Shabir is honestly and genuinely the most kind and most humane person ive ever seen in my life.. May Allah bless him with highest rank in Jannah.. Ameen
Shahbaz Shabir said in one of his videos "its a little silly to see it from the (animal) victims point of view. The way animals are being killed in this society is not ethical. If you watch "earthlings" you would have a more understanding.
Beautiful fruitful discussion wish more people were this sincere and respectful in speakers corner. Great to see King shabbir back inshAllah would love to meet him one day perhaps when I go to my appointment at Royal Blackburn hospital in the coming months 😂
I love shabirs discussions but in most of the videos the sound quality is not so good, especially with the background noise. like this comment if you experience the same so that they know this is a problem for everyone.
@27:30 YES, Mr. Shabir agrees that killing always involves a victim. Now the second part comes to play, is it necessary. In self defense, its moral, because it is necessary for your survival. Now looking at killing animals to eat them. Mr. Shabir understands the animal is the victim. But is it necessary? Mr. Shabir lives in a country where we get our food from supermarkets, where there all sorts of plant foods, nuts, seeds, whole grains, legumes, beans, rice, potatoes and al sorts of vegan alternatives. So it is unnecessary. The conclusion should therefore be that for Mr. Shabir, it is immoral to eat meat.
Thanas Stefanis V Is moral objective? I would say it is and ultimately its God who decides what is moral and immoral, as God is the only anchor that transcends human subjectivity. So when God says I have given you permission to eat certain animals then it is morally acceptable to eat them.
No Offence, but, I think the discussion will be nice and move faster if Br. Shabir just states the points rather than beat about the bush and the conversations longer without coming to a proper concluding. One may have a different way of thinking, and so, not everyone can follow the thinking you would want...again...no offence...just observations
Ali Issifu any one who is intelligent would understand brother Shabir's logic and rational thinking unless someone chooses to be stubborn or someone who is either aged and unable to digest Shabir's examples or someone who is a minor or not mature enough to understand the level of academic style Brother Shabir uses for his debate. But I love it. May Allah bless him.
I am also very sure unintelligent people could also follow his thought processes...he breaks it down to the lowest logical reasoning. It follows simple logical reasoning. I also love his style but just pointing out no one or not everyone can reads one's mind as to what one wants to be said.
I can understand why people are vegan in this day and age because animals are being treated horrifically and atrociously. But if animals live a good life and only have one bad day iin their life (i.e. the day they die) that's very different.
Yeah but there's only the argument about necessity. A few centuries ago, we needed that meat as a great source of calories since food was scarce and not enough, right now we don't and we can have enough food to sustain ourselves without the need to kill an animal.
+Zakaria Fadli I agree we don't need to eat so much meat as we do, but we have been permitted to eat meat by Allah, so occasionally is not wrong. also veganism is not just about meat, there is milk, eggs, cheese, honey etc. we have been told by Allah about milk and honey, so I trust my lord more than any human ever changing ideas. as long as creatures are treated with respect and humanity , we are permitted to eat meat and animal products by our Lord.
Maryam Amirah I'm a muslim vegan myself and i do trust my lord as well as our prophet mohammed PBUH, but i find that our consumption of animal products is killing the earth (polution of the environement), the animals (the extinction of various species) and the humans (cancer, heart disease, diabetes ...) so going vegan for me is logical. I'm not saying that you should go vegan or that you are wrong, all i'm saying is that there are valid arguments for veganism even within islam itself, what i would urge you and other people that don't want to go vegan is to eat the way the prophet did, he was semi-vegetarian and ate animal products rarely not daily.
+Zakaria Fadli I agree our food system today is messed up and it is hurting animals and humans alike. I'm semi vegetarian like prophet Muhammad saw alhamdulah, and I try to eat free range pastured animal products when I can
