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Is the West fragmenting? - BBC Newsnight 

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@zeferous130
@zeferous130 8 лет назад
It isn't just a far right issue, the left is also fragmenting - we can see this with Sanders and Corbyn gaining almost cult like popularity. It's also not the "authoritarian left" - its the "authoritarian centre". When new labour and the tories converged to fight over the so called centre ground, they became almost indistinguishable. It is this frustration and lack of choice that has turned so many on both sides of the spectrum away from the establishment and into the arms or candidates towards the fringes.
@ATMOSK1234
@ATMOSK1234 8 лет назад
+Daniel Harris The situation is probably different in England than it is here. The democratic party hasn't been left of center since the 80's. After a series of humiliating defeats the Clinton's were finally able to reestablish the democratic party by abandoning the progressive platform the party was built upon and embraced a slightly more moderate conservative message. They only really continued support of specific social issues, that appealed to a wide base of support. Although they won the battle they gave up the war. By abandoning the liberal faction of the party their was no dissenting voice to oppose the conservative worldview, which is in part why the republican party is so radical today. Sanders represents the rejection of the conservative ideology which currently dominates American politics. Young people especially believe him to be the best chance to start rebuilding our country. You have to understand that in America conservatives would rather have thousands of people die in the streets then raise taxes to pay for health care, that governors are willing to give children lead tainted drinking water if it means they can save a few bucks (and they don't even lose their posts). That after the government poisoned thousands of people with lead drinking water, conservatives actually block federal funding to help them because they have a weird social Darwinist/racist worldview that sees wealth as a sign of superiority. Donald trump isn't an outlier at all, he is just willing to openly voice the beliefs that alot of people keep quite about. In fact he is fairly liberal in relation to many people in his party.
@zeferous130
@zeferous130 8 лет назад
ATMOSK1234 You would be surprised how similar things are. Transpose Clinton with Blair and Sanders with Corbyn and you've broadly got the same story across the pond.
@ParticleJesus
@ParticleJesus 8 лет назад
The rise of nativist right-wing isn't a problem, it's the solution.
@ParticleJesus
@ParticleJesus 8 лет назад
***** No, importing millions of people with vastly different conflicting and incompatible beliefs and cultures is what creates division.
@3991-m6u
@3991-m6u 8 лет назад
+AugustusPugin i agree, also the massive push for individualism/destruction of traditional values by those wishing to create a consumerist mindset in the public.
@catleugh
@catleugh 8 лет назад
+AugustusPugin I agree as well. When I was younger, I used to think immigration was a wonderful thing, and it was then, when we were getting maybe 50,000 a year coming into the UK, most of them keen to integrate. It's different now, with net immigration at well over a quarter of a million a year, some of them from vastly inferior cultures.
@TelfLad
@TelfLad 8 лет назад
Because Obama's 'fractious' relationship with Putin is working out great isn't it. And when Bush was his chum our relationship with USA was so much worse then than now under Obama yeah?
@ChrisInToon
@ChrisInToon 8 лет назад
just look at how Ukraine Sweden and Greece are doing.
@Elykar
@Elykar 8 лет назад
The word they are stumbling around when they say right and left wing politics is NATIONALISTIC politics, which is a taboo word in Europe, but that taboo is precisely why people are examining it more closely to see what value lies in such politics. This could have been avoided with better immigration policy but leaders weren't having any of it.
@villaparis2
@villaparis2 7 лет назад
The problem is the population is rising everywhere and imigration and people are getting paranoid and Trump and Ukip are feeding into that and making it worse
@thatdutchguy2882
@thatdutchguy2882 8 лет назад
No not the West just the UK !
@stewarttele7132
@stewarttele7132 8 лет назад
Watching tons of videos on youtube, EU parliament and reading European newspapers shows there's so much anti-american sentiment in Europe, "America go home" that one would think that everyone would be happy for the US to get out of Europe. I've read that we have military in Europe because we are war mongering dictators. Americans are called fat, ignorant, and that our country is third world, not remembering the Marshall plan or that without spending 2% of their GDP for their own defense many European countries have the luxury of improving their social welfare programs. America has had no threat (other than terrorism) in the past hundred years. America was doing fine in isolationism until our politicians kept putting our noses into Europe's business (WWI and WWII) and dragging the US into those wars. Europe has a bigger population and are pretty well off, they can afford to take care of themselves. America needs to go home and fix our domestic problems.
@bertsimpsan
@bertsimpsan 8 лет назад
jews, jews everywhere
@GregoryCunningham
@GregoryCunningham 8 лет назад
Interesting to see that the BBC has just become an echo chamber for mind numbing discussions.
@Rozmic
@Rozmic 8 лет назад
Japan was doing fine on its own back in the days.
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