People forget how absolutely dominant Virtus Pro was in 2017-2018 with Ramzes,NoOne, 9pasha, Rodjer, Solo. Only because they didn't win TI. They owned everything just like Wings did in TI2016 but for a longer time.
True. That team was insane. TI7 was one of the best TIs. I never forget how virtus pro won BTS tournament and they didnt pick any hero twice in the whole tournament! Was just a next level of insanity. Somehow Liquid 2017 have beaten that legendary VP line up
TI8 LGD was also legendary (xnova, fy, chalice, somnus, ame). This was just the only team who can fight toe-to-toe with arguably the best dota 2 roster of all time, TI8-TI9 OG. If they were just not cocky maybe they would had given China another aegis. TI4 DK and TI3 Orange were also legendary. Ti4 Cloud9 and Ti5 EG are also often forgotten.
No way 2017 Team Liquid was not included here. Wide hero pool. Great players across the board. Gave the first TI Finals sweep. Probably the greatest collection of individual talents that actually worked.
What people cannot understand is that the only time the devs stepped in to actually nerf a TEAM is Alliance. If Alliance didnt exist Dota2 would be something completely different right now. Their playstyle was 100 years ahead of others. They understood the game in a completely different way other people and teams did. And they won every single time. Lvl 1 roshans , split pushing, lane cutting, force staff strats, jungle strats, offlane getting a completely different role in the game. Backdoor protection, glyph, necronomicon out of the game, tower health, tower armour protection is all because of Alliance. THEY CHANGED THE WAY WE THINK OF THE GAME RIGHT NOW!!! Strats that are now taken for granted Alliance invented them.
It's true, but that was a long time ago man. Whatever Alliance did doesn't hold a candle to OG's achievements at least. But yeah, Alliance basically invented ratting. And its far from the only time man. Many teams have broken Dota. In fact it happens almost every year at TI.
The 2018-2019 OG roster is still the GOAT for now. Remember we are talking about roster, not team. Tundra has a different roster now, sadly because of Saksa's health issues. Similar to Spirit without TorontoTokyo. So if we are talking about the cohesion, team work, and consistency of 5 players on the same team, OG is still peak Dota, again, for now.
Wings gaming was doing all hero challenge. The opposition literally have no idea what to ban because those guys pick from a freaking hero ocean of choices goodness
DK 2014 is the perfect example of an absolute ALL-STAR team completely failing to understand the meta. In terms of raw skill in relation to the general skill level of the pro-scene, this likely was the best team of all times. But unfortunately, they lacked innovation and adaptability and thankfully Dota is not purely based on individual skill but also on all these other factors. Had they understand that Tinker and AM are too slow for the fast paced meta of that time, who knows what could've happened. Fully agree, though, best team to never win TI for sure.
@@sosmodarfnnf9480 looking back, you could say they were all-stars but at that point, they certainly weren't. While Notail became the legend and fly has had huge success with him in the first iterations of OG, back in that time they were relatively fresh, albeit talented players. They had some good results as fnatic EU, but never really won a Tier 1 tournament in Dota 2. If you want to add a Team Secret All-Star Roster, I'd go with the one from 2015 that added Zai and RTZ to an already great Squad and proceeded to win four Tier 1 tournaments in a row before "failing" at TI 5.
My Personal Fave teams: 1. OG TI8 & TI9 2. Wings Gaming TI6 3. Alliance TI3 4. Tundra TI11 5. Liquid TI7 These teams were pure dominance and their drafts were crazy..
just forget, this guys its a just a bunch of haters of ts because, that ts squad can surpass any other team winning futures ti, and a lot of this teams or players was destroyed by spirit in some major or ti so they will continue saying fluke champion and this stuff, just a bunch of haters. @@EduardoPerez-jy2dq
I was expecting Alliance at number 1. Newcomers might not know about the heavy Chinese dominance back in the day and how Alliance made it obsolete with their innovations to the game. They broke the entire game apart and showed everyone that this game had so much uncharted territory. Valve after TI3, fearing that Alliance might not even drop a single game after, decided to change the game entirely and heavily nerf Alliance's signature drafts. They were that scary.
Wings Gaming for sure..they just came out of nowhere and blew everyone away with their crazy draft n play style..sadly china esports association ban them from playing after wining TI due to contract breache issues as Wings gaming took most of the player's winings from TI..
OG is the GOAT team. But you cant deny Team Spirit has the potential to dethrone them. Setting aside our biases. Team Spirit is still going strong with minimal changes from their last TI winning team exchanging Torontotokyo for Larl. They have the most chemistry so far out of all teams that is currently playing, and you can also argue that they have the best players on their respective roles. Hell, I can just mention Yatoro in this paragraph and that's the only context you need.
Also to add. It's really scary to play against them when there's a large prize pool. They just have that aura unlike any other team in the History. Dont get me wrong, I was a big fan of OG and I believe they are the best team ever. But you cant deny Team spirits Dominance too since their TI10 Champion winning Debut.
@@ONEEsportsI'm a fan of team spirit as well but they can't take on ti9 OG, they even almost lose the ti10 lowerbracket run to OG with sumail as their carry and pos 4 saksa if it weren't for that OP horn toss on Magnus
But they couldn’t do it with Torontotokyo again in the following year. OG did it again with the same roster in a different patch/meta and even came back more dominant in that TI. That’s why that OG team will always be better than Team Spirit.
Glad this video has sense. OG did what no team ever did before. The best teams win. In dota, TI is all that matters. Creative and fun. Also not enough credit to Ceb and Notail as players, winning trophies in different roles at the highest level.
it's going to be a debate between TI6 wings and TI8/9 OG for sure. without TI winner on the resume, I'm not sure how exactly secret got on the list. I don't think this is fair for other TI winners. TI7 Liquid, TI10 Team Spirit and TI11 Tundra are all better teams
I think their consistency over the years under a single captain makes a good argument for them being there, but I agree, this list lacks some teams. It looks like Spirit might have a repeat this year, which would definitely change the equation as well
If I'm not mistaken, I believe I saw a snippet of an interview or video before of n0tail saying that if there's one team that could beat OG, it's Wings.
I'm interacting with this video almost too much already, but I think that's part of the strategy of this list. Have some questionable picks and some obvious omissions to drive up comments.
Wings is phenomenal but they were not better all time than alliance or psg.lgd Alliance is invincible in 2013 until valve nerf all their strat. Alliance change the game unlike any other team
Since Team Spirit won their 2nd ti and 4 of their 5 members won the 2nd time, the OG fans reasoning for them being the GOAT team and Ceb or Notail being the goat is now put to the dumpster "since 2 time ti champs will never happen again" crap Navi was the best consistent team for 3 years straight Alliance has the best single year among all teams it ain't just about the 1 tournament, but how many you won across the board
You can't denie that winning TI is the biggest achievement in your career as dota 2 player, imagine yourself winning it 2 times. Shout out to Bigdaddyn0tail, Ceb, Ana, Jerax and Topson. They're one of the best dota 2 player ever live.
“the best team”I would give to ti8-ti9 OG, their chemistry is in another level. "The Strongest team in TI" i have to mention TI2 ig, they have both strategies in draft and decisions and player's mechanic.
There is no such MoBA Team that has yet to win Back-To-Back World Championship with the same exact registered Full 5-Roster,... Except for OG OG Champions showed us that "Curses" and "Flukes" aren't real
OG’s TI achievements are undeniable but if we talk about pure strength and dominance at a certain period of time then they are not even close. VP, Secret, Team Spirit and LGD gives off that aura.
@@thaypichoudom8241 one theory i think because they won the majors. They have more games so other teams can analyze their playstyle more. So literally it can be a ti disadvantage if you won multiple majors because you can be cracked. I wont deny that ti has a different atmosphere, but i think winning majors is a factor too. Just look at vp. When enemy team smokes solo would literally go and tank the smoke. Their deep wards also revolutionized the game. This was adapted/countered by other teams
@@briomaestoso5833 why are you lol at VP? They were once an epitome of dominance at a period of time. It feels like utter hopelessness before even facing them that was how scary they were
Even Ti5 team secret was dominating, TI6 og was dominating, ti7 vp was dominating, ti8 was secret again and EG, same with TI9, ti10 was lgd curse is favourties will never win
OG is the GOAT , especially how dominant the were during the second win run and i think it helped make dota more famous after that because it was on a steady decline which we have started to see again in recent years of dota 2
Checklist: Some ppl "salty" because of Buyback. ✔ "Salty" says it's a fluke. ✔ Didn't even get revenge(ti9 upper bracket) ✔ Defeated by Ember twice(ti8 & ti10) ✔ Buthurt ✔ TI8/TI9 OG still the best..
5. navi 4. liquid 3. lgd 2. secret 1.og honorable mentions: wings, spirit, tundra... so fucking doimate but for short period of time. Spirit might prove me Im wrong about them
It's OG the GOAT team, Imagine Facing LGD best days with AME and Liquid with miracle. also OG one of the best team when it comes supporting DOTA 2 scene and finding new players.
There aint even a debate on OGs case, best team all time with 2 Aegis to back it up going back to back with the same players in 2 TIs in a row, that itself is hard to do. They literally showed us they can both play fast and late lol also probably the most unstoppable team when they hit their timing, haven't drop a single series the whole TI9. Great chemistry overall hands down.
@@betsan5832 idk but ti8 lgd only lost to og. Only to og. They defeated ti8 vp (yep the best vp roster), defending champions liquid (with matumbaman and miracle), and eg (which got 3rd place in that ti). Fy and somnus were in top form. xnova being one of the best warding support ive seen, rising star ame, and stable chalice. Fy's shaker only lost 1 game in the entire tournament and that was in the grand finals. Props also to og for being undefeatable during that ti and the next. Lgd deserved that aegis. But winning ti is earned not deserved.
@@hanzwendellcorpus9385 but ti10 lgd is undefeated, tho we all know what happened, they just lost 1 series in ti10 and it;s in the effin finals. they dominated other lans as well pre ti10. well that's why we have our own best dota2 team who doesnt won a ti category in this comment right hehe. but yeah, ti8 lgd is up there, it;s just that, i think the ti10 lgd is ahead by maybe a tiny bit.
@@betsan5832 personally i think ti8 was harder than now. There are a lot of good teams now but i find it odd that valve gave more slots to SA. Not that it is bad, but weu and cn deserved more slots at least. And also for me, beating miracle-matumbaman liquid and best roster vp is harder than todays liquid, tundra, and team spirit. But different meta and different players so idk ahhaha. If they destroy team spirit and liquid in dominating fashion maybe ill change my mind.
Why no LGD? :( They literally gave your number 1 team one of the biggest, if not the biggest, struggle in their gaming career. Outside TI, they consistently dominate Tier one tournaments. And you guys think old Alliance are better than them because of their cheese strats. Idk man.
My list of Top 5 would be:- 1st Place: OG (Cause back to back 2 times TI Champs) 2nd Place: Tie between TI7 Team Liquid and TI 10 Team Spirit (Cinderalla run for both teams) 3rd Place: Tie between TI5 EG and TI6 Wings Gaming 4th Place: Tie between TI3 Alliance TI1Na'vi 5th Place: Tie between TI4 Team DK and TI7 LGD Gaming
@@salomooktaviando3051 TI4 had some good teams but the death roll meta that was shown my Newbee and VG was super boring. Team DK coming into the tournament had a team of superstars and was hyped to win the tournament.
I think the reason why GG was special mentioned because it’s the same roster who won many majors in the same dpc season unlike spirit it’s not the same roster anymore.
Best team imo was Wings, PSG.LGD, non TI Secret. New OG only good in single dedicated tournament imo. Even OG with Miracle was better than the Topson's
'Only' 😅, 1st of all everyone would exchange everything for that 2 Aegis. 2nd of all, you forgot that OG was literally stomping majors after majors prior to their TI wins 😅 so what's the case for the teams you mention for being the GOAT again? lol
@@belikearu yeah everyone knows Aegis is the top point of Dota 2 and all best team compete on that. Just saying that they aren't as dominant as other teams i mentioned. Also they won TI by "abusing" OP strat just like how TS won with Magnus. Also OG with Miracle, Fly, etc was top favorite but lost to TNC if im not wrong while new OG never counted as a favorite say it all Take it as you like but thats just my opinion
@@slowtyper95"OG w/ Miracle was Better" LMAO During TI8,... The Top Teams that were present were TITANS! Not a single Team back then was Weak Secret w/ Ace as his original Role: Position 1 EG w/ Fly leading RTZ and SumaiL,...Also s4 was in the Team aswell Liquid the defending Champion, 4 of them were Top 5 Rank Players back then LGD who literally won 2 Majors before TI8 VP with THE famous 5 consistent Players Ramzes, Noone, Pasha, Rodjer and Solo Mineski with old Legends like iceiceice and Mushi in the Team Fnatic Abed was currently the Top Rank Player in the world at that time and was teamed up with Universe TNC were at their peaked back then, they were consistently THE best SEA Team during that time And to think OG singlehandedly won every Stages on that Tournament,... Groupstage, Play-Offs, Semi-Finals & Grandfinals And then People were shitting of them because they thought OG fluked TI8,... Well OG proved it on the next TI by memeing the entire Team they toe-to-toe
I dont agree with number 4. LGD roster same year as the OG first trophy deserves more as well as 2016 Liquid. That alliance roster was not that good. Sadly Gaimin are bunch of TI chokers
I dont think u know how good alliance was then. They literally invented rat dota and revolutionized the roles. Their real carry was bulldog (offlane), their real offlane or playmaker was s4 (mid), and loda was the mixture of both. They only lost 2 games in the entire tournament and that was against navi i think in the grand finals.
@@hanzwendellcorpus9385 as far as i know, i think bulldog nerfed the buyback, back then buyback doesnt have cooldowns. also, coz of rat dota that;s why they put backdoor protection.
