Is the Olympics killing martial arts??? 

Satoshi Ishii on the Oliver Taza podcast: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TXZtB-28SAI.html

My man. Judo need its own version of Karate Combat. A professional Judo league with its own rule set. I’d be 100% behind something like that

Without leg grabs, the taller opponent has a great advantage over you. But nobody really talks about it

I totally agree,leg grabs and pick up throws were my favourite judo moves and it's a pity they are no longer allowed

Getting better at judo shouldn’t come at the expense of becoming a better all around grappler. What burns me up is seeing instructors who treat the IJF’s rules as technical improvements and saying that Judoka are better for it. The problem with Olympic-style competition is that most schools just train for that and only that. It wouldn’t be such a big deal if that style of competition was treated as recreational compared to learning the rest of Judo. It would be cool if schools trained for multiple rulesets, but I’m not sure how popular that would be. Quintet is a mixed-style grappling league and unfortunately the Judo teams do okay, but never make it to the top against BJJ and wrestling teams.

It's been obvious for a long time that once a martial arts become an Olympic sport the whole martial art becomes watered down. Boxing, wrestling, Judo, TKD, karate, they were all watered down after becoming Olympic sports. Boxing and wrestling are the strongest martial arts/combat sports followed by Judo because even in their modern watered down forms they dominate other martial arts/combat sports. Old school boxing was more like MMA striking today heavily incorporating fighting in the clinch, and old school wrestling is basically catch wrestling. Old school Judo was probably the most complete martial art, I think it even included some palm strikes along with all the other things they don't really teach anymore

I've never met a judoka how was favorable of the leg grabs ban, hope one day the turn back this decision, much more people will be atractive to the art.

The problem when you have a sport in the Olympics is that is what everyone wants to shoot for. That's one of the main reasons I do not want to see Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu in the Olympics. As it is now you have two main bodies: The IBJJF and ADCC. You can train to compete under a wide rule set without everything being geared towards one

Short answer, yes. Sports are ruining martial arts. Judo was made to be a martial art. NOT a sport. Kano NEVER wanted Judo to be a sport. He warned us about this. Judo was made to be a modern form of Jujutsu and to not only preserve Jujutsu’s legacy, but also bring a mortalistic value and principle to help modern practitioners learn Jujutsu with structure and not such savagery. To benefit mankind. To better ourselves. To look past our old and savage ways and be able to defend ourselves without using relying on brutality. Yes, Judo is a dangerous art and can be used for killing intent like Jujutsu originally was. BUT, Judo teaches us how to use them responsibly and give a moral on whether we should or not. “Jujutsu are merely just techniques. Judo is a way of life.” Kano said that and I stick by it.

Yes. The Olympics are ruining martial arts and it pisses me off,

I 100% agree about money and competition ruining the spirit of martial arts (and everything). I feel the same way about BJJ competition - the further people drift from an actual fight, the less I find it useful. Also, loved the triangle at 10:03 by that Charles Dickens character-looking dude. 😂

Freestyle Judo in america should be bigger. It would solve the issue. An international federation with freestyle rules.

True masters are an endangered species. I don't look for trophies. I look for impeccable technique. I look for being in amazing shape. Consuming natural foods and herbs. Fasting periodically and meditating. Daily progressive practice. Overcoming fears. Philosophical wisdom. Teaching ability. How can you be considered a true master if you are not good at teaching and passing on your knowledge? All of those things and more make a true master.

One day i'll be sensei and teach traditional judo in my dojo, as it really was in the beggining. I don't like this limited judo. Students deserve to learn real judo.

If there are any Judokas of faith out there please let''s remember Rickson Gracie in our prayers. He has been diagnosed with Parkinson's disease.

ok, so, Shintaro Higashi has kind of covered this. Essentially for all that want to train to get to shodan we need streams. The competitor stream and the non-competitor stream. They will not be graded under the same rules and competitors competition results will determine rank. Under this style of system competitors will be doing a sport, the non-competitor will be focused on the martial art aspect of Judo. Secondly, different rule-sets. Non IJF competitions with non IJF/ Olympic rules

So this interesting, apparently I heard from my Judo instructor that it was the Japanese heads in the IJF that complained about leg grabs because the Eastern Bloc and Americans were so good at them and the Japanese were falling behind when it came to international competition. Which is unfortunate because if Judo kept its leg throws and newaza alive as much as it did upper body throws. It would be a much more popular sport today or at least recognized as a very well rounded grappling art.

Yes Chadi. It is destroying marital arts.

You are absolutley right!!! Leg grabs should be allowed again!!! If they have ban it at the olympics sad but ok, BUT why have leg grabs been banned also in the Judo world champion chips?? There is only Judo, and no wrestling to compare with

There should be competetive judo rules (olympic rules) and none competetive judo rules (which includes leg grabs and old school style) AND also a IJF Newaza rule (No footlocks/kneebars)

Are the olympics are harming or benefitting Judo? I think both. It is undoutable that the olympics has helped the proliferation of Judo. Governments support the sport and it has helped it grow into every country and National level competitors are some of the best Judoka their are. I belive it is the casual practitioners who suffer the most from the sports element of Judo. The harm comes not from the olympics itself but the sportification of the art. As Kano said; "Judo in reality is not merely a sport or a game". “Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself.” - Kano Jigoro The focus on Judo as a sport takes away from the study of Judo as an Art. This is true for every Martial Art that has a sport element. From point Karate to BJJ. Sports require rules to protect the competitors but in combat there are no limitations on use of force.

Same with tae kwon do...

I have been following your work continuously. I love playing hane goshi and uchimata. I appreciate what you said about these two techniques. that many people cannot distinguish even in Japan itself I want you to tell me the history. Kano's disciple who invented Hane goshi. I taught the traditional ushimata throw, like in nage no kata, which is purely leg technique. Many athletes won't like it because it doesn't use hip support like Ushimata mix Hane goshi.

Chadi, Love your channel. I have to disagree with you a little on this one though. As a Judoka who has experience with Olympic level Judokas and the path they walk I feel that {1}. having Judo in the Olympics has allowed it to Judo to be spread throughout the world much more had it not been in the Olympics. As you know and have experienced there is a great showing of international comradery throughout Judo. You can go anywhere in the world and if there is a Judo club they will welcome you with smiles and open arms. (2) . The spirit of what Kano was teaching from a cultural perspective is still there. These people you meet at international games become lifelong friends. When it comes to the grabbing of the legs I feel it has made Judo better as a sport and martial art. I know there will be many who disagree with me but hear me out. (3). In Kata the way they walk funny is because originally Kata is designed to be wearing full samurai armor. If you are in battle with an opponent who has 2 swords the last move you will want to do is a double leg which will expose the back of your neck while leaving his hands free to stab you there or anywhere on you back spine. controlling the arms is controlling his weapons also landing in a way from a seonagi allows you to remain in a dominant position fro attack. I'm not talking about makikomi but still being able to land on them , roll out and then stand up immediately to a sword strike position is better than burying your head into your opponents belly. (4). The rules of Judo push the action. Training to be explosive in your movements and finish a fight as fast as humanly possible is more of what real fights are about. Gripping is everything..BJJ don't grip that well and if they knew more about grip fighting it would definitely help their sport. The rule of no stalling also is a fantastic rule. This pushes the action and forces the fighters to never ever let your guard down even if you are ahead you CAN NOT REST! Similar to boxing. All of these competition rules evolve in and out of the sport of Judo. It is the sport that allows Judo to push its players to the highest level of a human athlete grappler on the planet. Sorry for the long winded comment but I feel the spirit is still there and is global. I teach judo and I have also done BJJ. I get many BJJ students who come to Judo and fall in love with the sport not only from and excitement sport perspective but from a culture perspective. Thank You for listening.

I just hate the watered down versions that corrupt the martial art for entertainment purposes. The spirit of judo was to be useful, not scoring points like Tae Kwon Do. Must be useful for a realistic fight

I did graduate studies in history and probably the number one myth outside of field is the belief that progress and the passage of time are always correlated. Or, in other words, the belief that “new” is also a measure of value. There is some truth in that-technological advancement is a good example (although there are some exceptions). But when it comes to human production: religion, philosophy, art, culture, *martial arts*… these things tend to ebb and flow. We’re actually pretty consistent in these areas. People really need to stop viewing martial arts through the broad lens of “progress” and more as just developments in individual meta games. What this video argues is that a shift towards a different meta game-one at least partially based on an older rule set-would be healthier for the art of Judo. I think people try too hard to view martial arts in general as a science when it really isn’t. You need to treat it like a science in practice, but understand it’s ultimately a cultural thing. Much like history in academia, you have to treat it like a science while recognizing that it isn’t one. You don’t “push martial arts forward” like a science, but rather interpret it like you would literature or philosophy or history. I’m not entirely sure I agree with every specific detail of Chadi’s proposed changes, but I *do* think people need to realize that sometimes progress can be found in the past. Sometimes changes are just bad and sometimes our predecessors made decisions for logical, fairly timeless reasons. We aren’t any more enlightened than they were, really. At the bare minimum, its a discussion that ought to be had.

Compartilho do mesmo pensamento que você Chadi. Também desejo praticar o judô por toda a vida. Sua história e filosofia é fenomenal. Tenho lido muito material de estudo e recebido conhecimento dos judocas veteranos. Possuo grande admiração pelas varridas de perna. Desejo que em algum momento o judô possa encontrar equilíbrio, para bem estar de todos.

Man, you've grown. Wonderful video.

I've started to practice Taekwondo in 1989. At that time,the train was tough. Often, break arms happening.

Before the Olympic versions, the "traditional" branches of modern Karate and the two federations of Taekwondo were already ruined by deliberate handicaps from the founder of modern Karate Do and Dai Nippon Butoku Kai. How do I know they were scrappy versions of Tote Jutsu or the old version of Karate that already existed before 20th century? They deliberately abandoned Tegumi (Okinawan wrestling) and Kakedameshi (free sparring for combative applications) to turn those unarmed systems into recreational sport and physical education for Japanese schoolchildren since the start of 20th century. Without those two structures of training, you cannot have the right and practical experiences to figure out the unothodox applications of those isolated techniques and postures within their forms. Kata came from Kumite, not the other way around. Also, there are offshoots of Judo which retain the banned methods and don't get ruined by the Olympics such as the modern remnants of US Army's combat Judo and Freestyle Judo Federation in the US.

Kano Shihan was reticent about Judo going into the Olympics, at first, and later he said to regret it. This is because he was a man ahead of his time, and people like this use to have the ability to foresee the destiny of things. Not long before his passing Kano Shihan also told his dearest Kodansha that Judo had already began its journey into decline. Probably he saw the dilemma: Judo needed to be in the Olympics so to be effectively spread around the world, conveying its benefits to people; but also, the IOC would charge the price by continuously interfering and thus crippling the art until it becomes unrecognizable - which is not far. Unfortunately, nowadays we see many Judoka defending the rules change ordered by the IOC but this is because they either are so loyal that fail to realize they're being manipulated or they gotta play along to keep their jobs. But now Judo is stronger; if the IJF stood up to bring back the core rules and standard refereeing (something I always mention), would the IOC dare to ban Judo from the Olympics? I don't think so. By the way, removing Wrestling from the Olympics would be so outrageous as removing the 100 meters dash. You are right in saying that every age has its pros and cons, and that today our pros are very good. But we gotta stand up for the core principles of our art.

As a practioner of TKD, Judo, Archery and Wrestling and a Teacher of Karate, Boxing and Classical Fencing, i can say that every art that has been turned into an Olympic sport has been watered down, distorted and deminished. Any idea of needing the olympics for spreading the art or fame is nonsense: Capoeria, Eskrima, Muay Thai, Sumo, Brazillian Jiujutsu and multiple various forms of Kung Fu has spread and prospered world wide without the Olympics and are well known in the martial arts world regardless. If the Olympics ended tomorrow we would still have these arts.

Long time follower, but i just subbed for this one. Solid work as always, but this one will strike a chord with any real Judoka

I got to a high level in Judo in the late 1980s, and then stopped for school and work. I went back when I was in my 30s for fitness. Holy cow. It was like a different sport. More over, the rules didn't make sense. Why can't I grab legs? Why can't I take ten seconds on the ground to get into position? More over, it surprised me how utterly useless younger kids were. I'm in my 30s, out of shape, and had been away from the sport for over ten years... yet I'm tearing old teens apart and their only come back is "You can't do that." They had almost no defense against these. Yes, you need rules for sports, but the 2000s chances moved the sport way to far away from a form of self-defense to the point I felt like I was fighting with a bucket on my foot. I kept wondering how useless many "modern" Judoka would be against wrestlers, BJJ guys, or just an unskilled person going for their legs. I didn't stay long. I tried BJJ. It suffers it's own rules issues -- the wanting to drop to guard is just asking to get the crap kicked out of you and is generally a bad plan in most self-defense situation. For me pre-2000s Judo was much better for self-defense, as a logical sport, etc. IMO, changing for the Olympics was the wrong move. I'm sure far more people have used Judo for self-defense than have ever gone to the Olympics. Now, if you want self-defense, you need to do Judo and BJJ, or BJJ and boxing or something.

I love your Chanel,,, i agree is very important the rules change

Judo has a far bigger reach staying in the olympics rathan than just being its own thing. Without the olympics we would lose reach in many countries. Bjj had a massive growth because americans love wrestling and bc of this it grew strong together with the UFC phenomena. Judo has its own submissions whatever, but didnt have the same apppeal. This is why I stand strong with Judo staying alive in the Olympics. I do agree that being in the games takes some thins away from our art and its sad. But it is what it is you know? I think we would end up being a far smaller comunity without being in the Olympics. A solution would be to make pressure on our federations so that it reaches the IJF for reinstating some hand grabbing leg techniques.

I dion't know... I am a completely newcomer but the leg grabs don't look aesthetically pleasing to me, it seems "easier" to do. Of course its just my opinion.

I agree judo competitions should be free to play. on the basis of not harming athletes Don't focus on the difference with wrestling. Instead, develop techniques beyond wrestling and other martial arts.

It was Japan that pushed for these rule changes, just like they pushed for the changes to grip fighting after the London Olympics. It has more to do with helping Japan win than improving Judo .

I think karate combat changed the people view karate and that makes me happy because I train in a more old school karate and I think the Olympics don’t understand martial arts or anything about karate judo especially jiujitsu they watered down the rules I could be wrong I don’t watch the Olympics but how come wrestling and boxing aren’t watered down

Is it crazy i recognized the highlights of the 1993 world championships immediately? Im a Judo nut

"Then the olympic games are so strongly flavored with nationalism that it is possible to be influenced by it and to develop "contest judo", a retrograde form as ju-jitsu was before the Kodokan was founded". He really could tell from a mile away what was coming, couldn't he. That being said, I completely disagree with you, judo should be in the olympics and the academies should have "competition classes", where the students practice following IJF rules, and "traditional classes", where they practice judo as it was conceived by Kano-sensei, kani-basami, kata-guruma, atemi-waza and everything else.

Karate is also on the same way. WKF's rule has simplified many techniques. I gess the reason WKF referees groups was not able to judge many techniques and then they were afraid of criticized their wrong judge.

WJF and WJA is only a matter of time if IJF continue their path. Judo is one of a few full contact martial art in olympic which is something worth to be proud of. However if olympic is killing the art itself, maybe withdraw from the institution and find its own path is better.

Why not consider letting them do as many ippons per match given a certain time? The possibility of comebacks would be so nice as a spectator.

Yes. Next question

If you remove half the body as a potential target, you limit the judoka's overall development. Can dojos train techniques that are banned in competition? Sure. Do they? Less and less. Why spend precious training time working techniques that you can't use in competition? There will be a gradual shift away from leg grabs until the average judoka is barely competent in demonstrating the technique, let alone using against a resisting opponent. The Olympics' reliance on the TOP program and its various sponsors to bring in mountains of revenue has cost the art dearly. It's shameful, really.

I agree your opinion

Well, thanks to you I now understand why I found judo matches so boring

Yes

Yo no creo que por los juegos Olímpicos pierda efectividad,el judo.el judo está involucionando por si sólo,tantas reglas,y poco casi nada de ne Waza

Bring leg grabs back

Yes it's pretty much ruining martial arts. Bujutsu arts are meant to be left alone not turned into sports

It has nothing to do with the Olympics...what reduced Judo's marksmanship were TECHNICAL CHOICES... But it's impossible to keep all the areas in a single art... Gracie Jiujitsu tried to put everything within a single art, it worked while the opponents didn't know the techniques... when they learned , it became clear that each area needs to evolve in a specialized way... The Olympics made Judo and Wrestler ABSURDLY evolve, to the point that in 2 or 3 years of training in other areas, you can compete head-on with the high level of JJ and MMA... But Judo chose takedowns as a focus...AND IT'S CORRECT...however to be complete, you will have to mix it with JJ, Wrestler (nogi), and strike...

We need to boycott the Olympics and support Martial Arts doing their own competitions with rules that will be positive for the martial art.

kind of... commercialization destroys martial arts and the Olympics have been commercialized so its no longer the "last bastion" of "amateur" sports but yet another promotion with a primary focus of selling advertising space on its broadcasts. The IOC would love to make fake wrestling an Olympic sport😐

5:38 he is completely right...

Do you ever see the rules getting changed back to allow leg grabs again? Or you think those days are long gone and we should accept the status quo?

Soy marrón en Judo y me parece que le quitaron parte de su espíritu al Judo al quitarle los derribos agarrando las piernas.

Ju-jitsu was killed by judo. Judo techniks was changed to sporting safed mode. And its be more early, than today. There is no reason to worry.

The Japanese say today so and tomorrow "so". - Between tradition an progress.

There is a price to pay to be in the Olympics. And as long you want *the Olympic Dream* to stay alive for the athletes you need to bent the knee to the IOC. On the one hand you help the athletes in keeping there Olympic dream alive but in return you need to change your sport incompliance to the IOC while you keep the massive IOC GRAVY TRAIN running. With the $950 per diem for executive members and $450 per diem for IOC members with 5 star hotels and restaurant personal attachee and drivers (luxury cars). And my friend there are allot of games Olympic Games, Continental Games and all for senior and cadets and no games are less than 21 days (minimum for a executive member gets per game $20.000 tax free). Personally as an Olympic athlete and coach I have realize that being in the business of medals (all National Olympic Committees are in the same business) will ultimately eat away in your country sport development as the cost for the Olympic dream (international competition) is extremely high and resources will slowly but surely be diverted to top athletes creating a vacuum for development and growth of the whole judo(sport) community choking out the your foundation of development pyramid. All the while not conserving the origin of the sport due to rules changes forced top to bottom and changing the sport to such an extent that it is unrecognizable. The Olympic dream is like the snake that eats its own tail.

Sport judo became much better without leg grabs. You can always add some BJJ to your training routine to get more ground work and leg grabs. It will still be a good training for Judo and keep some throws alive in the memory. The good things about modern time is that you have alternatives, at least in big towns.

Both the international Olympic committee and the IJF have done a lot of damage to judo. With the excuse of inclusion and integrity, they have eliminated techniques for their benefit and with political interests. I don't understand how the Europeans took over judo, the IJF should lose the autonomy of judo. Practicality and common sense have been lost. Many times this sport is manipulated to favor minorities or for the benefit of a country

Yes it is. All you need to look at the nearest Jiu jitsu dojo and they are all trying to practice and learn old school judo. Judo had the best blend of on force training. The rule changes are killing Judo.

I've practiced Judo since 1997. I trained BJJ for 2 years, but quit due to its culture and cult like clique. Not my thing. I love newaza, but not this culture of a cult.

Judo as an Olympic sport is often derided by budo pedants who view it as having sold its soul to the doctrine of “victory for victory’s sake,” something that ran counter to Kanō’s educational doctrine. Kanō was initially opposed to judo’s inclusion in the Olympics, an idea that was championed by German judoka. He wrote to Pierre de Coubertin stating that judo would be an inappropriate inclusion because it was not a game, but instead was like a church, in that “it teaches a man a moral sense.” 5 In 1936, however, he showed a more ambivalent attitude when he shared his thoughts on the issue with Koizumi Gunji (1885- 1965), a Japanese jūjutsu expert in England who converted to Kōdōkan: “My view on the matter, at present, is rather passive. If it be the desire of other member countries I have no objection. But I do not feel inclined to take any initiative. For one thing, judo, in reality, is not a mere sport or game. I regard it as a principle of life, art and science. In fact it is a means for personal cultural attainment.” Bennett, A. C. (2015). Kendo : Culture of the sword. University of California Press.

Big time

The situation is far worse in taekwondo.

i still taught my kids old judo style

Yes, except boxing, maybe wrestling?

Judo, Taekwondo and Karate these are Martial Arts that Olympics killed.

Removing Wrestling from the Olympics? Total BS. Total bluff. Nonsense.

Fitness Skill Self Defense Ju jitsu got weak (the reason for Judo and Kendo) Karate got watered down (point fighting) No one does self defense (the whole purpose really) Lesson Learned Promotion (eg. Gracie Jiu Jitsu) Conversion (change minds) Don't bother. Keep it to yourself (have the advantage) An open secret. The right people will figure it out.

Правила дзю до меняются не в лучшую сторону. Наверное хотят сделать из дзю до икебану?

I think.... IOC is degenerated. Judo and each martial arts.

YES. Greetings from the Netherlands 🥋 OSU 🥋

Are the olympics killing the martial arts? Aaron think so, just look at Winged Chun and Aikido, very much alive. Have a good day sir.

I hope Bjj never becomes an Olympic sport.....never.

first comment for gracie bjj sucks

The worst enemy of Judo is IJF, they must let Judo be Judo.

Yes, they are. 🤣

Judo is already a necessary "sportification" of its predecessor as a move to evolve and preserve these techniques. So I do not negatively receive sporting organization authority. But more to your question: In one sense, yes; but in a bigger picture sense, no. Olympics has proliferated Judo around the word. With out competition, martial arts would be killed faster.

its ruined karate

100% d'accord

Il Judo del Sig.Kano e' nato come metodo educativo.Alla Sua morte la famiglia ha per motivi economici l ha venduto al governo giapponese che l ha diffuso come sport eavendo come finalita la medaglia olimpica.E il judo e 'divenuto jusport nche. niente ache vedere con Do,la Via😢😢

Yes