I grew go blindly embracing rapture theology til about age 20 when he began to go deep in scripture and theology and church history and came to the realization that the doctrine of the rapture was unheard of until the early 19th century and was first established at a small revival in Glasgow Scotland after a Scottish girl claimed to have a vision of a pre tribulation rapture. A reverend who was there thought her claim was theologically correct and later came to America and influenced Dwight L Moody of this doctrine who taught it at the Moody Bible Institute and eventually made its way into evangelical circles.
wrong, 24 early church fathers were expressly pre trib, you are reading other peoples superficial research! do your own! Occam’s Razor/truncated version: UNLESS a bored Bedouin boy is throwing rocks in caves and discovers some new ancient scrolls that radically change the paradigm we are all stuck with the same texts which we disagree on! So it is fruitless to debate text ad nauseum but what about OPERATIONAL ISSUES?: 1. How cruel for God , after sacrificial evangelical church has JUST finished the great commission and brought in the fulness of the gentiles to IMMEDIATELY “reward” his faithful church by cruelly inflicting on it/them the worst time in all human history!? WHY?2. The satanic persecution of early church at least served a purpose, it toughened and purified the church to take the gospel to violent pagan tribes around the world, but immediately after trib will be the millennial reign where lion lies with lambs, a close to near Eden/paradisal state where church will not need to be “toughened”. 3. By Rev. 14 about 60% of all humans are dead, including Christians- arguably form disease/plagues, wars, asteroids, earthquakes, starvation etc etc..what PURPOSE does that serve for God? 4. God gives specific warnings for Jews in Jerusalem to flee and tells them where to flee to and they will be supernaturally protected there for the entire tribulation, but God gives no such warnings or instructions for Christians or his church.. WHY? Yes the understanding is that these Jews will be witnessed to and led to Christianity, good thing, but is God just throwing all of Christians and church under the bus, but not unbelieving rebellious Jews? THAT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE WHATSOEVER! 5.Jesus tells us multiple times “Fear Not” and ostensibly not to prepare, yet most Christian babies will starve if parents cannot buy or sell..not to mention toddlers, children and adults for that matter.. WHY? 6. Countless warnings to occupy till Jesus comes, watch always, go set a watchman, like a thief in the night, parables about master going on a long journey and servants admonished to always be watching for Masters return, always watching, a day or hour no man knows…. Etc… but none of these make any sense if church goes through tribulation..at EXACTLY the half way point of trib antichrist attacks Jeruslaem and desecrates the temple.. so we know EXACTLY then when Jesus will return half way LATER!! Thus this makes all the warning voices a nullity or even outright false! 7. Jesus promises that the gates of hell will never prevail against the church but in the tribulation the restrainer is removed and Satan is given power to overcome the saints, so this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what Jesus promises!! A basic rule of bible interpretation is to interpret the bible so it is reconciled that no interpretation makes other verses patently false! 8. I have to choose words carefully here because the algo censors these usually… but what about the Masada option? Many do not know this but several hundred thousand jews when they found out the camps were not relocation camps but death camps chose the Masada option in Berlin etc… does our Jesus really want his church to have to be placed in this cruel dilemma? Think it though carefully! And why wouldn’t/shouldn’t we, especially if we crack under pressure of us and loved ones being starved/tortured and other unmentionable things-we take the Mark and are damned to eternal hell? ESCHATOLOGICAL theory has CONSEQUENCES!!!
What do you think now about all the Tribulation events lining up precisely, I wonder. I learnt about it all in the 80s, so it's mind blowing to see how accurate the Bible is about it. In the 80s, they figured a cashless society would be needed, for the mark of the beast to forbid buying and selling. That's happening now! Israel is not only a miraculous nation again, with their original language (!!!) but the exact countries the Bible says would be against them are indeed against them. Mark of the beast technology (to buy and sell) is not only here and now, the big wigs are talking about how everyone needs it. There's even a contender that contains invisible (blue light) ink, called "Lucifer race" (phonetic spelling). Not to mention the wickedness of our day in perverting even children's minds.
The rapture is ‘on the last day’. Read your Bible. Here…… Post Trib rapture is based on scripture. PreTrib rapture is based on conjecture, speculation and misinterpretation of Scripture. Rapture is posttrib and It’s not really debatable. Here are some irrefutable truths. 1. The rapture is AFTER the resurrection. 1 Thessalonians 4. The dead in Christ shall rise first. Resurrection then rapture. 2. Jesus said the resurrection is ‘ON THE LAST DAY’ over and over and over in John 6. That is the last day of the age of grace. The last day of life without Christ. The last day of the church age. The last day of the New Covenant. The next day starts the millennial kingdom. If the resurrection is ON THE LAST DAY obviously then this means that the rapture is on the last day since the RAPTURE IS AFTER THE RESURRECTION. The rapture is ‘ON THE LAST DAY’. 3. The resurrection / rapture is in Rev 20:4. Here we find ‘the last day’. John says he saw the dead come to life. This is the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the rapture is right after it. The rapture is post trib on the last day of the New Covenant. It is AFTER Rev 5-19. And so shall we ever be with the Lord. We will NEVER be apart from Jesus ever again. The church goes THROUGH the tribulation. We will not experience Gods wrath just like Israel did not experience Gods wrath when God punished Egypt. And Noah didn’t experience Gods wrath when He flooded the whole earth, but Noah was preserved THROUGH the flood. Not raptured out of it. Israel was preserved THROUGH the exodus. Israel was not raptured out of Egypt. Please that’s ridiculous. We will not be raptured out of the tribulation. God will test the church. He will have a pure spotless bride for His Son. Jesus deserves a bride without spot or wrinkle. Any other position other than a posttrib rapture twists and distorts Gods Word. And then there’s Jesus’ message in Matthew 24:29-31 “But immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days.…..…………. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. ------ Jesus Himself says that He is coming back for His church and will gather it immediately AFTER the tribulation. How can it get ANY CLEARER???? Stop with this false doctrine of a PreTrib rapture. The doctrine of escapism has to be exposed and refuted by the word of God. Too many people planning their escape instead of filling their lamp with oil. Having said this, in Rev 3:10 God promises to keep those who have proven their faithfulness from the hour of testing. Knowing that be so faithful that God keeps you from the tribulation. Remember this promise of Christ is to only ONE of the seven churches in Revelation. One. There are letters to SIX other churches. And remember this verse. Revelation 13:7 It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him. -- God will give Antichrist power to persecute and kill His saints. Sounds crazy but that’s His plan. Don’t let people tickle your ears with anything that’s not the truth. 2 Timothy 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. Read your Bible. Test your teachers. Reject false teachers. Reject escapism and other false doctrine. Fill your lamp with oil. Endure to the end and you will be saved. That’s a promise from God. Psalms 91:14-15 “Because he has loved Me, therefore I will deliver him; I will set him securely on high, because he has known My name. “He will call upon Me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble; I will rescue him and honor him. James 1:12 Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. Revelation 2:10-11 Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, so that you will be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.’
@@ryanjennings7783 There's no evidence to support the rapture, it was a fallacy created by satan and false christians, to keep them unprepared for the Great Tribulation, if you studied the Bible and knew history, this would be evident to you.
Arguably, the PRIMARY rapture text (or certainly one of them) is Revelation 3:10 "Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth." - this seems to promise deliverance FROM (as opposed to preservation within) some "hour of trial" that is coming "upon the whole world." This sets a fairly clear expectation for a deliverance from among those "who dwell on the earth" at a time of global misery. So if you can explain this clearly as something other than a pre-trib rapture, I'd be interested in knowing about it.
I believe it is likely that the hour of trial that persevering believers will be kept from is the temptation to take the mark of the beast and worship the AC during the tribulation. God will keep and protect us from the evil one during this time if we patiently endure in faith. Some supporting passages are 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12, Rev 13:8-10, Rev 14:9-12, John 17:15, and Matthew 6:13. 🔹 “The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie” Thessalonians 2:9-11 🔹 “All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast-all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world. Whoever has ears, let them hear. “If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword they will be killed.” This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God’s people.” Revelation 13:8-10 🔹 “A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.” Revelation 14:9-12 🔹 “My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.” John 17:15 🔹 “And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. ’” Matthew 6:13
That was to the church in Philidelphia about things which were coming “soon”. That has nothing to do with our future. You emphasized the “from”, “the hour of trial”, “the whole Earth” but ignore what John and Jesus Himself say about the who and when. “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea." “…for the time is near.” “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write…”
@@LukeSmith7777 Please keep in mind that at the end of Revelation in chapter 22, after EVERYTHING that John wrote, he says… ”The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.” Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.“ Revelation 22:6, 10, 16, 20
Occam’s Razor/truncated version: UNLESS a bored Bedouin boy is throwing rocks in caves and discovers some new ancient scrolls that radically change the paradigm we are all stuck with the same texts which we disagree on! So it is fruitless to debate text ad nauseum but what about OPERATIONAL ISSUES?: 1. How cruel for God , after sacrificial evangelical church has JUST finished the great commission and brought in the fulness of the gentiles to IMMEDIATELY “reward” his faithful church by cruelly inflicting on it/them the worst time in all human history!? WHY?2. The satanic persecution of early church at least served a purpose, it toughened and purified the church to take the gospel to violent pagan tribes around the world, but immediately after trib will be the millennial reign where lion lies with lambs, a close to near Eden/paradisal state where church will not need to be “toughened”. 3. By Rev. 14 about 60% of all humans are dead, including Christians- arguably form disease/plagues, wars, asteroids, earthquakes, starvation etc etc..what PURPOSE does that serve for God? 4. God gives specific warnings for Jews in Jerusalem to flee and tells them where to flee to and they will be supernaturally protected there for the entire tribulation, but God gives no such warnings or instructions for Christians or his church.. WHY? Yes the understanding is that these Jews will be witnessed to and led to Christianity, good thing, but is God just throwing all of Christians and church under the bus, but not unbelieving rebellious Jews? THAT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE WHATSOEVER! 5.Jesus tells us multiple times “Fear Not” and ostensibly not to prepare, yet most Christian babies will starve if parents cannot buy or sell..not to mention toddlers, children and adults for that matter.. WHY? 6. Countless warnings to occupy till Jesus comes, watch always, go set a watchman, like a thief in the night, parables about master going on a long journey and servants admonished to always be watching for Masters return, always watching, a day or hour no man knows…. Etc… but none of these make any sense if church goes through tribulation..at EXACTLY the half way point of trib antichrist attacks Jeruslaem and desecrates the temple.. so we know EXACTLY then when Jesus will return half way LATER!! Thus this makes all the warning voices a nullity or even outright false! 7. Jesus promises that the gates of hell will never prevail against the church but in the tribulation the restrainer is removed and Satan is given power to overcome the saints, so this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what Jesus promises!! A basic rule of bible interpretation is to interpret the bible so it is reconciled that no interpretation makes other verses patently false! 8. I have to choose words carefully here because the algo censors these usually… but what about the Masada option? Many do not know this but several hundred thousand jews when they found out the camps were not relocation camps but death camps chose the Masada option in Berlin etc… does our Jesus really want his church to have to be placed in this cruel dilemma? Think it though carefully! And why wouldn’t/shouldn’t we, especially if we crack under pressure of us and loved ones being starved/tortured and other unmentionable things-we take the Mark and are damned to eternal hell? ESCHATOLOGICAL theory has CONSEQUENCES!!!
Thank you! The devil was starting to confuse me! I know 100% that God has me preparing my house and making the necessary preparations for hard times but was hearing everyone saying rapture could be next week. Thank you for waking me up to what I already knew from God's directions.
@@Eye2Sky4U don’t believe everything, find yourself who is Caesar Messiah and Jewish Messiah many things corrupted by Roman Church, check Lesus and Zeus Greek Gods. There’s no rapture it’s Christianity doctrine mythology’s, There’s only one on God. Grace is there through Repentance .
Eye2sky Praise God! I believe it's important for us to have supplies and be prepared so that we can assist others and lead them to Faith. If we get raptured up before, no biggie. But if we're unprepared and rapture doesn't happen until God's final wrath... Part of the supplies that I'm gathering with my Christian friends our Bibles and Bible tracks. We are using those for every birthday and celebration instead of the usual gifts. Also just giving them out as needed. Not just stocking up on food for the body, but more importantly food for the soul. God bless you, keep the faith 🙏
@Amira Tanya yes! We are to prepare our house and prepare ourselves and I think that means do what you can and God will do the rest. The Bible says we are to help people in need and I've been putting stuff back for my neighbors as well as anyone else that might seek help.
You are making a mistaken identification as to who is taken away, and who remained. Noah did not remain where he was, he is taken into a place of safety, and God closes the door. The rest stayed where they were, until they were drowned. So with regard to the rapture and the following Great Tribulation, when God pours out His wrath on the unsaved, we will first be taken to a place of safety, the unsaved will stay where they were, and God's wrath will commence.
If Noah and his sons were not left behind then how do you explain Gen: 9:19 or 10:1 (and many others) seems like they were still here to me. If the wicked remained then why do we not here about what they did after the flood?
Funny how Noah and his sons populated the earth and not the wicket. "Then Abraham approached him and said: “Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked?" Notice how Abraham pleads with God to not sweep AWAY the righteous. The Tribulation you speak of won't happen when you say it will, but already happened when Jesus Christ said it would. You might be very intelligent, but I m go with what Jesus and the rest of the bible teaches.
But look at the context. They were all destroyed. THOSE wicked people were ALL destroyed. The context was Matt 24:1-3 The destruction of the temple. It happened in AD 70. And Jesus clarifies this in v34 "This generation shall not pass until ALL these things be fulfilled." In v32 "know that it is nigh. That's not 2,000 years later. In v33 Jesus is still talking to the Apostles and says "know that it is near, even at the doors." Again, that's not 2,000 years later. You have to wonder how many times Jesus can say "It's here, coming right now, in your lifetime, very soon" and people will think 2,000 years later. Mk 13:30 Luke 21:32 Same warning about the signs of the destruction of the Temple, not the Rapture. Context.
Mathew 13 (Wheat and the tares), the message is that the wicked will be taken first, not the righteous. There will be no separation between good and evil until the harvest on the last day.
The Wicked are Gathered to One Location (TO BE ) Burned once the Wheat is Collected! No farmer sets fire to the Gathered tares UNTIL the Wheat is safely in the Barn! The Tares are Gathered to One Location and then when the Harvest is complete the Tares are burned! So it will be at Christs COMING when Jesus Gathers all Nations to Armageddon! They will be Gathered Their for Judgment BUT before their Judgment He will Gather to Himself all that are Chosen and we will Partake in the Resurrection and Meet Him in the Air and then He will Trample the Wine Press of His ORGE and the Blood will fill the Valley to 200 Miles at the depth of a horses Bridle!
@@mikebremer3456 I can read exactly what Jesus said and I can read His Interpretation! Gather the Tares into one place (TO BE BURNED) and Gather the Wheat into the Barn! Then when Jesus Explains the Meaning it shows Clearly that the Destruction of the Tares are taken after the Wheat is Collected! No Farmer sets fire to the Bundles of tares UNTIL all the Wheat is Collected safely first! Once all the Wheat is Collected then the Bundles of Tares are set on fire! So it will be when Jesus comes! Jesus Himself said that He is Gathering the Nations to Armageddon! Then Jesus COMES and the Resurrection takes place and we ascend to be with Jesus in a place of Safety and then Jesus Tramples that Wine Press of His ORGE at Armageddon and then we descend with Jesus and Jesus will then Cleanse (HIS) Kingdom of all things that Offend and do Iniquity as there will be no Sin in His Kingdom! Pretty Simple when we read what Jesus says and watch what Farmers do!
When it comes to doctrines likes these, or any teaching of the Bible for that matter, I believe we need to approach it with great humility. Eschatology is a very difficult subject to tackle, an area which we can easily fall into error if we are not careful. Additionally, we must also be careful to not alienate other Christians, particularly regarding secondary issues that have nothing to do with salvation. With much respect to our brother, who is bold and courageous enough to publicly share his biblical views. I would like to add a portion of scripture that perhaps may be overlooked by him and other brothers that disagree with the doctrine of the rapture. When it comes to objections regarding verses in Matthew 24, regarding the rapture, those that disagree with a rapture say that Noah and his family were not taken away ,but rather preserved through the flood and this is true, however what many overlook in the Genesis account is the person of Enoch, whom the Bible says was taken away by God before the flood came. I think this is a very important piece of information because it sets an important precedence of a “rapture”. It appears Genesis chapter 5 , which is one chapter before God commissions Noah to build the ark. God raptures Enoch before he pours out his wrath. Another issue that arises when discussing the subject of the rapture is the nature of the Great Tribulation. There has always been tribulation in this world, Christians all over the world are being killed every day for their allegiance to Christ our Lord. As Christians we will suffer tribulation in this world, in some cases we will even die for our faith. It is however very important to make a distinction between tribulation and The Great Tribulation. The Bible teaches us that the Great Tribulation will be a time where God will pour out his wrath upon the world, upon the kingdom of the Antichrist, from which faithful Christians will be saved from. Again, there is precedence in Genesis. Our Lord Jesus Christ tells is Luke 17:29 that the last days will also be like the days of Lot: Luke 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Notice something important in the wording, the same day Lot “went out of Sodom” it rained fire and brimstone. If your read the account of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah you will see that God does not pour out his wrath until he gets Lot out of the city. Now If God did not allow Lot, who was not where he was supposed to be, to remain and suffer the outpouring of his wrath, how then will he allow those redeemed by the precious blood of his son to suffer through it. Paul mentions in 1 Thessalonians 5:9 that as believers we are not appointed to wrath, but salvation. This is by no means exhaustive, there are many examples in the scriptures like the ones I have referenced, nevertheless I hope this can be a blessing to some, God bless you brothers, To God be the Glory
If you have read the book of Jasher (totally in line with the bible d constituted), it says that in the days of Noah, God let the other righteous people die, so they can escape the destruction of the earth by the flood. I have also had a vivid vision in which I heard it being said that people had gone missing (just as the beginning of darkness falling to the earth). In that dream people had gone missing, I saw famine, I saw money fail, and I saw a great terrifying beast with great authority and power (the beast I saw possibly represents the anti-christ and his government). I agree with you that people should be careful in discussing eschatology--- it is a very tough subject to disect! Also, the Lord has shown me many dreams and visions, including three dreams I saw January/February las year in which I saw the US & possibly the world in a great depression. I say, let us all seek the Lord out in all things...including the "catching away"...
sorry if you believe in a rapture you wont ever get that becuase i'ts not there is just no rapture to come it's been made popular by the left behind serious ask God to open your eyes to the truth
@@matthewhughes3749 The wise, like the five wise virgins are prepared day and night for the return of the Lord. But the foolish, like the five foolish virgins, are asleep like the rest of the world -- the coming of the Bridegroom shall catch them unawares! In which category do you belong?
Could the left behind phrase in Genesis also mean that Noah and his family were taken to safety from the wrath of God and the left behind were left to suffer Gods wrath ? It could be a argued either way. Jesus also compared it to the days of Lot. Soddom was filled with wickedness and God had the angels take Lot and his family out of the city before Gods wrath. So In both comparisons God righteous we’re taken or removed prior to Gods wrath. I’m no Bible scholar but I do read the Bible. But it seems to me however it is done God will remove those in Christ prior to his wrath on the inhabitants of the Earth. We are told we are not appointed to wrath but salvation through Jesus.
Yeah, he lost me at it's good to be left behind. The people who were left behind during the Flood drowned. The people left behind by the Rapture will go through the Tribulation.
This Seedbed guy is obviously referring to this when he says left behind is good: / "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn." Mat 13:30 / However, this doesn't take place until the harvest is complete. When Jesus says first, he means before the millennium begins. That way they are going through the fire while the millennium is under way. After the millennium, they will be resurrected and given a chance at salvation again. Mat 24:20, Rev 20:5. So yes, it is better to be taken, than left behind to endure the wrath. (wrath and tribulation are not the same thing)
With such confidence this teaching against the Rapture is picking up steam and deceiving multitudes. It is, indeed, a dark spirit. Such deception. Keep speaking and teaching the truth.
Dear Lord, just read what Jesus said! One TAKEN one LEFT, as it was in the days of Noah! Those who were "taken;" in the says of Noah were taken by the flood of wrath. Those taken at the second coming will also be taken by wrath while those left are left alive and well. Stop believing myths.
the moment Christ touches down, no more flesh! all return to their spiritual body! some still mortal, and the dead in Christ which are with him now, are coming back with him! When? the moment the two witnesses stand up again, in the street of jerusalem, Yeshuah returnes!
I tend to agree with this view, and here's why: After Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, he and His disciples returned to Jerusalem from Bethany through Bethphage on the Mount of Olives. (See Matthew 21 and Luke 19.) He was accompanied by a large crowd including the relatives of Lazarus and Lazarus himself. As He approached Jerusalem, a large crowd came out to meet Him. This is where Palm Sunday took place. It's possible that the whole event is a foreshadowing of Jesus' final return, with a great crowd accompanying Him from heaven, and a great crowd arising from the earth to meet Him in the air. Zechariah 19:4 says that when Jesus returns, He will stand on the Mount of Olives and it will split in two. Likewise, the angel tells the disciples as they stand on the Mount of Olives watching Jesus ascend through the clouds into heaven that He will return in the same way He left. There are many other parallels -- on Palm Sunday, he rode into Jerusalem on a colt, the foal of a donkey not as a king, but humble and lowly. When He returns, He will ride a white horse--the war horse expected of a king. The spot on the Mount of Olives where He is said the return is directly opposite the Golden Gate, (the King's Gate) which lines up with the prophesied split in the Mount of Olives.
14:7 Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters
Brenda if a group of people who wear white gown, they looked like clouds. These could be believers like Abraham, Moses, David and those that had passed away.
gcanpico Psalm 91:8 You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked. - Revelation 3 :10 Jesus; Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. - Luke 21:36 Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.” ____________
You right when there was great tribulation against true church, the lukewarm Christians thought that Jesus would come at the moment but since he didn't and their tribulation continued, many gave their faith, I think the pre-tribulation rapture will create a similar falling away, worldwide as the expected rapture does not take place, No where in the Bible we are promised deliverance from tribulation , we are to overcome them
exactly WHEN IS THE RAPTURE / RESURRECTION? In Revelation 20:4-6 the last book of the Bible there are only 2 more FUTURE Resurrections (Raptures) spoken of: (after the 2 witnesses appear) 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the FIRST RESURRECTION. or rapture 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION: on such the SECOND DEATH hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. In the above scriptures, these are the Martyrs. John said "this is the first resurrection." John didn't say this is the "second phase of the first resurrection," as pre-tribbers claim. If this is the FIRST resurrection, can there be a resurrection before this one? Of course not, unless you want to ADD to the bible which is forbidden! The First Resurrection is of the dead in Christ and the Second is after 1000 years. Paul wrote that the Dead in Christ MUST rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 16 ...and the dead in Christ shall RISE FIRST 17 THEN we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them... In Rev. 20:4-5, John sees the souls of Saints who were BEHEADED for refusing the Mark of the Antichrist during the Great Tribulation. John writes that they will rise and reign with Christ for 1000 years and that this is the FIRST RESURRECTION! If according to John, the beheaded rise in the FIRST resurrection and Paul said those who are alive and remain are not caught up until AFTER the dead in Christ are resurrected, then this means the catching up or rapture takes place AFTER tribulation! Now compare the above with 1 CORINTHIANS 15:20-23: 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first-fruits of those who slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first-fruits; AFTERWARDS THOSE WHO ARE CHRIST'S AT HIS COMING. Notice only one resurrection of the dead in Christ is mentioned here! Which, according to Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 must take place BEFORE we who are alive and remain are "caught up" with them! When did Jesus say the dead in Christ would be resurrected? John 6:39-40: Jesus said, "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up ON THE LAST DAY. John 6:44: Jesus said, "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up ON THE LAST DAY." Is the LAST DAY the thousand year reign of Christ? I believe so....then it is eternity and time is counted no more So if Jesus himself said the dead in Christ will be raised on the LAST DAY, and Paul said we who are alive and remain will not be caught up (raptured) until AFTER the dead are raised, then where does secret pre-trib rapture fit in? Paul in 1 Cor 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found? Revelation 8:2 - And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. Revelation 8:6 - And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the end of the tribulation
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life - Revelations 2:10
Matthew 13:27-30 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to ***BURN*** them: ***BUT GATHER THE WHEAT INTO MY BARN.***
Who really knows, only time will tell. I don’t want to subscribe to either doctrine. I see compelling arguments on both sides and in several verses that allude to both ideas. What the Bible says for sure is “fear not” and stay vigilant and prepared for whatever God’s will is. Whatever happens me and my house will serve the lord.
If we know that the tribulation is 7 years and the rapture occurs after those years then it could be possible that we could figure out the day on which the rapture happens, yet Jesus said that no one except God knows the day and the hour
Incorrect... See People Love to OR dont realize that in their minds they think this is what Jesus said: No one know the day or the hour....or the month or year....or the decade. Jesus SPECIFICALLY said the DAY or the HOUR....but we WILL absolutely know the Season For SURE.....just maybe not the exact week... UNTIL That VERY week arrives. Because MOST people cannot endure even watchng for 10 hors straight..much less a week. Jesus told us to watch because we WILL be able to do it...and we just have to make sure we DO. Thats what the Parable of the Ten Virgins was about... they KNEW Jesus was coming.....EXTREMELY soon.. in either a few hours or couple of days... They had their candles (which last perhaps a few hours or a day) and EXTRA Oil incase they had to wait for a week. So this understanding you have is wrong. Also the Rapture is a DESCRIPTION of how we get taken...its NOT an event...it is ONLY mentioned because we are STILL Alive...those who are dead who rise Milliseconds/Same Time as Rapture are being Resurrected. In other words the "Rapture" is the same thing as the FIRST Resurrection.
If this is so easily explained, then why does Paul refer to it as a "Mystery"? What can be said about those who are unable to discern God's truth concerning a mystery? To those who fail to understand these passages, I would simply ask them "Who do you say that Jesus is?"... because without Him in your heart, the mystery will remain hidden from you.
William, are YOU saying that Paul said that the Rapture was a Mystery?????? I am so Shocked that YOU are saying that Paul is supposed to have said that the Rapture was a Mystery! I am not sure who has lied to you but I can SAY 100% that Paul did NOT SAY in any place in Scripture that the Rapture was a Mystery! PLEASE I beg you SHOW US ALL the Verse where YOU say Paul said that the Rapture was a Mystery! I have heard so many people LIE about what Paul said! So many people have LIED and said that Paul said that the Rapture was a Mystery! Please do not LIE to us all! SHOW us all the Verse!
Then who are the multitudes of people who are in heaven coming from the great tribulation? Maybe we won’t get raptured pre tribulation but we will get raptured before the end of tribulation. We are not appointed to God’s Wrath.
Question: When you miss a train or an airplane or a boat... do you say ''Ah... I have been taken aboard'' or ''Oh dear! They've gone without me, and I have been left behind!'' Clearly, we say the latter (''''Oh dear! They've gone without me, and I have been left behind!'' ) One can easily imagine those very words were said by those LEFT BEHIND outside of Noah's Ark. IN CONTEXT, Jesus' words ''... the one shall be taken, the other left behind'' clearly imply that being TAKEN - ie: entering into or being taken into the safe place made by God - is a GOOD THING. We WANT to be taken on board the Ark... or taken into Heaven to be with Christ in His celestial Jerusalem. Sorry, Pastor Witherington, but you are quite wrong in your interpretation. Also... would you care to answer the question: Why did Christ promise his Faithful that He was making rooms in Heaven for His faithful? When would these rooms ever get used, if the Faithful are only destined to rise into the air... and then return to EARTH to reign with Christ on Earth? Do you intend to make Christ a liar!?
You have misunderstood the meaning of "in my fathers house are many mansions" . Jesus is not saying that heaven has lots of spare rooms. OT usage of the phrase "father's house" can mean a family or tribe, or when used specifically in relation to God , his presence. So Jesus is saying that the fathers kingdom, which will include dwelling in is presence and adopted as his son, is sufficiently large to allow inclusion of all believers. Jesus prepared a place in his father's house by dying for us. Man was never intended Cromwell in heaven. Even before man fell, he lived sinless on the earth. And the meek shall inherit earth. Not heaven. Indeed, Revelation tells us that God will dwell with us on the new earth.
@@geordiewishart1683 No. It's you who's misunderstood. You're bending over backwards and twisting Scripture inside out to find some kind of mystical special meaning for Jesus' words. They're plain enough.
John 14:3 tells us Jesus goes to prepare a place for us, that He will come again to take us unto Himself, that where He is, we may be also...Could you please show me scripture that says He'll leave His believers behind and yet take the sinners? Asking for a friend...My Friend Jesus...
It’s actually teaching that He is preparing a dwelling place in “His Fathers house” where He and the Father will “come dwell with them (those who love Him)… His Father’s house is the temple, which is defined as His body; Paul says Christians are the Body of Christ. He and the Father have made their dwelling place in the Temple of the Body of Christ by His Spirit starting at Pentecost. Remember what is emphasized over and over and over, from Matthew through the New Testament; the Kingdom of God is Spiritual.
“And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.” Matthew 24:12-13 Lawlessness will thrive during the days of the Great Tribulation. Because of such chaos, the love of many will grow cold. There is no way of knowing how many will be deceived by the False Prophet. (Mat. 24:12, Rev. 13:11-18) Jesus promises those enduring to the end will be saved. ‘Saved’ in this passage means physical deliverance. (Mat. 24:12-13, 1 Thes. 5:9) The faithful saints reaching the harvest will be physically saved. (Mat. 13:39-43) Like Noah and Lot, they will be physically delivered before God’s wrath is poured out on the wicked. (Luke 17:26-30, Mat. 24:37-39) The Son of Man will send forth His holy angels to gather all overcomers looking up for their physical redemption. (Luke 21:28, 1 Thes. 1:10)
You are so right when there was great tribulation against true church, the lukewarm Christians thought that Jesus would come at the moment but since he didn't and their tribulation continued, many gave their faith, I think the pre-tribulation rapture will create a similar falling away, worldwide as the expected rapture does not take place, No where in the Bible we are promised deliverance from tribulation,we are to overcome them endure till the end. Christians in Muslim majority countries endure real intersection but they still abide in the true wine that is christ and them extremely precious to God
@@jesuslovesmegalatians2205 Totally agree! This False Pre Trib Coming Doctrine is deceiving so many! Jesus Himself said that the Only Christs that will be COMING before the Tribulation and during the Tribulation will be FALSE CHRISTS and they will be COMING to DECEIVE MANY! The REAL Christ comes AFTERR all of the False Christs!
This little man should never even attempt to explain any scripture again for there are too many scriptures in the Bible that support the fact that the saints will be taken to heaven before they return with Christ to reign on earth. In John 14:1-3, Jesus said, “Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I WILL COME AGAIN, AND RECEIVE YOU UNTO MYSELF; THAT WHERE I AM, THERE YE MAY BE ALSO.” And right before the raptured saints return to earth with Christ in Revelation 19:1-7, we read: “And after these things I heard a great voice of much PEOPLE IN HEAVEN, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia. And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.”
+Barton Porter According to our Lord, the sequence of events in these last days is, the still future Beginning of Sorrows (Mat. 24:4-8), the Great Tribulation (Mat. 24:9-26), the resurrection at the coming of the Lord (Mat. 24:21-22, 29-31, Rev 7:14) the Day of the Lord (Mat. 24:37-39), and the Millennium (1000 year reign of Christ over the nations (Rev. 20:4-6, Rev. 12:5)
When I see you say "This little man should never...", I already know it's the DEVIL speaking. Shame on you, sir. If you have to act like a child and insult your debate opponent, something's wrong with your actual argument. Nothing you typed after that proves a pre-trib Rapture. You just don't understand chronology. Dead Christians are in Heaven and will return with Him (Post-trib). Those of us still alive will already be here. Now repent and humble yourself and apologize for insulting your brother in Christ.
the temple was destroyed in 70 AD Right ? Paul wrote 1 and 2 Thess in 50 to 51 AD right ? that means that Paul wrote these words 20 Years before the temple was destroyed.. And We that are alive and remain will be Caught Up Pauls use of the word WE would indicate that he expected to be Caught up in his life time.. ,,, so should we
@@bearcreek9402, Once the Second Temple was destroyed, the rapture was put on hold because the rapture requires a temple in Jerusalem, as the Antichrist will manifest at the temple not long after the rapture.
I think the most unfortunate part of all of this is your very arrogant and unChristlike stance towards this man and his opinion by your opening comment of “this little man”. Ponder that, not the rapture. I can tell you fairly confidently that Jesus is more concerned with your heart towards other men rather than your theology.
As a general rule, I prefer a "less liturgical" style of worship service. There is one thing, however, that I think most methodists and baptists were doing in the 40s and '50. That is to have someone read, before the sermon, the primary Bible text about which the pastor would be commenting during the sermon. That made it easier (even for my paternal grandmother who was illiterate) to compare the pastor's comments with the Bible passage being quoted. I'm interested in how people decide how to undersetand Bible passages but I'm less interested in a "this means this and that means that" when presented in such a way as to imply that I can't understand the king's English myself.
It's good to be taken actually. The left behind means you will be destroyed like the flood. Those left behind were those who died. The taken were those on the Ark ( 7 or 8 people). I pray for those who read scripture incorrectly.
@@ChinaChuck No they weren't. They were in the ark and all the others left behind were killed...that's why God told Moses to build the ark. So him and his family wouldn't be killed. The ones left behind were killed.
@@danilaird8360 You meant Noah I'm sure. But we agree that all will go through the tribulation ... and then at the end Jesus will return bringing Heaven down and establishing His kingdom on earth.
The days of Noah were days of judgement. This cannot be talking about a pre-trib rapture where believers are mysteriously taken to heaven. Judgement takes place when Christ returns. You are terribly mistaken!!!
To meet the Lord in the air, not to greet the Lord in the air?right, context?check your understanding of the words, its soo important, and bible escatgology study it more.
My mother prayed for me my entire life. I grew up in a Korean Christian household in 🇺🇸. Baptist and Presbyterian to be exact. When I grew up and became an adult at the age of 18 and became independent. I got heavy into drugs and alcohol, because that’s when my father passed away. But without getting off topic I lived a very ungodly life, but always kept God with me wherever I went. I acted as if he was always real and that was why my faith was not stable. When you live a life acting as if God is real then you only go to him during certain circumstances such as when you need something. When you live this way, you also are very quick to be judgmental and angry at him when things do not go your way. You blame him because you say things like if you are so powerful why would you make this happen to me and during that time of ferocious anger, you curse at him and can easily get into that type of relationship with him. This is because demonic attachment are playing, you like a puppet on a string. I had been on and off with my faith, and every time a tragic event happened. It may be closer to God, because out of desperation, I don’t have any family and mow my friends I’ve made were all atheists due to the certain lifestyle and circumstances I put myself in. But for some odd reason, I always prayed every day at least at night before going to bed, even if it was just saying thank you for the day. I tried to go to church as much as I could, and sometimes when I was coming out of a tragic event, I felt the hand of God pulling me out, and so I would have a very high in spirits with my faith, but it would quickly die down. Just like the parable of the seed, being planted on the rocks, and being choked up by the thorns. It is very short-lived. This is how my faith was and I know a lot of western Christians especially can relate to this. I recently got on my knees after being so exhausted from the oppression of addiction, because I had went through five years of intense, suicidal depression. My addiction lasted for 15 years starting from alcohol that later evolve to opiates. I said Jesus if you are really really like they say you are please reveal yourself to me or show me a clear sign so I know you are real. I am a person who does not easily believe in things I do not see. I am not even superstitious or even believe in luck. Immediately, after saying, those words, I felt conviction, and I felt the energy in the room completely changed. I was overwhelmed, and brought to tears out of nowhere. The conviction was so direct that I started to repent, and I noticed the more genuine and sincere I was with my words the stronger the connection became to this energy. It was absolutely supernatural experience that I had went through. I then continue to repent of my sins saying sorry and asking for forgiveness. I suddenly felt like a very heavy center which I did not feel moments before even going into that room. I saw things that since that I did not previously living my life before entering into that room. That room changed everything that night. After being drenched in tears with a prayer session of repentance, I pass out and wake up hours later in the middle of the night. I go outside to get some fresh air, and I see this bright, intense light in the form of a cross. I was in complete shock and disbelief of what I was witnessing because it was another supernatural moment. I immediately knew this was a sign that I had asked for. I was extremely shocked, and I still process it to this day of what I had witnessed that night. The very next day, I woke up for the first time in a very long time, with a smile on my face, and so much purpose in my life. You have to take into consideration for the five years of being depressed. It was such a demonic, dark phase of my life that I’ve never left my room only to go grocery shopping in to run simple errands. I lived off of credit and little money that I had saved up. It was a very dark and demonic time of my life and I did this for five years always feeling intensely depressed, always wanting to kill myself, or wanting to, and somehow. But that day, when I woke up, I noticed everything had changed. My interests and movies, music. Even the jokes that I used to laugh at all, became petty and nonsensical out of nowhere. I could never stop cussing. This was a habit I could never break, but that day it dissolved out of my mouth to the point where when people cuss around me now I have to leave the room because it bothers me to the core. I completely understand what born again means now. It’s like my old self shed the way a snake shed his skin. I tried every single counseling, treatment, center and alternative medicine, but nothing would ever put a dent into my sobriety. This is when I found out that this entire time I was attacking the wrong thing which was addiction and depression. The root raisin and cause if this was demonic attachments. When you give them a foothold legally, they are allowed to touch onto you and put a yoke around your neck and when you come to Christ this yoke shatters, and that is how you were instantly relieved. I never understood how people would become born again and overnight, quit years of addiction or years of marriage, problems, cigarettes, porn, addiction, angry, petty problems, huge problems, whatever it may be, there’s nothing we can do to clear it ourselves, because we live in a spiritual world more than a physical one. And just because we cannot see it, we tend to forget, and lean on our own understandings, or men’s knowledge of understandings. This is all in allusion. how else does a person with stage four cancer get cured overnight after prayer? How does a persons lifetime sentence get reduced to nothing over prayer? These things we called them ask miracles because we do not understand the spiritual world. Follow your father repent of your sins and except him as your Lord and Savior and you will break through. I guarantee it. It’s very tough to listen to testimonials and be moved in the way. I personally was when experiencing this, so that is why I urge you to experience the journey yourself. That way it impacts you in a way where you pivot, and completely changed the course of your direction and ultimately save your soul by starting a relationship with the father. They’re absolutely is a hell and heaven, because there is a God and a devol. You will be absolutely mind boggled when you are revealed to this spiritual world that we live in. It is only revealed to those who have faith. Everything in this world will start to make sense out of nowhere as well as if you have read every page on Google overnight. You get enlightened, and it is very difficult to explain but you will understand. All of your sickness and life will be healed and you will start to see immediate changes. Take affect throughout the weeks after making this prayer of repentance, and excepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Life becomes extremely fun to live because you see things now on a different level that you once never stole. Everything becomes a journey. Everything becomes a learning experience and faith building opportunities. I cannot explain it, but every day I wake up, I have so much joy and enthusiasm for what is about to come. It’s like when you pop in a new movie you know nothing about you never seen the trailer but you’re in for the ride and it always turned out to be good. That’s exactly what it feels like. This is coming from someone who lived in my room for five years as a dead person. If I can do it, anyone can do it. That’s because he created us and he is for everyone. Go into the quietness and privacy of your room tonight because that’s where it starts. Good luck tonight and God bless.
but some people start their journey there and wake up to the truth and end up at a non denomination like I did. Everyone has a different journey to Christ.@@volhusky
I have to reply here. I also was godly when I was young. Also for me, when I became an adult I sowed wild seeds. I started drinking and eventually got mixed up w/a hustler. That relationship lasted about 1 1/2 years. When he dumped me, I was totally devastated. That devastation though, drove me back to the Lord. A young lady started working at the small corner grocery store across the street from where I lived and invited me to her church. I had visited some churches b/c I was searching. I didn't feel the Holy Spirit in any of them. When I went to the young lady's church, it was different. Even though it was a charismatic church, it was needed at the time. Just as a baby needs intensive care and feeding I had to have that intense feeding. After about 3 months there, another lady came up to me and asked if I wanted to speak in tongues. I just said "I guess so." She took me to the prayer room and we prayed. For some reason, I truly believed that I could receive this (I believe that this faith was also a gift from the Lord). It took a little while b/c I believe the Lord was testing me to see if I really wanted this and if I really believed that He would give it to me. After a little while of the 2 of us praying together, I suddenly felt the power of the Holy Spirit come into me. I never saw any visions or anything like that, but I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that The Lord not only forgave me, but filled me w/His Spirit. I went to that church for a while and then started going to another one. I met some other young ladies and we agreed to move in together and become housemates. Unfortunately, this is when the persecution began. The Lord promises that we WILL be persecuted if we follow Him. The enemy was angry that he lost a soul. Eventually, The other housemates started attacking me verbally every single day, demanding that I be as perfect as the Lord Himself. The man who pretended to be a pastor started having his girlfriend screaming at and attacking me over everything she could think of. He also berated me to my husband constantly. We finally left that situation. Both the "pastor" and the woman who gossiped about me died early. I don't believe that was an accident, but orchestrated by the Lord. I strongly believe that he had a demonic hatred of the Holy Spirit in me. As I said, the enemy was angry. He gets angry every time he loses a soul. Because I have the true infilling of the Holy Spirit, I am able to intercede in prayer when it is needed and when it is directed by the Lord. Sometimes that means interceding in the war, taking Christ's authority over the sprits in a situation. I interceded for a friend's husband who was dying that he not die until he had a chance to give his heart to the Lord and also for my dad I prayed and interceded the same. The Lord answered those prayers. For my mother, the only thing I have to hang onto is that she prayed the "sinner's prayer" about a week or so before she died. I normally don't believe in that "sinner's prayer" b/c 99.9% of the time, nothing ever happens; the person is only repeating words that they are coached in and nothing happens in their heart. She was never allowed to go home again, but died in the nursing home. My husband and I are both retired now and it won't be too much longer before we leave this earth naturally (he's 80 and I'm 77). That will be a joyous journey for us!! To go home to our Lord!
What a beautiful story and i really do thank you for sharing. I love when I hear other peoples testimonials as it always shows so many similarities to everyone who goes through the same journey of reaching salvation and reassures many things. God doesn't ever change is what I get from it. It then becomes easy to read who really has a genuine testimonial because of pattern recognition that I always see as well. Just like you said faith is truly a gift from God. I thought you had to earn it. But after I genuinely repented one night, from that moment on I became obsessed with pursuing God. I never cared or had any interest to read the Bible, listen to worship music and pray etc...but now I cant get enough of it and its the only thing that I ever do. Once you have zero doubts that Jesus is real, everything just falls into place and becomes easier. Your never constantly battling with the "atheist" side of yourself and dealing with backsliding. Skepticism side just dissolves and the Holy Spirit takes over from there. Thanks again for sharing. @@christiansaint716
However everything that you just said does not line up with what Jesus said in John 14 about the fathers house and him preparing a place for us, so that we might be with him where he is. That my friend is a place called heaven.
I cannot agree: At 1:00 time mark, the speaker merely switches the context for the word (and idea) of "taken." Noah took his family into The Ark, together with a number of animals: All aboard The Ark were taken away from the calamity of the Flood by being given deliverance in the form of rising above the it in a floating vessel. Furthermore, Enoch was taken by God because of the integrity of his walk with God, so there is a precedent there for the idea that being taken is good. At 1:51, the speaker engages in a sophistry that is either false due to ignorance, or false due to something knowing. Paul is simply answering the question of the Thessalonians in a complete fashion, an all-encompassing fashion: Clearly, there was confusion and concern in that church over the nature of the resurrection: Why give a partial answer to a complex issue when such an answer might be misconstrued at a later date due to its incompleteness? I'm not impressed with Asbury, if only because its printed materials are so shoddily written: Grammatical errors and syntactical errors (all of which could be easily remedied by means of the services of professional proofreaders) give the impression that Asbury simply doesn't care to bother with these things. To write with the learned and speak with the common is the formula for success in all such matters; not to see to the correct these linguistic elements impairs legibility and makes for incoherence. Finally, why wouldn't a seminary strive to do the very best it can in this area in its service to Christ? Tacitly excusing such missteps as being no big deal because these things are "church work," and therefore not to be held to the normative practices for all written work, is insincere and lazy. Also, see what the late J. Vernon McGee has to say about Matthew 24:40, and following. Also, "Are you gay?"
Ironically, you have proven the distinction between a pretrip rapture in 1st Thess 4 and the second coming at the end of the tribulation in Matthew 24. I agree Matthew 24 has nothing to do with the church, which is his body in the rapture. Paul spoke about this mystery in first Thessalonians four and first Corinthian’s 15.
Actually, the rapture is seen in Matthew 24:26-28 which Jesus described as a time when there would be rumors that the Messiah has come but not manifested yet, which also means it must precede the time of great tribulation after which the Antichrist has manifested in verses 15-25.
Matthew 24 isnt talking aboht the rapture but the tribulation the Jews will go through the those events when jesus comes back. The dude who made this video failed to rightly divide the bible and ignored who Jesus was talking to in Matthew 24.
Also, wasn't the passage in Matthew 24 in regards to the coming siege and destruction if Jerusalem? It doesn't rule out an "already/ not yet" reading, but the two don't seem connected.
No Man of God in Scripture Taught the Pre Trib Fable! Jesus Himself said in Matthew 24 that the ONLY Christs that will be COMING before the Trib and during they trip will be False Christs and there will be many False Christs all coming to deceive many! Jesus said that the only People that will be saying that Jesus is Come before the Trib and during the Trib will be False Prophets and Deceivers and Seducers! The Real Christ as Jesus said, only comes after the Tribulation has ended! Jesus TOLD us all that we must SEE before we are to Look Up for the Real Christ!
@@bigbruno56 I must say this Truth! No Man of God in Scripture Taught the Pre Trib Fable! Paul did NOT EVER say that the Rapture was a Mystery as some Falsely say! The Truth according to Jesus is that ONLY False Christs will be Coming before the Trib and during the Trib and they are all Coming to deceive! The True Christ ONLY Comes after the Tribulation has ended just as Jesus Promised us! Jesus warned us about all of the False Christs and False Prophets and Seducers and Deceivers that will be saying that Jesus is Come before the Trib and during the Trib and Jesus makes it Clear! Do NOT believe them and do NOT follow after them!
I'll even go one step farther with the definition of air which would match it with 1 Corinthians. The word air has also a meaning of breath. So in biblical terminology what breath is could be "breath of life". Meaning soul. Another words meaning we will meet christ in spiritual bodies the soul incorruptible. Which makes alot more sense. That's my thoughts on it.
Ben you need to add First Corinthians chapter 15 verse 52. In a moment, in the twinkling of a eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. I was listening to a Messianic rabbi preach on this in the 80's. He explained that the last trumpet was the final trumpet blown in the "Feast of the Trumpets". I find it interesting that the "Feast of the Trumpets" (Rapture) precedes "Yom Kippur" (Tribulation). To me this indicates the proper sequence of events. In your version, you got it backwards tribulation first then rapture.
Then why does it say I come as a thief in the night? And at the second coming his feet will touch the Earth and every eye will see the saints that are raptured first will be coming back with him we will not go up to come right back down you are wrong
To me, it is like when Jesus talked about the tribulation in Matthew 24 and what Paul said , Paul was basically continuing what Jesus was saying Except he was going deeper into the trumpet sound. And if the rapture was a thing, then why was Enoch and Elijah The only 2 that God actually talk and everybody else died either naturally or brutally?
First thessalonians Chapter 4 13 to 17, the Apostle Paul also speaks about this in first Corinthians 15 call also described as I was being changed into spiritual bodies if it's just to be taken into the cloud to return, why do we need to be changed in the twinkling of an eye into spirit creatures?. It makes no sense at all
I (still) do not know if this explenation is correct but an explenation I have heared before is that the many mansions are the glorified bodies. Because in 2 Corintians chapter 5 the bodies are compared with "homes" our "tents".
N.T Wright and Tim Mackie both agree! I never believed in the rapture. The persecuted church knows better. Tribulation is the life of every Christian while living in this world. It started with Cain killing righteous Able. God’s true followers have always been in tribulations all over this world through all ages. The last tribulation will probably be the worst, but it will end with the triumphant meeting Christ in the air and returning here in the victory parade. New heaven new earth and the evil ones gone taken away forever.
This is so wrong regarding the one taken and the other left. The word for taken is Paralambano meaning to bring alongside, take to oneself. It is the same word The angel used when speaking to Joseph in a dream and saying "Fear not to take (Paralambano) Mary as your wife" The word for left is Aphiemi meaning to forsake and lay aside. It is the same word Jesus used when speaking to the Jews who rejected him when he said "Your house is left (Aphiemi) to you desolate."
These Greek words speak of movement but not of direction nor of tone. Whether coming or going is determined by context. As is whether it is beneficial or judgmental. These Greek words are far more flexible than our English precision. So, "taken" can mean taken alongside or taken away. And "left" can mean left alone (desolate) or left to benefit from blessing. The interpreter must make contextual judgements. The words don't carry the day on their own.
Steve Carlson Matthew 13 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. That is all at the END OF THE WORLD and both wheat and tares are separated When you harvest something that's it the growing is done and tares are burned the wheat is stored up!
I believe in the rapture. I’ve always known that Matt 24-25 are not about the rapture, it’s about the second coming. Jesus would not have taught about the rapture (a church doctrine) to Jews, most of whom will reject him.
John 14 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many mansions; if not I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; thatwhere I am, you may be also." Jesus clearly promised us that He was going away to the Father's house to prepare a place for us and then He would come again and receive us to Himself so that He could take us to where He had prepared a place for us. The Father's house is in heaven. Jesus was not lying to us. He will keep His promise. I'm always amazed how people teach on this subject and conveniently NEVER touch on John 14. I wonder why that is?
Listen, I Tell You a Mystery: Read Acts 1:11 and 2:34 and 3:21 and 1 Thessalonians 4 and you will see that Christ cannot leave heaven until the Second Coming.
@@Julie86Mac- It's true that God can do whatever He wants, and He has already decided what that is, and He has told us everything ahead of time, Mark 13:23. Read It for yourself.
Question. How will God save the Church, Christians all over the world, from His full Wrath? God always saves and protect (Lot, Noah, Moses) His People from His Wrath. 7 Years of Great Tribulation. Why would God pour out His full Wrath on His people? God told Moses how to protect and save His people from His Wrath, and He also told Lot and Noah. I believe God has also told Apostle John how God will protect and save His people from His Full Wrath.
This makes MUCH more sense! Thank you so much. I've read all of the passages that I've been encouraged to read for proof of the rapture, and not one of them offered proof to me. It makes sense to me that believers would be present during the tribulation.
Hello Michelle, Has anyone ever told you what the English Word "Rapture" actually means? Have they ever told you how that English Word "Rapture" is used in English Literature? I can tell you the Truth and it sure aint this Pre Trib Rapture Garbage!
Many Christian's will still be around to see the beginning of God's Wrath on the Non Believers, however, we (Will Be Raptured) prior to all HELL breaking loose...
@@gofigure4920 I can assure you that what Jesus and Paul said as is Written in Scripture is Truth! Its not about any mans Interpretation but 100% as is Written! Please do not Mock what Jesus and Paul said and do not destroy their words!
@@gofigure4920 Not interested in what you have to say after your Mocking of our Lords Words and the way in which you Mock another Believer in Jesus! Good Bye!
‘Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition.’ 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Like Noah and Lot, the righteous will delivered before God pours out his wrath on the unrighteous. (Luke 17:26-30) Paul highlights two events that must come first. A great falling away of believers and the revealing of the Man of Sin will happen before the Day of the Lord begins. (2 Thes. 2:1-4) For the sons of the light watching, this Day will not come as a thief. (1 Thes. 5:4-7)
3rd century Pseudo ephriam does not teach any rapture! Fact this is a propaganda lie! Documented here! From Syrian to Latin Pseudo-Ephraem changed to english then has words changed and other words added (pure evil to do this!!) And made to say this!!!!!!!!!!! ...........For all the saints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins." . THE original true Syrian text translation to English has nothing to do with RAPTURE FACT!...............IT SAYS....... "Pronouncing the good fortune of the deceased Who had avoided the calamity: 'Blessed are you for you were borne away (to the grave) And hence you escaped from the afflictions!
That is a beautiful explication, but I don’t believe that Christ will let his Bride pass through the great tribulation , I believe he will rescue his Bride before he pours out his wrath , we will be “ caught up “ to meet him and be saved from God’s wrath on his enemies .
The Snatch/Taken-away/Rapture has no date (unknown day and hour only but not the season), correct... but God gave us SIGNS to wait and watch for first, before the Wrath of God (Day of the Lord) happens, prophesied by the Prophet Joel and mentioned also by the Gospel writer Matthew about the Celestial disturbances... Prophet Malachi also prophesied that Prophet Elijah must come back first before the Day of the Lord (Wrath of God) starts/begins... Therefore, although no date was given for Rapture, but God gave many SIGNS to fulfill first before the Rapture will occur in a blink of an Eye and the Wrath of God will also begin/start... Amen.
The Lord's command to His church to watch. and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things (Luk 21:36) All what things? These things of God's judgment that will be coming to pass upon the earth as there are the signs and the sun and the moon and the stars and the heaven shaken, and the earthquakes and the pestilences and the famines... "pray that you'll be accounted worthy to escape all of these things." that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man (Luk 21:36).
Thank you. There so many, especially here in the west that pin their whole ministry on the rapture. Claiming we will be out of here before things get bad. Describe bad. In a nation like Nigeria where literally thousands are killed each year for being Christian, don’t you think that qualifies as bad. They may even think the tribulations have already come! If that was happening here , we would.
It really is that easy to understand! But, most christians i know have been taught rapture theory and believe it. If you try to explain how false it is they get upset.
This being recorded many years ago, and many comments, makes it nearly impossible to search through it, so here is the seventh day adventist view on Revelation 13 which agrees with the original traditional Protestant definition. Daniel and Revelation fits together like a hand and a glove. To understand Revelation, you must first understand Daniel. There are 3 primary prophecies on the Antichrist doctrine, and 4 if you count revelation 17. Think of these 4 prophecies as overlays. Daniel 2 is the basic layer. It gets overlaid with Daniel 7-9. Then it gets overlaid with Revelation 14, and finally with Revelation 17. So one builds upon what was before it. None of them unique by themselves. In Daniel 2, we see 4 kingdoms in linear fashion. One after the next. Babylon, Medes and Persians, Greece, and Rome. Then there’s the 10 toes that project out of the feet of the statue, which represents the division of Rome into 10 smaller nations. Europe. Then a stone comes out of heaven and destroys the entire statue and sets up it’s kingdom. The stone is Jesus. That’s our basic layer. The next layer of Daniel 7-9 is more detailed and intricate which would take a long time to explain, so I’m taking a shortcut approach. 4 beasts rise up out of a wind blown sea. Wind = War and strife. Sea = highly populated area. Beast = nation. Highly populated at that time was Europe. The 4 beasts are the same 4 kingdoms in Daniel 2. Now more detail will be added. The 10 horns are the same as the 10 toes in Daniel 2 and a little horn came up among them. This little horn, or power, came up in Europe. And it became stronger than all the others. It ruled for a time of 1,260 years. This little horn is Vatican City. The Catholic Church ruled over all the land and rulers of the then known world of Europe. Now enters Revelation 13. A single beast emerges from a sea (of people) and this beast is a composite beast of the same 4 beasts in Daniel 7. Knowing it’s Vatican City, and Catholicism, we can now apply what was learned from Daniel (I left out a lot of details that help support this interpretation.) This beast, in conjunction with the land beast in the last half of Revelation 13 (USA) work towards forcing (causing by passing laws) the whole world into false worship. Those who disagree will lose economic power, and a death penalty will be issued for all of them. There is a leader of this outfit. It is a man. And the number of this man is 666. While a lot of people could be interpreted to match 666, it would also need to match what we already know. Beast power being Vatican City and Catholicism, the man at it’s head is the Pope. The popes during the 1260 years had a title, meaning the Vicegerent of God, or a substitute for God in His absence. It was VICARIUS FILII DEI. The Roman numeral summation of this name is 666. He is AntiChrist because instead of teaching 100% of God’s word, they teach church tradition instead, which many times is in direct opposition to the Bible. Salvation is not taught that it comes by faith in Christ alone. Revelation 17 depicts a scarlet woman sitting on a beast. This represents the merger of church and state. Again Vatican City. She holds a golden cup filled with the wine of her fornications. Gold cup represents God’s vessels. Think Daniel 5 where God’s golden cups were used to drink wine in a big banquet. The kings of the earth committed fornication with her. They submitted to the Vatican’s power and authority to succeed. But they will all encounter ruin and death when Jesus returns for those who agreed to persecution and death instead of honoring the beast.
Two in a field one taken the other abandoned, so in Noah's day who was taken away and who is abandoned? If you look at the account in Genesis chapter 6 the water lifted up the ark and took Noah and his family away, the Wicked are abandoned. Jesus would have never contradicted his father, in Matthew chapter 24 the wicked tuck no note until the flood came and took the Ark away with Noah and his family in it. the Wicked are abandoned. So the conclusion is that Jesus is coming to take the righteous away,
Once again, if we take Matthew 24 from a cultivated Western Theological approach, and apply reasoning in a Pharisaical way to what Christ said, we can come easily to the conclusion as Dr Ben arrives so easily at. If we look and read Matthew Chapter 24 through the eyes of the Jews whom jesus was speaking to...then we have a completely different understanding. Many argue also that this was separating the Jews from the Gentiles...ah...HELLO...Jesus was speaking to the Jews during this sermon, and had instructed the Disciples in Matthew 10 not to take the gospel by way of the Gentiles...It was a message to the Jews..and if a gentile came to Christ after hearing the messages..in no way would he otherwise cast them out. Jesus was laying the foundation throughout his Ministry for the Church, and the Kingdom Of God, and it was taken to the CHOSEN people of God FIRST. After they had freely rejected Christ as Messiah, then a whole new oddity is created...The Gospel given to the gentile nations. Matthew 24 is directed to the Jewish Nation of Israel, and not the Church. Christs church had not been established yet because the fulfilment of the rejection of the messiah had not come. It appears that your "SeedBed" may have some different type of seeds
I will correct you regarding Matthew 24! Matthew 24 was a Private discussion between the Disciples of Jesus and Jesus Himself about His COMING! That simple! The Same Disciples that were Raising the Dead! The Same Disciples that were casting out Demons! The Same Disciples that were healing the Sick! The Same Disciples that shared the Passover with Jesus! The Same Disciples that were Filled with the Holy Ghost on the Day of Pentecost! The same Disciples that Jesus Commanded to go and Preach the Gospel to the Whole World as a Witness to All Nations! For every Believer in Jesus and every Church that is in Jerusalem right now these words of Jesus remain 100% TRUE! The Words that Jesus said to them He says to all Churches in Israel today as well as all around the World! There is ONLY One COMING of Jesus for One Bride and it is 100% as Jesus said, AFTER the Tribulation has ended!
@@PropheciesOfTheEndTimes Why don't you Trust what Jesus and Paul say about our Lords COMING instead of following a Fable of man? Surely you Trust what Jesus and Paul say about our Lords COMING! Surely you have checked to see what you have been told by some is not the Truth! I can assure you that what Jesus and Paul say about our Lords COMING is True and can be Trusted and can be Repeated!
Do me a favor and do a study on the 3 major harvests in Israel. There are lots of minor crops but, there are 3 major harvest crops. They are barley, wheat, and grapes. You will study several verses that show these crops. Barley and wheat are both planted at the same time but Barley matures faster...apply that spiritually. 🙂 There are 3 companies departing out of here. Barley is his bride. She is the first fruits of the new creation. She leaves at pre trib. The Lord shows us this in type and shadow in Genesis. WHILE ADAM SLEPT (the church as a whole is in a deep sleep because of the apostasy) GOD FORMED A BRIDE OUT OF HIS RIB. This is a small company of believers that will make up a remnant bride.....a rib portion. She is caught up in Rev 4 when he tells John, "Come up here!" He is caught up directly into the throne room. The bulk of the church will be left and be gathered up shortly after. They loaded onto a new ship in Acts 27.....Castor and Pollock. They are headed to Phoenecia in Rome!!! Do you know what Phoenecia means? LAND OF THE PALMS🌴 Which is very interesting because that is what the bulk of the church is found holding in their hands when they are gathered up to heaven in Rev 7 as the great multitude AKA...The Innumerable Company. The Lord wiped tears from their eyes, they realized what they missed. The final company is the 144, 000 Jews that is caught up to the 3rd heaves, right at mid trib. This is the grape company harvest. The door is shut in heaven because the celestial mystical body is now complete!!! Think of this: * There are 3 stories in Noah's ark. * There is a Barley, wheat, and grapes company * some sowed 100, some 60, some 30 * There is Sun glory saints, moon glory saints, and star glory saints * Peter was given the vision on the rooftop of a fitted sheet with all manner of beasts inside from the four corners of the earth from every nation and tongue....He saw it come down THRICE...3 TIMES!!! * You can see these 3 ranks in Acts 27 the swimmers swam to shore, some floated in on boards, and others came in still holding onto pieces of the ship...3 groups of people
Vary well said I got to say , Can't get no more clear then that Thank you. Brother, God bless you Now I got something to show my family that they can see where I'm taking about.
How come "took yhem all away" 24:39 is not the same Greek word as in verse 40 "taken"? Besides...this is not a rapture reference anway so not sure why it is being targeted as such with a condescending tone.
Chip Kempston The Greek translation of rapture means “we are caught up" or "we are taken away" from the Latin verb rapio meaning "to catch up" or "take away". 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. ______________________ 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed- 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory. ___________________________________ 1 John 3 but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. _ When the rapture takes place , Jesus will ( appear ) in the clouds, and he will send his angels to gather us to be with him. _____________________ Colossians 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. Revelation 3 :10 Jesus; Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
1 Thessalonians 4 deals with the coming of the Lord Jesus to gather us, aka the "Rapture" (see also John 14). 1 Thessalonians 5 deals with the Day of the Lord (aka God's wrath, the time of Jacob's Trouble, the 2nd Coming of Christ) (see also Matthew 24). 1 Thessalonians 5:9 states we (those in Christ) will not be subjected to God's wrath (see also Revelation 3:10). The Rapture is going to happen as Paul and Christ foretold it. Also, 2 Thessalonians was written to set the record, as some were claiming that Paul himself was preaching that the church had entered the tribulation and missed the gathering "Rapture."
THANK YOU WHAT IS HOLDING BACK CHRIST FROM TAKING AND BREAKING THE SEAL? WHAT IS HOLDING BACK DANIEL 9:27 FROM HAPPENING ? WHAT IS HOLDING BACK, THE DAY OF VENGEANCE OF OUR GOD IN LUKE 4 ? DID NOE KNOW THAT ENOCH WAS GONE ? Paul said WE who are alive ''''''',,,,,,, before That Day, what day ? The Day of The Lord ( Mattew 24 and mark 13) The day of the lord could NOT come till the temple was destroyed, NOT ONE STONE WOULD BE LEFT UPON ANOTHER 1..... We who are Alive ( his life time ) 2...... Not one stone upon another 3 .... That day can't come till theres a falling away 4 .... The apostate 5 ....the REVEALING of the man of sin 6 ... THE ABOMINATION 7 ... EVERY eye will see HIM Paul Expected the Rapture Before the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD
+Bear Creek STOP YELLING! Daniel 9 was already fulfilled 2,000 years ago. It should not be considered eschatology at all. And I find no reason in Scripture to believe Paul expected the Rapture to occur before the Temple was destroyed.
the temple was destroyed in 70 AD Right ? Paul wrote 1 and 2 Thess in 50 to 51 AD right ? that means the Paul wrote these words 20 Years before the temple was destroyed.. And We that are alive and remain will be Caught Up Pauls use of the word WE would indicate that he expected to be Caught up in his life time.. ,,,
There is a lot of question begging (i.e. circular reasoning) going on in the naysaying comments regarding Matthew 24. The point here is that Matthew 24 is not about the rapture at all, and thus as regards the biblical teaching of the rapture it should not be confused with it. It it talking about something else entirely and says nothing about being taken up into the air. People have their preconstructed eschatological views and then think that Ben is denying the rapture because he shot down their pet interpretation of Matthew 24. I agree with Ben on Matthew 24. Taken means taken in judgment. It is an expression of wrath. It doesn't refer to being taken into the air. As an illustration of the possible negative use of the word "taken" consider the American expression some parents say when they're angry with their children: "I brought you into this world, and I can take you out of it!" It's hyperbole, of course, just like saying "I'm going to kill you" when you're angry, but the point is "being taken out" is not necessarily a good thing. Being taken out of danger is one thing, but being taken away for wrathful judgment is another entirely. But the good news here: While Matthew 24 is irrelevant to the rapture discussion, 1 Thess 4:17 is quite relevant and it if from that passage and that passage alone that we get the word rapture. The Greek verb for "to be caught up" in Latin is "rapiemur" (as it reads in the Vulgate). That is where we get the word "rapture" from. So Matthew 24 needs to be removed from consideration, because it just confuses the situation.
Context is the key to understanding. Ben used context to explain these verses. The parable of the wheat and tares mentioned that the tares be uprooted and gathered first to be burned and the wheat remains later to be gathered to the barn. The parable of the ten virgins mentioned that the wise virgins met the groom when he came and returned to the banquet, while those who went to buy oil instead were left outside, unable to come in to the wedding banquet. Is rapture found in these parables? Let's see. If rapture (taken away good, left behind bad) were true, the wise virgins would not re-enter the wedding banquet when they meet the groom, which is just the same place they waited for him? If rapture is true again, the wheat should be gathered first and the tares be left behind on the field, but how would any farmer gain from having weeds growing in their yard or field? The answer is always simple, but it eludes us because we are making it complex enough.
@@plainwhitepaper3898 I read of the blessing of taking part in "the first resurrection"(Rev 20:5) but could yo tell me where the rapture is referred to as "the last resurrection" please. Thanks.
@@cyranodicorvino8308 REVELATION 20:4,6 this is the first resurrection. These reign in the Millennium, REVELATION 5:I0 or the Rod of Iron. DANIEL 7:I0, REVELATION 22: Is there a resurrection during the Millennium? I haven't read about one. REVELATION 20:5 The rest of the dead will live again after the thousand years, for GWTJ. After the GWTJ, the New Heaven, and earth will come forth that will be that. So unless there is a second resurrection of the dead, REVELATION 20:5 and I TH 4:I6-I8 must be the final resurrection. Someone said, CHRIST was the first resurrected of the dead. I can Not dispute that, but REVELATION 20:6 Clearly states, This is the FIRST resurrection. Those outlined in REVELATION 2:I0, MATTHEW 24:9, MARK I3:9, LUKE 2I:I2
@@plainwhitepaper3898 Thank you. I suppose it is a question of "when not if". At some point in our future, the believing church that is alive at that time will be snatched away, "raptured" to "meet" The Lord and escort Him back.
Unfortunately, Mr Witherington's take on Mt 24:40,41 is incorrect. When Jesus says: "one shall be taken and the other left", such is to be interpreted as it has traditionally been interpreted: the one taken is the believer, not the unbeliever. Witherington's idea that this "taken" is the same as the non-believers' of Noah's day being taken away by the flood, is wrong. The Greek verbs which relate the two takings are very different. The verb Jesus uses to refer to those taken away by the flood, means "lifted away", as this is what water does. Contrasting, the verb Jesus uses to refer to those who are taken away at His coming, means "is being taken along". Accordingly, v42 says: "Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come." That is, it is unnatural to expect that one will be watching for His Lord to come so that he may be left on the earth. No rather, one watching for His Lord to come from heaven would naturally expect to be taken away with Him, which of course aligns with 1 Thes 4:17 and with Jesus' telling us that He was going to prepare a place for us in His Father's house.
Grace And Peace, Marie. Actually, *God Had It In "Existence" The Very Moment HE Saved* our *apostle, Saul/Paul, By HIS PURE GRACE And MERCY, And God Will* *Recall ALL HIS "GRACE ambassadors!", BEFORE HE "Declares* War/Judgment/Great Tribulation" on a *CHRIST - Rejecting* world!! Amen? *Please Be Very RICHLY Blessed!,* as you Prayerfully Carefully *Examine ALL Of God's "Evidence" For HIS **_SOUND_** Doctrine!* Amen?: ----------------------- *Great GRACE Departure!* {aka rapture} "Outline!": *"Do ALL things Decently And In ORDER!!" (1 Corinthians 14 : 40 KJB!)* *(1A) PEACE With God! "Receiving" The Holy Spirit For "understanding"?* *(1B) 1A "E - X - P - A - N - D - E - D" FOR "Clarification"?* *(2a) Which BIBLE: KJB!* or, Any "newer modern version" will suffice? *(2b) KJB And God's Excellent "study" Rules!?* *(3a) God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided! - "Brief" Introduction...* *(3b) THREE "Ages" Rightly Divided! = God's TIMELINES?* *(4) Which "Gospel!" **_Makes Way_** For Which "Gospel"?* *(5) GREAT Tribulation? Or *tribulations/GREAT GRACE Departure!:* *(6) Pre-TOJT GRACE Departure "Expectations!"?* *(7) God's HEAVENLY UPlook For HIS Body!?* *(8) Watching, Waiting, And Looking for WHOM!* or, "signs"? *(9) He "who withholdeth/hindereth" Until "taken Out!?"* *(10) "Day Of CHRIST!" Rightly Divided from {RDf}:* *"The Day Of The LORD"?* *(11) CONFIDENCE in death/resurrection!, OR, in living/glorification!!?* *(12) CHRIST Will RETURN **_"Without Warning!"?_* *(13)The TWO "Trumps" Of God!, In HIS "Age Of GRACE!!"?* *(14) Meeting HIM "In The Air!" to Heaven!!* vs U-turn (theology???) _Back To earth?_ *(15) Preparation For Judgment!?* *(16) Post Departure "Deception! Question"?* Conclusion!: *(17) **_Distinctions_** Between: The "Mystery" Pre-TOJT GRACE Departure! {RDf}* *The "Prophesied" Second Coming?* *{RDf = "Rightly Divided from" (2 Timothy 2 : 15 KJB!)}* brother Chris --------------------------------------------------------------- "Concise Condensed" *"Evidence Of A Pre-Tribulational Rapture Of The Church!"* by _Ken Lawson_ pg. 21: www.bereanbiblesociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/June-Searchlight-with-hyperlinks.pdf?Berean+Bible+Society&SEARCHLIGHT& -------------------------------------------------------- *God Bless!* OR: *Rightly Divided* "studies" here for your Encouragement! IF you wish… *+ 17-Part Great GRACE Departure!* "study" *(#11):* ru-vid.com/show-UCyxdRMbcLVBWY1HV2Fv8ALQdiscussion
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
I Corinthians 15:23 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God 3 different raptures! II Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Enochs translation makes 4 !
