theological and doctrinal elements of the 1969 version were still present in the 1970 version because it was the exact same Mass. . *There seems to be two competing theologies, between the average Novus Ordo Parish and a TLM Parish; and it even seems as if there are two different Churches existing within the same organizational structure.* The Novus Ordo has always been so protestantized and banal; it would be unrecognizable and completely foreign to any faithful Catholic in previous centuries. The average Novus Ordo Parish (with very few exceptions) no longer holds to Catholic orthodoxy.

I like the new one. My kid really likes the songs and I can sing them to him at night for bedtime.

If I may disagree with Ryan, I think the Latin will become the standard once more in the Western Church, even if the Norvus Ordo does implement the ad orientum, etc. The reason I say that is because of the fact that young men and women of my generation are coming to the Latin Mass in droves, as well as the fact that there is now a generation of kids that have been raised in the Traditional Rite. These young families will cause more Traditional parishes to crop up (they already are!). These kids are also getting schooled in Latin. You have clerics that are learning the Traditional Rite and celebrating it. The demand is there - all over the globe!

This channel makes me shiver.

If you gave a woman a diamond ring with a tin setting, would you say only thing that matters is the diamond? No, of course not. Therefore the eucharist likewise deserves a proper setting. The novus ordo aint it.

As regards Latin, there is something to be said about latin being one of the languages nailed to the cross with Christ which gives it a special place. In addition, since it is a "dead" language, it isn't constantly evolving like our vernacular languages are today

Question for next week, what is better the rosary or the Divine Mercy Chaplet. Answer: both. In this video/one-sided conversation you ask the wrong question and so you get the wrong answer. Different prayers and the different forms of the Holy Mass reach different personalities and people. Personal comparative and qualitative judgements or preferences do not apply. I am happy that you are edified by the Tridentine Mass and I am happy that others are drawn into prayer by the Novus Ordo. The Lord provides for all.

So happy to see you on this show, Cameron!!!

I have to say as a revert who attends the Novus Ordo Mass I've had an overwhelming experience of God's mercy and love for me. I do not believe that God reaches us better through one mass or the other. Because, we are always receiving Him. (And I don't believe that's what you're saying, either.) I don't understand Latin. For myself, I need to be able to understand what's being said. And many times what I hear moves me to tears. I have to admit I don't care for the music at a Novus Order, sometimes a priest jokes a little too much, and often times it's too loud when I come into the church... people are talking and that seems disrespectful. All that being said, I am open to educating myself on the Tridentine Mass and attending one close to me. Maybe I'll have to bring extra tissues.

I am a convert from a black Moody Baptist Church and 2 hour church services were all I had known. The sermon was 1hr by itself. This doesn't include extra time added for Communion Sunday (every 1st Sunday). Bring on longer masses! I'm not scared.😅

I appreciate the honest and respectful voices in this video. However, I am continuously confused by those who say "Apple pie has all the perfect qualities of a dessert, but apple sauce is just as sufficient." We do not attend Mass to please ourselves. If the TLM automatically lends itself to more reverence & less sacrilege, then why risk offering God anything else? Yes, the sacrifice is the same in both forms, but one is OBJECTIVELY superior if you are intending to worship God the way He demands. He cannot and should not receive anything less if a better option is available.

1:15 Yes Fr. Rich! We want to come back for The Eucharist!! I personally came back during Lent. Still here brothers!

"the way we pray drives what we believe". Reverence is everything. My soul, my prayer, my desire, is reverent no matter which mass. It's what I was taught, and have no problem with living. The mass itself calls for reverence. I come from a very traditionally Italian Catholic family. I so love this episode, like all of them.

Can’t be “more superior.” Superior means better; one who speaks English correctly can no more say “more superior” than “more better.”

I love this episode. I have never been to a Latin mass. I can see how great it would be.

Powerful prayer at the end, Father, thank you. I'm a Traditionalist and I would probably come to your Mass, at least to check it out. God Bless.

This is a breath of fresh air! I am a child of the old Latin Order and I believe it is difficult to go back, but we HAVE lost something in the actual devotion.

The solemnity aroused/supported in the TLM, especially toward the Eucharist ( on tongue while kneeling, with patent present to catch a dropped host) and only men at the altar and podium and only boys/men as servers and NO "eucharistic ministers" (only the hands of the priest) support the solemnity of the mass.

We are so engrossed with the superiority with both Masses and I find it very childish. The initial introduction sets it up. Don't understand why is the "Church" discussing this. It is good to know about our tradition. But a debate on which is superior? It is a waste of our intellectual resource.

As a Protestant with an increasing interest in Catholicism, I found this discussion so unhelpful. Most of it was a “comparison” between badly done common language liturgy and well done Latin liturgy. If I go to Mass, I want to know and understand what is being said and done. Latin was the language of the educated person in that day. That’s why the Mass came to be written and spoken in Latin. Nothing was said here that contradicted that. Jesus didn’t have his back to the disciples at the Last Supper. He spoke in the language they understood. At Pentecost, the Holy Spirit enabled the Apostles to preach the Gospel in the languages that the people could understand. What we need (in both Protestant AND Catholic Churches) is good, well ordered, liturgy. There is obviously room for both Latin and common language liturgies. It is surely not one versus another but both. For a new convert, there is so much to learn and appreciate that not knowing the language of the liturgy is a step too far.

I remember growing up with TLM. I would DEFINITELY support a return to mainstream Catholic churches. TLM gives a more insightful perspective into our Catholic faith and its rich traditions.

I have attended the Latin Mass for 20 years. Regular High Mass is about the same duration as the Novous Ordo. A solemn High Mass might be close to 2 hours, particularly on Maundy Thursday with the incensing and Eucharistic Procession to the "Tomb." My local parish Mass starts at 11 am until 12:15 weekly.

Is the latin mass better than the novus ordo? Yes.

To me, it is what I needed to strengthen my faith. The tlm I attend has all ages, male and female, young and old. all walks of life, etc. I cam show up dressed modestly with a veil and no one gives me a look compared to the novus ordo mass

Deep down I think we all know that the eastern Divine Liturgy is truly the best

I attended TLM with my Pépére (French Canadian for grandfather) and I love it. I miss hearing it and using my translator bible/ order of the Mass.

Catechesis is at the bottom of all of this. Listening to my parent's and grandparent's generations, the statistics you spout really only highlight what was already in existence in the church prior to VII. The social history of the times is something you never talk about. Catholics were already not being properly catechized so; people were not paying attention or invested in the mass, many had no Latin at all. It was not taught at home and it became an elective in schools, even in Catholic schools. More and more Catholic kids went to public schools as they became publicly funded - especially in Europe and the west. Social history explains why The Norvus Ordo came about, and it simply brought these problems within the Catholic Church to light. The Eucharist is in both forms of mass - full stop.

I am a convert, 2003, and I have only known the Novus Ordo. What makes me so sad is the abandonment of the magnificent liturgical music. A small band with songs from the new charismatic Protestant churches is a terrible loss. It becomes then nothing set apart. 😔