The river is tough here Bart. I was totally with you in my feelings about hero's turn sizing. Because of that the river is sticky. I think hero gets called often when he goes small & his over-bet jam looks very bluffy here. If I was going to play this hand somewhat similar... I'd probably go close to pot but under, so maybe like 600. On the other hand I'm quite nitty, in this specific configuration I'm mostly flatting AQ pre. If I did 3 bet it here, I think I'd check this flop pretty often.
I think the mistake was on the turn. You pointed out that pocket pairs and Jacks are probably still going to call a bet. But the caller thought the four on the turn was a good card to keep bluffing on. I disagree. I think this is a bad card for the caller. I think that the caller shouldn't have bet the turn. I liked his play preflop and on the flop, but I think that he needs to check turn and check river. I don't think that this was a good run out to try to bluff. After he bets the turn and gets called, I think that he needs to check the river.
Jeez, Bart... I get the range perspective but this double-flatter has been "p---y calling" all the way down. V obviously has something to beat H considering the dynamics of play. It's live poker and it's low stakes... not a great example to perform higher-stakes analysis upon.
5-10 with 3K cap has been running since April 2023 usually with straddle. The back room that used to have uncapped 5-10-20 now has uncapped 10-20-40, very tough game with top Euro pros and 1 older recreational player that sometimes joins. There's some pretty sharp young 2-5 regs that don't play the 5-10 because of the straddle and the variance that comes with it. Overall it's a tougher than average 2-5 but you'll still see allot of terrible plays typical of smaller games.
9:20 “the reason for going for that sizing is to bring along those hands and keep his range pretty wide”. Er…you said his range was Jx and pocket pairs. Why do you want to keep those hands in?
@@benlloyd9448 it also lets those calls draw out and then decide not to fold when those weaker hands stay in and hit also if they're prone to fold you want to bet more so your bluff is worth more especially when you set up a fucking shove. Why waste your shove to steal a small amount? So when you steal with your shove you steal a small amount but when he calls it you lose a large amount? lol
Yeesh. C-betting flop small is okay. But I'm checking turn after V calls. Might also check flop to make a delayed c-bet on turn. Shutting it down on river, or at most betting small just to fold out AKo and AQo. Just seems like V isn't folding anything that beats ace high here, on this board that doesn't seem to favor the pre flop 3B'ers range.
I'd say it is a rampage punt. If you've been playing aggressively during the session then then your opponent is going to look you up with a lot of hands here, and with him double flatting it just smells like pocket pairs. Those are hands he is going to use to make you prove you actually have it. Rampage punt.
A courageous bluff, not sure if the villain can call with Jx, let alone pocket pairs against a river overpot tbh. Agree with Bart that turn sizing was bit too small to fold out any pair at all, so if villain happened to hv pocket 5s and boat up on the river the hero has nobody else to blame. As played, a standard river bet size will probably fold out all pocket pairs and get called by jx, which is a fair result.
How bout the bigger bet on the turn to fold out 9's n 10's & maybe some weak J's.???? Like 425-450$ THEN not jam river n give up there.. Save half stackish.. Cause if they call the 425+-$, they ll call jam 4 sure. There were no draws he could have been calling with to fold. So either he had it or didnt. I think that s the best way to play this textured board with the action pre the same(no matter holdings). what do i kno?
Jx should call because if he’s doing this with AQs he is also doing it with AKs, AKo, AQo, KQs and some partial of KQo. Which is a ton of combinations compared to AA KK and QQ for value.
I don't think that's how it works because he's not ALWAYS doing this with all of those combos. I don't think he's triple barreling 100% of the time as a bluff, that would be hilariously easy to exploit. He had diamonds here, which gives him the backdoor flush draw and a good choice for it. AsKs is a much worse continue here, for example, because it doesn't block any backdoor flush continues, has no backdoor flush itself and doesn't lose to someone trying to hero call you with AK.
There’s also AJ for value, and possibly A5s might 3 bet, but say about 24 value hands, which means about 12 bluffs he should have at the river to make Villain indifferent to calling with Jacks. The math is start with a ton of bluffs at the flop, and bring that down in following streets, to not make it easy to call on the river, as you point out. In practice, however, I don’t know if people would actually call with Jacks in that situation facing a $1k bet, especially given most players don’t bluff the river enough. As always “It depends.”
says the scrub. Let me guess you saw high level players fold to people who they consider good? lol very telling. " Even high level players aren't calling 100% with KJ or weaker." also so then what you get stacked with anything better? thats a terrible play since all the guy has to do is call that peesize turn bet with junk and if he hits he gets 1800? and when he misses he can just fold no sweat off his back (which is how most people play) so the line is pointless and the other general types of players will do the same thing but also make call downs with weaker and calls with j. Boohoo lost 175$ at 2/5 lol on a call that if he hit would land him 1800+. Terrible scrub line. Youre just walking implied odds with a cheap lotto ticket to get in
@@fdgfg764 High level players are more likely to bluff catch river overbets but their bluff catching frequency is lower in your average 2-5 game (than say a 5-10) where players are underbluffing rivers. If villain has junk, he has spent $370 to get to the river. You're going to call a raise then a 3bet preflop with A2, 52, 75? Hero described villain as competent. The vast majority of villain's range after the turn is going to be pocket pairs.
@@AT-bw4cm low level player like you know how high level plays? ok? lol yes they are all just as bad as you lmfao Keep running that "fine" line there pal. Obviously some loser nit.
Bet size on the turn seems really bad. Sets up those awkward stack sizes on the river where any bluff size can get called off by a bluff catcher. I'd prefer setting up more geometric sizing turn and river.
The point Bart makes about people going 3 streets with AA is a really annoying part of playing with some live players. I had this recently where I know its the case but I punt anyway, where I took a line that I would definitely have plenty of value, and is standard online, then re-raised river all in as a bluff. Then villain ranged me on 1 hand only for value out loud while taking ages, and im thinking "Oh shit, I have dozens of combos of value that would do this and he only thinks I do this with 1 value. oh well RIP"
I would’ve have gone gone a little bigger on the flop (prob 100) and after the hero called I would probably have given up since I had very few equity against the hands I am supposedly trying to bluff my opponent off ( Ts, 9s, 8s, 7s, 6s)
Turn bet too small. It's actual bluff (no drawing hand). So, how likely the bluff will succeed on a small bet? . River: 12:40 the only hands that H can force out/bluff are AK/AQ. Anything else is either beatable (AT, KQ, KT) or will never fold. So: it's a x/f in my books. (Haven't seen river action at all nor hand reveal yet).
Caller kind of baited himself with the turn bet size. if he were to bet say 300 cuz most small pockets would fold. River half pot, fold to any raise. Could have ejected from the bluff
