The stainless steel Rolex uses in their watch cases is NOT some rear alloy that isn't used by anyone else. This is just marketing hype from Rolex. It's ordinary SAE 904L stainless, which is completely common trade grade steel. Just because Rolex calls it Oystersteel or whatever doesn't make it any more rear. You can order 904L in the tons from any big steel supplier, and get it delivered in a few weeks. Sheet, beams, pipe, whatever you want. Also, there's really no rational reason to use 904L in a diver's watch, unless you intend to dive in acid, which I wouldn't recommend anyway. 316L, which most manufactures use, is more than good enough in seawater. Especially if you flush the watch in fresh water after each dive, which is a good practice regardless. I say this as en engineer, who has been working in the oil and gas industry and in chemical industry where 904L is used quite a lot in tanks, tubing, piping etc, because of it's good corrosion resistance (pitting specifically) in certain environments. So stop repeating this nonsens that Rolex uses some very special rare stainless alloy in their watches. They don't.
I have a genuine 2004 Submariner Date that I have had service twice now, both complete overhauls that cost over $1000.00 each time (ouch) I definitely need to start taking better care of it. Any how, whenever someone complements me on my watch or starts giving me grief about wasting my money or worst calls me pretentious I always tell them it is a fake that I got from a yard sale for $25.00 and without exception they always say that they see that it is a fake now that I told them. Point being, nobody knows but you and you are into fooling yourself then go for it.
Haha, I have a 2006 Explorer ll and I have had 3 services- $700, $1100 and $1200. The pain is real, but, I bought this as a tool, and use it as a tool. I wear it daily. I have only begun to get interested in Fakes because of the mugging and theft when traveling.
99% of people don't care about your watch unless there a watch person or a theft. You could go a life time wearing a Rolex/Patek Philippe/Audemars Piguet/Lange and Sohne/ and no one is going test if your watch is genuine. There's just as much probability as you winning the top Lottery prize.
100%. Most watch fanatics would be shocked to know how many of the nice watches they see non-celebrities wearing are fakes. Most of those people would be shocked to know how much the average watch nerd spends on watches too.
Although 20x more expensive, a genuine submariner is not 20X better than this super clone. That is all the convincing i need to buy a super clone. This is a great watch for $500.
Re-sale value is a non-issue for me, because i do not wear my investments on my wrists. European ingenuity or craftsmanship also plays no role because the world moves and changes quickly in our modern times. The aspect of horology and precision also does not interest me because i can check my iPhone for TIME. History of ROLEX also is of no interest because there are multiple successful companies with similar stories. What interests me is STYLE & SIMPLICITY which as it seems from this video a $500 watch can provide.
@@user-yo3uf9os2zThe Chinese are not the only ones my friend. European/American politicians talk about high ethical values on camera yet stay silent when oil rich countries commit crimes against humanity. This world is not perfect, do whatever makes you happy and stay out of other people's businesses lol
yeah good luck wasting your money. the movement is some cheap chinese movement which lasts about 2 years max. and is not repairsble because you cant find parts for it. it has plastic parts in it.. so its 500$ thrown away after an year /max 2
Submariners are so common nowadays from where I’m located. It comes to a point where u start to assume everyone is wearing a fake unless u know for sure that guy is a watch enthusiast who can afford the real thing.
I've seen nearly every single "defect" that you claim is a sure fire sign of a "fake" Rolex on watches in authorized dealer display cases! Light between lugs, stiff links, tiny imperfections in the polish, bezel slack, etc. the key is finding multiple imperfections in a watch, that's when you know is it's a fake.
Really great video, bro! I've had my VSF Starbucks for around a month. This type of video is really helpful for people looking to pull the trigger on superclones and admittedly I was looking for videos like this but most of them were in Chinese commentary with loud BGM. My VSF has two things I don't like about it which is 1) The bezel is quite loose and has some backplay (your bezel looks much stiffer which I envy) 2) Pulling the crown out to the 1st and 2nd position lacks the noticeable *click*. It's very ambiguous when trying to get into each position so maybe my stem is a little too short (but it does hack thankfully). Also it seems that it's notorious with VSF cases where screwing in the crown still leaves a small gap but it looks like your shower test proved it to still be water tight. 5:44 Looks like the crown could be screwed in a bit more
@@Yo.merito DHGate. It can be quite a gamble but if you look for vendors with a long-standing account and lots of transactions, you should be okay. I basically took a gamble twice with 2 different sellers and both of the vendors sent me photos of the watch before shipping them and both made it to me successfully.
I don't know about the bezel myth of no play back. I've own the 114060 and 126610 and they both have just the slightest play back on the bezel. by the way both were bought an my AD so zero chance of being fake. I actually did buy this rep though when I was Thailand for a vacation last year and it was scary close to the real thing but it ran 20 seconds a day. I gave it away on my last day there to nice gentleman who helped us during the vacation.
I’ve had 2 Ginault ocean rovers they are very good looks wise But to be honest I wasn’t impressed with the sillita movement, is okay. I’ve also got 2 genuine Submariners, so I guess I’m partial, But these super reps are tempting for the price point vs Ginault
Thanks man this was really helpful and informative please keep up the great work looking for more real and high quality replicas reviews and comparisons
I have one, bought to learn what to avoid when buying a real one. It’s pretty darned good looks wise. Loses about 30 seconds a day though. A dealer would spot it right away on handling. To compare it to the one in the review links are not stiff and the closure of the bracelet is crisp with no force needed. Tiny bit of back play on bezel. Slight unevenness in pressure when turning bezel, mainly when getting to the reset point. Mine also has a minute gap one one side of the link that joins the watch body on both ends of the strap.
It's almost as good as a Rolex, that's obvious. but do i want it on my wrist knowing it's a fake? Nope. More happy with a Casio of 100 bucks and being authentic. Great video buddy!
Well presented and interesting. I think the cost of these replicas is far too high considering their resale value will be under $100. It's a novelty and nothing more. Better off saving your pennies and buying a second hand submariner from a authorised Rolex dealer. It'll maintain or increase in value and won't leave you out of pocket should you decide to sell sometime in the future.
I'd heard a factory named Clean Factory was regarded as the ones that uses the most accurate replicated parts? this seemed really damn super tho , but maybe its those that are being regarded as needing visual aid to spot the difference?
The one you actually want is previous model, no date, the 114060 from VSF. Watch for known serial numbers if you care that much, although if you know known fake serial numbers off the top of your head you're a replica watch enthusiast yourself because there is no guarantee any serial isn't a real Rolex one, they're totally randomised.
Clean factory seems to make a higher quality clone, you can add factory Rolex parts to create a Frankenstein Clone which is OEM Rolex parts put on the clone, for like $2k you can have a clone that can pass as a real Rolex. The dealer has to open it up to see if genuine or clone.
@TheNEOONE1 if you navigate to the repgeek or RWI forums youll see that the community are overwhelmingly in favour of Clean version of Rolex. Clean factory also have exclusivity of the new SH4131 movement.
@teddyjohnson284 have you ever visited the watch forums? Overwhelmingly the majority have agreed that CLEAN factory produce the most near accurate exterior Rolex subs..VSFs are simply superior for the movement quality. Hey but whats stopping someone to purchase a CLEAN with a VSF movement upgrade installed within the CLEAN case? Then is your CLEAN still dogsht? I think not.
I have to say you are wrong about the quality of some clones needing a microscope. You just havent seen one yet. Im not sure if you sre familiar with another watch guy on RU-vid? Michael the producer? Check out his video called scammed with a fake rolex. The thumbnail says real vs fake. Its from around 3 months ago and he talks of one of the most reputable dealers in LA/Hollywood and himself not being able to tell the difference between them. He goes over both with a microscope and is blown away. Take a look and let me know what you think.
"best" is a bold claim... From my understanding, all the factories at the upper end of the replica market typically have their strengths and weaknesses. VSF, Noob, Clean etc. One might have the best case, one might have the best dials... I'm no expert but I don't believe there is such thing as a best dupe :)
Back play on the bezzle also is the same on a Rolex too. There is a side by side comparison on Michael the watch guy. They had a magnifying glass and screen and still couldnt tell . It even fooled a rolex dealer, But it was a super clone not a 600 dollar one
This movement will eventually fail. You are better off getting something with a Swiss ETA 2824-2 movement or buy a homage such as San Martin or Steeldive with Seiko/TMI NH35 movement. The Steeldive SD1953 is an awesome homage for about $50 USD. Incredible value with incredible lume.
All of these things can be fixed. I’m personally working on a Franken. Keeping VSF crystal and movement. Going to swap to Clean case and use the ARF bracelet. Once it’s built polished and oiled up properly it will be almost undetectable without completely taking it apart. So I agree with what you said about people’s comments. It takes a little bit more work than just buying a VSF. You’ll have to swip swap parts if you truly want it to be undetected by the naked eye. Pretty annoying buying 3 submariners for their parts but it’s still cheaper than gen.
If you buy a real one, you don´t ´spend´ that amount.. you ´invest´ it because it wil keep it´s value over the years or even increases in value. And if you buy from an AD at retail price, you already have an increased value on the grey market. If you buy a fake you 100% lose that money
@@TheGoat-hg6um I understand what you mean, but I was referring to you saying it´s ´not worth´ paying more for a genuine watch. That´s why I gave the reasons why people would pay more for a genuine.
Getting one from AD is the hard part if it was easy I would buy a Rolex every week and sell it on a profit hence why hard to get or everyone would be doing same
The investment is the time, wear, and durability of the watch. Sure it holds its value but foolish to bank on watches for value. The $$$ value only become real when you sell the watch for more than what you paid for. With Rolex modern watches will not be as valuable as pre-ceramic Rolex. The watches that will increase in value are the models that had a short production run. SeaDweller 116600, 14270 Explorer holes case, 43mm SeaDweller first year production with no crown at 6 o’clock. Yellow dial OP 41mm/36mm. Swiss only dial Submariners or other Rolex models. Right now these are at obtainable prices but who knows in 20-30 years how much will they be worth?
Of course there is backplay in a Rolex bezel, there are 120 clicks, so that's two per second. You move a Rolex bezel 1/3rd of a second forward, you can move it back 1/3rd of a second. That's obvious.
@aresmoraitis1784 the only thing better in VSF is the movement. Clean has much accurate exterior. The CLEAN'S movement can be upgraded quite easily to the movement inside the vsf
Would be a perfectly good watch if they used their own branding and left the movement bear. Fake watches are worthless, they don't represent the item that they're claiming to, and the fact that there are some glaring differences is exactly what makes it inauthentic (other than the fact it wasn't made by Rolex).
Was honestly thinking the same thing. If they could really tighten down their QA process they could be known as the best value watch brand in the world.
@@EspressoWatches Exactly. I honestly have never had an issue with homage watches, and prior to owning my Black Bay 58, I’d owned a bunch. Although homages are knock offs, I see no real issue with them, as they are awesome bang for buck watches for those who don’t care for branding. Replicas have just always seemed so odd to me. Perfectly good watch ruined by the fake branding. The funniest bit of it all, is that they'd be able to sell it for more money, have an easier time getting past customs, and they'd have a far larger customer base. Imagine a Ginault type company using non-patented Rolex 31xx caliber clones, with the same finishing as the fake Sub, and with actual customer service. The latest Sugess chronograph is a step in the right direction.
But they wouldn't sell in the amounts they do now, 95% of these fake watches are staying in Asia/China where they are viewed as effectively genuine. Because the real thing just isn't available and due to cost of living differences and import tax even if it was a plain steel Submariner would be the equivalent of probably half a million US dollars to the average westerner. In a land where the average salary is in the region of $300 a month most of which is not disposable a watch priced in the tens of thousands of dollars just isn't viable.
Hi there I've got a fake sea dweller and love it to bits it keeps great time is it wrong with having a fake.i though it was how it makes you feel ..fake it to make it 😂😂😆😆👍 great video
ppl wont notice… the problem is, YOU know its not a real rolex and that sinks your self esteem.. the same way you feel when u get a new iphone, new pairs of nikes …its about the feeling..and you dont get that from a fake
@@ivoshandor6859 😂 what ? i do not wear fakes so my self esteem isnt hurt but you seem offended by the comment.. you will always know you wear a fake and that you couldnt afford the real one. you are laing to yourself. if you going to fake flex and be proud of your fake watch showing it to everyone your soul is lost ma guy
Not at all. Its fascinating to me that they can replicate a rolex so closely. I wear mine proudly and am open about it being a rep. Allowing a watch to affect your self esteem seems so immature to me. We’re not children.
It's a super clown movement. They've pretty much a 1:1 copy except for the balance and the escapement, as they are way too sophisticated for fakes to make without millions of dollars of investment
For a man to buy an (orig.) expensive (in your eyes) watch is imho always coupled to only to intensions…to show yourself and/or others to have accomplished something. If not, you are a speculator. jm2c
I saw a video were a guy took a fake Rolex into the Rolex store to ask them if it was real or fake. Even Rolex congratulated him and told him it was real. Unless they started laughing after lying to the guy when he walked out the store 😂
You would have to be blind or stupid to be around rolexes at least 8 hours a day an not be able to tell the difference between this and the real thing. The only people you're going to fool are: 1. People from a distance 2. People who dont know much about rolexes
I would like to get me a real good super clone Rolex GMT at a decent price. 2 questions? From whom to buy? There are many despicable and crooked dealers who take your money and never ship you the watch. How much to pay for a good quality super clone Rolex GMT? Thanks for helping.
I could tell after 2 seconds of video it was fake lol, the font on the number of the date wheel is well off! The easiest thing to spot quickly on a fake
I am starting to think we are getting ripped off with luxury watches because these faults you seeing on the fake are also happening on original watches coming from Rolex, so you are paying for the name if the fake had a different name you would say for $600 it was a piece well made. Everyone loves rolex. I get that but the quality of the original is not worth 10 times of the fake you can buy microbrand watches with fantastic quality for 10th of the price.
Nonsense, dont take the exception and make it the rule. I'm sure out of the 1M watches rolex makes, some of them somewhere have a defect. By contrast, I randomly received a watch from be best producer of rolexes and I had problems with the date wheel, dial, bracelet, polishing, and who knows how many other problems appear in the future. The level of QA is from a different galaxy between these two. The sad thing, is that I think for a $100 extra, the fakes could solve all these problems but for some reason just want to shoot for volume.
The lugs against the SELs look like shit. This is how you can immediately spot a fake within 5 seconds. Not even CF or VSF can ever recess the SELs against the lugs properly and you end up with those big black lines on all four lugs that look horrible to look at. On a gen, the recession is perfect and super subtle on every of the four corners and therefore the "black lines" u see on ur rep (between the SELs and the lugs) are seamless and don't create those massive black lines that is created with the terrible recession of reps. They recess it too much and it just looks bad. Also the engraving on the clasp is terrible. I own the latest CF, VSF, and a gen and this is how I know all this. The reps are nowhere near a gen in terms of actual quality. Every rep fan boy that claims nonsense, is because they've never owned a gen and just want to convince themselves otherwise .
Agreed with your last point. I got downvoted to hell for saying that you can tell a rep instantly just by picking it up once you’ve handled a genuine rolex
Mine was chinese junk vsf, the crown stem snapped after 2 months. Doesn't come close to the quality control of the OG. Did lure me to the purchase the real deal however.
This is why you work hard save your money and buy from an AD even if you have to wait months or a year. Don’t buy from the grey market because you might end up with a fake or stolen watch. If you buy online ALWAYS take it to a Rolex AD to verify if your watch is genuine. Don’t support fake watches. Don’t be posers. Yes a Rolex is expensive but not impossible to obtain. It’s better to buy the real thing and enjoy it for the rest of your life. One and done you will be ok, that’s all a man needs. One proper Rolex timepiece
I would have agreed with this sentiment until I walked into an AD and was fed a loud of crap about wait lists and I need to express an interest and get put on a list. I knew nothing about the grey market at that point, once I realised the game that was afoot. I thought screw that. Rolex have let their good name, in my opinion get tarnished by the dodgy practices of some of their AD’s. Would not buy one now at any price.
Don’t dream about getting one. I’ve waited for almost 5yrs now. Unless u have an impressive position or your own company printed on a name card, purchased a few non Rolex items from their less desirable list,u ain’t getting anything from the AD.
What hurts is people are selling some really good quality clones for the price of a Factory Rolex. In Miami a watch dealer purchased a high quality clone. He lost over 10k.
Context when he shows the dial u can see on the writing on the rehaut dose not match up with the minutes marks on the dial they should be in the center of each letter and on the date u can easily see that the 4 sits a little higher then the 2 on 24
If you do a little homework you can find out quite a bit about watch reps. They obviously vary in quality. If you find the right product you can buy very good reps that are far and away better than paying the price of a genuine item. The main reason that reps are popular is because the genuine articles are too expensive for most of us to purchase and also because the stores that sell them are picky about who gets the privilege of buying them. This is something that will never change. So Replica watches will always be a thing. If you want to purchase a nice replica you have to do the work and find out who and where and how to buy them. Then you have a better chance of buying something nice. The more you know about watches and how they are made the better. Replica watch enthusiasts know a lot about horology. You can learn something from them. It isn't going to be served to you on a silver platter though.
