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🇺🇸 4Runner! Old , proven, made in JAPAN! I'd get ko2. But, would buy the 4runnner with locking diff. The ATrac saved my butt many times. Rav4 prime if your worried about mpg!
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@@richardoaks3597 the SR5 is ok but not as good as the TRD OR. The rear locker is good to have the the MTS allows you to tweak and tune the A-TRAC. I wouldn't own a SR5 after wheeling an OR.
@@MrCherrygrovedude that makes sense if your off-roading with it lots. In my case I knew it was going to be a family hauler and the odd trail here and there so I decided to skip on the off-road trim.
No it hasn’t. It was an issue with supply that has been since fixed that is old news. Own a 2013 4Runner and I would love a bronco. Nothing wrong with new. Toyota become overrated and underwhelming
4Runner all the way. All that goodness plus all that longevity and reliability can’t be beat. Plus if it’s not a 40th anniversary edition, then you could get a trd off road for the same price and get that locker, and crawl control. Screaming deal. Great video guys, love the content
I always like it when you guys review a 4Runner. I think especially cool to have one without the locker and crawl control, stock tires - see how capable that setup really is. Thanks for the great video!
Start with a TRD OffRoad and you'll get a factory locker, multi-terrain select, and crawl control... for less money than the 40th anniversary. The 40th is significantly overpriced for what it is - an appearance package on an SR5.
For a closer comparison, the TRD Off Road Premium should have been used for this video. It has a rear locking differential, multi terrain select and crawl control. It also comes with better tires.
Great video guys. I have an 07 FJ with the 4.0 liter engine and the 5 speed auto transmission. I don't recall ever having trouble keeping up with traffic lol. It's not a power house though. The best thing about that set up is that I have 198,000 miles on it and it has had an alternator and water pump put on it. Everything else is original and I honestly can't imagine it running any better than it does. Thanks guys
@@marcusaurelius5576 it's a crazy capable and crazy reliable vehicle. The things it will do off road amaze me frequently. I can't believe the thing doesn't leak or use a drop of oil with that many miles but this is the first Toyota I've ever owned
@@alexs3187 I'm in east Tennessee. I have a 7 1/2 acre wooded property that I've climbed around on. Scary at first till I realized that it was easy in the FJ lol
When a 4runner is getting compared with almost every single offroad capable suvs, you already know which is the best. Not to mention the pricing competitiveness of 4runner with a looming Great Recession.
I'm 58 and my wife and I are VERY worried about our future, gas and food prices rising daily. We have had our savings dwindle with the cost of living into the stratosphere, we are finding it impossible to replace it. We can get by, but cant seem to get ahead. My condolences to anyone retiring in this crisis, 40years nonstop just for a crooked system to take all you worked for
Hey - I've been hearing about Richard for a long time now. Started during the pandemic and I've heard of how accurate his signals is.. I really do appreciate hearing your advice and feel that it is genuine
TFL: "Let's compare a Bronco with lockers, advanced 4WD system, and all-terrain tires against a base SR5 with basic 4WD, street tires, no lockers, and an appearance package."
To adjust an old saying, "If you want to get deep into the wilderness, take a Bronco. If you want to get deep into the Wilderness and get home, take a 4Runner." My neighbor had a new Bronco up until it blew the "advanced" new turbo engine at 2700 miles.
This would be little more even comparison if the 4runner was an off road model. Then you get a rear locker, crawl control, terrain select and better tires. But still a great watch. I love them both.
Not really Apples to Apples. Any other 4runner 4wd/AWD would have done even better! The Limited AWD has a center lock in H4L with Atrac…and is hard to stop. The only drawback with the Limited is the approach angle. A different 4wd system in the 40th anniversary would have been nice!
While I enjoyed this video very much, a base Bronco (not Sasquatch) against this basic 4Runner (with fancy stripes) running the same tires would be interesting. Then the new tech on the Bronco would be even better highlighted for comparison. Thanks for the video!
This 4Runner is hella stylish. It's got all (ok, most of) the benefits of owning a brand new car plus a nostalgic old japanese SUV vibe. I love how raised it is even in this non-TRD trim.
@@ChrisWEEZ idk, I was actually talking about this latests model. This is not a TRD, and look how tall it is! Yes, tall to the body doesn't mean tall to the differential, but, come on, this thing looks sick! (or is it thick?😅😂)
Man, I love that 4Runner, I don't care how old the platform is. Also, Case is always styling and profiling in his shades and colorful pants. Adds some pizazz to the channel. Cool guy.
Wife's Ford Edge ST was at the dealer for over 7 months out of 9 for transmission failures. We had both a big boy Bronco(2.7L & Sas PKG) and the Sport as loaner cars since the dealer had tons sitting there not selling. In the end Ford pushed us away as customers so we ended up with a 2024 Toyota 4Runner Off-Road Premium in Underground. It's weird having the 4Runner surrounded by a Gen 3 Raptor and old OBS F-150. The 4Runner is old and slow, but we have more confidence that it'll still be on the road with minimal issues when compared to Ford's newer offerings.
Case is turning out to be a pretty good part of the team. I had my doubts at first but he brings his own swag and personality and fits in now nicely or by himself. Also plants had a lot to do with oil formation.
The 4Runner here and most Toyotas (most vehicles really) has two notches on the fuel door to hold the fuel cap while you are fueling so you don't scratch the vehicle. Probably not a big deal but good to know about.
i like the simplicity of A-Trac, instead figuring out which one of the 17 modes is gonna be most effective, i wish manufactures would use at least better intuitive mode explanations, or just simply few or 3 brake based awd aggressiveness settings plus slow throttle response control
I wish they’d let you tune your own maps. How quickly it engages, how much wheel speed differential it allows, how hard it applies brakes, with adjustable speed ranges so a single map can behave differential at 5 mph than it does at 25. Use a 1-10 scale for each of the parameters. State in the manual what the settings are for each of the standard presets as well as show them in the settings screen, and allow you to save a couple custom maps plus tweak any of the settings at any time.
Fun and beautiful vid. But if you want to differentiate these two you’re going to need a harder trail. Any veh with basic true four wheel drive could make it up that, as evidenced by both doing so without having to so much as touch any traction aids. Need a trail requiring articulation, with some bogholes, some boulders (dont have to be huge but something to get it twisted and requiring work to get over) and maybe some truly tight trails with some twisties. Still enjoyed it mucho. 🙂
I watch all your videos and love em guys.. but I will say that on this one, I was a little sad to not see some more obstacles/off-road trails in the video. Hoping you can put out another comparison between the two.
I purchased a bronco wild track and let me tell you those things are amazing we have a jeep and I’ve had several other automobiles over the years the bronco is so capable straight from the factory it will blow your mind
@@camooo101 there is absolutely positively no chance that a raptor can keep up with a rubicon on a 2” mopar kitted rubicon on 37s IN ROCKS. High speed stuff, sure but no wrangler has ever been built for high speed. There are no trails where a raptor is better than a rubicon, only high speed. Similar sure but if you think a Sasquatch can even squeeze through the same trails a rubicon can, all I can say is LOL and forget about the raptor. I own a whole bunch of ford products but the bronco is better at driving to the mall and that is absolutely it
@@mattbrew11 Missed the part where I said stock vs stock 🤣. Sure anyone can modify any vehicle to out compete any vehicle. And yes bronco Raptor stock vs Rubicon stock bye bye Rubicon. No chance. Only thing is the fat raptor may not fit in some trails but capability it's better... and Jeeps are better at breaking down and driving like the crap that is. Horrible small interior, horrible ride quality, doesn't even have side curtain airbags, worst seating position I have ever experienced and jeeps make ford's look reliable 🤣. Literally worst Suv in production currently. I don't even like both bronco or wrangler but would take a bronco any day over a wrangler because at least you can comfortably live with a bronco and it has side curtain air bags.
Trail team assist has been around forever. Approach at high speed, aggressively turn steering wheel and proceed to powerslide to appropriate position!😅
Great video love my 4runner and any other 4Runner lol plus always enjoy the Bronco content you guys put out as a toyota guy absolutely love that Bronco
I have the SR5 Premium grade like the 40th you tested has. The best improvement is a decent set of tires. The nice thing about the SR5 Premium is that it can be purchased with a third row for occasional use. The better off road tech levels can’t be had with a third row.
I have a 2000 4Runner that we bought new. It has the 3.4 V6 with 240K miles. We drove it from KY to CO last summer and we did Engineer pass and Imogene pass and it crawled over everything in it's path with ease on an extremely wet trail. We wanted to do more trails, but the rain just wouldn't let up. I wonder if we will see a 2022 Bronco doing those trails in 2044?
@@1ShopSnipe The 3.4L V6 has a timing belt, not a chain. I replaced the belt and tension pullys at 100K and again at 200K. It is also recommended that you replace the water pump every time you replace the belt. I believe the 2.7L 4 cylinder Toyota engine has a timing chain. The chain shouldn't need replacing except on extremly high mileage engines where it could stretch over time and become loose.
@@andyreynoso9951 Mine is a 3rd generation. The 2003-2009 is the 4th generation. 4th gens are the least desireable body style, but they offered the 4.7L V8 in 2006...that model is highly sought after. Check for frame rust....true for all years. Also look for rust where the rear lower control arms attach to the frame. I would recommend an online search of 4Runner chat rooms and buyer's guides. That will be your best source of info. They hold their value, so beware of one that seems like too good of a deal.
When I left Tomball Texas 12/08/22 for work in the Pacific Northwest, there were over nine brand new Ford Bronco's sitting on the Kia dealers used lot. Engine failure on a $70,000 vehicle, is totally unacceptable, I wouldn't drive a Ford if you gave it to me...
I was on a waitlist for a Bronco but gave up and got a TRD Pro. Best choice for me as the 4Runner is a better fit for my needs. Bronco is cool though and ultimately can do more tech off road than the 4Runner can, but I am never going to be pushing the limits like that. Coming up on two years with my 4Runner and it has been a real workhorse with zero issues.
Why not compare the bronco against a TRD Pro or TRD Off Road that has more comparable equipment and a similar price point? Strange choice to use essentially an SR5 with an appearance package.
With the price difference, if someone put 15K of mods into a 4Runner it would out preform the Bronco always. With that said, I do like both. But I own a 4Runner.
If you got a bronco with less options at the same price as the 4 runner and put on 15k worth of mods, it would also do better than this bronco. It's almost as if factory options cost more than aftermarket mods... but mods also void your warranty and rarely add resale value
That 4Runner will be around for another 10 plus years the Bronco will be on 2nd or 3rd engine or transmission replacement if it’s still on the road 10years from now
I have owned hundreds of 2.7 ecoboost F150s for my business since they came out (large fleet we turn over every 3) and we’ve had next to zero issues with them. Thats over payload (sometimes way over) and/or towing nearly every mile @ 50k a year. Thats a very reliable powerplant and the transmission is leap years ahead of the one in this toyota
@@terrynichol577 I daily drive a jeep gladiator diesel its on 39s and easily my favorite vehicle i ever purchased, I’m not some ford troll buddy. The 2.7 is great though. The only brand im sour on is chevy but id love to get one of those new first edition canyons. Best looking truck of any size on the market IMO
Hard to tell. The next gen could follow the Tundra with a turbo motor but keep body on frame architecture. I personally think it'll be okay for easy offroad terrain like the current gen. I bet it's depreciation will continue the same trend. Worth mentioning the Jeep is also a depreciation king and likely the Bronco will be as well due to the segment.
@@tyh6243 depreciation??? Go price a used 04-06 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon aka an LJ and tell me if that price is depreciated lol. The 06 Rubicons with some mileage on them but still in decent shape are going upwards to almost $30k.
The MPG is more less what I expected from the 4Runner. Smidgen better than I would have had in my TRD. For the variety of terrain ups and downs. But straight highway I can get 20-22MPG in the 4R TRD OR. It is not class leading but it is a nice compromise. Seriously, that trip was as brutal as going .. to the country store. lol If that is all you got for a mash up, I would take the 4R. I was all prepared to say Bronco, but meh. In a real head to head hard core capable match up between that Bronco and a 4R TRD OR, I would take that Bronco. IF all I was doing was rock crawling. But getting to the trails and beyond, yah, I will stick with the 4R TRD OR. 99% as capable with out the added expense.
@@Tallnerdyguy And? The Boeing 747-8 has been around since 2005. Not changed since. But it still fly's thousands of people world wide every year. Some things don't need to change to do what they were designed to do for many decades. This SUV will out last me. That is why I bought it. And it will take me off the pavement exploring just as many places as that Bronco will go. The question is, will the Bronco still be around in 20+ years doing daily drives and weekend warrior adventures? Will Ford continue making the Bronco for more than 12 years? Lord knows they have cut it out of their production lines before. lol
@@WW-wf8tu The 747 has been discontinued because it doesn't make any economic sense to still produce it when more efficient A350s and feature rich Dreamliners are out there. There are cars from the 60's that's not a Toyota that are still running today, so I'd say if you are willing to maintain a Bronco well, it'd last 20+ years, but it just doesn't make sense to do that. Does it make sense to keep a 4runner that long? Absolutely not. With the price you spend for gas alone, You can get another car. Better, more efficient, safer cars are being launched every year, and you're better off with a new car every 10-12 or so years/250-300,000kms unless you are broke.
The comment about gasoline (oil) not being from Dinosaurs is spot on. Explains what many have known, but no one has acknowledged for decades - oil and coal is still being produced by the earth and there is a carbon cycle (albeit slower than the water cycle) making the push to electrify the fleet when battery technology is in its infancy a fools errand.
Really cool comparison! I’m a die hard Toyota fan, but vehicles from other manufacturers are getting better every year. Noteworthy: if you were doing a dollar for dollar comparison on these, that $16,000 could put a lift, better tires, front/rear bumpers and a rear locker on that 4Runner and for the same price as the Bronco, you’d have a bombproof reliable, VERY capable rig.
TBH, I'd take the 4Runner any day, every day, over the new Bronco. It has its drawbacks to be sure - I'd certainly change the tires - but beyond that, I choose rock-solid "ancient" mechanicals that are well-sorted over new fancy software-driven tech and a high compression forced induction motor.
Just depends how difficult your favorite trails are. Easy trails the 4Runner is fine. Once you start modding to get it like the Bronco it gets super expensive and becomes a complete dog with that engine.
@@mechmat12345 Yeah, the stock setup is good for me. I'm not into throwing 600lbs of crap onto my vehicles. I would change the tires and if it didn't have undercarriage protection, I'd add that - and that's about it.
Love your videos but I do believe that you should should upgrade the rear locker app rear lockers and put on appropriate tires to make the vehicles even when you carry them out so that there is a good choice of what goes on.
I heard what you said about how gasoline petroleum is formed this is what the geologist would have you to believe but in actuality they have found petroleum several miles deep and they no longer believe this is the process they believe the process is caused from the intense heat in the core of the earth That generates carbon based petroleum in the immense pressure pushes upward toward the surface of the earth the reason this is not talked about anymore is because this means there would never actually be a shortage of petroleum it is self generating although some forms of coal and oil and natural gas are formed from decaying matter obviously anything that is organic can revert back to its basic form I can’t prove this look it up
Along with this comparison you often don’t compare apples to apples. Either it should be a same priced vehicle and “Here’s what you get for the money” OR similarly equipped, lockers, tires etc., and take to places that can test the limits of the vehicle and then be, “Here’s what they can do, do you want to pay more/less for one or the other.”
Should've used 4runnner Trd Pro or Trd Off Road instead of the base SR5 Anniversary Edition. The 4runner used in this video is the "lesser off road 4runner" and still did great; this version is without crawl control and rear locker - but still kept up with the Bronco. What is the Bronco trim model in this video?
You guys make these videos every other week. Not just you other people as well. Stacking up the runner against all these brand new vehicles. Nothing has changed, we get it. But the runner is still the best vehicle all around. Jack of all trades truck. Well the Rubicon be a better rock crawler,? Sure. But most people daily drive these things, and the runner is great on and off-road, put a few thousand dollars into upgrades and this thing keeps up with anything and will last 10 times longer than anything else on the market. The runner is legendary, the bronco and all that stuff are not. Do they have some flashy gadgets, sure. That seems like what the majority want I guess besides reliability and durability and a better looking truck.... Would you buy a house That was just going to stand for a few years?
Glad you finally got out the back yard even if only for one run at the end of the season. But what happened to all your runs at Imogen, Black Bear Pass and even harder trails? Have you lost your love of real off roading; has Tommy moved on to other interests; or are manufacturers constraining you to more simple events?
First video that I've watched on the SR5 trim that went trailing as a stock model. I purchased a 2020 4Runner SR5 Premium 2 1/2 years ago. I chose the 4Runner for it's trouble-free ownership and longevity (I like to own vehicles for as many years as possible). But I had no idea that the 4Runner was this amazing real-life Stomper (4x4 toy when I was a kid 😂 ). I went online after buying it and joined the FB group and I hear everyone asking, "what tires / suspension / luggage rack / camping gear should I get???" haha I was shocked, shocked I tell you 🤣 So apparently I got the "mall crawler" package LOL because I use it to get my groceries and run to visit my family and friends. With only 9,500 miles on it, I'm hoping for it to last another 20 years 😁 Hope I made the right choice!
This is an interesting comparison. I look forward to seeing what the results of this episode. From the onset, it appears the Toyota may be the underdog a little bit in this comparison, equipped with the truck/street tires (Dude! You ain't got no business on the trails with them tires, yo!?) . But, then the 4Runner is still rocking a comparative package that it has enjoyed since it hit the market in 2010. There are previous owners that may have had 4 or more 4runners in that span of time. It's interesting that you should point out about the Ford re-engineering and "fixing everything wrong" with The International Harvester's Scout.
See who is still running in 5, no 10 years and a couple hundred thousand miles later. There are certain models of 4Runner that do have lockers and a real manual transfer case. Reliability is priceless.
Bought my 2016 Toyota 4Runner Trail new on Memorial Day Weekend 2017. I'll be taking it in for the 155,000 Mile Servicing on Monday. Over 5 years later, still can't see myself going with the other "options" when it comes to the mid-size SUV segment (other than the Lexus GX 😤😤).
@@Monkeyseemonkey79 Basically, you need to start running into obstacles where they start failing to get over them. Maybe a lot of people just plan on doing the type of offroading they did on this trip though, which means you also don't want the bronco with the huge tires. I'm kind of thinking about getting a Grande Cherokee with the understanding that its no rock crawler. It can tow a boat, go on dirt trails, and be a comfortable daily driver. My only problem is that I still really enjoy driving my 2015 GTI as a daily and think the Jeep will bum me out as a daily.
@@Monkeyseemonkey79 But it's unfair to compare it with the most off-road worthy of the Bronco line-up. I own a 2014 4Runner Trail edition with Goodrich K02s and a very good leveling lift; I have been to Moab, did many trails there, and my truck was simply unstoppable. Also, it's a pity that Nathan no longer appears in the videos. His health problems must not be on the wane.
@@guidominadisospiro3553 The base model Bronco with Sasquatch has almost all the tech off their First Edition for less money than the 4Runner. You'd need to intentionally pick a Bronco model with the least features to have similar capability to a 4Runner.
@@guidominadisospiro3553 my point is that neither vehicle was pushed anywhere near it's limits - so it wasn't really unfair. I think the conclusion of the video was kinda "they both did great out there." Essentially, either vehicle will make most buyers happy - as most buyers won't do anything more taxing than what we saw in the video.
Considering computers let me down daily I have finally turned into a semi-Luddite. Give me levers, mechanical connection with levers, and something I don't have to reboot. I have newer vehicles today but I keep looking at older vehicles and adding creature comforts.
There are two paths to choose. 1. You buy the bronco, as you drive off the lot you feel the depreciation hit, a few miles down the road your engine explodes. Good thing it's under warranty and you only have to wait 11 months for a new crate engine from ford. 2. You buy the 4runner and you leave it to your favorite child in your will because the 4runner will outlast you.
I love how Case says you don’t have to spend the extra money for a Bronco 1st Edition.Yet it really isn’t worth it to buy an old 4Runner with some stickers and street tires.
@@anthonymolina7416 you want fast get a mustang or a charger... I love my 4runner...it's a rock solid SUV that will outlive just about any other SUV in it's class...
If you don't care about long-term reliability, sure, you may not want an "outdated" drivetrain. But a 4Runner will have far less cost in maintenance and far outlive a new Bronco. Ford quality control is absolute crap these days.
With the extra cash you can: - get a TRF offroad/pro if you want, or - get some locking hubs, a lift, bigger tires, some skids, and a winch. And then kick the butt of most anything out there, for way more reliable kilometres
Sorry, I know the Toyota has a great reputation for reliability and durability. However, I am not able to overlook the archaic, underpowered engine with the 5 speed transmission. Even the interior, tech, and fuel economy are way behind best of class. I realize for this particular test the Bronco's fuel economy was worse but if you look at EPA estimates at a more comparable engine, tires, and trim - even the Bronco would have faired better. I looked at the 4runner last year but ended up with a '21 Grand Cherokee Trailhawk (the last year of the WK2 platform)- yes, that platform is older as well but has been updated over the years. Offered better tech, better mileage, more luxurious ride, better ground clearance, more power, better towing, std. A/T tires, and many other std. features - sunroof, power folding mirrors, front power seats, 4 heated seats, heated steering wheel, a modern 8 speed transmission, ELSD, etc. - many of which didn't come on the 4Runner. Reliability? - we'll see but I have a lot of confidence in the proven Pentastar engine with its bulletproof ZF 8 speed transmission.
I think the Grand Cherokee is a better all around SUV. Maybe doesn't have the full potential that a 4runner has offroad, but seems good enough. Its so great that jeep is ditching Chrysler transmissions in favor of ZF. Completely gives you confidence in buying a jeep.
Fast forward 10 years…..4Runner still performing perfectly. Bronco recycled 2 times and on its 3rd life. And that 10 speed transmission burns out because it is constantly searching and shifting for best mpg. Obviously I’m a bias 4Runner guy! Lol
I would have to say that the 4Runner is like a Veteran/Rookie! If Toyota had come out with a second gen competitor with more modern ammenedies, it would quite possibly be a major contender!
@@chrisgreen5000 Well that's pretty expensive too, I read an article that said that California currently has the most expensive gas in the nation, our gasoline prices are a bit higher than diesel tho, being right around 7.6 $ a gallon
