I LOVE that a question is posited in the title, and is answered in the first 10 seconds lol! I'll stick around to watch the whole thing just because it is click-baity .
Thanks. I gotta rock the slightly click-bait titles to get people's attention, but I promise to always pay off right away because I want you guys to trust me🙂
This is an extremely helpful video. I've been evaluating various diy pizza oven designs. While I would someday like to build a big dome oven (perhaps an earthen oven), I also came to the conclusion that this design is more realistic for me. I really appreciate the tips and tricks! So helpful!
You're welcome, and I'm right there with you. I'm looking forward to building a dome oven one day too, but this design is happily holding me over until then. And it will probably always be the most used, because of its size and ability to heat fast.
I agree completely! I have all kinds of cooking equipment for parties and family gatherings but end up using a grill made from a wheel rim most of the time for me and my wife cause it’s smaller, faster and more efficient. This oven is the same.
Be careful with pallet wood , it may have chemicals on it especially when it burns black smoke. Brick should be natural as well with no added chemicals.
Good comment @jaxlltv. This is a great discussion and I hope others chime in here, because of course my perspective is only one among many. I'm very careful to only select pallets made from untreated pine for burning. If there is any doubt, I won't burn them. Of course I cannot guarantee anything, but who can? For one, economics is my guide... Like a plastic drink bottle, most pallets are a single use item. Why would you pay extra to treat it with chemicals if it is not designed to last multiple uses? That's a glaring inefficiency. Also, I currently have several pallets of various ages rotting in different places in the garden, and there is no way they have been treated with anything considering the rate of decay that I observe. I'm also lucky to have a close friend who has worked in the timber industry his whole life, so I'll weight his advice on safety above most other sources. And finally, just to hedge my bets, I only use the pallet wood during the early stages. By the time I'm cooking, that wood is just ash. I know nothing about chemicals in bricks, but I would be curious to know as @teklife suggested??
@@maker_food Hi, I am not knowledgeable in regards to the topic, but I've heard that there are heat treated ones and chemical treated ones. I did a quick search which seems to confirm what I had heard, try looking into it :)
@@maker_food Most palletes have letter HT which means heat treatment. So those are without chemicals. But chemically treated exists. It is for international transport to remove any pests. Also pallet can be used for transport of some fertilizers for example, or can stand in some spillage, etc. So inspection is needed.I am from europe, so maybe in Zealand it is different.
@@PeKlim Great information here and pretty much agrees with what I know too. Most of our chemically treated pallets get painted, usually blue. Those are never out to be claimed anyway. Your advice on the type of materials that might have been transported is something I hadn't thought about. Good idea to avoid ones from agricultural or chemical related stores. Thanks for taking the time to contribute your knowledge.
First, you are a very patient person. I read through all of the comments before asking yet another question and noted your response to the tenth person who asked the same question was as cheerful and helpful as the first. Very impressive! Second, have any bricks other than the floor paver cracked or broken? Third, have you experimented with the height of the cooking chamber? I started with 12” but have cut it back to 8”. It seems that most of the convective heat forms a laminar flow blanketing the roof of the oven. Fourth, people who worry a lot about food grade cooking surfaces should not cook outside.
Thanks. That's amazing that you read every comment first! I just assume most people haven't and try to answer accordingly, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I prefer the informed commenters.🙃 -I haven't had any other cracks, but I have noticed a few of the bricks wearing a bit around the edges and corners, leaving gaps for smoke to escape. That's probably a combination of the heat and settling. -I haven't yet altered the ceiling height, but I may play around with that. I set my height so that my big roasting pan would fit inside. It's definitely less efficient for pizza, as you so succinctly stated, but I want to be able to cook other things in it and 1 brick height wouldn't leave me much room. Do you get more even top-to-bottom heat distribution since you lowered your ceiling? I know I'm going to be jealous of your answer, because you're so right, that heat just sits up there taunting me! I lift my pizzas up to it with the peel at the end of cooking. I think I showed that in my Wood Fired PIzza video. - Perfectly said. I worry more about the contaminants already in the food than those coming from outside!
Yes. Your $24 oven is better than the cracked concrete dome oven sold by many companies. They frequently can't handle the heat and crack...bricks anyday!
Hooray for bricks! This oven is getting close to 3 years old now and only one of the pavers has a small crack. The bricks are in great shape. I'll definitely take it. Thanks for watching!
Honestly, I couldn't be happier with it. I'm only going to make more because I'm a big dumb pizza nerd who can't help himself. But I don't forsee any other oven being able to compete with this one as the all-around workhorse. Thanks for watching.
Thanks so much for your kind words. I'm really happy that people are finding the video useful. I'm looking forward to having a space where we can all learn together. So many people have good ideas out there and I'm just a conduit for helping spread them.
great video mate. concise and efficient use of time. looking forward to more. side note: love your backyard setup :), throw a few nasturtium petals on the pizza for me next time
What I appreciate about your DIY Oven Design is that you address the essentials for the Oven Performance you are looking for & that w/ a very underpriced DIY Oven you accomplish all of those essentials for the oven you are looking to achieve .
That's a great insight! I hadn't even really noticed that, but you're pretty spot on there. Must make sure I give the usual disclaimer that it's not my original idea, but I am working on evolving it to make it even better. Thanks so much for watching!
Haha, so am I. But ChefSteps are legendary; we can't be upset not beating them to the punch. And I'm sure they based their design on a old style, stacked stone, earth oven thingy that I've seen a few times. Hope you build one too. It's worth it!
Build the back wall as a metal wall in back where copper pipes are attached on the other side to heat your hot tub! Pizza and hot tub parties? Oh... put a porcelain ceramic tile on top of the paver to cook the pizza on.
I've had that exact idea! Great minds, aye? I'm planning on building a sauna in place of that loquat tree which has to come out soon. It will be replaced with an avocado tree. I think the hot tub should go on the deck of the sauna, under the avo tree.
That was/is Joey. He came to us as a rescue project. He was hit by a car when he was quite young and had to spend a good portion of his life in a cage as he couldn't fly on his damaged wing. We let him roam at will on the property. He got so much happier and healthier that he could fly (kind of) and took off one day, never to be seen again. Normally that would be great, but as he couldn't really fly that well, we're unsure if he's still out there. He was such a cool character and is sorely missed.
Well........... WTF!..........Great little show!........... a mate of mine made a similar one........... except his "hot plate", was a 20mm steel slab, from the metal recycling place........... why the he'll not!.......... well done!......... l will tell my mate's.......... and look for more of your content.......,..,.10 outta 10!
Thanks so much. I've got one of those "hot plates" as my baking/pizza steel for my indoor oven. It's an old BBQ plate. Got to love the metal recyclers!
I would add another level. Then you can light the fire from behind and you won't burn your fingers when the flames come out of the entrance. The oven would be higher and therefore easier to use. And most importantly, the plate that the pizza goes on will heat much more evenly.
Interesting suggestions. I can see some value in that approach. Have you built one like this too? I'm always curios to know what other's experiences have been like. Thanks for watching!
You could improve the oven by different things like change the position of the fire to the side, so when you add in more wood, you don't burn yourself. Just rotate the under half of this construction by 90°C. Also, the stone in the middle can crack after some times, if you use a metal gutter or anything below, the crack won't let all pieces fall apart.
Those are fantastic suggestions! I really like the idea of the firebox offset by 90°. You could probably adjust that based on your aspect to take advantage of the prevailing breeze. Could help with airflow and draft.
Sí, eso ayuda mucho. Intenta también utilizar madera lo más seca posible y, lo mejor, trozos más pequeños para que no eche humo mientras espera a encenderse. Buena suerte.
I think they all looked like that back then by accident. As in it would be hard to make a nice flat sheet of stone back in that time, and it just happened to be the better design in the long run.
For sure mate! Going to happen. With the launch of my channel, I've finally got an excuse to get my starter out of cryostorage and start making sourdough again. Thanks for watching.
Thanks so much! I take that as a very high complement from a pizza aficionado as yourself. Where did you get that rotating pizza cooker? Does it cook with infrared? It's pretty cool; I'm quite intrigued.
@@maker_food - it’s the pizza pizzazz, I got it on Amazon. It just has two heating elements. It’s a pretty neat little pizza cooker. Best of luck with the channel!
Thanks. I think I'll have to buy one and review it sometime. I intend to try out a bunch of different ovens as part of my content and I guess the Pizza Pizzazz kind of qualifies, haha. Your reviews are great BTW. My wife and I had some great laughs along with you. Love the Seal of Approval!
In fact, I have been planning on adding a second "lid" to the top to trap some more heat. You'll see in an upcoming video exactly why I want it in that location. As far as insulating the firebox or cooking chamber, I honestly haven't thought about it. But I am now... It would need to be cheap and easy to work into the overall philosophy of the oven. I'm into it though. What would you recommend for material and/or form factor?
That's a really good question. You're instincts about seasoning are generally quite accurate, but in this case I haven't seasoned it at all. I'm not sure if stone cooking surfaces ever ask for seasoning, but now I'm really curious to find out. That will be a little area of research for me because I genuinely have no idea. See, this is what I love about having a community asking good questions! In the meantime, I suspect your sticking is probably to do with 1 of 2 factors, perhaps both. Was your dough spread out quite thin? Even if it hasn't torn through completely, if there is a thin spot and you have a fairly wet pizza, the steam that flashes when the pizza hits the cooking surface will kind of over-hydrate the dough in that spot and turn it into a sticky paste which bonds like super glue immediately. This happens to me semi-regularly, so don't feel bad. It's easy to do. If you think this has happened, your best bet is to try not to move it as long as you can wait. That spot will sometime scab over and then you can move it around. I can usually rescue all but the worst sticky, burny spots. At the very least, it may be written off entirely as a large crispy hockey puck, but hopefully won't dump a mountain of toppings and cheese on your surface. The other likely culprit is that your cooking surface wasn't hot enough. It's kind of the same problem in a way. The high heat causes the dough to case harden immediately, creating a protective layer from all the moisture in the dough and toppings. If you aren't hot enough, that scabbing over occurs too slowly and the dough has time to bond with the stone. It might be worth getting a laser thermometer so you can check your surface temp. I think I got mine for about $20-25. I like my cooking surface at or around 350C (660F), but even 250- 300C is usually plenty enough to prevent sticking One thing that may help in either case is try using extra flour on your peel (and under the pizza) before you slide it into the oven. It will work as a bit of a protective layer between the wetness of the dough and the heat (or lack thereof) of the stone. While it will burn and create some off flavors and a slightly unpleasant texture (as it sticks to the underside of the crust), it's better than wasting the whole pizza for sure. And you can brush some of it off the bottom of the pizza after it comes out and solidifies a bit. You can slowly pare back the amount of flour you use over time as you continue to work the problem. Hope this helps. Thanks for watching!
It turns out, seasoning stoneware is indeed a thing. Meathead has a good little article on it here: amazingribs.com/ratings-reviews-and-buying-guides/bbq-tools-toys-and-accessory-reviews/pizza-tools/conditioning-and/ I love this! If you end up seasoning your cooking surface, please let me know how it goes.
@@maker_food Thank you for the very thoughtful answers!! So appreciated. I actually think that my dough was too high hydration for the stove. I'm going to attempt to season it and start with a lower hydration dough, to see if that works better. Good day to you! :)
I’ve been thinking about building one of these because I got some free bricks from a neighbor, but I’ve been warned by a couple people that the cement will explode, and be a safety concern. Have you experienced that?
I've been fortunate so far that I haven't had any explosions, but I have also taken deliberate steps to avoid this. I burned several small fires in my oven before I ever got it really cranking. I believe this helped drive off any residual moisture. I also keep it covered at all times unless I'm cooking with it. Moisture trapped in the concrete is the real enemy. I have heard of concrete exploding, and even seen it in a video, but I think it's probably rarer than the internet would have us believe. What I think is more likely is that the concrete will crack and eventually fail, but not necessarily catastrophically. Any way you look at it, it's worth taking precautions when you use it, especially in the first few uses. The bricks should be totally fine. The pavers are where you want to be more careful. There are some types of pavers that can take more heat than others, but I'm hesitate to recommend any because I haven't done enough research to feel confident giving out advice. FWIW, my pavers are concrete (no idea what kind of aggregate) that have been reinforced with rebar. Thanks for watching.
That's so funny. Not 2 days ago I was thinking about whether I could put a dome on this oven! It would definitely change the thermodynamics, but I don't see any reason why you couldn't adapt to the new conditions. You'd probably have to be careful about too much open flame during cooking, as the dome might force too much heat (even flames) down onto the top of the pizza. But you shouldn't need that extra flame heat during a cook, as the dome will be radiating the captured heat more effectively downwards anyway. I feel I really need to put this to the test. Thanks for watching and for asking a good question:-)
Thanks. I don't really believe in concepts like Better and Best, but it is a good way to get people to click on the video. And so I feel I owe it to the viewers to pay it off right away and not leave you in click-bait hell. Thanks for watching.
The bricks are simple clay masonry bricks like you would find almost anywhere in the world. The pavers are made from concrete reinforced with rebar. Hope this helps.
I can see that paver you are cooking on that the fire hits is already failing. If you don’t make the cooking slab out of fire cement the slab/ paver will fail in time.
You're not wrong. I am planning on casting my own pavers out of some kind of refractory cement at some point. Luckily there is no rush, as this one is reinforced with rebar, so it's not going to fully fail for a long time. Thanks for watching.
I won't place food on heated concrete. Perhaps you could either place a pizza stone(which would affect your temperature?) or put a layer of clay, fire it after it has been sun baked.
All good man. Everybody has to make their own decisions. I'm comfortable cooking directly on the concrete, but a layer of fired clay sounds like a good idea for those who are hesitant. Have you done this before? Thanks for watching!
It can absolutely be raised. I've seen them built up on a brick platform, kind of like you see with the outdoor kitchen model. It's a bit tricky since you have to account for the weight and the heat, so the ground ends up being the easiest place by default, but it wouldn't take too much effort to build something sturdy enough to handle it. Thanks for watching!
Like a double stack pizza oven? That's actually a pretty cool idea. I'd need to think a bit about how to get enough heat into the top chamber. It's definitely possible and would probably make good content if I can figure out the engineering challenges. You never know, you might see a video about that one day!
This is a good idea! I have been looking for an alternative to my dome oven and this will probably be it. I built my oven and it works flawlessly. The great thing about dome ovens is the heat retention. After finishing a pizza session, I usually put a pork leg in there, close the door, and by next day it’s falling apart. However, like you said it’s a lot of time, 2-3 hours, for getting to temperature. For a quick middle of the week pizza, not really doable. Thank you for the video!
I can't tell you how jealous I am. I want one of those big beautiful dome ovens badly! The even heat distribution and thermal rebound are undoubtedly superior to this one. But I do love the quick heat up and ability to easily move/repair this one. Do you have space to build one of these nearby, so that you have both? I think that's the best option if you have the space. Thanks for watching😀
Good question. The pavers are 600 x 600mm (about 24"). The material is concrete reinforced with rebar. This is highly recommended if you can find it. Thanks for watching!
I've had the deck temperature at close to 500°C on the top (cooking) side. The underside and the firebox usually max out my laser thermometer. I agree, I think the materials are food safe. Thanks for watching!
I've seen videos of these post-explosion. It seems concrete can explode under extreme temps. Got me a bit worried now as I've built mine but not used it yet .....
I understand. I was quite hesitant the first few times too. Maybe try starting with a small fire for a short time and slowly ramp up the temp and duration each iteration, like I did? The barest minimum of research suggests that "concrete can explode (spall) under extreme heat due to trapped moisture vaporizing and creating pressure. This explosive spalling typically occurs above 572°F (300°C) and is more likely with rapid temperature increases." So maybe your chances of success improve with lower moisture and slower heating?? I don't know; I'm no engineer. But I hope you give it a try and make great pizza. Let me know how it goes. Good luck:-)
@@maker_food I'm too risk averse to be honest haha. However I didn't want to abandon the project. So I've replaced the baking paver with 8 fire bricks supported by a stainless steel cooling rack. Then I've placed a sheet of 2.5cm vermiculite fire board under the roof paver and a piece on top of the bottom paver (my oven is raised up off the ground so needed a paver to put the fire on). I'm hoping that not only will the vermiculite protect the pavers, but it should insulate a fair amount of heat inside of the oven which may aid performance. Not going to be able to test it for at least a week or so due to rain forecast pretty much every day, so I'm keeping the rain cover on it. I'll post a short video and comment here if you want to take a look once its done
What a great idea. I most definitely do want to see it. For a while now, I've been thinking about building a new oven with fire bricks and refractory cement pavers. I might even go crazy and try to cast everything myself! I'll definitely cast the pavers. I'm curious to see how your solution works out. Make sure you let me know.
@@maker_foodthat's sounds interesting, I'll be sure to watching your channel to see how you get on. If you're interested in seeing the results of an exploding paving slab search RU-vid for "exploding pizza oven" you should find a short showing the immediate aftermath. That was enough to make me seriously revise my design!
Nope, no flue. It smokes up a storm! I guess the cooking chamber is actually the flue to some degree. That's why I use very small, very dry pieces of hardwood just before cooking, to keep the smoke to a minimum at go time. Thanks for watching.
The cooking chamber IS the flue. This thing works like a combo fireplace/rocket stove/convection oven. If the fire is good and hot, there is very little smoke generated and what is made doesn’t get a lot of contact time with the food.
Not at all offended, and you're right! I'm 100% American by birth. Moved here in '99 so I've spend enough time here to sound like either depending upon the day. Glad you enjoyed it.
That was/is Joey. He came to us as a rescue project. He was hit by a car when he was quite young and had to spend a good portion of his life in a cage as he couldn't fly on his damaged wing. We let him roam at will on the property. He got so much happier and healthier that he could fly (kind of) and took off one day, never to be seen again. Normally that would be great, but as he couldn't really fly that well, we're unsure if he's still out there. He was such a cool character and is sorely missed.
You're 100% correct, a fact which I addressed early on in my video. Luckily it's a very easy shortcoming to overcome (keep it moving and raise up as needed). Thanks for watching:-)
It was😢Joey came to us as a rescue project. He was hit by a car when he was quite young and had to spend a good portion of his life in a cage as he couldn't fly. He came to us and we let him roam at will on the property. He got so much better that he could fly (kind of) and took off one day, never to be seen again. Normally that would be great, but as he couldn't fly very well, we're unsure if he's still out there...
I actually have put berries on a dessert pizza before. It wasn't great. I think apple and pear are much better. In this case, perhaps you mistook the caviar for berries? Let's be honest, that's also a weird pizza ingredient. But it was actually quite nice. It was a bit like the classic smoked salmon and capers flavor combo. Thanks for watching:-)
I didn't even comprehend at the time that I was barefoot. I realized in editing I probably wasn't setting a good example. But my content is meant to be the real me, and I do dumb stuff sometimes, just like everyone:-)
Yeah, I think if my pavers weren't reinforced with rebar, they would have collapsed by now too. Steel is great, but as I'm sure you know, you want to watch your heat. Steel has so much thermal mass and a very high conduction rate that it will dump a TON of heat into your pizza very quickly, potentially burning it in no time. That's the reason it's so prized for indoor ovens that can't get very hot. My plan is to cast pavers in refractory cement (with rebar, if possible) because I think that will address both the cracking and heating issues.
So total cringe moment.. I'm guilty of it to.. do stuff barefoot... My guy I thought for sure your bricks were coming down on your foot when lifting the paver. Glad it didn't! Thank you for making this, awesome job!
Fantastic project. Will try that out in my country house here in Brazil (we are in Sorocaba, SP - quite far away from New Zealand). We have been scratching our heads to find best and most cost effective pizza oven, and this one here seems to be, at least, worth trying.
Boa sorte amigo. Penso que este forna esta perfeito para uma fazenda Brasilera. A churrasco de pizza!! :-) Espero que voces fazer alguma coisa fantastica! [Desculpe, o meu portugese fica muita huim agora].
I think you've nailed it. Large flat stones are more hard to come by than clay. I intend to make an old school style dome oven out of cobb and clay and whatever other earthen materials that I can get my hands on. My Self Reliance built a really cool one a few years ago that inspired me. I think that'll be a frustrating but fun experience!
You can get a decent gas burner oven for 300 bucks if you know where to look. Its a whole new level of convinience to just connect it to the gas and turn it on. Bam 20mins you've got 400c stone temparature. Or lowering the fire a bit to not burn the toppings too much. Yes you don't get the smokey aroma but thats pretymuch all carcinogenic stuff if we are honest.
You bring up a good point. Comparing this to the dome ovens is a bit apples to oranges. I want to put it side by side with the Ooni Koda or something similar which is a closer comparison. I really like what I see of those gas ovens. I'm going to buy one and do some content with it eventually. What brand do you have and what do you think of it overall?
Man, you sound like you were born in Louisiana and moved to Australia and started picking up the accent, or vice versa. Interesting accent either way lol. Also, that first pizza looked amazing.
Damn, you've got a great ear! Are you one of my cousins in disguise? You're absolutely right, or very close. I was indeed born in Louisiana (outside Baton Rogue). Moved to New Zealand in '99 where I still live. Thanks for watching!
@@maker_food Absolutely. Thanks for the response. Its hard to pick up the New Zealander twang through the thickness of the American, but I did see you mentioned New Zealand later in the video. Maybe I am a cousin. I'd be happy to be your cousin if you're making some of those pizzas at your next family reunion haha
That's a fair point... if you are not careful. I only burn pallets that haven't been chemically treated. We're lucky that in New Zealand we have labelling on some pallets, so you can be sure of what you are getting. And that pine is totally embers or ash before a pizza ever touches the oven. I never have turpentine flavor in my pizza. Except when I put rosemary on some of them:-) Thanks for watching!
neither are sufficiently good, I've made one with refractory ceramics/tungsten wire resistence/temperature control dimmer with an air intake for convection effect, for 400 bucks and it's portable as well
Most people will burn pizza if the flame is "under." Also, what material is the food sitting on? A concrete paver has some nasty chemicals that begin to break down when put in a flame or are exposed to those temperatures. Instead, make "just one box" where the wood burns. Everything happens inside one box. Wide and thin, not two story, tall, When the fire "is out" and you just have a pile of coals, move the coal piles to the left and the right, close up the back to seal in the heat, and place the pizza between the coals. The front is always open, but it's a long and thin opening. With the coals all around the pizza, the pizza can be placed on a food safe sheet or thin pan.
😛. I've been asked if I'm Dutch, Irish, German, even South African. I was born in the States and moved to NZ in my twenties, so the accent is fully hybridized now. I even sound weird to myself!
@@maker_food haha, I cycled through a few of these before I settled on US/NZ. I don’t think people who are prepared to uproot their whole lives to move to another country get the respect they deserve. Kudos to you. (Didn’t quite come far enough tho! 🇦🇺😉)
Seriously, it's shameful that I have been here for 25 years and have only been to Oz once. Melbourne is a great city, very keen to check out more of the country. Perth and WA are of particular interest. Hopefully this channel does well and I can earn some extra money for travel.
@@maker_food Ha, that’s nothing - I’m half Kiwi & I’ve only been there once! There’s plenty to check out over here tho so I’ll give you a sub for free! Good luck 👍
Here's the link to the original build video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tHMQ_QQJtbY.html At the bottom of the description of the video, there is a link to their website where you can get the plans in a PDF, but I think it's still behind a paywall. However, they show how to do it in the video so you don't really need the plans. Thanks for watching.
@@maker_food thanks. I had asked a few people who have had this design for a while and it appears the bottom paver is the limiting component. I thought to address this two ways; use a smaller 16x16 stone for the bottom that slides out like an oven rack and treat it like a consumable part, then I happened to have a 16 x 16 3/8” ballistic steel plate to rest the bottom paver on. It worked quite well. Again, thank you for the time and effort making this video and replying to me!
You're absolutely right, it is the limiting factor. There is another maker that made a custom metal tray to rest his stone on. What I like about your solution is the additional thermal mass from having that 3/8" plate. Your deck temp must rebound so quick! I've got a piece of ~1/2" cast iron from an old BBQ plate that I haven't found a use for yet. You got me thinkin....
Be careful with using pavers, unless you found some which are not treated with any harsh chemicals. I've been wanting to make one of this style but I've heard a lot about how they are not the safest
Okay, that's interesting. I haven't heard much about that. I'd be very interesting in reading about that. Do you have a source you can point me toward? I'd love to open this up to some discussion with people that know more than me, which is probably everyone, haha. Thanks for watching and taking the time to post a thoughtful comment :-)
Good suggestion. That could be the solution when/if the paver fails, but as it's reinforced with rebar, it's not going anywhere in a hurry. I do use a cast iron plate from an old BBQ as my pizza steel in my home oven. Or I will do soon, as I still need to cut it down to size after upgrading to a newer (smaller) oven. Thanks for watching!
Thanks. Is it that obvious how obsessive I am with the wood stacking?!😆 I legit will sometimes just go and stare at the wood pile for like half an hour. It's my little zen moment of the day. There's no hope for me, lol!
@@maker_food As I watched you work around the yard, I was envious... from my quake-prone rooftop city apartment. I miss the land. A good wood-stack is a talisman of loved kids and great hospitality.
