Is this going to be the end of Chinese motorcycles?  

The Ural/Dneiper motorcycles have a following in America. The Chinese tech laden bikes?. Take all the shite off them,wouldn't bother me at all. I've four bikes, a himalayan,a pre-unit Bullet,a 1996 GPZ305 and a 1978 GL1000,all bare bones bikes,I love bikes because they're bikes,not earthbound sattelites.

Are they going to stop making Apple phones in China.

The Americans do this (Microsoft, google etc.). Discuss something bizarre in presence of your phone and wait for the emails relating to it.

If Chinese bikes are band, it will devastate many motorcycle businesses. They'd close overnight.

My Harley Davidson app wants to track me every where I ride, no difference.

The ban on DJI drones has stuck in the USA and that's still going ahead. DJI are a large, respected company and top of their game and if they'd do it to them I can believe they'll do the same to anything else they want. Still won't save Harley D though 🐇

I spouted vigorously 2 days ago on the same matter about this very matter on a 'builders channel', he was so impressed with his outbuilding security systems yet everything he said was tied to China security systems, once you install, link your phone that is it, they can track you anywhere!

That's really interesting. I think it will be all vehicles including ebikes and mobility scooters as well as bikes and cars. The tech will be used for pay per mile here in the UK. What's happening in USA is an attempt to prevent unfriendly states accessing the information via their systems but the tech will be used by our government to track and charge movement. Petrol bikes will be taxed off the road along with petrol cars. The world is dividing into continental superstates with separate but similar tech systems. We must enjoy our bikes while we can.

I just heard on the television news that Europe is going to increase the import duties of electric cars from China by 30 or 35 percent simply because they can't compete, I haven't heard anything about motorcycles so far. China is not going to leave it at that and is definitely thinking of taking measures. This has nothing to do with safety measures but everything to do with price competition. By the way, years ago they did the same thing in the US with Japanese motorcycles especially to save Harley Davidson from bankruptcy.

Interesting indeed Ian I’ve heard about these possibilities in the US and as you rightly observe here in the UK we have a nasty habit of doffing our caps to uncle Sam’s every whim. Personally I’m frequently approached to review Chinese electronic products and I turn down as many as I take on. The equipment falls into three categories (TFT Car Play/ Video/GPS systems, Comms devices (helmet communications) and oddly tyre inflators! Just about every other channel is reviewing this kit and it’s no surprise given that the kit itself is supplied free and that affiliate sales links generate typically an 8% commission for the RU-vid channel. The irony is that the Chinese made kit and the motorbikes themselves are good but are on aggregate half the price or less of the “mainstream” competition. As far as CF Moto is concerned they are in an established collaboration with KTM and BMW with Voge for engine manufacture thus a clear link with European bike manufacturers. I do think it entirely possible that the US moves on tariffs are largely economically driven yet presented as a security risk issue the better to suppress objection. If so it amounts to a denial of value for money opportunities to people on lower incomes in the interests of a protectionist approach to “established” interests

End result is they screw you - the consumer. As you said, this is to protect their own industries as they cannot compete on either price and quality. Disgraceful conduct.

I think it is a three prong issue with Chinese goods. Firstly the Americans and the West in general have long had tech fears regarding the possible invasive nature of Chinese tech products and computers. Chinese computer firms have been banned for some time in certain industries and the Americans fear what could be possible in the future through existing Chinese computer technology. Then there's the trade issue, which gives the Chinese a perceived unfair advantage with pricing due to their far cheaper materials and labour costs. Finally there's the political and ethics issues, which rather speak for themselves. Personally I wouldn't buy a Chinese bike because they are generally too tech driven to appeal to me and with so many new products turning over and companies springing up in China, I doubt very much the longer term security in parts supply for individual models. Royal Enfield keep their products simple and straight forward. They also have a very long term history of ongoing parts supply for models going back decades. I trust them far more than any 'fly by night' Chinese firm.

Definitely just a trade war thing, they did a similar thing with Japanese bikes and cars back in the day.

A trade war could be a possibility, but , these places and tech items are a serious E-War security concern. As far as domestic US motorbike companies go, I would expect a crackdown in the future on where vehicle components are built and if they will be even allowed into the country.

Thanks for the heads up mate ,old jimmy Australia I got the 452 R, Enfeild

The only thing on the bike my phone connects while riding is the headset via bluetooth, and that tends to be in case of emergency one day. For anything and everything else (camera, drone etc) I've always used my previous phone I've upgraded from simply to have the thing handy in the drone bag with all the other bits. And that holds no useful information to anyone because I'll have done a full reset when I stopped using it and also due to me being a deeply uninteresting person. When I ride it's for the enjoyment of the ride not to do admin fielding calls or online banking when I stop for a brew. Has the U.S Senate thought about Harley Davidson, they are now Chinese manufactured bikes.

I think it's a trade war.. And a bit more simple than being discussed. The American car market has been in decline for years. If you look at the new electric car market it's fallen on its arse. No one wants one especially in America where fuel is cheap. And us British can't afford to buy one, are unsure about future electric cost to charge and the range is rubbish. BUT the Chinese cars are taking over. MG a Chinese car company is probably doing better than FORD VAUXHALL in EV sales, why... because they are cheaper and just as good as others. It's just the Americans waving there muscles about.

Hi Ian its food for thought plus very interesting tbh , ride safe mate

Very interesting indeed Ian! I think it's mainly the security/military threat. The fact that Russia is included is the big giveaway. If it was just trade the US wouldn't bother including Russia in this.

Hi Ian, its got to about trade remember Regan putting high tariffs on Japanese m/cycles to protect the American m/cycle industry. If they were really concerned about Chinese tech they would have to do the same with phones laptops anything smart all that kind of stuff is either made in China or has Chinese components in them.

Fascinating story Ian, only thing I can't understand is what the point would be? Pretty much every computer and smartphone on the planet these days seems to be made in China anyway! So if there are any security issues, surely they already exist? I fail to see how electronics on vehicles can make things any worse? (Interceptor is looking good!)

Read into it what you think but there is no smoke without fire, our security services know a lot more than we think.

It's trade and security buddy, for the trade they would have to open factories in Europe to get round the tariffs and for security they would have to sell part of their so called company to a euro company etc, But just get a bike with basics like an enfield or BSA or even a cheap basic bike that jsu does what it says on the tin!

Interesting info and ive read it elsewhere as well. If the market in the USA is big enough for the chinese manufacturers then they can alter what electronic systems are provided on the bikes to work around these bans. Hypothetically that is and if its worth the cost. Personally id be happy with none of these extra electronic systems.

Ive never had a TFT on a bike, never will either, cant beat clocks, and rider modes are for people that cant think.

TFT screen just on itself does not need connectivity with a phone or anything .. They just add it because heaving a tft makes it easy to do so but there are bikes with TFT without any sort of connectivity or gps capabilities. If we talking about preference I prefer simple LCD screen.. I get used to my speed in LCD screen numbers on my old Kymco scooter and analog clocks are not as nice for me but this is just my preference. A trade war this may be, but for the motorcycles part if it .. They don't have their own small bikes to be fended off. CF moto and Kove can replace the TFTs with simple LCDs and there you go, no gps, no connectively needed.

Great news I actually managed to join the channel, its not a lot but hope it buys a coffee, Don

as most systems are made in china this will work well ,the US are protecting their workforces

Russian Ural motorcycles are sold in the U.S.. But they're junk. I made the mistake of buying a brand new 2005 Ural Patrol, it was the worst motorcycle I ever owned in my life, and I have owned a lot of motorcycles in my lifetime. I kept the Ural about 6 months and traded it in. I'll never own another one.

The ignorance of some peoples knowledge about what is imported from Russia to the US.

Will they ban trackers too for the same reasons, if they originate from less friendly countries?

Ural maybe? I know they moved production in the wake of the Ukraine invasion so maybe not?

And you really need to be more concerned about what your own government is doing with regards to taking liberties with your privacy, safety and security.

Did the U.S not ban Huawei 5G networks for security concerns and the UK government has stated Huawei must be removed from its own networks by 2027 over security concerns.

I've been to many carnivals as a child and beyond . I have never maid the jump when considering G.O.P. politics , other than resentments . Or I've grown up now . . . T/C/E

Had a CF MOTO for a year now . never had any interest in linking my phone to it . Not a tech geek .

Every app takes your data.

Interesting vlog I’m in Florida and CF Moto are not flying off the shelves here- quite the opposite they have been discounting them to make way for the next models - in fact they have super discounted The 2022 models they they still have in stock For example the 650 CFMoto is reduced now to $3499 that is US Dollars for a fully loaded bike - also I’m not hearing to much here about banning vehicles but then who knows what’s going on with the powers that be Good vlog with food for thought Regards from Florida 🦩🦩

I hate cell phones and tft's anyway. I've got a 23 year old bike that I don't ride anyway. So I don't care anyway! Cheers mates John in St Louis Missouri !

Great topic Ian! Its hard to decipher which side of the road to stand on anymore 🤷‍♂️. The most interesting is the comments by channel supporters. Better off riding then watching or listening to a bunch of crap we couldn't control if we want to. Pulled this up earlier: Worldwide sales figures for 2023 Harley. 162,771 Enfield. 920,000 Honda. 18,700,000 Yamaha. 4,830,000 Kawasaki. 440,000 Triumph. 100,000 Ducati. 58,224 BMW. 209,257 Suzuki. 1,091,000 Husqvarna. 67,000 KTM. 280,206 CF Moto. 150,000 Aprilla. 65,464 Indian. 385,432 Janus. ? Food for thought Numbers are from Google

My gut feeling is that this is chiefly a Protectionist measure to stifle competition?

Have you modified the exhaust on your interceptor?? If yes, please do tell. As for Chinese bikes, I believe to is for both reasons you mentioned. Trade war AND security issues. It's the same with cheap Chinese electric vehicles. Not so much the onboard spy but the possibility of just switching off your vehicle, making it immobile.

Typical U.S who do what they want and stuff the rest of the world!

All countries companies collect information through your phone etc. The same could be said for any country. Defiantly in my humble opinion trade. America is actually the worse for economic trade sanctions.

interesting

So what’s Harley Davidson and Bmw etc going to do then! lol you’re Apple phone where’s it made??? What absolutely Tosh you’re talking about? On this one