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Is the Shroud of Turin Real? Here's the BEST Evidence. 

Melissa Dougherty
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In this interview, I sit down with Jeremiah Johnston, renowned theologian and historian, to dive deep into the mysteries of the Shroud of Turin. Is it truly the burial cloth of Jesus Christ, or is it just a centuries-old artifact? There's been new evidence to come forth recently. But I'm not sure I'm convinced. Maybe you're not, either. So, I ask Jeremiah to provide the best evidence for (and against) the Shroud.
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@stephenwalsh9265
@stephenwalsh9265 21 час назад
I don't need a physical "proof" of the resurrection God's word is enough.
@davidmcbrine4527
@davidmcbrine4527 18 часов назад
Good for you! Some people would be convinced by this evidence and stop sitting on the fence and come to Christ.
@nancyjernigan5840
@nancyjernigan5840 17 часов назад
God's word says the head cloth was folded separately! John20
@davidmcbrine4527
@davidmcbrine4527 16 часов назад
@@nancyjernigan5840 Exactly!
@EveLovesChristJesus
@EveLovesChristJesus 15 часов назад
AMEN Stephen! If people can be fooled by a piece of cloth seeking signs wonders and relics they will not stand a chance when the anti-Christ appears 🤦‍♀️
@stephenwalsh9265
@stephenwalsh9265 11 часов назад
@@davidmcbrine4527 Actually people are saved by the spoken gospel of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit not physical objects.
@cottagekeeper
@cottagekeeper 23 часа назад
Melissa please do a follow up with your guest answering the questions posted here.
@tonydeemusic3004
@tonydeemusic3004 17 часов назад
Many of them were answered in this video.
@cottagekeeper
@cottagekeeper 17 часов назад
@@tonydeemusic3004and many were not.
@beverlyhurd8556
@beverlyhurd8556 2 часа назад
@@cottagekeeper Such as?
@butterpecan5642
@butterpecan5642 День назад
Let's focus on being saints in the faith, persevering until the end
@Orquet-qj2nf
@Orquet-qj2nf 14 часов назад
What does that mean? What does it mean to be a saint in the faith? Are you suggesting we ignore the shroud because that contradicts the nebulous term of being a saint? Are you suggesting we should study the shroud with vigour because having evidence helps with persevering in the faith? Are you ignoring the video entirely and making a random statement? I don't understand your intention of making this statement. When you tell people what you think they should be doing, how about a basic run through of your expectations? Then I won't have to add any assumptions to make sense of it. It'll make it a lot easier to tell you whether I agree or if I think you should go take a long walk on a short dock. Right now, the only assumptionless contribution I have is, 'That's nice."
@Tony-q1f
@Tony-q1f 12 часов назад
@@Orquet-qj2nf You sound like you need something nice to happen for a change ion your life. Maybe a nice hug and a warm smile will relax you a bit.
@justjonoutdoors
@justjonoutdoors День назад
People scoff at circumstantial evidence - I was on a jury that returned a 1st degree murder conviction in a case where there was nothing but circumstantial evidence. To this day (several decades later) I have no reservations about that verdict.
@christiansoldier1118
@christiansoldier1118 23 часа назад
Jesus paid the price - and left a receipt - Hallelujah!
@davidmcbrine4527
@davidmcbrine4527 18 часов назад
I like that!
@Tony-q1f
@Tony-q1f 12 часов назад
I get a receipt when I buy my groceries.
@wendinorthcott925
@wendinorthcott925 52 минуты назад
He bought us with a price… his life. He didn’t need to leave a receipt.
@kimtate2285
@kimtate2285 День назад
Great video thank you Melissa 😊
@SarahRose64
@SarahRose64 День назад
This is so fascinating! Thank you Melissa and Jeremiah for the conversation!
@alexandriacolonialtours1269
@alexandriacolonialtours1269 День назад
I think it's legitimate. We'll know for sure when we see the risen Jesus face to face. !!!!
@marysfavs8180
@marysfavs8180 21 час назад
It's surreal to imagine that the blood on that shroud may literally be the blood that was shed for you and I. Thank you Lord Jesus for redemption and salvation.
@wendyraptureready
@wendyraptureready 16 часов назад
I agree, just like Thomas wanted proof.
@junk3996
@junk3996 15 часов назад
you can be assured that His blood touched the mercy seat on the ark. that we can know
@Tony-q1f
@Tony-q1f 12 часов назад
Oh dear... where do you start with this ??
@MultiSky7
@MultiSky7 3 часа назад
@@junk3996 Jesus (His body and blood) is the ark and the seat. 1 Cor. 1:23-25, John 20:12.
@junk3996
@junk3996 Час назад
@@MultiSky7 your scripture references do not make any sense to the point you're trying to make. anyway, Jesus' body and blood are not literally the ark and the seat. the ark and the seat are symbolic of things and actually existed and have a need to be fulfilled in sacrifice. God is not an exception to His rules, He commanded Moses to build and construct everything in a way because thats the way it is for God in heaven (Heb 8:4,5) for Jesus to be considered the sacrifice His blood must have touched that seat, period, and i guarantee you it did. (you can listen to Ron Wyatt's testimony about this)
@Learnerofthings
@Learnerofthings 14 часов назад
I doubt that Jesus would say “an adulterous generation seeks a sign” and then leave a sign.
@theeternalsbeliever1779
@theeternalsbeliever1779 9 часов назад
He did leave a sign, but it wasn't on a piece of cloth. He told the religious elites that the only sign He'd give them was being dead for a full 72 hr period.
@sackettfamily4685
@sackettfamily4685 4 часа назад
That comment is out of context of the recorded conversation. It doesn't matter to this topic of the shroud.
@chebbohagop
@chebbohagop 8 минут назад
Nice
@SereniTy_Corner
@SereniTy_Corner День назад
Yup. Studied the shroud myself a few months ago. I think the blood type: AB and the xray image are what really convinced me, among other things.
@EveLovesChristJesus
@EveLovesChristJesus 15 часов назад
@@SereniTy_Corner Jesus was beaten beyond human likeness. Are you saying God is lying?
@anthonypolonkay2681
@anthonypolonkay2681 14 часов назад
​@@EveLovesChristJesus where does it say that. Because I am pretty sure it only says marred more than any man. Not that he was irrecogniziable
@SereniTy_Corner
@SereniTy_Corner 5 часов назад
@@EveLovesChristJesus the Bible says he could not be recognized. Since you and I did not see him alive we cannot be the judges of that.
@SereniTy_Corner
@SereniTy_Corner 5 часов назад
@@anthonypolonkay2681 even so, since none of us saw him alive, how do we know whether the image was recognizable or not when compared to his human form?
@doxieherblitz
@doxieherblitz 17 часов назад
I thought the shroud was a fake because so many of the "Christian relics" are a joke. Then I looked into it, and now I'm 95% convinced.
@SereniTy_Corner
@SereniTy_Corner 3 часа назад
Yes. We can never be 100% sure, but this definitely stirs one's faith.
@jimmoore9490
@jimmoore9490 3 часа назад
Add the Sudarium to your 5% and now you are at 100%. Someone would have to fake both. And the flawed carbon dating dated the Sudarium at 750AD. The Sudarium has 120 blood stains that match the shroud. So how can this be? 100% now?
@Sandra.shafer7
@Sandra.shafer7 22 часа назад
If you listen carefully, he says that the blood marks are obviously before the resurrection took place, steeping all layers of cloth, the face image though is only superficial, and it’s not blood, (nor other known substance) that includes the beard. THAT is part of the evidence for the resurrected body, remember that the resurrected body will be in the glorified state, that means He would have had his beard again? In His glorified/resurrected body. Sounds like His body changed in the twinkling of an eye. Peace and grace to you.
@tanjasmit7535
@tanjasmit7535 5 часов назад
Amen! What a time to live 😮 May He come soon to take His bride home!! Everything is happening now.... Revelation playing out! 🙏🏻💙🇿🇦
@rinwesley3092
@rinwesley3092 23 часа назад
They buried Christ’s body before nightfall because in Jewish timekeeping sundown is the next day, not sunrise, and that would have been the sabbath in which they were not to do any work since that was the Lord’s day. I don’t know where he’s getting “superstition” from.
@TimothyFish
@TimothyFish 8 часов назад
Given the time at which they went to request the body, I don't think they could have buried the body prior to sunset. I think the crucifixion took place on Thursday, the body was buried after sunset of day, so we would be into Friday night, he was in the tomb all of Friday, all of Saturday, Sunday night and then he rose after sunrise, giving us three nights and three days in which he was in the tomb.
@elijah5791
@elijah5791 День назад
This was an excellent presentation. It should stir the heart and inspire the faith of every Christian. Our God provided the world physical evidence which stubbornly resists and refutes all skeptical inquiries. This is providential and utterly awe inspiring! Thank you, Lord Jesus!
@Tony-q1f
@Tony-q1f 12 часов назад
Just like all the other Catholic relics, they keep the weak minded busy for centuries.
@garbentan
@garbentan 21 час назад
Nice strong evidences just in time for the hardest of times
@Tony-q1f
@Tony-q1f 12 часов назад
The hardest of times ?? Like we needed this right now to cheer us up.... an old bit of rag ???? sheeesh!
@TheTrueSonOfFire
@TheTrueSonOfFire 19 часов назад
Shroud of tourism
@cinnamonbiscuit727
@cinnamonbiscuit727 3 часа назад
This
@BethCJesuslovesme
@BethCJesuslovesme 22 часа назад
I think this was a great discussion! Definitely important to talk about because we never now what God might have preserved for us. I think it’s a good reminder that our faith is not blind. However, we should never direct our worship to any evidence. Our faith should also not depend on all of this evidence but only Gods word and the transformation that has happened in our lives. Evidence only builds on faith.
@ayosunday802
@ayosunday802 День назад
First to watch... first to like! God bless you sister!
@phdjjj
@phdjjj 20 часов назад
The face cloth is a "jaw band" ... important distinction.
@nancyjernigan5840
@nancyjernigan5840 17 часов назад
I've commented to countless posts that his head cloth was 😢😢folded separately. 😢 I don't know how the shroud could be Jesus Christ 😮.
@beverlyhurd8556
@beverlyhurd8556 14 часов назад
Those of us that are both intelligent and know the Bible as well as the Shroud know that the facecloth of Jesus was wrapped around his head after he died but was still on the cross. After Joeseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus brought the body of Jesus into the tomb it was removed, folded, and set aside. It was never put back on him again. Had he been wearing it his image would be on there and not the Shroud.
@clintpospichal6498
@clintpospichal6498 22 часа назад
I don't need the shroud for proof of Christ being we have Bibles so if you read the scriptures and look at history you have no need of the shroud because at this point it's mostly guess work
@ByDesign333
@ByDesign333 День назад
Commentors finding this as a thing to encouraging souls to be doing idol worship; would they accuse God of tempting ancient Israel for reverencing the items from Moses' and Aaron's artifacts of divine involvement? I saw the wrong in Roman Catholic idolotry via "relics"; but God DOES give us physical evidences when he so chooses. You should think first what youre doing ppl. To some of us, the Scriptures plus creation/life is plenty enough.
@daveandersen6453
@daveandersen6453 23 часа назад
There's no implications in the video that it should be worshipped as a relic. It is presented as evidence for the resurrection. Very different from idol worship
@rinwesley3092
@rinwesley3092 23 часа назад
Please learn what idol worship really means instead of spreading your irrational bias.
@honeybun3492
@honeybun3492 21 час назад
Do you think Christians commit idolatry with crosses? Like wearing them, hanging them up, praying looking at them, etc.?
@theeternalsbeliever1779
@theeternalsbeliever1779 9 часов назад
@@honeybun3492 Wearing crucifixes, hanging them up, and praying while looking at them is idol worship. None of these customs are promoted in the Bible, and all of those customs come from the Tammuz cults like the crucifix itself did.
@philyra8991
@philyra8991 День назад
Thank you for looking into this.
@wendyraptureready
@wendyraptureready 15 часов назад
I suppose the shroud survived all these years for the "doubting Thomas's"
@undergroundpublishing
@undergroundpublishing 21 час назад
I think the Scriptures preclude the Shroud of Turin being legit. John 11:44 shows Lazarus "bound hand and foot with graveclothes, and his face bound about with a napkin." This suggests something more like the body being wrapped by cloth, not just with a shroud folded over a naked body. John and Luke also testify about Jesus having a separate "napkin" or head cloth in John 20:7, mentioning the same "linen clothes," and "napkin," suggested they were buried the exact same way. Neither suggests a large shroud over a naked body, but wrappings over the body and a cloth over the head. The fact that people are obsessing about this seems akin to flat earth, or Nephilim obsessions. People seem to get on board with anything but evangelism and eschatology, all while the world is transparently spiraling into the last days all around us. Seems like par for the course these days.
@beverlyhurd8556
@beverlyhurd8556 20 часов назад
Those of us that are both intelligent and know the Bible as well as the Shroud know that the facecloth of Jesus was wrapped around his head after he died but was still on the cross. After Joeseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus brought the body of Jesus into the tomb it was removed, folded, and set aside. It was never put back on him again. Had he been wearing it his image would be on there and not the Shroud. Is there any way possible that you can understand that?
@davidmoran4506
@davidmoran4506 19 часов назад
The fact the shroud bears evidence and was folded by the Lord, and left is Hebrew and Jewish custom similar to folding a napkin. It meant that the person was going to return. In like manner, Jesus was making a statement.
@drrightlife
@drrightlife 13 часов назад
See my comment for further evidence of what you are saying. People who claom the Shroud was used on the dead body of Jesus are totally ignorant and untaught of the original Greek manuscripts.
@drrightlife
@drrightlife 12 часов назад
Jsus died on Passover day, which was THURSDAY NOT FRIDAY! Notice that in John 20 it says the dead body could not be on the cross after sundown, BECAUSE THE NEXT DAY WAS NOT A USUAL SABBATH, BUT A SPECIAL HIGH SABBATH OF THE FIRST DAY OF UNLEAVENED BREAD, AS PER LEVITICUS. which is the DAY BEFORE the Special Sabbath of first day of Unleavened bread. To the Jews, a part of a day or night counts as a whole day or night. Jesus voluntarily died physically around 3 M, the 9th hour, so thatis day 1 Thursday, day 2 Friday (1st day of Unleavened bread, special Sabbath, day 3 Saturday the ordinary Sabbath... He rose from the dead before sunrise of Sunday, 1st day of the week. 3 DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS, the Jews usually thought of a day as beginning at sundown to sundown, or nights and days. Sundown Thursday is one night, sundown Friday is night two, sundown Saturday is night three. We know this is the Truth case because of what Jesus Himself said, that he would be in the earth 3 days and three nights, and 1 Cor 15 confirms this.
@messiahspeople
@messiahspeople 5 часов назад
Can you please give a verifiable reference for the alleged custom of the folded napkin?
@2000dns
@2000dns 23 часа назад
The fact that the linen cloth was left in the tomb means that He will be back.
@drrightlife
@drrightlife 13 часов назад
The Bible, gospel of John, says Jesus dead body was wrapped as the Jews normally wraped a dead body, and this is also in same words how Lazarus was wrapped LIKE AN EGYPTIAN MIMMY. Note in John 20 that there are at least three words for "seeing" and the third is when John "saw and believed." This is omportant if you do not read and know the Greek, because WHAT DID JOHN SEE (horizo)? It was that the grave clothes were lying there UNDISTURBED as though the dead body was still in them, BUT YHE FACE CLOTH WAS SEPARATED FROM THEM WRAPPED BY ITSELF. That word wrapped is the same as in John 11 describing Lazarus coming out of the cave tomb "wrapped" and Jesus instructed the crowd to unwra him, HE HAD THE STRIPS OF GRAVE CLOTH WOUND AROUND HIM. This is the word used in John 20 about the face cloth "wrapped" by otself separately. NOW LOOK, WHAT JOHN SAW WAS THAT THE RESURRECTED BODY OF LORD JESUS HAD PASSED THROUGH THE UNDISTURBED GRAVE CLOTHS AND HAD SEPARATELY WRAPPED THE FACE CLOTH WOUND AROUND ITSELF, SO JOHN KNEW THE TRUE HUMAN JESUS WAS THE ONLY ONE TO DO THIS AND HE IS ALIVE AFTER BEING DEAD! The theory of the shroud of Turin is not a wrapping around, AS THE JEWS NORMALLY DID, but covering like you would lay between sheets or covers in bed. THE BIBLE IN THE ORIGINAL GREEK MAKES IT VERY CLEAR that the shroud of Turin could NOT have been used to bury Jesus. PERIOD. Examine what John 20 and 11 say about how the Jews buried their dead and why that is the definitive roof that thr true human, the Lord Jesus, IS NOW ALIVE NEVER TO PHYSICALLY DIE AGAIN!!!
@robertsandberg2246
@robertsandberg2246 14 часов назад
49:00: As a delivery driver for Sherwin Williams, I can confirm that paint indeed does not have a blood type.
@melindamercier6811
@melindamercier6811 День назад
Why I’m still a skeptic: Isaiah 52:14 says He would be disfigured to the point of not even looking human, Isaiah 50:6 states his beard would be ripped out, and John 20:7 is clear that there was a separate FACE cloth that COVERED his head (emphasized to dispute the argument that it was the strip of cloth used to keep the jaws closed) and that it was separate from the linens that wrapped around his body. Almost as if to preemptively negate the idea of this relic. There is also an absolutely shocking lack of blood on the shroud given everything that happened to Jesus.
@annemurphy9339
@annemurphy9339 23 часа назад
There is a separate face cloth that has been scientifically proven to have been on the same body, known as the Sudarium of Oviedo. I’m surprised how rarely it’s mentioned. There are also areas on the face where parts of the beard have been ripped out, which is discussed & described in various study notes on the shroud.
@daveandersen6453
@daveandersen6453 23 часа назад
Also it says that he was "marred more than any man". Doesn't say that he was not recognizeable.
@clintpospichal6498
@clintpospichal6498 23 часа назад
I agree with you, I too am not convinced
@cottagekeeper
@cottagekeeper 23 часа назад
How long was Jesus on the cross I think much of His precious blood remained on the ground beneath the cross, even where He was flogged too. 😢
@gabriellehoffman7572
@gabriellehoffman7572 23 часа назад
My question is, whether it is real or not, why is this being brought back into the public's attention NOW after it was intentionally buried in the 1980s? It's been hidden in the Vatican's shelves for DECADES and now, when Paris seems to brag that they're announcing the coming the the Son of Perdition, suddenly we're taking about material evidence for Jesus Christ. Is this God's evidence answer to His reality, or Satan's deception foe a coming Imposter? Asking honestly as a believing Christian.
@michaeltiza232
@michaeltiza232 21 час назад
It's hard to get over how much the shroud looks like the 15th century painting of someone's son, that became the popular image of Jesus.
@stephenwalsh9265
@stephenwalsh9265 20 часов назад
My question is why would the one who said "Blessed is he who has not seen and has believed" provide physical proof in this instance only and no others in all of Biblical history?
@jessicalightwarrior7276
@jessicalightwarrior7276 19 часов назад
JESUS SAID THAT TO DOUBTING THOMAS! Read John 20 for much more context. It's so good, you won't regret it.
@stephenwalsh9265
@stephenwalsh9265 11 часов назад
@@jessicalightwarrior7276 I have read it many times. The whole book.
@sackettfamily4685
@sackettfamily4685 3 часа назад
I would point out how until very recently hardly anyone had heard of, let alone seen this. Many people did get to see things and believed, while others don't. It doesn't discount seeing evidence and then believing, but is making a point. That those whose heart believes in Jesus without seeing the "proofs" are more blessed. It would be a cruel thing to demand belief of everyone without a shred of proof. That would be impossible for many people, and how they're wired with common sense.
@coolguybob
@coolguybob День назад
What about how Isaiah says they plucked out his beard? He still has a beard in this image.
@annemurphy9339
@annemurphy9339 23 часа назад
Parts of the beard on the image have been ripped out, and appear covered by other parts of the beard. The details are recorded in study notes on the shroud.
@Harpazo_to_Yeshua
@Harpazo_to_Yeshua 23 часа назад
If I were to have the Shroud and it's guaranteed to be real, I'd only use it to remind me of what Jesus went through and that He rose from the dead by the Power of the Holy Spirit of God Who now dwells in my heart right now. The cloth, unto itself, is not to be revered, but the Person of God Who entered flesh to Sacrifice Himself to save us from ourselves. It's like a picture you have in your wallet of your loved ones. The picture itself is not loved, but the picture reminds you of who you love. I'm glad I was not the interviewer here because I cried like 6 times throughout hearing what Jesus went through for us. I could not hold it together. So even if this was a fraud shroud, it is still helping us remember what Jesus went through for us. Love in action, not just word. :')
@crazyman4985
@crazyman4985 22 часа назад
This. Evidences left from God is wonderful, but by no means replaces the Gospel or is to be worshipped as it is a CLOTH. Many Christians are like threathened in unhealthy fear of this cloth like it's an attack on the gospel or something.. smh
@savedbygodsgrace1118
@savedbygodsgrace1118 14 часов назад
The LORD God does not contradict Himself, and would not violate His own commandment. Exodus 20:4 (NLT) “You must not make for yourself an idol of any kind or an IMAGE of anything in the heavens or on the earth or in the sea.
@beverlyhurd8556
@beverlyhurd8556 12 часов назад
Only man can make a graven image. Man did not put the image of Christ on the Shroud. God did. Keep that in mind, OK?
@TheElizabethashby
@TheElizabethashby 9 часов назад
@@beverlyhurd8556 PROVE IT
@theeternalsbeliever1779
@theeternalsbeliever1779 9 часов назад
@@beverlyhurd8556 Seeing as though Jesus was the God specifically outlawed ANYBODY from making physical representations of Him, it makes no sense whatsoever to conclude that He'd contradict Himself.
@tyowongndeso
@tyowongndeso 6 часов назад
God made his own image, we are made according to his image.
@beverlyhurd8556
@beverlyhurd8556 5 часов назад
@@TheElizabethashby Wow you sound so far gone. You want me to prove that only man can make a graven image, eh? Well, do you know anyone _other- than a human that can make one?? Are you on some kind of medication or something? In a group home perhaps?
@ChildOfGodSJ
@ChildOfGodSJ 17 часов назад
Look up the Hiroshima shadows!
@1960ARC
@1960ARC 6 часов назад
Stop saying crucified criminal. Jesus was innocent!!! We are the sinful that he died for.
@miradamevska5887
@miradamevska5887 7 часов назад
Jerimiah, I have been a Christian all my life, albeit my many times falling off the wayside, but I too was a believer as a very small child and all I needed to know was that Jesus is, and that's all!
@BtotheeB
@BtotheeB 12 часов назад
Also watch RU-vidr Metatron’s take on it. He’s hyper intelligent and incredibly fair minded…
@breadofcomfort
@breadofcomfort 11 часов назад
Dear Thomas, we do no longer know Jesus in the flesh; Our faith is in Jesus Christ through His Word. It does not matter if physical evidence is left behind, since that has nothing to do with believing that His blood will cleanse you from all your sins.
@aw6707
@aw6707 16 часов назад
Hubby's reaction to the blood type: "AB is the universal donor!" 😍
@chiew-weichin3662
@chiew-weichin3662 14 часов назад
AB is the univeral receipient
@aw6707
@aw6707 14 часов назад
@@chiew-weichin3662 ah you are correct. Universal recipient for red blood cells, universal do or for plasma.
@chiew-weichin3662
@chiew-weichin3662 13 часов назад
@@aw6707 ah right 😃
@joanf9303
@joanf9303 13 часов назад
O is the universal donor
@SereniTy_Corner
@SereniTy_Corner 3 часа назад
o is
@lorianthony4749
@lorianthony4749 22 часа назад
According to Isaiah 52:14, Jesus was disfigured beyond any human likeness. The well-defined face on the shroud would not seem to fit this description. I would love to know Jeremiah's thoughts about this. Thank you both for this fascinating discussion.
@mikehartley9352
@mikehartley9352 18 часов назад
Excellent point!!
@johnwestervelt7454
@johnwestervelt7454 20 часов назад
Absolutely and I've always been. I've never trusted those who claimed it wasn't simply based on the facts that they wanted to prove it wasn't, instead of trying to prove one or the other
@ftldelay
@ftldelay 20 часов назад
There are so many other details about the shroud that they didn't have time to touch on that further prove it's authenticity. This topic is well-worth digging into further as it will serve to further strengthen our faith in our risen Savior!
@sharondoan1447
@sharondoan1447 17 часов назад
It is troubling to think that people who profess to be Christians are clinging to the potential validity of a piece of cloth made by a human. This all seems contrary to a faith based belief in Salvation through Jesus.
@brendabeamerford4555
@brendabeamerford4555 21 час назад
NE GATIVE IMAGE Leonardo da Vinci messing around
@lindadodd3829
@lindadodd3829 4 часа назад
Ah. AND HERE IT IS. BUY MY BOOK. PEOPLE!!! RUNNNNNNNNNN
@TheElizabethashby
@TheElizabethashby 9 часов назад
OOH HIS LYING EYES DONT FORGET TO BUY HIS BOOKS $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
@stephenwalsh9265
@stephenwalsh9265 20 часов назад
Incense huh? Burning incense as an act of worship is a common historical occurrence. Faith is the evidence of things not seen.
@joemichener2337
@joemichener2337 22 часа назад
Can you put the links to the research he is presenting?
@davidpaul9961
@davidpaul9961 22 часа назад
John 20:3-7 says what wrapped Jesus’ body and his head were separate, does it not?
@nielgregory108
@nielgregory108 22 часа назад
details......be damned.
@serifen888
@serifen888 22 часа назад
Yes, the cloth that wrapped his head was placed on him when he was taken down from the cross for transportation to the tomb. This cloth exists, the blood stains on it match perfectly the stains on the Turin Shroud, it is from the time and area of Jesus, and many more details. Research the Sudario of Oviedo.
@davidpaul9961
@davidpaul9961 22 часа назад
@@serifen888 but the shroud is one piece, is it not? So doesn’t that contradict one cloth for his head, and one for the rest of his body?
@serifen888
@serifen888 21 час назад
Did you receive my comment with the link about the Sudarium of Oviedo? It may have been blocked, because I don't see it.
@davidpaul9961
@davidpaul9961 21 час назад
@@serifen888 I did not get the link.
@Agg1E91
@Agg1E91 2 часа назад
It's a nice additional piece of evidence, if it is actually Christ's burial shroud and can be proven so beyond a reasonable doubt. To Christians, that is. To unbelievers, if it sparks curiosity and interest which can be followed up with a clear and sound proclamation of the gospel to that person, that's great. But keep in mind that most of the people in Jesus' physical presence for 3+ years, who heard him speak and saw the miracles (so many more than recorded in scripture) still did not commit to him. Many actively disbelieved still. Given that, be tempered when considering the effective impact of the shroud (or the ark or the covenant, or Noah's ark, etc.)
@kathyd456
@kathyd456 2 часа назад
Thanks Jeremiah and Melissa! I really enjoyed this as it helped me recall my sense of wonder that I had as a 9 or 10 year old first hearing about it.
@awethinic8379
@awethinic8379 4 часа назад
When the actual 3d image is made into a 2d image. It will not look like a picture. It will have distortion. The picture would have a much wider face. All in all, the shroud has no value to me. I know Jesus rose from the dead. I know he is the messiah.
@pattiramirez6257
@pattiramirez6257 22 часа назад
Isaiah 52:13 to Isaiah 53, is clearly scripture about Jesus. Verse 52:14 makes a reference to his appearance after his scourging, "Like as many were astonished at thee (his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men)". This cloth does not give that impression at all.
@dia8013
@dia8013 20 часов назад
if you take the Bible literal, then by following your logic, the Earth must be flat and square..
@Orquet-qj2nf
@Orquet-qj2nf 13 часов назад
​@@dia8013 Don't forget round and footstool shaped at the same time as flat and square. Also, maybe mention idioms that don't translate very well and were never meant to be taken literally. But I'd have look at what happens to swelling after a body dies to say how much we should expect. I think I see a bit of it. The nose is crooked and the body is absolutely covered in cuts and that is certainly disfigured.
@jimmoore9490
@jimmoore9490 3 часа назад
Sudarium of Oviedo,. 120 blood stains line up with the Shroud.
@leechrec
@leechrec 6 часов назад
There is much more evidence of its authenticity than evidence against.
@gabriellehoffman7572
@gabriellehoffman7572 22 часа назад
If it has Jesus' blood on it, it's quite possible Hitler could want it for THAT reason, given his fascination with the occult which holds blood highly important, and Christ's blood, is of THE utmost importance to us ALL! We receive its spilling as a gift of sacrifice, but they would seek to use it for themselves and their own purposes.
@amdi4978
@amdi4978 19 часов назад
Thank you for this beautiful video. As a practicing Catholic, the protestant world over analyzes heart felt devotion as idol worshipping. Of course it is not worshiping to kiss the shroud of turin or a cross. Is it idol worshipping to kiss your mom or her picture out of love? Hope you see that Jesus loves our expressions of love to all who and what he loves.
@racerx4152
@racerx4152 23 часа назад
at the end of the gospel of john it says that jesus' body was wrapped with strips of cloth up to the neck, and there was a separate cloth to cover the face. no mention of a shroud. we know that if you wrap a shroud around the body of a person, the imprint would be uneven and make the body look fat. the shroud is a painting. just because we don't know exactly how it was produced, doesn't make it supernatural.
@hambam7533
@hambam7533 21 час назад
scientist have used the lastest tech on it and they say no paint or stain on the shroud period its not painted in its not burned in its impossible for modern science to explan thats why have have not been able to debunk it or they would
@Emet-Debar
@Emet-Debar 18 часов назад
Exactly!
@annnelson2044
@annnelson2044 17 часов назад
Interesting observations.
@tonydeemusic3004
@tonydeemusic3004 17 часов назад
The gospels (including John) never mention “up to the neck” so that’s a straight out “you’ve read into it” thing. The way the shroud is described to have been placed does not contradict anything that the gospels say was there. You can simultaneously have a shroud, a headpiece and strips of cloth and the Bible does not make it clear at all in which order they were placed. Just because a shroud is not mentioned doesn’t mean it wasn’t there. That goes for thousands of other examples in the Bible and John is one guy who even wrote that.
@TimothyFish
@TimothyFish 7 часов назад
Don't go stating the obvious like that; there aren't grants to pay scientists to state the obvious.
@JohnSmith-vp4ft
@JohnSmith-vp4ft 18 часов назад
I said on another youtube comments section this was the calling card of God. Another way of describing it that came to my mind is this is the ultimate easter egg left by God for us. Grace and Gratitude for this.
@kittenwiskerz299
@kittenwiskerz299 22 часа назад
John 20:7 says that the wrapping that had been on Jesus' head was not with the linen cloths but was folded up separately. This single piece 'shroud' does not comply with the bible.
@loveemotion4080
@loveemotion4080 22 часа назад
There’s the sudarium of oviedo that matches the wounds and blood from the shroud.
@solrac41604
@solrac41604 20 часов назад
The video did mention that the Jews would often add an additional shroud/wrap around the jaw/face of the deceased to prevent their face from being in an open-mouth position. So it is possible that the main shroud covered his body while a smaller shroud was placed to secure his face on top. But that's just my 2 cents anyway.
@bjqb1108
@bjqb1108 20 часов назад
@@kittenwiskerz299 yep
@Dominick7
@Dominick7 20 часов назад
You're confusing the Sudarium of Oviedo with the shroud.. this has been addressed a million times.. can't recall but it was either that the shroud covered his whole body, the head covering went over the shroud over his head or vice versa.
@davidmcbrine4527
@davidmcbrine4527 18 часов назад
Of course it complies with the Bible. As you said, there were two parts to the burial cloths. One for the head (sudarium) and the big main shroud which covered His body. The shroud of Turin is just the body covering. Your confused.
@ohhellno8759
@ohhellno8759 13 часов назад
34:17 well obviously the forgers beat up some guy and then sprinkled his blood on it lmao
@joykeebler1916
@joykeebler1916 23 часа назад
- well Hitler probably wanted to put it on and wear it _then maybe, he would have disintegrated while wearing it ,amen
@timbo365
@timbo365 14 часов назад
I just look at it and know it’s fake.
@TimothyFish
@TimothyFish 7 часов назад
Yep. But for some reason, people skip past simple common sense and jump into scientific tests. None of us can push back against the scientific tests, because we don't have access to the cloth. The best way to get people to ignore the obvious is to throw a bunch of unreproducible science out there like it is important.
@susannah1066
@susannah1066 47 секунд назад
I became a Christian in 1984-that's when I first saw the famous picture-and thought; "he looks 58-not 33." I have never believed it.
@jublli2690
@jublli2690 20 часов назад
I am Catholic and give you credit for this post very open minded.
@DemocratsRPedos
@DemocratsRPedos 12 часов назад
No, it’s not real, the buybull is a book of astro-theology.
@chuckperschbacher2983
@chuckperschbacher2983 20 часов назад
The coins that were over the eyes show Pontius Pilate on them...
@zedfernandes7622
@zedfernandes7622 4 часа назад
The. Bilirubin test has been peer reviewed and found to be WRONG. And still I notice that this is being touted as being responsible for the "red" colour of the blood.
@beverlyhurd8556
@beverlyhurd8556 4 часа назад
Oh who told you that lie?? And you, for real, _believed_ them?? Are you smarter than the blood chemists that have _hands-on_ studied the Shroud of Turin and say emphatically that it is just _saturated_ with high levels of bilirubin?
@jublli2690
@jublli2690 16 часов назад
This has been around for 2000 years even though protestants are just realizing it. Nobody is worshipping it. Veneration yes not worshipping it.
@theeternalsbeliever1779
@theeternalsbeliever1779 9 часов назад
Venerating something is the same as worshiping it.
@TimothyFish
@TimothyFish 7 часов назад
Veneration is just another word for worship.
@Tonyhodges33
@Tonyhodges33 16 часов назад
Thank you both. Great video!
@RandomTChance
@RandomTChance 23 часа назад
Nope. It's not real. 🤷‍♂️
@beverlyhurd8556
@beverlyhurd8556 20 часов назад
Says no intelligent person ever in all of history.
@traciemcdaniel3660
@traciemcdaniel3660 18 часов назад
​@@beverlyhurd8556now, that's not very nice. Jesus himself said the ONLY sign that will be given is the sign of Jonah.
@beverlyhurd8556
@beverlyhurd8556 16 часов назад
@@traciemcdaniel3660 Being truthful and honest is not being nice in your mind? Interesting. So do you think that it was Jesus' idea to have his likeness on his burial shroud?
@Orquet-qj2nf
@Orquet-qj2nf 13 часов назад
​@@traciemcdaniel3660Jesus was talking to Pharisees at the time. Context. We need context. Also, the shroud is sort of related to the sign of Jonah, being buried for three days.
@traciemcdaniel3660
@traciemcdaniel3660 2 минуты назад
@@beverlyhurd8556 I don't think it's Jesus
@brenmanock
@brenmanock 18 часов назад
I was a Catholic and they really live their relics.
@Dominick7
@Dominick7 18 часов назад
I'm about 80-95% certain its legit.
@annnelson2044
@annnelson2044 17 часов назад
So, none who entered the tomb notices any coloration on the sroud? I'd think they would have mentioned the coloring even if they didnt see an image. Also, Jesus was covered with around 75 pounds of aloe and myrh. Are there remanants or markings of these elements.
@Orquet-qj2nf
@Orquet-qj2nf 13 часов назад
I'll have to look up whether Jesus was covered in 75 pounds of burial spice stuff or if the women brought it, intending to cover Jesus with it, but oh, no, he's not there. 🤔
@daveandersen6453
@daveandersen6453 День назад
Have seen Dr Johnston's stuff before. He's a stand up guy who takes a non biased view of this information. I went from skeptical to a believer in the shroud
@DoyouevenknowtheTruth
@DoyouevenknowtheTruth День назад
JESUS would not look like white dude. Have you read the bible?
@phdjjj
@phdjjj День назад
Thanks!
@beverlyhurd8556
@beverlyhurd8556 23 часа назад
@@DoyouevenknowtheTruth How about you telling us where in the Bible does it describe how Jesus looked when he walked the Earth? Book, chapter, and verse please.
@jerviasjohnson700
@jerviasjohnson700 День назад
This video was so good, I finished it in 60 seconds!
@TheElizabethashby
@TheElizabethashby День назад
ME TOO
@dannydocekal8870
@dannydocekal8870 20 часов назад
I’m not a buyer!
@jol8992
@jol8992 21 час назад
I'm still not convinced, His beard was pulled out
@beverlyhurd8556
@beverlyhurd8556 20 часов назад
Some of it was and the Shroud proves this. But no one gave Jesus a shave.
@e.m.8094
@e.m.8094 День назад
I feel like I might be one of the only people who really doesn't care. LOL
@jannmacdougall1448
@jannmacdougall1448 День назад
That is to sad it is clear factual evidence of the ressurection of our Lord and Savior, all He went through for us and the power of our God, He is alive❤
@cindyherrera9294
@cindyherrera9294 23 часа назад
I know right? I have the word of God, what He said id true, I do not need outside proof!
@nerychristian
@nerychristian 23 часа назад
​@@cindyherrera9294All archeological evidence that supports the bible is beneficial for us.
@crazyman4985
@crazyman4985 22 часа назад
I agree, for some reason i feel some Christians are like afraid of this being real, if we are true Christians we know not to worship a cloth, but how amazing our Lord leaves us little bits of evidence like this​@@nerychristian
@kellylundblad2616
@kellylundblad2616 22 часа назад
It helps prove to skeptics the veracity of the biblical accounts.
@eveclark1541
@eveclark1541 День назад
Why all the fuss? Why does it matter? And isn't any regard to relics of any kind akin to idolatry?
@rinwesley3092
@rinwesley3092 День назад
No. Regard is not idolatry.
@michaelwittkopp3379
@michaelwittkopp3379 День назад
My thoughts also. *_Even if_* it were authentic, I'd avoid it like the pest. It's pure unadulterated idolatry. It being held in regard is; ἀντί Χριστός. As in; some one, or some thing, replacing Jesus.
@ByDesign333
@ByDesign333 День назад
We can marvel over the written Canonical Holy Writ, and choose to worship the book or worship its author. Our choice.
@melindamercier6811
@melindamercier6811 День назад
There’s no idolatry in being mildly interested in the topic nor in believing it’s real (which I don’t). Plenty of people still search for Noah’s Ark, the Ark of the Covenant, etc. It’s when people begin to worship it, find some significance in it other than historical/archaeological in it, and/or become obsessed with it that it becomes idolatry.
@elijah5791
@elijah5791 День назад
Idolatry? Huh? You clearly don’t know the definition of the term. Idolatry draws us away from God; artifacts like this draw us to Him.
@homemadetheology
@homemadetheology 22 часа назад
Off course it is Real duh... Jesus took a picture and left it for us to idolize! Oy vey🤦‍♀🤦‍♀
@TheElizabethashby
@TheElizabethashby 9 часов назад
LOL
@chebbohagop
@chebbohagop 27 минут назад
Thanks Melissa! Love your channel! That said, Even well done scientific research is incomplete until it is validated by corroboration. Do we have other published papers corroborating these works?
@josefadario6593
@josefadario6593 4 минуты назад
I think the shroud replicates Isaiah 53 ! The Bible doesn't say His full beard was plucked out 😮
@bobbymichaels2
@bobbymichaels2 15 часов назад
His head was wrapped with a separate cloth.
@beverlyhurd8556
@beverlyhurd8556 14 часов назад
When he was brought into the tomb it was. Then it was taken off of him and set aside. Only the Shroud covered his body.
@marciegunter1049
@marciegunter1049 18 минут назад
Reminds me of J. Warner Wallace and his book ‘Cold Case Christianity’.
@TimothyFish
@TimothyFish 8 часов назад
I find it so silly that this is even a thing. You can just look at the image and tell that the image doesn't match what it would look like if it were formed by contact with a body. For this image to form from a body the cloth would have needed to be lain flat, the body laid on top of it, then the cloth pulled over the top of his head and then stretched out straight. "Stretched", not "wrapped" because if it were wrapped then the image wouldn't be so symmetrical. It is more likely that someone took an ordinary burial cloth and then drew an image on it like what they thought it would look like if it were formed by contact with Jesus.
@beverlyhurd8556
@beverlyhurd8556 4 часа назад
If everyone watched the video or at least knew _anything_ about the Holy Shroud then they would know that it was not wrapped around him but only laid on top of him when he was resurrected. And the image proves that 100%.
@MultiSky7
@MultiSky7 2 часа назад
When they start with "drawing of the image" and the rest of non sense, I really feel the pain of their flat EEG.
@beverlyhurd8556
@beverlyhurd8556 2 часа назад
@@MultiSky7 Um...what are you trying to say here exactly? That actually makes no sense at all. Try again?
@TimothyFish
@TimothyFish 26 минут назад
@@beverlyhurd8556, laid on top doesn't work. The top and the bottom image align if the cloth is folded. That would only happen if they were parallel planes. The bottom might have been on a plane, but gravity would have caused the top bend in all sorts of ways.
@StudentDad-mc3pu
@StudentDad-mc3pu 20 часов назад
No.
@Lasuth82
@Lasuth82 21 час назад
Great interview!
@lindadodd3829
@lindadodd3829 4 часа назад
Shame. Ugh. Total distraction and new item to distract. AND THE PEOPLE LOVE IT SO. 😢
@Mrbiblical777
@Mrbiblical777 8 часов назад
100% its YESHUA on the cloth, evidence is v powerful & it relates to the bible. Wow. YESHUA is the most famous person ever in history. 🙏🏿👍🏽😎
@Kevin-w2c8i
@Kevin-w2c8i 2 часа назад
PS thank you Melissa this is a great video, awesome guest that I will look into. PSS love your hairstyle in this vid!
@expressoevangelism80
@expressoevangelism80 11 часов назад
What difference does it make? A piece of old material with an image of a face molded onto it. So what? If it was Jesus? So what? Does it make anyone love God more? That is the relevant question. Jesus was a man who lived, that is widely accepted. Why He allowed himself to die and rise again is the only relevant question. Does that make any difference to your life?
@azboldazalion1938
@azboldazalion1938 Час назад
It's a catholic thing, they love relics and items to show miracles and their faith, instead of just trusting in Jesus alone and accepting His grace. Ephesians 2:8-9.
@stephentaylor2051
@stephentaylor2051 4 часа назад
My question is why do why not have this relic mentioned in the Book of Acts, or the post-gospel scripture?
@BryanRuffin
@BryanRuffin 5 часов назад
Did I hear him right? I think he said we need a evidence based faith? My hearing is really bad, I could be declared legally deaf in my left ear, so please clairify.
@cosmichrist
@cosmichrist 3 часа назад
Whew, I thought you were having Jeremiah Johnson on for a second. Whew. ;p
@jeffboehm5147
@jeffboehm5147 16 часов назад
Great video! If it is real.. great, but it doesn't matter because Christ himself is to be our focus not an object.there are examples in scripture against highly regarding an object.
@tarapauls6812
@tarapauls6812 18 часов назад
Thanks for this interview, Melissa. Is there any way you could cite a list of the references (studies) Jeremiah mentioned for those of us who wish to read them for ourselves? Thanks so much for what you do. I really appreciate your talks.
@joshj3662
@joshj3662 16 часов назад
It is as real as the climate changing. It rains, and tommorrow it rains again but then the sun comes out tommorrow. When I think of a day that grey and lonely, I just stick up my chin and grin and say...the sun will come out tommorrow, gotta hang on till tommorrow, till there is none.
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