Is THIS my new ADV bike? Tenere World Raid Test Ride 

Can’t argue with that! Cheers mate!

Try replacing spark plugs.

Or doing a valve check

They’re faffy on any bike! Except maybe a GS.

I had mine adjusted last year, but that had nothing to do with it. @@Mo7oAdv

They’re strangely alluring, aren’t they! Bet it’s a pain in the arse when it comes to fuelling though!! 😂

It’s an undeniably great bike. Before you pull the trigger, I’d give the Aprilia Tuareg 660 a look. I did and now it’s the best bike I’ve ever owned!

Hahaha! I've already been shaking my head at myself while editing these test rides! I think the sickness is getting worse, not better!!

No denying that Jimmy! I considered one too, for a while. The weight saving of the Aprilia (that i eventually bought) was important enough to me for that to justify going for the ‚other‘ Italians!

There are nothing but strong arguments for it! The only reason to need a 160hp adventure bike is so that you can say you’ve got 160hp. Except you only have 160hp at 9000rpm. At 4000 - 5000 it’s actually only pushing out 60-80hp. Which is where you actually feel the push. Once you’re in the high revs, you’re already doing intergalactic speeds and can’t feel your face enough to notice!! 😂

That bike seems to sell itself! Keeping the license for longer is definitely always a wise choice! 😅

Much better! Sadly test rides aren’t as ready for me as the uk vloggers. I honestly don’t think I’ll be doing any more for a while. I’ve tried multiple times to get on KTMs here in Hamburg and the dealerships just don’t seem to be interested. Cheers Simon! The chosen one should be arriving soon!

Glad to hear it! Every cloud and all that!

You deserve it, you’ve been a very good boy.

@@AndyManCam 😂😂😂 Hilarious

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No doubt! But is it the awesomest!?

Haha! So no personal reasons for it! *reaches for popcorn…

They do look very cool!

Thanks Dave! It’s a great bike, would be a lot of fun!

I dropped from Tracer900GT to my T7 Rally Ed. No regrets, its a lovely thing. Get a test ride :)

I think those who ‚need‘ the power, are often relying more on the engine to be fast than their prowess over that engine. I like to ride the bike, not have the bike ride me! I’m honestly looking forward to this smaller displacement phase in my biking journey!

Very nice. Although for me it’s not so much the road vibration but more the pressure from the narrowness of the saddle.

Possibly. In an ideal world, I’d get the keys to both in the shadow of an Alpine pass with a gravel section! Sadly test rides in my neck of the woods never really give the full picture.

@@AndyManCam very hard to get test rides here in Ireland as most of the main dealers are in Dublin. There are a few outside the pale but even then a good day on the bike to see

That certainly doesn’t make things easy!

But why are some bikes absolutely fine, and others terrible?! I mean this is a frugal bike. Emissions can’t be that bad. Yet it’s way snatchier than the current MT10 which is a fuel guzzler. I suspect laziness on the manufacturers behalf is more to blame.

Congrats on the switch-up! 👍🏻

I can understand that completely. You can watch my jump from heavyweight to middleweight and see if it works out!

Good tip! I’ve heard that the Coolcovers really help too!

@@AndyManCam Also checkout the Moto Skiveez padded bike underpants! :)

Yeah i was really impressed (again) with the engine. Great job from Yamaha. Baffling that they can’t sort out the throttle response from the factory though.

Exactly the kind of opinion i was looking for, thanks Greg. Great to hear from a real life person (not one of those flouncy RU-vidr types) about the comparison of both, from an owners perspective. When comparing, I’m struggling not to look more at the Tuareg for all of the reasons you mentioned.

Interesting. I found the Desert X to be really sharp so it can’t be the 21“ wheel’s fault. Must be a weight distribution issue, which the extra weight over the tank from the WR possibly helps with? Interesting indeed.

These are the comments that make the T7 undeniably attractive! So much to think about when choosing nowadays!

200miles, I've ran mine dry in 170, I don't risk going over 150 now, it's a heavy bike to push.

Similar here. 13,5k € puts it way over my budget. Few available used, but not a great deal cheaper. The seat does also concern me, though i guess it could be improved. It’s just more money into a bike that’s already more than i can afford!

😂

Congrats! Glad you’re loving it. I’m just deeply afraid of the terrible service if and when something goes wrong (which hopefully it won’t). Maybe that’s a northern Germany thing! 😅 Ultimately all the 890R‘s worth having were also out of my price range!

She’s definitely a head Turner! I’m black even more so.

Way more positive!! There was still lots to think about though! 🤔

Good to know that works. I’ve come to realise that when I’m on the motorway, i don’t tend to cruise any faster than 80mph. And the roads that I enjoy the most don’t allow much more than 50! So I’m pretty confident the ‚lack‘ of power won’t bother me too much. I hope! 🤞🏻

@@AndyManCam enjoy the new bike Andy. Always great getting to know a new bike :)

Thanks John! I’m sure it’ll be an emotional rollercoaster like always! 😅

The Tracer 9 fuelling was really smooth, so i think those bikes have some trickery that they’ve obviously kept off the Tenere to save weight and cost. 😤

Very glad to hear it CP. i can totally see why!

Absolutely! I bet it would sound tremendous.

That's exactly what i like to hear Mick. Thats precisely what i want. Fun on the backroads, capable on the long roads. I don't need a rocketship!

That’s the secret isn’t it. If the peak is down low, you don’t notice that it’s not there up high and the bike feels more powerful than it is on paper. Though peak power and torque are all pretty much useless numbers anyway. Every engine feels different. I can fully imagine the qualm something nature of an Akra!

I’m afraid not. The cut still stings! I hope you have a good experience, but for the love of dog keep that thing spotlessly clean and dry! 😜

What happened to the cb1000? Did I miss something mr Cam😁

@stevedavies3568 You’ve missed a LOT Steve! Check out this one first: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GQTeceCkEvU.html And then after that, this one from this week: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mX1EiqR5zmI.html

Thank you Matthias. Never thought about that. How do they do that then? Servo motors?! I'm not surprised you were wanting more power. You've only got off and full power settings!

@@AndyManCam TBH, not sure, not looked into the makeup of the MT10 fuel system... Should probably know that stuff! ;) My one "only" has wheel speed sensors though not an IMU, so I guess most of the TC is done with fuel/ignition cuts, but I guess at a servo'd butterflies combined with fuel control might be enough for cruise...? RE: Full power, TBH I barely ever use full, as let's face it, 160bhp on the road is almost never fully deployable... ;) :D I DO like to try hard to, though... ;) :) :D :D

@mattmutane5502 That would also dictate that you probably have a cable actuated throttle-by-wire system. Weird.

@@AndyManCam I know, right! (but Yamaha have been doing this a long time, they seem to know what they are doing! :) )🤷‍♂

Good to know, thanks E.

No fear Shaun, me and the KTM were in Norway together for a week this spring, so those videos are still on the way!!

Agreed!

TBH i would prefer Tubeless. I’ll probably not do more than mid level TET type stuff so tubes possibly not necessary. That said, I’m sure I could get the hang of changing a tube. Can’t be much more difficult than on a mountain bike, right?! 😜 Your prediction wasn’t so crazy. My first thought was to get the R version for better springs and spoked wheels. But the prices are so ridiculous lately that it makes more sense to try something lighter and newer.

@@AndyManCamI have nightmares of being mid mountain pass with a flat and raw knuckles 🤪. After having the 1290 Ktm adventure, Africa twin, and 800gs. I would go for a mid capacity lighter tubless TBH. But whatever floats yr boat ☺ you'll be riding it. No one else. Keep up yr witty fab vids 🏆

@daveburmy You’re preaching to the converted there Dave. I think i would much rather plug a flat than have to pull the tube out.

So we speak the same language! 😂 Glad you’re enjoying it mate!

😂🤣🤮😮‍💨😆 What an image!! Thanks mate!

@@AndyManCam it’s a gift 👀

So kind of you 🙏🏻

I can imagine that’s pretty addictive!

Very much so. I almost bought an MT-07 too for 7k€. Crazy how expensive bikes are getting. Even the ones that have nothing on them, like this one! 😄

But I’m a bit worried about being just another T7 owner. Is the safe path the right path?! It’s good, but is it exciting? Tough questions with not so obvious answers!

@@AndyManCam I think if you mainly plan to do road riding, then the T7 is probably not the right one, it is too focused on off-road. But maybe the Yamaha Tracer would work?

@gryphongryph Definitely planning more off road.

@@gryphongryphTracer 900 GT.

Great looking bike. Didn’t blow my socks off though. Also a bit heavy and expensive for my needs.

I think my mrs is sick of hearing T7 and Tuareg, as I’ve watched pretty much every video out there!! 😂

I’m sorry to say that it is actually exactly the bike for me! 5000km in and it has more than enough grunt for long rides and it handles like a razor in the twisties. All that and with over 60mpg, reduced insurance and road tax AND, when i get round to it, it’ll utterly roost offroad too!! Winning!!

Not long now, i hope!! There’s going to be no summer left of it doesn’t hurry up!!

@@AndyManCam always exciting right. You know, I was thinking about your last video and what the community would like to see. I've been following since the versys days, always loved your content. I would say two things would be great, if you could maybe use an app like Liberty Rider, and register your roadbook and share them so we could all see them and use them :). And I think you have a very nice voice and ease of communication, I could picture you having great success with a podcast. Perhaps, sometimes inviting people from the Patreon and discussing any topics, from motorbikes, to places to see, news etc. I would love listening to that while at work !

@SuperFryn Thanks Charly. I’ve actually started sharing the GPX files of the Norway videos. In the description in case you didn’t see them. But maybe i can look into more of that kind of thing. I’ve also often thought about a podcast, but worry about not having enough to talk about!! 😂

@@AndyManCam invite me, I can talk for hours on end 😁

@SuperFryn Ha! I will definitely keep you at the top of the list! 🥳

Totally agree! I actually would have considered a KLR. But we don’t get them in Europe because of emissions.

It’s an undeniable winner of a package! But do tell me more about the ACF-50 thing. Do they rust quickly/easily?

@@AndyManCam They are a little corrosion/rust prone in my experience but I wouldn’t say it’s anything particularly abnormal for bikes made these days ..sadly. I’ve definitely seen worse on other brands. And in my experience it’s very easy to keep on top of with the occasional ACF50 treatments. The finish on the engine itself is top notch and the frame finish is fairly good too. What I found was a problem area was anything that was anodised black, like the brake-line ends, coolant hose clamps, and bolts found on places like the switch gear, it would very quickly go white and fuzzy looking with surface corrosion. Although I found ACF50 worked well to reverse this effect if it wasn’t let to go too far before treatment. (I’m not sponsored or paid by ACF I SWEAR!) Another area I noticed only after around 6 years of riding in all seasons including the salty British winter, was the subframe and swing arm started to rust a little bit under the paint, although these areas were subject to constant spray from the road. But a small wire-wheel attachment on a dremmel and a pot of touch up paint had things looking like new again in no time. My CP2 bike was a 16 plate XSR700, so the T7 could be a different story, although I currently have a Tracer 900 which suffers the same fate as the XSR sadly, so it may just be a Yamaha thing across the board. I hope this information is helpful, keep up the superb work and good luck with your next steed! 😄

Very helpful, thanks! TBH sounds already like a vast improvement over my experience with the Honda CB1000R! Engine down to the metal after 6 months and casing bubbling after 3! I’d take a bit of frame rust after 6 years any day!! 😂

@@AndyManCam Oh yes, I remember seeing your video on that, very disappointing from Honda. They’ve always been the brand we bikers have gone to for absolute reliability and unbeatable build quality. I believe Honda manufacture a lot of their bikes in Italy which is even more shocking to have such a poor finish. I must admit your experience did shy me away from the CB1000R when I was in the market for a sporty do-everything bike 😅

Thanks mate! That would have actually been a great crack! Maybe next time! (Which hopefully won’t be for a long time! I want to ride bikes, not shop them!!)

Gotta go with what makes you smile!

I don’t think they’re for me. Very expensive for what they are and sadly a bit overweight compared to the current middleweight competition.

I do understand regarding the price and weight but it’s a great bikes! My last one was a 2020 BMW F850GSA and I still regret changing it to the R1250GSA. Good luck finding the right bike for your needs!🏍️👍

Thanks mate! Most important is that you have the bike YOU want! Maybe it’s time to switch back? I’m showing you that it’s ok to downsize, so just blame me!! 😜

What i can say is that there were sadly no deals to be had at that dealership. He wanted 13,500 € with no room for negotiation. When i said that i simply didn’t have that much and maybe i should try a standard T7 (the bike i originally asked to ride!) he just started blathering on about how much better the WR is and that I should take finance for the difference…. At which point i bailed out and went home because he clearly wasn’t listening to me! Whether or not i found a deal elsewhere, remains to be seen!

​@@AndyManCamFor 90% of people standard version is more than enough. I have black 2022 model and it is awesome.

Problem with the Standard T7 you cannot add things like Quick shifter, and you have to spend money on it to upgrade the suspension, etc, But still a great reliable option. @@AndyManCam

All things I’ve had to consider. Although the 2023 model CAN take a quickshifter BTW.

@@AndyManCam Why couldn´t you add a quickshifter? You absolutely can, just no auto-blipper as far as I know, and world raid can´t also, unless they switched from the cable throttle, which I am not aware of. And quickshifter isn´t a big deal anyway. I almost always shift up without using the clutch. Auto-blipper on the other hand is a real game changer.

I think it’s a faff to do valve clearances on every bike! 😅

There like every 25K though and from what I've read there usually in spec, I won't check my T7 till 50K.

My thoughts exactly (re: the T7) Not so keen on the AT though. Firstly i simply don’t have the dosh for it, but if i did want to go up to the 225kg area, i think I’d sooner get a tricked out and ‚AMC lightened‘ KTM 1090 Adventure R. Honda are well and truly off the Christmas card list anyway! I’ll reevaluate in 2075.

@@AndyManCam fair enough, T7 it is then😁👍

Quite possibly.

🤦‍♂️ I know! I have a problem!! Thanks for ignoring it though. I'll seek help!

Good to know, thanks!

I think it would be most peoples pick!

Definitely James! Stunning looking bike. Probably the prettiest adventure bike out there! But seat height is a bit low for me and the power to weight a bit too far in the wrong direction. Maybe when I’ve got the cash for a jack up and weight loss program, I’ll revisit!

😂😂😂 If you go twice the limit, the cameras can’t see you!

They’re an attractive proposition, but the extra weight put me off.

@@AndyManCam Andy, we’re about the same height and weight. I’ve ridden the 800MT a couple of times now as a mate has one and it feels much lighter than the sum of its parts. Even slow speed manoeuvres on uneven surfaces aren’t a problem. I’ve ridden other bikes also in this category that are lighter on paper but feel heavier by comparison. On another note, do you really need a 21 inch front? Not the best if you’re spending more time on sealed roads than off the beaten track so I’d be looking at the 19 inch offerings for better road manners. Still can’t believe you also tested a bike supplied from a dealership with a warped front wheel.

After spending a week on the TET trails in Norway (and loving it, despite most of them being closed!) I realised that however awesome the 1090 was, it could have happily been 30kg lighter so that picking it up would be easier the 5th time around! 😂 So however well a bike hides it’s weight in motion, for me it’s important that when it’s horizontal, that weight doesn’t suddenly make itself known!! I was very lucky to get 5 days on a Desert X in Gran Canaria and the 21“ front really didn’t bother me. I was throwing that thing around like a maniac and it handled it with ease. So i have no worries about the bigger wheel. I just have to make sure the tyres are up to the job (and that the wheel is round! 🤦🏻‍♂️)

@@AndyManCam 😂 I look forward to watching the test rides and your ultimate decision. For me, if I’m going out for off-road riding I trailer bikes as all the road legal ones are simply a compromise, a Jack of all trades. If it’s just street riding it’s 17 inch all the way.

Totally get it mate. I’d love to have 2 bikes and a van. Sadly I’m lucky to be able to even have one bike! 😂

All undeniably attractive arguments. And then there’s also the price. Currently about 1500€ cheaper.

@AndyManCam aha, well then that makes the Aprilia even more attractive. I ride with a mate who has an Aprilia rs 660, same motor, he has 10,000km on it with no problems. The white red and blue bike is actually a handsome beast, very Dakar..ish. Bikes with that much power are so much fun to fang around the twisties. Good luck Andy, look forward to your decision.

@AndyManCam if you had the money, would you get the desert x?

@julianperry5141 I would certainly think hard about it! That would have to be enough cash to make the high servicing costs not hurt too! 🤑🤑🤑

That’s good to hear, about the RS660. Hearing of real people with Problem free bikes certainly aids the decision making!

Head and heart (and money) had a momentous battle, repeatedly changing sides! Really wasn’t an easy choice. 690 is a nice idea, but by the time i get to the trails I’ll not be able to walk anymore! 😂

Well let’s wait and see! 🤭

@@AndyManCam ooohhhhh the suspense!

Just had word of delivery date. Not long. Might even be able to share something next week!

Congratulations! That’s a LOT of horse in your stable! Shame about the BMW service. Most people rave about them in Europe. But then again, the bikes are more expensive than most too!

What can i say, i like to keep things interesting… In a weird and slightly hypocritical way! 😜

All true and perhaps we’ll find out! 😉

Good to know. Cheers for that! 👍🏻

If you have any plans for Croatia, see me in Zagreb and I can take you to a professional who will convert your current seat to a comfy one for 200eu or less. Cheers Andy!@@AndyManCam

@kakudmi Cheers mate! I’ll keep that in mind! 👍🏻

Maybe improved, but not rectified, IMO.

The throttling on the Aprilia was indeed smoother, despite Euro 5. it’s a tough choice but the Aprilia has too much going for it to be ignored.

@@AndyManCam If that is what you feel, then try again to get one that is not wrecked under you. 😉

I've done plenty of motorway miles on my standard T7, never felt the need for a steering damper, feels perfectly stable at all speeds.

I read somewhere that the steering damper was required after the weight shift due to the extra gubbins that the WR has. Whether or not this is true, i can neither confirm or deny!

Maybe it’s time!

@@AndyManCam it’s definitely time, unfortunately I don’t think you’ve gone the way of the tuning fork this time but you’ll be back one day, if only the tenere came with a cp3

A stack of very good points!!

Really enjoy his stuff and the bike certainly isn’t holding him back!

I’d hoped nobody would notice. I think it’s getting worse, not better! 🤦🏻‍♂️

Oha! That is a big change, just for a seat! 😜

Not quite so easily. Sadly anything like that technically makes the bike immediately unroadworthy in the eyes of the law. 🤦🏻‍♂️

It’s a very real concern!

@@AndyManCam The only thing is that you can do that over a period of time rather than up front...

Also very true.

REALLY?! That’s about as big a red flag for cluelessness as you can get!! Walk away! 😂

Unfortunately i live in Germany, where it’s even harder (plus more expensive and technically illegal) to get the ECU flashed. Though I’m fully aware that it’s the magical cure all for most of the problems modern bikes have! Still baffles me that manufacturers can’t or aren’t allowed to get it right from the off 🤦🏻‍♂️

Finally, round wheels! 🤭 The Challenge is ignoring that a used WR can be had for 11,800€. A new T7 standard is 11,400€. A new Tuareg is currently 10,500€. So if we’re taking about what to do with money saved…

@@AndyManCam is mad that the Tuareg is cheaper than the standard T7, it has better suspension, all the electronics including cruise control... and ignoring the buckled wheel, has tubeless tyres too so a tyre plug kit and go instead of wheel off tyre levers out and lots of sweat.

I don’t get it either. They must have been struggling to sell them. Might have something to do with the awful dealer offering here!

Thanks David!

Thanks Dave! Yeah, that… I have a real problem. I’m obsessively cancelling the indicators, even though I didn’t even turn them on. It’s become a real sickness and I’m trying very hard to get over it!! 😩

@@AndyManCam WOW!! Now I've remembered your sickness, and looking again, you GOT IT BAD!!! ;) :D :D (sometimes 3 or 4 presses at a time). It's near constant!!!! I'm surprised you've never worn an indicator switch out!! ;) :p I thought I was bad doing something similar on my Thunderace choke control (to make sure it was fully off), but that was nothing like this! (it did continue for a short while on the MT10, but I soon got used to there being nothing to filddle with - all bikes are always going to have indicators... ;) :( )

Sadly not. Prices were way higher at the time for anything comparable or not thrashed!

I spent a short while looking at available 750 Super Tenere‘s. Fancying a bit of old school continent crossing cool. Turns out they’re really expensive and not necessarily in great condition! All will soon be revealed!

@@AndyManCam you'll pay as much for a 750 as my 1200. Bit mad really 🫣

@BigDave_82 That’s why i have up on it! That and not having a garage for the fixing!

Ha! I should be working on Commission! Happy ‚researching‘

So so so true! And the older I get, the more I think there should be a fourth thing!! 😜

Can’t argue with that. Though I’m still hurting about the FZ1 framegate and the dodgy Rotor cover up! At least it seems like they haven’t done any of those on this bike!

My pleasure! Yeah the ability to stand up for a while is a real winner and i took advantage of that a lot on the KTM. I’m 100% pillion free mate so no worries about space or power to weight!

Yeah it’s a real annoying shame. But onwards and upwards i guess. Thanks for the tip, I’ll keep that in mind!!

Good to know. You don’t hear that often. Real life opinions are the most valuable!

I was with gsa it kept up you had to rev it but what a gem of an engine had a little race with a local down some beautiful back roads and won to my surprise

Very cool! To be honest I’m kind of looking forward to trying to keep up with ‚bigger‘ bikes!

Congrats Steve. Enjoy the new ride!

I suspect you both overestimate how likely you are to need TC in the rain (not very likely) AND how much it might save you (this very much depends on how good/comprehensive it is - many won't save you at all, especially if not completely upright, which is where you barely need it anyway). Try it sometime, actually try and get your Transalp to spin up in the wet whilst moving at a reasonable speed.. :)

@@mattmutane5502 but it’s better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it eh , joking aside when I did need it was on a geasey roundabout and the rear broke traction and then gripped nearly binned it , also if you check out this weeks MCN it won in a highly competitive sector of bike 👍

@SuperSteveed can’t argue with that i suppose!

@@AndyManCam Yep that's a fair argument. I just wouldn't pass over buying a bike because it didn't have TC, that's all! :) (but my MT10 is the only bike I've ever had that is new enough to have TC & ABS anyway... ;) )