Tracer's wheel base is longer, the frame is designed to carry much heavier loads, wind protection on the legs till helmet, engine tuning, more aero dynamic, ergonomic riding position and much more. It's a proper touring bike. The MT 09 can get closer to a tourer and can be a proper city and occational tourer bike. Great Video!
@@d0n_key correct, same as with the MT09. That's just to accommodate the different shape of the tail section, though. Load carrying capacity is actually lowest on the tracer (193kg vs 225 on the MT/XSR).
I went through this exact scenario earlier this year. MT-09 or T9GT, ultimately I decided to splurge and got the T9GT. And it came down to the kind of riding I wanted to be able to do. Heading into my 30s I want to do some more long distance touring so considering the electronic suspension with remote preload, cruise control, adjustable windscreen, longer wheelbase to accommodate more weight, larger fuel tank, center stand, nicely integrated saddlebags, cornering lights, hand guards, heated grips and the extra TFT screen. That price difference starts to look a lot more reasonable. In my opinion totally worth the price when compared to other bikes in the sport touring segment. Thing is a beast.
Yes. It is worth the difference. It's NOT an identical bike with just throw ons. You left off cruise control (you need an MT09 SP or Tracer to get it), tank size is larger (range), wind protection (more than just a bigger windscreen), swing arm length (longer by design), you get an upgraded larger instrument cluster and front end lighting. Center stand. Of course the suspension and matching bags.. etc. If a buyer simply researches the two the math adds up.
I got an MT-09 14 months ago and just traded it in for a Tracer 9 GT. The comfort and electronics going from a gen 2 MT to the gen 3 tracer made it well worth it
OC: It was the MT09 SP for me. Commuting and rides through the mountains. The SP perfectly suited what I wanted outta the bike. Really the only thing I want to change is a Akrapovic or SC Project exhaust.
I was considering the Tracer 9 GT, the dealer even had two in stock but I wound up with an MT09 SP. My rational was that I would only need the bags and whatnot a time or two a year for touring but the rest of the time I would rather have the more nimble MT09. I spent more money than I expected to adding things like factory heated grips I had to order from Germany & a Corbin seat but the bike is perfect for me. The hardest part about getting it ready for touring is finding accessories for it. I ended up buying some throw over the seat bags and welding a rack I affixed to the back and took it on a 5 day camping trip along the Blue Ridge Parkway. What a great trip that was. The bike has served me well & has done everything I've asked of it. For me the MT was a better choice.
Ive been considering the T9GT and thought about modding a MT09/SP. A longer swing arm, cruise control, handguards and center stand were not included in your comparison so the numbers add up to about the same maybe even more if you include labor to install . Looking forward to see your future videos on it 👍
@@jamesjones3056 you get that same swingarm/wheel base with xsr900 but will still lack various things even though I think the SP version does have Ohlins suspension that maybe is better than tracer kyb semi active? But still no 5.2 gallon tank how did he miss THAT is a better question! ALSO the Tracer has a beefed up sup frame for luggage and pillion IF that is even important to you ,,,but then the Tracer is also a porker compared to MT ....like SEVENTY pounds heavier! Some of that is fuel however which you dont have to fill up all the way....just saying
@@jamesjones3056 I doubt it is "drastic" but btw Yamaha does put that same swingarm on the xsr900...dont know what the msrp is for that model ...but I recall the SP version is like $3K more than the MT! Has goodies the best of which is sweet Ohlins suspension!
Was looking at the tracer9 gt but decided to go with the new MT10 sp, add a windscreen and bags and I’ve got a pretty good setup. Only issue is the range if I want to have some fun.
I went through the same decision. I ended up with the SP because it fit the kind of riding I did more often, weekend blasts and errands around town. Can always add bags. The SP is also significantly lighter. I don;t really sport tour. Finding either of these bikes in dealers is a big issue too these days.
Zero 2022 mt09/09sp/mt10/tracer 9 anywhere in ohio Guess I’ll get something else, riding season is almost over and I am tired of waiting any longer. Apparently 2022 Yamaha models will actually be the 2023 models?? 🤨
Here in Malaysia we don't have MT-09SP. So in order to have electronic cruise control, we had to jump onto a Tracer 9 GT. Huge feature, so it's totally worth it here.
Yamaha offers heated grips for the mt and they integrate with the TFT dash so controls are at your fingertips ...no bulky crap hanging off your handlebars.
In europe we have two Tracer 9 versions: the standard and the GT. The standard misses the electronic suspension, side bags and quickshifter, but is a budget offer for the same bike, costing 2800 euros less than the GT.
A stacked MT-09 will NEVER be the touring capable rig that the Tracer is. Just like a built Tracer will never be the canyon/track capable carver that the MT-09 is. Yup, same motor with similar chassis, but the rest of the build is worlds apart. I'd have no problem justifying both of these bikes in my garage as they truly fit two completely different purposes. Good luck replicating the wind protection of the T9 on the MT, not only would it cost a fortune but you'd be riding something that looked like it was out of Mad Max when you were done.
I have both bikes. A 2021 T9GT and 2022 MT09. When people ask why I explain that the T9 is my beautiful and faithful wife that does everything I need her to do, everyday while the MT is my naughty mistress that I only see on weekends and holidays. The price difference is not justified. I wish we could go back to buying cars with crank windows and manual locks. And I wish bikes could be purchased without all the electronics just like the old days. The heated grips are very nice though.
You are missing: center stand, hand guard wind protection, cruise controll, longer swing arm, wind protection for legs, bigger fuel tank and larger pillion seat.
Jake did something kinda similar he went off road your going sport touring can't wait to watch this series un fold love seeing your success you have come so far and I love it you give me hope that I can make a career doing what I love
I have a Tracer 9 GT, when you give it the beans and hit the upper revs it feels like it's trying to jump out from under me. And that's in ride mode 3, just above what you might call "rain mode." I'm a slightly older fellow so I don't venture into ride mode 1 or 2 territory. 😋 It might not be superbike fast but it's plenty fast for me.
The worst thing about the Tracer is it carries SEVENTY extra pounds which is a lot! An appealing option would be the XSR if only they made an SP version of it like they do the MT09! I have a 22 Tracer9gt and I mostly love it but I wish it were lighter. I dont even need the beefed up heavy steel subframe because I dont carry a passanger ...IF I could custom build my own bike it would be the Tracer with XSR subframe and MT09SP rear Ohlins suspension. a full titanium exhaust and a tune....maybe carbon wheels and Brembo Stylema while I am dreaming...but then the Tracer Luggage would not fit so would have to come up with something different for that or else just have a large top box and a giant loop duffel for if /when ....although honestly I never even needed my side luggage since I bought the bike 10 months ago I am guessing my custom Tracer would be like 50 pounds or more lighter (less that 435 in other words) PLUS have at least 10hp more! But then there is even a better starting point which would be the yet to arrive 2023 Tracer 9GT PLUS! Which has a large one piece dash screen! AND Radar CRUISE! AND larger rear brake Computer linked to front brake ostensibly making it able to to emergency full on either front or rear brake and have the computer apply BOTH in the safest most efficent manner possible! meaning it would keep the suspension as balanced as possible rather than collapsing the front and/or underusing one end of the braking or the other! Just knowing in a full panic stop you cant screw up grabbing full brake on either pedal or lever is HUGE confidence inspiration no matter how great a rider you are! PLUS the radar part can apply the brakes and cut the throttle FOR YOU (at least if you are in cruise control is my understanding) So you can set the cruise at say 80mph and then tailgate your mate with your bike automatically keeping set distance while you do NOTHING but lean and steer! THAT is so cool! I might have to trade in my '22 on the '23....except I hear they aint bringing it to the US market....in fact i hear Yamaha is not bringing the tracer 9 gt to the US PERIOD for 2023 based on poor sales.....BUT maybe we will see a cafe version of XSR900SP for 2024? If not a full on R9??
I bought the 2021 Tracer 9GT because it represented a better value when compared to similar bikes from Triumph, BMW and Ducati. For me, the stock seat becomes uncomfortable at about the one hour mark. In my search I was unable to find a comfort seat from Yamaha for sale in the US so I opted to send my stock seat to Russell Cycle Works in California (This was before Corbin came out with their version). Seat sorted and windscreen improved, this bike's a keeper.
You forgot a few things.. handguards, the fairing, better lighting, and most of all... The cost of installation. So, maybe a few people out there can handle all the changes (and void the warranty in the process), but many people ar going to need someone else to handle the additions, and the cost would then be more than the Tracer.
Notification squad. Also curious chase, havw you considered a series about new and used bikes under a certain price point? Like what do you get for your money type of thing? I'm shopping for a bike around 10k and I've noticed that a lot of things are at this price point
Yea I'd rather just go right to the Tracer. I'm older so I can afford it and I really don't have much time to spend on adding mods. Plus it's all designed together to create a complete package, you don't get that with mods.
Cornering lights don't really work. Dual displays have received more negative feedback than positive. Wind guards are too small and don't provide the proper adjustability. The seat slope is bad and there is an aftermarket mod for it. The bigger fuel tank is nice.
Oc: I I know a certain Smort VP who would gladly let you upgrade his Duke 390. Like seriously this is a common bike for entry level riders so it might make for good content #SmortShifted
The only things I missed were the handguards and the bigger fuel tank. I was considering buying the GT, but have since then moved my gaze to the zh2. Do you think you'll ever make a video on that bike? Oh and of course OC
As soon as you add semi active suspension that alone will be lie $4k Then you have luggage like $1k Oh and you really need to start with xsr900sp to get the longer swing arm and goodies I think that is another $3k but idk ? Anyway You are already well over the tracer price difference but there is STILL a big ol elephant in the room .....the FUEL TANK on the tracer is significantly higher capacity at 5.2 gallons how you gonna add THAT to your MT? The only way you can get around paying $15k is to find a used one and good luck with that! I finally gave up and the best I could do was full msrp with nothing added on basically but sales tax and registration so $16,200 OTD For 2k more I could of bought a barely used 2021 BMW S1000XR which I damn near did! 165hp! and phenomenal brakes! I feel I have a more reliable bike with the Yamaha and even at only 117hp it still hauls butt!
So, it may be cheaper to get an MT-09 Sp AND upgrade it to GT style for cheaper? (minus the electronic suspension... Se my coment on why you should get teh MT-10SP in that first ride video from Chase). Get the SP :) I'm thinking even MT-10 SP for touring? perhaps MT-09 (I'm looking at those two bikes right now, and MT-09 is winning me over other than the CP4 engine sound)
hey nice video overall, you missed the headlight unit, dual screen console and hand n lever guards. btw i like looks of naked bikes like mt09 love from india.
Is is the tracer frame the same height as the MT09? I realize that seat height is the same when adjusted correctly, I'm asking whether the bike itself is taller?
They both have upright sitting position and open knees angle. Basically, If a rider doesn't hate wind, the 09 can be the one to take... My gf just doesn't like that high rear sit, it doesn't suit our riding style and all the wind hits her behind because she's not very short.
No way would I attempt to upgrade the mt09 to make it like a tracer. I don't think you even mentioned the fairings, windscreen, adaptive radar. Lol, that Corbin is expensive, you will not find a better seat on the market. I'm flipping back and forth between the 2024 tracer and the mt10. Whichever I decide on, I will get the Corbin gunfighter.
I already have a 3rd gen base model MT-09 and I’d just throw the comfort seat on it if I needed it. I have an Airhawk seat pad even though I don’t use it. I’d get a good throttle lock for cruise control. Rather have heated gloves. My Puig screen works fine for me. I got a roll top tail bag from Nelson Rigg. I’d get a throw over set of saddle bags if I needed them. I’d love a custom rear shock if I find one because I’m a heavy guy. I’d say a set of road 6 tires would be good because the s22 tires leave you wanting more in the rain and when it’s really cold. So no I wouldn’t spend that high of a premium. But I’d say the biggest difference that’s really going to plague the MT-09 is the gas tank size. I maybe get 100 miles before the light comes on
ok, now how about the reverse... get the tracer back to looking like a nekkid. i hate the look of windscreens and the fearings... yes i know they server a purpose, but people still buy nekkids for a reason
$15k gives you pause... $20 gives me pause. I have 15 different wish lists on Amazon where I debate the worth of hundreds of different products... Some of which never get purchased and some wait 5 to 10 years for a prime day sale. 😂
Who writes these scripts?... purposefully omitted the suspension... umm that's the most important part... and what about the dual TFT display?... ummmmmmmmmm
They said why they did in the video. Becuse no one makes an electronically controlled suspension for the MT09, so they are just speculating what the price would be. As for the dash, that really doesn't effect the bike's performance and is more a personal choice.
