Is The Quran Really A Miracle? Dr. Shady Nasser 

Thank you, Derek, for venturing into Islam, an area where many Westerners fear to tread. You really get into dangerous and scantily mapped territory when you explore the mythicist position regarding Mohammad and the origins of Islam. Some argue that Mohammad, Islam, and the Qur'an were later inventions, Mecca barely existed, and non-Arabs formed the backbone of the incredibly successful Muslim conquests in the first 200 years. After that, a religion and a history were reverse-engineered to fit what the rulers wanted the people to believe. It would be very cool to get more of this on your channel.

Someone challenged me recently and in ten minutes I came up with this, I am no poet, I failed grade 10 english 6 times LOL. Everything together in one tiny space. Till it expanded, and things took their place. As things cooled, things started to pool, and swim in circles with such grace. From tiny things attracting, great suns were born. and clouds of dust started the planets to form. The planets would circle the suns throughout space, and our planet is 3rd from the sun in its place.

@021 Or maybe we can talk to some of these scientists about science in the quran. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hzrSWJYRiYU.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eziurUGGens.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YJUu1wfUzec.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6aR7uFYuiKk.html And why wont keith moore talk about it anymore? Why is he not a muslim? Look at what those certain muslims did to those scientists in the videos I posted. What a crock of lies and deceit.

This guy is a pseudo expert at best.... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SRvc6YARzRY.html

The miracle is tens of millions have memorized the entire book. No other book can say that not even close.

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You seem like a calm and reasonable person

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@@rg6310 people are leaving islam daily

Is that like, can you get 2 people to agree on anything?

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Memorized by ONE 5 yo kid ONLY!!...... That may be a fluke!!...... We are talking about millions and millions of pple! From age 3 yrs to 90 yrs old, from all around the world, and all kind of races, and the best thing is they dont even speak arabic!!........ Thats miracle!!

@@shamjb2278 I’ve memorized Japanese and German songs, and tons of Jewish kids without knowing Hebrew memorize the Torah.

@@shamjb2278Yeah people can memorize stuff. Means nothing. Especially when the substance teaches the Sun hides away at night. Allah was just Muhammad's fake ID

You accept every narration you like, even if you don't understand it correctly, from the sources with huge amount of narrations which contradict things you like.

Same with the bible.

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1400 years later and you still can't find any error in the Quran or make a single chapter like it.

@@northwind8821 1400 years later and still no one but its own cultists can find anything believable, relevant or likable in the quran. It's easy to find errors though.

@Greg Kanowitz Yet neither of you can actually provide proof or examples of such alleged errors in the Quran. Keep coping.

Any one with an IQ lower than 20.

Do you mean it's a miracle anyone could be gullible enough to believe it, the quran, is nonsense or it's a miracle anyone could believe the nonsense that is the quran? That apostrophe is kind of important.

Same with the bible.

@@inova11901 Yes, same as the bible.

Here, grammar is important! "... to believe it's nonsense." --> qoran is not nonsense "... to believe its nonsense." --> qoran is nonsense

Do you even know what you are saying? The Quran is not only read by Muslims but it is often memorized. It is recited daily around the world.

@@GrimSingmuf Shakespeare is read and memorized all around the world. Plus you can see Shakespeare performed on stage which you can’t with the Quran.

@@GrimSingmuf yet the majority of Muslims do not even speak Arabic… just because you memorize something does not mean you know what it says.

@@Anonymous-sq6eo there's still 15% of muslims who have read it in a language they understand

@sk roy large-scale surveys, they surveyed something like 3 million people Which isnt a lot compared to the extrapolations (they extrapolated that about 260 million muslims had actually read it) but we cant exactly survey 1.9 billion people (a number which is also based on a survey btw)

It is miracle book wchch needs countless scholars who interpret it in countess ways.

The most miraculous part is when it finally is interpreted, and you get no extra knowledge.

@@goddessr3065 Yea, but it says on multiple times, that it is as clear and easy to understand as anything can be! 🤣

The Quran is a miracle because it’s clear to us now in this day and age and it lasted all the way till now. For example the words angel and devil are both used 88 times. Winter and summer are used the same amount of times. Rich is used twice more than poor. Hell and heaven are used the same amount of times. Life and death are used the same amount of times. Water and land are used proportionally to the amount of land to water ratio in the world. You can look them up if you want.

Dr. Gerd Puin!

Indians oldest scriptures of the Rig-Veda are over 3000 years old

I was in Dubai then and Indians were celebrating their Devali festival. Our office held a Devali party for Cheering Hindu employees. So when one my British senior invited 5 Hindus on the stage to explain the historical significance of Devali, each told a completely different story. Lol.

He's the real slim shady!

It means "seeker" in Arabic. You came to defend the Arabic Quran, and make fun of an Arabic name. Your cope has you looking foolish.

Do keep in mind that Dr. Nasser is a Harvard scholar and has published some very important books on the canonization of the Quran, as well as numerous interesting research papers...

@@theastronomer5800did something come from nothing explain pls. Not mocking you want to learn

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The reason for putting something in writing is to insure accuracy. It would seem to me that Muhammad should have had it written before he died.😉🤔

@021 I believe the scriptures as they are. That the patriarchs were given promises, that Moses was given the law and more promises, and that all the prophets were only sent to Israel. And then King David was given promises, and more promises were revealed through other prophets. And all the promises revealed more and more detail about the coming of Jesus, who would be take away the sins of the world, become King forever, and give his people a new heart and a new spirit. And Jesus himself confirmed that he was that saviour, the Son of God, the fulfillment of all that was promised since the beginning. That he died and rose again. And that Jesus was the very first person from God to tell anyone about judgment day, paradise or hell. And I believe that the stories and the prophecies and the rituals in all the Jewish Bible are full of foreshadowing of all of this. I also believe Mohammad put his own words into the mouths of the people who came before him. And that is the only reason why Muslims think they know what the earlier prophets said.

@021 yes Jesus was a prophet, and is a king, and a high priest. Deuteronomy 18:18 and 34:10 describe a future prophet who does many wonders like Moses did. This was Jesus. He himself said that Moses wrote about him. The title prophet just designates that a person reveals prophecies, which Jesus certainly did. Most Muslims seem to believe that every nation had a prophet sent to them. You don't? The Torah says that Abraham wished for Ishmael to recieve the special blessing and covenant that was promised to his descendants. God said he would bless Ishmael, but his special covenant was only to Isaacs line. And an angel prophesied that Ishmaels descendants would always be people of hostility against the world. This is written in Genesis 16 and 17. I don't know of any tradition that said Isaac was a prophet until Islam. The Angel of the Lord in Genesis 16 is actually the same as who spoke to Moses in the burning bush in Exodus 3. I think this angel (ie messenger) was actually Jesus, before his incarnation.

@021 You say that is who the prophets were and that's what the prophets did. But my point was that needs to be tested. Why do you believe that? Is there any evidence of it I don't know about? As far as I can tell there is no other investigation into it, there is no corroboration with previous scriptures or traditions. It just comes out of thin air in the 7th century. Mohammad reimagining respected figures in his own image, saying the same words Mohammad was saying, all to give Mohammad's own narrative more clout. If there is more to it then by all means tell me. Also, the idea that Abraham visited the Arabian peninsula, that he built the Kabaa. Did anyone in the world say that before Mohammad did? Again it looks like Mohammad was reimagining people in his own image, integrating them into his own narrative. I don't think it is a coincidence that Joseph Smith, the LDS prophet, said that America was a special land that many prophets visited, or that he also invented details about Abrahams life to support his own narrative. And he also bestowed upon himself unique privileges about he was permitted to marry. And there are more similarities, but the main ones as I see it: inventing details about the past prophets, and about the land he was native to. As to the idea God had to send prophets to every country, then why did Israel get so many prophets? And who has ever been identified as a monotheistic prophet anywhere outside the middle east? What traditions remain of recitations of such prophets anywhere? Is there anything at all? I think this is wrapped up in the idea that all prophets had the same thing to say to everyone. I expect you believe not every nation got the message at the same time. So that doesn't seem the most just and fair approach, that generations of Arabs would go without knowledge while Israel is getting many many prophets. As it happened Israel was special, because they were supposed to lead the rest of the world toward the knowledge of God. Is that really more unjust than the idea that Arabs didn't receive their prophet until 2000 years after Moses? Really they probably received the gospel only 1500 years after Moses, through Jesus' disciples. What the Torah says is that Israel was supposed to have the special relationship with God, and Israel would become the light to the world. All nations knowing the truth and the power and wisdom of God through Israel. Now this didn't happen by Israel keeping their law and covenant. But it did happen through Jesus the King of Israel, who is the light of the world, who has revealed the knowledge and power and wisdom of God. And Jesus sent his disciples to all the world. And we are going to all the world. Although some countries have criminalized us preaching and kill or imprison people who come to believe the gospel of Jesus.

@021 I will post about Moses and Jesus later today

Lets start with the scripture Deuteronomy 18 The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your *brothers* You must listen to him. For this is what you asked of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, “Let us not hear the voice of the Lord our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die.” The Lord said to me: “What they say is good. I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their *brothers,* and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet *speaks in my name.* Deuteronomy 34 Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the Lord *knew face to face,* who did all those *signs and wonders* the Lord sent him to do in Egypt-to Pharaoh and to all his officials and to his whole land. For no one has ever *shown the mighty power or performed the awesome deeds* that Moses did in the sight of all Israel. If you read it in Hebrew it does literally say "among you brothers". Whenever the Torah talks about their brother - it means a brother Israelite, it is the same word in Hebrew every time. Look at these examples where it obviously doesn't mean Ishmaelites. If you want to fact check me on this Biblehub is a good website. Numbers 32:6 Moses said to the Gadites and Reubenites, “Should your *brothers* go to war while you sit here? Deuteronomy 3:19-20 Your wives, your children and your livestock (I know you have much livestock) may stay in the towns I have given you, until the Lord gives rest to your *brothers* as he has to you, and they too have taken over the land that the Lord your God is giving them across the Jordan Deuteronomy 10:9 That is why the Levites have no share or inheritance among their *brothers;* the Lord is their inheritance, as the Lord your God told them. Deuteronomy 17:15 be sure to appoint over you a king the Lord your God chooses. He must be from among your *brothers*. Do not place a foreigner over you, one who is not a *brother* Deuteronomy 17:20 and not consider himself better than his *brothers* and turn from the law to the right or to the left. Then he and his descendants will reign a long time over his kingdom in Israel I will detail more of the specific parallels between Moses and Jesus, but just on these prophecies - as far as I know Mohammad did not do mighty miracles, at least the Quran says: "Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?" But thou art truly a warner, and to every people a guide." Surah 15:7-8 And I will explain more about Moses and Jesus knowing God face to face, but just for now, Mohammad did not speak to God face to face. He only spoke to an angel. (And Jesus did say some angels are of the devil - that is whole different thing)

For the same reason that he does not invite Christian apologetics. He is an Atheist. He wants to study religion without religious dogmas, just history.

Jesus did it with the permission of God. The fact you think Jesus has independent power is polytheism

Shady has been exposed by many Da’is, not even knowledgeable people, just Da’is which is ironic coming from a Harvard ‘professor’

@@GoPrayDontDelay Yes, I am surprised with his statements, for this particular one, I immediately recalled from my memory at least 10 names of Sahaba muirtutred in Yamamah battle!

What he says is not wrong at all.

I think you missed the point. Dr. Nasser is a Harvard scholars who had done research and wrote some very important books on the canonization of the Quran. He is very familiar with many interesting topics. Derek here wanted to ask him some more general questions to get an idea how academic scholars view some of these topics, not how a religious person (like a "reputable sheik") would.

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The only Miracles we’re fronted by Smokey Robinson.

Yes dude , miracles are fake . Doesn't exist.

Something limited atheists would say

@@killyac3548 Or anyone not engrossed in fantasy.

@@louisbauer8669 what makes it a fantasy? The real fantasy is atheists thinking humans were born randomly or from nothing. And that humans are just matters of this universe and all we do is live and die and become worm food. Nothing more?

So is the torah for jews every boy at age 13 (orthodox jews) must remember it by heart

@@immanueljijib3878 for your kind information, no one has memorized Torah ever, these kids you're baiting on don't “memorize” it, it's called *recitation,* Nice try though

@@just-some-muslim Orthodox Jews do.

@@TheDizzleHawke Do they memorize the entire Taurat or just portions?

Specific people memorized Homeric epics not average people.

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Believing and knowing 🤗

Yeah And both must be done

Then tell us do you have anyone who memorized your book to keep it from revisions....????? So which version do you believe in????? Thanks God for Islam

So what happened over the last 2000 years. That's the question. Does God send messages through men, like Moses and Jesus? And if He does, is it a completely different religion each time? Did God send information to Muhammad? Have there been any messengers since Muhammad? How can we know? Which version of Judaism is the real one? Which version of Christianity is the real one. And if Islam is from God, which version is the real one? Don't ask those religionists, go to the scripture, the words of Moses, the words of David, the words of Jesus and the words of Muhammad. Well how can we know that the words from each of these guys were not distorted or changed in some way? The Bible is full of nonsense, so do we blame this on God or on those who inserted injections and distortions over time maliciously or innocently? If you consult the Quran alone and not muslims, you will learn that God allows all of His messages to be distorted. This is God's system. This happened to Jesus's message and it happened to Muhammad's message. Islam is a distortion based on hadith or fables after Muhammad died. God allows this to let those who have disbelief in their heart to be attracted to the distortions and not the truth. God is guiding only the sincere. The Quran will tell you that all of the messages of God were aspects of the one overall delivery process of instructions to mankind. The concept that Islam is different and relatively new religion from God is false according to the Quran. The Quran states that there was only One religion being built by God. The truth in the Bible was being overlooked by the religionists and the distortions were louder than the truth. So what did God do? He sent a replacement scripture to all the believers of the world. This scripture is intact and completely reliable. It is a replacement scripture. Quran was simply a condensed and purified scripture with all of the relevant stories and examples for us. It tells the correct and accurate history. People think that the stories are copied from the Bible, but really, it is the corrected versions of those stories and some stories that had gotten lost. We have mathematical proof that it is miraculously mathematically composed and intact. Here is the proof if you are interested. www.masjidtucson.org/quran/ReadQuran.php?appendix=1 Peace.

@Matthew popp "Growing religion" because of reproduction ratio!!

@@jefftaylor19 Quran is plagiarism from fake sources as Talmud Sanhedrin Mishnah 4:5 , cave of treasures, apocalypse of Abraham, targum Sheba, infancy gospel of Thomas even Zoroastrian

​@@albusai I have heard your opinion before. Forget what the muslims say about the Quran as they do not know it or follow it. What does the Quran say it is? The opinion of the Quran is that it is a restorative replacement scripture from God to give believing individuals the correct versions of the various religiously relevant historical events that had gotten distorted or lost over time. It says that there was only one macro religion being developed over time, and that the various messengers and peoples were to provide the learning lessons to be included in the final scripture for mankind. The stories are all a part of the lessons to mankind and of course they are repeated as they were intended to be crucial to the education of a believer. Islam is a manmade religious concept. However in the Quran, "Islam" the word, means submission. It is just a disposition of all believers. To submit is simply a disposition of a devotee of God alone, whatever they call themselves, Jew, Christian, Muslim, Zoroastrian, Sabean or whatever. But the Quran is the culmination of the scripture delivery process. It is the finished version, reliable and fully intact: a restoration of the one overall message to the devotees submitting to God alone. This is according to the Quran, not the stories according to so called "Muslims". Peace.

It grows by lies,many left it when they know the truth

It’s linguistic nature is so divine even the people of the prophets time who were his staunch enemies accepted Islam because the fact that everyone around him knew that he couldn’t read or write made it impossible for him to write a book like that.

@@smartiesmmm195 Hahahah .. i feel for you dud ( wish you have hur in jannat).

@@mezbamaniac8645 so prove 1.9. Billion people wrong. Create a book like it. I mean, anus sharosh tried and failed miserably. That’s before he went to jail for arson fraud lol.

@@smartiesmmm195 Dud ! It is useless to argue to those who have already formed their mind set. but since you are pushing me too much so i have to. For your kind info "the prophet's time who were his staunch enemies were forced to become muslims ( advice: the stories you have been listening to since your child hood unfortunately not true) . Furthermore, lot more brilliants books and novels are being published everyday and will be published but where there are dumb guys like you would never be able to acknowledged them coz you have already formed your mind. but dud listen to me and please try to follow my advice keep watching video like this and open up your mind to accept new things. Thanks

The Quran is a miracle from Allah and its easy to understand for people who understand Arabic, only ignorant people who don't understand Arabic claim its difficult to understand

There are many versions of the Quran which Version is the real one.

I have 6 more clips with Dr. Shady Nasser on my Patreon.

@@MythVisionPodcast Are you planning on uploading them on RU-vid at a later date?

@@buzzwordy9951 The standard narrative has holes bruh

@021 You are like spaming everyone, it seems..

Your comment should be pinned at the top somehow

@@wizolufa1452 I have not said anything wise or profound. I have only said what is obvious.

@@tdwebste you would think it’s obvious. Yet there are people on this video still claiming that is a miracle because multiple people memorized it

@@wizolufa1452 If multiple people memorised it and magically understood it...... that would be a miracle!

@@fatmaramadan6928 Are you saying understanding the quaran is a miracle?

He also has a great talk which you can find on Islamic Clarity channel on the canonization of the text. It's about 18min long.

@@theastronomer5800 thanks i will check that out

can you please enlighten us with your evidences?

@@SaidSaadouni Talmud Sanhedrin Mishnah 4:5 , infancy gospel of Thomas, targum Sheba, apocalypse of Abraham, cave of treasures even from Zoroastrian

Why would Derek "heart" this before he has examined the evidence? Because we all have bias and our examination is informed by it. It is truly difficult to be objective. What does the Quran say it is? The opinion of the Quran is that it is a restorative replacement scripture from God to give believing individuals the correct versions of the various religiously relevant historical events that had gotten distorted or lost over time. It says that there was only one macro religion being developed over time, and that the various messengers and peoples were to provide the learning lessons to be included in the final scripture for mankind. The stories are all a part of the lessons to mankind and of course they are repeated as they were intended to be crucial to the education of a believer. Islam is a manmade religious concept. However in the Quran, "Islam" the word, means submission. It is just a disposition of all believers. To submit is simply a disposition of a devotee of God alone, whatever they call themselves, Jew, Christian, Muslim, Zoroastrian, Sabean or whatever. But the Quran is the culmination of the scripture delivery process. It is the finished version, reliable and fully intact: a restoration of the one overall message to the devotees submitting to God alone. This is according to the Quran, not the stories according to so called "Muslims". Peace.

@@paultarsus5844 lol so the torah is 10th century also ?

The torah was verbally passed down for thousands of years the oldest and PRESERVED written version of the torah was written 1250 that doesnt mean the torah was written in 1250 it estimated to be written around 3000-3500 years ago

Wasn’t it a goat.

Good man. blessed are the sheep that eat!!! Hallelujah. Jesus is the way and truth and none other.

I wonder how that sheep tasted after eating the Quran. It must have been a Holy feast

@Qadir Ibn Israila ok can you recite the page of the Quran that the sheep ate please? The one about stoning women and breastfeeding adults

@Qadir Ibn Israila There is a reason why when the police have a choice between eye witness accounts and video evidence, they put more emphasis on the video evidence. if I tell you something by the time it gets to the 3rd person the information would have been modified one way or the other. Memorization is not a way to convey reliable information. Why are you arguing over a scientific fact bro?

jesus only had 12 deciples. and they are all in the bible. get your facts straight.

@@crusadeprince 'And after these things the Lord appointed also other seventy-two: and he sent them two and two before his face into every city and place whither he himself was to come” Luke 10:1 Get your Bible read my friend

@@dust001 yes Jesus have 12 known deciples and he sent others like you mention 70 as well. everyone wants to follow him. and spred his word to teach pople. so whats the problem with it my friend. are you a muslim or athiest so i can have an idea who im talking to.

We have the name of the 12 Disciples. Those 70 are followers, there are thousands of people that follows Jesus Christ, so you can't expect Bible to give account of all their names tho few among the followers were mentioned. New Testament is an account that explain the life of our Lord JC (His Purpose on Earth 🌎, who He is), also explain some prophecies from Old Testament that relates to Him, impact of His teaching and how it started and those closed to Him that Spread His teaching. So what's your point🤷🏾‍♂️

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Not all Quran are identical. The most popular Quran in Morocco is called warsh. Most popular Quran in the rest of the world is called hafs. There are hundreds of work differences as well as letters in the original Arabic between these two versions and there are other versions in existence as well. Search Quran Hafs vs Warsh and begin your learning journey.

Made up narrations you like. How about the ones that negate them?