Is The New Hurricane Engine a Worthy Replacement To The Hemi? Yes and no...Let Me Explain 

There's no question that you're correct, the number of qualified techs is diminishing by the day. It doesn't help that the level of pay has not increased apace with the level of technical skills required.

I did 10 years with Chrysler/ Plymouth/ Dodge/ Jeep- left 17 years ago- competent , skilled, reliable techs are hard to come by these days . Cars are more complex today and there are a lot more careers out there that pay better and are far less strenuous on your body. 👍🏻👍🏻

I've own Chrysler products for most of my life with few exceptions and have always done my own work to avoid the mechanics that think they are smarter than the engineers and worked from manuals for the most parts. Every engine has its little quirks and resolving those issues is a plus and comes with experience with each engine. The engine I once owned, and miss was my 1967 426 Hemi, solid lifters always set at .028 intake and .032 exhaust cold. Loved the sound and the complaints from everyone that there was something wrong with my engine because it was not supposed to sound like it did.

Retired 2011, Chrysler tech. 30 years. Ended up at a municipality waste water plant. Heavy Equipment Operator now. God I don’t miss flat rate times.

the hemi is pretty reliable overall

Good info!

Excellent info. Thanks Tom. Wonder what the engine weight difference would be?

5.7 for me. It's older so I would put more trust in it over the long run.

I guess when you are a technician like the creator who can repair anything wrong with an engine you have the luxury of caring more about exhaust tones.

Con: GM Pro: I6

@@mattbakerg literally why im getting a used 15 era charger lol

L if it ain’t loud and obnoxious it ain’t worth it

​@@mattbakerg im much more worried about Dodge thinking they can reliably manufacture a engine that is twin turbo and dual cam and whooopity whoo. Cuz yknow Dodge is SO well known in the automotive world for the badass power capacity and reliable 1000hp 2JZ supra engine. Oh shit, i screwed that all up. Dodge ISN'T at all known for any sort of reliability as of the last maybe 5-7years. Certainly not the minivans and trucks

It's why I bought my Grand with a Hemi, I'll never let her go lol

Yea it's just a different type of power/feel altogether. I definitely think there's an audience for this engine, just don't think a lot of die hard Hemi guys will transfer over as you will.

That would be an incredibly fast combo in that light of a vehicle!

238000 miles on my 5.7 hemi, oil pan gasket was replaced under warranty though. Is that reliable?

That's the direct injection, those injectors are quite loud. 👍

That's why I directly compared it to the 6.4 Hemi version of the same exact vehicle. Some people want the rumble, some people don't. 👍

I doubt it will happen, but I'd love to see what the SRT engineers ould squeeze out of this engine if they were allowed to develop it for a performance application.

Couple more years and you could be right 🤔

Oh Europeans and their EV shit. For God sake, most people buying these cars probably want a hemi not EV. They want to hear the sound of the engine. That's why Dodge is trying to mimic the hemi sound in their next ev challenger.

@@fahdabdulaziz5067 Most people buying this car does so out of three reasons. They want a comfortable premium car. They want others to envy their premium car. They have to much money to spend on a car. If you want to hear a V8, buy a muscle car, not a living room on wheels. This car can’t corner, it can’t outrun anything more than a Econobox or a buss.

I don't think any manufacturers have an OEM oil catch can due to maintenance issues--most buyers wouldn't know how to dump them. The one positive thing I would say about Ford and the new 5.0 in their Mustangs is that they offer a duel injection. The engine goes from direct injection back to port to clean the intake. Now, if only they would eliminate the plastic oil pan on them!

Definitely longer, one less cylinder head, 2 less cylinders. Less heat and friction.

For sure. When they put it in the Charger and Challenger, we're sure to get a moderately loud i6 growl instead of this muffled mess

@CptLang97 yeah, you can definitely hear in the video how restricted and muffled the engine is.

The turbos themselves will act to muffle out any good exhaust note, to smooth it out. Now, working over a muffler at the manufacturing level can bring some of the exhaust note out, but it will never be the same as a good-running V8

@@CptLang97 the charger and challenger are done after this year

There’s a video out there of a straight piped hurricane…. That things a monster

As long as it won't be advertised as a muscle car engine, they have a great platform on their hands.

i have a 5.7 hemi. Was thinking of camming it this year and turboing next. But idk if i want to now cause I've always loved TT I6's. Im on the fence now. What's your experience with v8's vs i6's?

@@tstproductions2913 Hemis are simple and cheap to fix/replace. TT I6s are more mechanically complex, and we don't know the reliability of the new engine yet. It should be fine though. If you want more power and don't mind the slight lag, get the TT I6. If you just want low end torque and the rumble of a V8, stick with the hemi.

@@V8_Diva im tired of you people who think a v8 is needed for a muscle car, 69 charger 440 had like 230rwhp... using power as the baseline, a prius is a formidable muscle car. Having the main goal as performance with more power to weight than the similar year commuter cars. I had a factory lt350 81 camaro that due to California laws had to have a buick 231 (gm called it a 350eq), thing with a new top end and aggressive cam, dual exhaust, hei upgrade, had around 400rwhp with a v6, n/a. A charger with 500hp is a muscle car no matter the number of pistons. -sincerely a 65 nascar 413rb, 2 16+ 6.4 hemis, and a 5.7 hemi pre eagle owner

@@HansBelphegor I don't think you should go around assuming things about others and writing an entire essay arguing against someone you're making up in your own head. I don't personally give a fuck. I'm just saying that the way they advertise the car is going to have a BIG impact on whether people like it or not. If you throw a TT I6 into a Charger and advertise it as a luxury performance sedan, it will go over as well as any luxury performance sedan would. If you put that same engine in that same car and then say "new muscle", A) Muscle car buyers aren't buying it B) Luxury 4-door drivers aren't buying it either. It's not going to sell. You are winning shower arguments here dude.

I didn't want to say it in the video, but these grand wagoneers are garbage 🤣. I'm really not a fan of this platform at all, so many problems!

All the more reason not to buy the first model year.

Aaaand you expected what from the French?

@@ReignitedAuto the problem isn't in the platform itself . It's based on the ram 1500 platform .

@@ReignitedAuto my pot smoking stay at home friend you’re getting high way too much and I can tell you don’t know anything because you’re not familiar with the Ford triton engines that Ford engineered with disastrous problems for a decade or the two failed power stroke diesel‘s one of which was discontinued on the second year yeah you might want to get educated or at least try to or maybe you’re not familiar with all of the Chevy SUVs and cars that have ridiculous problems and are being rebuilt at 30 to 50,000 miles which is a breaking for an average Chrysler you forget who has 35 year old jeeps on the road and look around in your town. I guarantee you you’re looking at Dodge Durango‘s that are 20 years old that people drive and forget about them. Mine has 300,000 miles on it and has yet to even put a water pump on it so my friend friend or my Chevy junk driver you’re clueless.

There is no point in the 5.7 now, the standard output I6 makes more power, more power at lower RPM, emits less C02 and is more fuel efficient.

@@TomazHilton The hurricane 6 has direct injection, turbo charging, and EGR. It also uses high pressure fuel delivery and cylinder deactivation. That’s all well and good on paper but that’s a lot of expensive equipment that’s going to be difficult to repair. It’s designed to run hotter to reduce emissions, but it reduces the service life of the components. A stock gen 3 Hemi is relatively simple to maintain and mod without breaking the bank and can last well over 300,000 miles if properly maintained. Its been around 20 years so there’s plenty of affordable aftermarket parts and mods. It’s not always about power and fuel cost, the cost and easy of repairs make a big difference.

@@vr4787 my guy, just about 95% of engines today, even in a lowly Camry has all of that.

@@TomazHilton they can keep it, I’ve done enough wrenching to know the simpler an engine is the less trouble it is to keep going and the Hemi is as simple as they get today. Plus the I6 needs 91 octane to get the max horsepower & torque and isn’t much better mpg wise. My modded Ram 1500 hemi will do 16-18 mpg city and 23-25 mpg highway doing 70 mph on eco88. The I6 is just an overcomplicated expensive answer for emissions.

@@TomazHilton what camry uses turbos with gdi?

Straight 6 engines are very stable and tend to last a long time. Tuned correctly, they can put out well into the 700 800 HP range. They are building out 4.0 jeep engines that can get close to 1000 HP right now in the aftermarket.

Provided this engine is reliable, I'd buy that.

The next Dakota will probably have the Pentastar V6 or a turbo 4 banger.

@@briandonald Gag me with a spoon haha

@@kailuagarage 😂

Yes it would be interesting compared to the old 1991 s-10 with the 4.3 V6 and a 5 speed manual

Dude you are comparing an SUV To a car and a inline 6 to a V8. Not only that an inline 6 that puts down more power than your V8 and saying it lacks performance.

@Wolf G. yeah, this was a weird comment. Put the 5.7 or the PW 6.4 in this, and the performance would realistically be worse with even worse fuel economy to top it off. And a 6-figure luxury car is supposed to be quiet, this isn't marketed to muscle and sports car owners lmao

The Pentastar 3.7 is not a performance engine. But is a very poorly designed engine. It has a lot of design problems and a lot of failure points. I have a 2003 Mustang with the 3.8L pushrod V6. It is a solid engine that does have one problem. Because it uses a cast iron block and aluminum heads, which expand at different rates, they tend to have head gasket failures. Ford should have used cast iron heads and they would have had a bulletproof engine. My head gaskets have been replaced with some of a much newer design that are supposed to hold up to the different expansion rates of the block and heads much better. So far so good. It is not hard to change the head gaskets on the Ford 3.8L, because it is a pushrod design, and there are no overhead cams, multiple 5 foot long cam chains, guides, and tensioners to deal with. No variable valve timing either.

@@geraldscott4302 I'd rather see an aluminum block. That's a common setup with iron block/au heads.

​@@ItsDaJax I'm 63, and totally old school. I believe engines should be built out of iron. I have built old school small block Chevys that lasted past 500,000 miles with just normal maintenance (oil changes every 3000 miles) and replacing the timing chain every 70,000 miles.

@@geraldscott4302 Nothing wrong with an all iron engine- they seem to be able to hold boost really well, if anything. When I think performance, I want something light. Although sometimes you don't have a choice and iron it is, if what you want only comes that way. I think a steel block would be a good medium, honestly.

@@geraldscott4302 Would you say the Ford 3.8 with matching head and block materials is a better engine than the GM 3.8?

Yeah I thought everyone knew that in-line 6s don’t rev that high usually lol

​@@42ambrociothis is true, but I love the sound of an inline six. I especially love the sound of my 92 4.0. 🤌🏼

I think for sure it'll end up in the 1500 at some point.

Needs to replace the 6.4 in the 2500's. Fords 7.3 is destroying the 6.4

Not to mention, a lot of people don't want forced induction. Give me the NA 6.4 in a half-ton and I'd be set forever.

@@pwned2002 The 6.4 doesn't compete with the 7.3 it competes with the 6.2 and the new 6.8 and the chevy 6.6. This engine would likely not last in an HD truck either it's just too small. Powerful yes but it wouldn't hold up to heavy towing all the time. They need a new large displacement engine possibly the new gas version of the 6.7 cummins or a new 426 hemi.

I’ve owned a couple straight 6 cars… nothing compares to it in terms of smoothness

3.0 pushing 500hp? The more power you push thru a smaller package the shorter the lifespan.

yeah, I beat the shtt out my 98 cherokee. 100mph everywhere.

That 4.0 was a great motor. This new one I don't think it will last as long.

@@timhanson2080 yeah, it's a scam. to get money back from the cost of part's

One of my favorite engines- just hate the non crossflow head.

If you get a Jeep Wrangler with this engine and try to use it on a jeep trail, or even just a dirt road at low speeds, you will run into the problem of low engine speed (typically around 1000-1500 rpm off road) the engine speed will be insufficient to get the turbos to pressurize, thus you're effectively running a 3-liter, 6 cylinder engine on natural aspiration, and it will not perform well in that application. What all Jeep off-roaders want is an engine with LOTS of torque at low engine speeds, but anybody's turbo does not deliver any torque at creeping over rocks speeds. I live in a small town in the Colorado mountains, and the local Jeep dealer doesn't even stock Wranglers with the optional Turbo-4 engine. This engine has good power at speed under load, but as far as going off road on Jeep trails, it has the power of a lawnmower. When the Turbo4 was first offered on Wranglers the dealer ordered one, but it grew cobwebs because nobody had any faith in what performance it would deliver offroad. Even with "real rockcrawling enthusiasts" you will never see one of their rock-crawlers running a turbo; its either a good-sized V8 with natural aspiration, or with a positive displacement supercharger which delivers positive boost even at idle.

I completely agree with you. I’ll take the 392. What’s funny to me is that they could have made a twin turbo fully forged lower compression block made for much cheaper than it took to make the hurricane. Then just transfer over an electric motor for the front wheels making it awd hybrid. Best of all worlds yet chose the bmw way with out the years of experience having the majority of your clients loving v8 🤣. Bad business move dodge. the sad part is the majority of people would rather by a caravan or a gas efficient clunker that’s slow than a v8 muscle car. Yeah blame the people being cool with bs average mommy mini vans which is sadly the majority. Which proves my point in nearly every aspect for population in nearly every realm of life it’s a fact that maybe 20% of people are smart the other 80% not so much. Case in point the state of our country and the choices that lead us here yet dudes still there 🤣. Facts are America has changed quite a bit from being gun toting driving Mach 2 with your hair on fire listening to metal driving a big loud v8 with you middle finger in the sky is over. Now we’re more worried about color, sex changes, identification, and thugin to know what’s good for the majority of people not just what’s good for a select group screwing or canceling everyone else. If it were up to me I would kick out all manufacture that aren’t American then make them pay to ship here. Then all American made out side the us for a buck and shipped in will be discounted to the public as it is lower quality. Then build everything by hand built quality then exported plus sold domestic the way it was intended. Prices will be higher but so will pay. Can even upmark our cars to outside countries because they will perform better cutting the cost to the American providing jobs and closing boarders so our generations can continue to be able to enjoy land in the future without over population. Crazy how that works everything is tied together in the world which can reflect in a countries sold goods and economy even down to the vote. Sorry for the book. Anyways thanks for the new vehicle info man. As always great content have a wonderful day 👍.

Does the new inline 6 need higher than 89 octane? This will be great in the Jeep Wrangler and Gladiator. I could care less about any other application in any other vehicles. I see various people making these videos with everything but a Wrangler or Gladiator which both have the terrible V6 junk in them . This i6 will be a huge seller in the Gladiator or Wrangler, but it sure would be nice to see Jeep throw one in and get a video out.

@@vicranger6876 I think it will be a better motor than the 3.6. Comes forged with boost. Already better for those vehicles not the hellcat or anything else heavy but jeeps sure. Not to say they can’t. As far as running on lower octane probably will be able to. You can tune it to if you don’t like it I’m sure.

Before you even started talking I was looking at the gloves...lol Maybe because they are orange? Start selling them you can corner the market!

Orange hands bad

Yep, you could buy a small house and 40 acres of land in Mississippi for that kind of 💰 money...

@@josephdoby6411 Who the hell wants to live in Mississippi? The state with the lowest average IQ. Hard pass.

BMW M340 (in-line 6 turbo) burned 4 quarts of oil in a 40,000 mile test. BMW says that’s “normal.” 🤔

This engine is only 182ci. It might not be robust enough for its hp.

Less vibrations.

This engine only has a 3.54 inch stroke for reference the 6.4 hemi as a longer stroke of 3.72 inches.

@@tomdell9836 You are correct. I haven't seen any curves, but I would suspect the turbo engine will still create more torque at a lower rpm by nature. The naturally aspirated engine will need to rev to get more air into the engine. This means more friction and parasitic losses at higher rpms. The turbo will be more efficient.

Commies takin our hemis 👎🏻

I must be the only one who puts premium fuel in their Hemi 😂

@@Radley97 I have a 2020 jeep SRT. It takes premium too

Sixes can't make torque? haha. My 6.7 Cummins HO makes a thousand ft lb.

Hemi and LS til I die

But just remember there’s millions of V-8’s out there..

for sure. im really just talking about something completely stock with low miles. there's so many trucks out there that are modified or lifted, or beat to shit, or have a million miles on them

Same here... I have a Jeep Commander with the 5.7 HEMI. I'll never part with it!

Only when it comes to sound.

Love that comment…no replacement for displacement….classic!

New engines are more powerful & better mpg..

@@Mroswaldo16 And last about 1/2 the life of a non-turbo 4 or 6 cyl. No thanks!

I think it is damped to fit into environmental standards

@@Vadim_Andr. Would make sense

initial torque may be limited off the line to save the driveline due to the weight of the vehicle.

Nah the straight 6 in my Ram 3500 DRW does great.

No question in a smaller vehicle this engine would be special!

A major feature of the V8 is sound alone, yes EV can be faster but they feel soulless... Combustion engines from a Vespa all the way to a Bugatti have that X factor that is unrelated to performance.

Put it in a Dodge Dart and watch it go lol

@@GloomToon this! ☝️

@@GloomToon Discontinued in '16.

I love that v8 feel and sound of the Hemi

I'm not a fan of direct injection myself. It's primary benefit is extraordinary precise fueling, which benefits emissions control, snore!

That would rip if you could get it to hook up. But you'd probably just sit there smoking tires

100% agree that this engine will come to life in a smaller platform.

@reignitedauto you should do a Dakota Build with it to see how it really works. Inquiring Dakota owners would like to know.

@@TheNinjaKnight1 I would love to get my hands on one of these engines at some point.

Rock crawlers such as the Wrangler Rubicon go up trails at low engine speeds. At low engine speeds there isn't much in the way of air intake or, especially, exhaust pressure. The engine is running at 1000-1500 rpms with the throttles closed. The result: at low throttle openings, there's almost no pressurized air pushing on the turbo impeller, so they're not pumping pressurized air into the engine. The result.? driving a Wrangler on Jeep trails will be like driving a normal aspiration small displacement straight 6. Turbos require substantial throttle openings to get enough pressure against the turbine wheel to pump in enough air to make a difference.

​@@bobkonradi1027but you want to go slow when you are on the trail right?

This thing could be really fun in a Durango!

@@ReignitedAuto I hope so. The performance of the Durango is one of the reasons she had liked them. I just am nervous buying a new, real world, untested engine. Who knows it may prove to be bullet proof. 🤞

I'd wait a few years before buying a new engine from any manufacture.

They have crate engines for these. The cat 1, cat 3, and cat X. The latter of them is rated at 1,000hp. It should hold up pretty well, based on this.

@@allanb3222 Don't count your chickens before they hatch. History will show more than a few engines that were touted as groundbreaking, "Ward's 10 best list", and such, turned out to be lackluster, at best. I worked for CDJ when the Pentastar launched, myself, and two other techs were supposed to go to Dearborn for training, but none of the Pentastar powered vehicles would make a 4 hour trip across the state without going into limp mode before making it to Grand Rapids, and mind you, the training was for "Pentastar specialist" techs, who would go on to get screwed on warranty flat rate to replace cylinder heads by the hundreds. Same company, by the way. (Stellantis owns them, blah blah they own Fiat, and 15 others, too) I treat it with cautious optimism, only time will tell.

I worked for Federal-mogul when the Pentastar came out and we made the bearings for the engine. They were having so many issues that they started trying to blame parts suppliers like us. I have a 2012 JK that I bought used and it appears the driver side head has been replaced. I installed a supercharger at around 84,000 miles and it's at almost 134,000 miles now and seems to be doing fine.

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Good luck. Dodge don't do that

@@thetrollwhoknows9928 you're right they've never put a 6 cylinder in a smaller platform 🙄

@@david92xj not if it makes 500 HP. A motor is motor it don't matter how many cylinders is got only how much air it can move. If they did put it in a smaller platform it would be so detune so they wouldn't get sued from wrecks. Even the gigantic boat hellcat is detuned for safety.

@@thetrollwhoknows9928 well let's just say I know some things and I know the i6 has seen 4 digits.

I’m trying to contact you. I have a ‘20 1500 Classic 2 door short bed 5.7. It’s not remotely quick. 2 years old with 5,500 miles and I’m ready to give up because of the pain it is to get a tune. Anyway, my solution is the torqstorm supercharger. The big one that runs 600 bwh. If I can get it done I’m guessing $10k should do it. I would love to pick your brain to ask is this worth the effort and money? Any mods to a classic is a task to begin with but it’s already paid off and selling, I’ll lose my ass. Am I better off to dump it and build a blazer Xtreme with a 500 HP LS swap?

Yes, but which of them have twin turbos? Most small displacement turbo engines have huge problems. Lotus tried to do it. Ford tried to do it. I have my doubts that FCA can do it. I admit I am a hemi fan.

@@gsc512 2JZ

@@Bpf1893 exactly? 👍👌

@@Bpf1893I did forget about the Toyota. It seems that the recipe is all the same materials and strong so to eliminate heat issues from forced induction and faster moving internals. I'd rather have a hemi

I think this thing is a snapshot of the USA in a nutshell 😄

@randyrobey5643 How much would you pay for your life?

@@Vadim_Andr. Driving a tank like this makes you a threat to everyone else.

All of that weight is because of the ludicrous regulations imposed by the Federal Government and the demands of the people who buy them.

@@randyrobey5643 you don't value your life

Just think newer badder ass 2jz. I bet if you do direct air intakes, a nice bigger flowing exhaust and tune. It would be a reliable 650 to 700 whp engine all day long. And heck you’d get the kids to soccer practice on time every time. 100# facts my guy

I guess you like paying over $100.00 to fill your tank on a weekly basis.

The direct injection issues are by far my biggest worry about this engine. I can't wait to see the first ones with 100k on them and see how they handle it. 👍

Waiting a couple years is always the smart choice on a brand new platform.

I believe that noise you are hearing is the direct injection, this injectors are pretty loud.

Unfortunately, there is no word on ram doing anything….. I would not be surprised if they don’t even do a refresh for 2024 the way things are going..

It will be I'm sure, they just wanted to soft release it first.