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Is this the Best Prophet 5 Plugin Ever? 

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A look at Softube's Model 80, a software recreation of the might Prophet 5 by Sequential Circuits.
NOTE: Due to some issues with panning of the sound I've re-uploaded this video in mono.
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@hardoff
@hardoff Год назад
I'm normally tone deaf to these sort of comparisons, but for every single sound you played side by side, the Softube was way more analogue sounding. It has much more presence, a bit of grit, more rounded silky sound in the mid range. I'm really impressed.
@bonchbonch
@bonchbonch Год назад
You can quantize the filter in Repro using the mod matrix. Sonically, I've been able to match the sound of Model 80 patches using Repro's alternate filter modes. I'm having fun combining the Model 80 modules with other vintage synths in Modular to make an alternate reality Diva. If Modular support and Pro-One emulation aren't considerations, then I think workflow and effects are the primary differentiators between the two.
@craigsurette3438
@craigsurette3438 24 дня назад
I entirely understand what you mean about " i used to lust after vintage synths, now with plug ins this good, i just enjoy working in the box so much " I vastly prefer everything about working in the box, except for the basic tone of my synths/ effects especially with the fullness/richness/ saturation real analog and good hardware digital bring that older emulations were missing. These newer soft synths, make that search for proper tone functionally a non issue. One can barely tell the difference if at all, and the ease and convenience of never having to mess about with routing or cable management, and having unlimited instances of whatever synth or effect i need to achieve my results all available saved and loaded with the push of a button vastly out weigh any benefits i would get with a more tactile approach
@the_conflationist
@the_conflationist 11 месяцев назад
Thank you very much for doing those patch comparisons!
@Pro-gressive
@Pro-gressive Год назад
I think the Model 80 sounds more like analog oscillators to me, like more raw power. When you demo the resonance on the filter it’s like the filter is struggling to constrain almost wild oscillators. Feels more raw to me, very nice. Reading your list of features at the end put me off though, I’m not sure I need a second aging knob. 😂
@GyuBeats
@GyuBeats Год назад
LOL!
@sub-jec-tiv
@sub-jec-tiv Год назад
Agree, this one is unbelievable. Very close, but Softube wins imho
@damo5791
@damo5791 Год назад
Love the track you're playing at the end. Track breakdown video in the future maybe?
@jimbotron70
@jimbotron70 Год назад
Yes, it would deserve being developed into a full track.
@GyuBeats
@GyuBeats Год назад
Thanks, yes I'm planning on finishing it :)
@drewnorth3816
@drewnorth3816 Год назад
I think the Softube synths are great. I just wish they’d get back on the NKS support train. I’m not aware of any of their new synths, anything newer than modular, being nks compatible. U-he stuff is, and that makes it a bit more useful to me. I have both repro and model 80 now, and the nks support will keep me reaching for repro
@milkyway8353
@milkyway8353 Год назад
Yup, sound is good now ;)
@X-101
@X-101 Год назад
I've seen multiple Softube plugins being compared to actual hardware and for me they are the best
@BrofUJu
@BrofUJu Год назад
There's something with the low end and saturation. I love the Model 84
@sub-jec-tiv
@sub-jec-tiv Год назад
Agree
@eddievanheinous666
@eddievanheinous666 Год назад
The Model 80 sounds really good, and they seem to have figured out how to get a bit more analog-y juice in there, but in a mix of an actual song you would barely hear it if at all. Probably a great buy if you don't have Repro, but redundant otherwise.
@chakko007
@chakko007 Год назад
I don't really consider that an argument. The fun is in tweaking a synth, and having a big sweet spot, not that a listener won't hear the extra detail, or better sound in the mix. Also, a good sounding synth wil make fitting it in the mix or in a track much easier, because you don't have to work hard to make it sound good.
@eddievanheinous666
@eddievanheinous666 Год назад
Agreed. I have an OB-6 and that thing.... the init patch sounds good 😆
@AceGarpTruckingCo
@AceGarpTruckingCo Год назад
Probably not, but the Prophet lover in me will be inspired to take an idea forward in the first place.
@wallisliss
@wallisliss 11 месяцев назад
So having played a real Prophet, at the time they were 'it'. Then came the digitals in the eighties on and I left the Prophet for DX, M1 and on and on. You see, we are talking about your TASTE in sound. Frankly I would take a Moog Voyager over a Prophet. I would take a Waldorf over a PPG, because that's what MY ears prefer. I like the color green and you like red. Good for us both.
@LofiMagick69
@LofiMagick69 5 месяцев назад
And the colors are complementary 😊
@sub-jec-tiv
@sub-jec-tiv Год назад
I use Softube Modular.. so having the ability to use the Prophet 5 filter in Modular is major. And you don’t get that in Repro. My first task is going to be modifying my external stereo FX filter (i have a Moog and a Juno version). Prophet stereo filtering with LFO, here we come.
@anthonyman8008
@anthonyman8008 9 месяцев назад
I’m looking for a modular plugin. Do you think that soft tubes is the best?
@WildAnalog
@WildAnalog 8 месяцев назад
​@@anthonyman8008Hands down the best. Softube modular is magic. I own every major software synth; Modular is the most alive, analog, and weighty.
@jno8039
@jno8039 Год назад
I hope Softube will upgrade to 10 voices like the Prophet 10. Please.
@YoungNino2017
@YoungNino2017 Год назад
I have a SH-101, and the Tal Bassline not only sounds ALMOST as good ( it doesn't have quite as much punch and bite) BUT, the VST does make richer low notes if you truly are trying to get rich deep bass.
@GyuBeats
@GyuBeats Год назад
Yeah we're spoiled for choice now!
@SaturnVoyager11
@SaturnVoyager11 Год назад
sorry but the differences are not tiny. The Softube emulation sounds better in several aspects, specially the low end, although I personally didn´t like it, probably it´s not for me, but for example the minimoog emulation or the Model 84 are superb, my favorites
@GyuBeats
@GyuBeats Год назад
Fair play - Yes I'm in love with Model 84!
@craigsavage6357
@craigsavage6357 Год назад
How do these stand up against the arturia version?? 😮
@johnbach2380
@johnbach2380 Год назад
Softube just knows how to make shit feel so real.
@GyuBeats
@GyuBeats Год назад
Yes!
@Janomix
@Janomix Год назад
Softube hands down! So close, so warm, so bold. U-he are an arrogant guy that only make "digital emulations"... Thanks for the video.
@SilentEarthling
@SilentEarthling Год назад
You’re right, the Softube is in no way a digital emulation. It is a real analog synthesizer that you can jam into your hard drive. That is how things work.
@Janomix
@Janomix Год назад
@@SilentEarthling You can read between quotation marks?? Good luck...
@IzopticMusic
@IzopticMusic Год назад
@@Janomix I'll prefer arrogant to ignorant any day.
@titledworld8393
@titledworld8393 2 месяца назад
@@Janomix lmao
@kostyakonstantinoff
@kostyakonstantinoff Год назад
With built-in effects, 2 synth versions from U-he, and their years of experience and expertise, Repro is still unbeatable.
@GyuBeats
@GyuBeats Год назад
Yeah I can't really argue with that. I do love U-He and Zebra 2 was the first plugin I ever bought (years ago!) but in general I find Softube's synths amazingly inspiring.
@rs2klee
@rs2klee Год назад
I sold all my hardware, and now all on vst`s as like you over time they sounded better as time went on, and oh my god.. the amount of space i have now !
@DG-ss1gc
@DG-ss1gc 11 месяцев назад
What is meant by “classic prophet V “ Do you mean earlier revisions ? They sound so different .
@jmoffitt36
@jmoffitt36 11 месяцев назад
Both sound great but model 80 does sound slightly more analog. Doubt you would notice in a mix. I got a Behringer pro 800 and been blown away with it. With that said you seem very comfortable with your workflow and I see no reason to change it.
@adamjacksonmedia
@adamjacksonmedia 11 месяцев назад
I’ve been considering the Pro 800 for months now. Is it good? Does it get that aggressive middle range for those big pads, like Prophet?
@GeoffModulate
@GeoffModulate 7 месяцев назад
I've got Repro so I'm not sure I'll buy the Softube version as I think there is so little in it. But I did buy the model 84 and I think it's definitely got something over the Cherry DCO106. It's just that extra 4-5% of 'something'. Magic? Analogishness?? (Is that even a word? It should be...lets make it a word).
@robertocaba5915
@robertocaba5915 Год назад
The discontinued NI Pro53 was great too
@LocaliLLocano
@LocaliLLocano Год назад
I have a prophet 10 v4. When I’m too lazy to turn it on I use the arturia prophet to play some ideas out.
@whoadog8725
@whoadog8725 Год назад
Repro and the Arturia version are both great. More than adequate for everyone but collectors or people who want to gig on hardware.
@SourJovis
@SourJovis Год назад
Same here. I have a Prophet 5 rev 4. Using software is a lot easier. You can instantly hear how it will sound in the mix with effects and all, so you won't waste time recording your hardware with a take you won't use, because the settings weren't quite right. Also I'm not yet able to send midi notes and CC automation to my Prophet hardware. You know if that possible? In any case I use the software as a CG stunt double for the parts where I can't get the playing quite right.
@gdansk12349
@gdansk12349 Год назад
I tried it and it’s great but I think Repro did a more accurate 1:1 emulation. I compared to my Prophet and Starsky’s comparison to his Prophet is also amazing. Nice stuff with the modula in the end though.
@zyxyuv1650
@zyxyuv1650 Год назад
People are automatically saying Repro is more accurate but I haven't seen a definitive example where Repro sounds much better, I've only heard them trading blows. Someone will have to post a video with proof the U-He is better.
@GyuBeats
@GyuBeats Год назад
Yeah I agree
@lorenmorgan1931
@lorenmorgan1931 Год назад
It is fantastic, especially in HQ (AA 4x i think) mode, and sadly no one uses this when they are demoing it or comparing it. It uses a lot more CPU but the Repro comes alive and has the dynamic range, and depth of the real one. Softube though seems to have knocked it out of the park with this one. I saw they were releasing softsynths, but never even thought to check them out, which is a shame because I mixed an EP with their plugins (and built in Reaper JS) plugins about 10 years ago and even then it came out sounding pretty amazing.
@lorenmorgan1931
@lorenmorgan1931 Год назад
Also just want to say, in his demos here I think he has HQ engaged (at the start at least), although when you switch patches in Repro it will only use the mode it was preset to use. In the demos, you can hear a depth to the Softube that Repro simply cannot do. I use a 2:1 upward expansion on Repro to make it more tangible, but Im not so sure this one really needs that. So I think the people that are saying Repro, are just trying to justify something they purchased several years back.
@sub-jec-tiv
@sub-jec-tiv Год назад
It’s because people don’t have good enough ears to have a real opinion, so they just fall back on what all the ‘cool people’ told them .. that Repro is perfect and the best thing ever. Tbh Softube’s recent synths are freaking incredible. I’m a mix engineer of 35 years and owned a Prophet most of that time, trust me Softube is just killing it with this (and their Juno).
@user-zd4qy5zl7i
@user-zd4qy5zl7i Год назад
@@sub-jec-tiv agree. I have both and i also have a real prophet6. model 80 is better than repro
@antonystannard3333
@antonystannard3333 5 месяцев назад
Bought 80 yesterday. Uses 16% cpu on my Mac Studio before I play a note 😱
@baptistec.4546
@baptistec.4546 4 месяца назад
Common behaviour with most Softube plugins, unfortunately.. this made me stop using Softube for this reason with lots of regrets tbh
@MrJpbmusic2005
@MrJpbmusic2005 10 месяцев назад
Softube dont give you "Bells n Whistles " they give you what you get on the hardware no fx!!! Thay nailed the 106 (Model 84)
@GyuBeats
@GyuBeats 10 месяцев назад
Yep! Yeah the Model 84 sets the standard for analogue vibe in a plugin for me (and their others tbh)
@CC-fi3pp
@CC-fi3pp 8 месяцев назад
GFORCE and Softube are S tier for analog emulation.
@kristianborisov5928
@kristianborisov5928 Год назад
Thank you for the review! I maybe missed it though: what is the final verdict, does it sound better than Repro in the part they overlap? Also interesting thoughts on Deepmind - I have similar impressions that Diva and Repro can sound better than it with some patch types, also Steinberg Padshop too can sound creamier, but I still like Deepmind's sound, and as I have two Deepminds with a lot of third-party libraries bought, wondering whether it's worth keeping them or focus on soft synths entirely, as I am also limited in space. Have you tried different 3d-party libraries like the ones from Analog Audio, Ultimate Patches, GEOSynths - they all have extremely good programming and show the Deepmind in a different light?
@GyuBeats
@GyuBeats Год назад
You're welcome! Tbh it's really had to say, I do think the Model 80 sounds a little better in certain ways, for example the how the resonance sounds. But it's very close and RePro is awesome. About the Deepmind, I didn't mean to knock it, I think it's a great synth. I just had a preconceived notion about how analogue was supposed to sound and it didn't sound quite like that. I didn't have those patch banks but I'm sure they sound great! Personally, I'm really happy working mainly in the box at the moment and that's mainly because of how much I love the sound of Softube's synths (and Modular)
@DavGreg
@DavGreg 4 месяца назад
And how about the Arturia Prophet?
@IngeBall
@IngeBall Год назад
Great! What's the song in the beginning? I recognize it.
@BrianKukowski
@BrianKukowski Год назад
Everything in its’ Right Place - Radiohead
@GyuBeats
@GyuBeats Год назад
Yep :)
@IngeBall
@IngeBall Год назад
How the fudge could I forget that? One of the greatest intros ever! I'll blame Mitsubishi 😉
@maxterwel
@maxterwel Год назад
The softube sounds closer to the real thing but it has that thinness other softube synth have in the midrange.
@FlowJunkie65
@FlowJunkie65 6 месяцев назад
Have you had the opportunity to try out the newest Arturia Prophet V and if so, how does it compare to these 2 software offerings?
@user-zd4qy5zl7i
@user-zd4qy5zl7i 5 месяцев назад
I don't really like arturia prophet v
@FlowJunkie65
@FlowJunkie65 5 месяцев назад
@@user-zd4qy5zl7iWhy is that? You don't think its sounds are similar to a real Prophet, or you don't like the user interface, or something else?
@user-zd4qy5zl7i
@user-zd4qy5zl7i 5 месяцев назад
@@FlowJunkie65 I'm not good at English, but I'll write down a few letters.🥹 i have real prophet6 hardware and i also have prophet emulated vst synths(repro5, model80, prophet v), and I tested all inst’s basic oscillator and filter (with hd800s and rme adi 2 pro), the hardware definitely had a high resolution and 3d sound and musical sound. On the other hand repro and model80 were similar to hardware, their sound is good but they didnt sound as deep and rich as hardware. Prophet v sounds uninspiring for me and i think it has a plastic sound so I don't use it anymore. when i’m working, i’m using hardware for the main track and vsts are used for the additional track
@FlowJunkie65
@FlowJunkie65 5 месяцев назад
@@user-zd4qy5zl7iThank you for your reply! I used to own a Prophet 5 rev. 3, but sold her when I was only playing jazz piano. Many years later - now - I am playing in another band, but not playing jazz -- we are playing rock and pop and I wish I had my real Prophet 5! 😭 But, I am not willing to buy another Prophet, so I bought Arturia's V-Collection with the Prophet V -- which I feel is pretty good, but nothing is the same as a real Prophet. I also used to own a Roland JC-120x, a special edition of this amp that came with JBL speakers -- oh my god, this was such an amazing amp with the JBLs! But, I am much older now, and lifting that amp in and out of my car and on to stages is more difficult, so I also sold that 15 years ago. Now I use a Roland KC-550 -- pretty good, not great though. And, when I was selling my equipment, I also sold my Rhodes Stage Piano, which many of my keyboard pro friends told me that it had the best keybed action of any Rhodes that they had ever played before. I also sold it because I preferred carrying around a much lighter workstation - Korg Kronos 2 61 - that had so many Rhodes and other e-piano variations of the Dyna Rhodes, DX7, Yamaha Electric Grand, Clavinet, Wurlitzer, etc. Thanks for your reply!
@theandroids
@theandroids 8 месяцев назад
is it better than the Arturia version?
@chakko007
@chakko007 Год назад
"Envelope is really nice and snappy." - Maybe nice, but, snappy? 😉 Prophet-5 is not really known as having the most snappy envelopes. Not nearly as snappy as the ones in the Minimoog.
@tunnis7us
@tunnis7us 5 месяцев назад
this synth seems to missing voicings / unison mode. You can't add voices like in native instruments pro 53 or u-he repro.
@petersegerdahl5386
@petersegerdahl5386 2 месяца назад
It does have a unison mode where you can choose voices and detune amount. It's on a different panel (where the velocity and other settings are).
@tendingtropic7778
@tendingtropic7778 Год назад
Oooooh clickbait! was hoping for a comparison video with u-he repro
@GyuBeats
@GyuBeats Год назад
Did you not see that bit?
@tendingtropic7778
@tendingtropic7778 Год назад
Sorry!
@GyuBeats
@GyuBeats Год назад
@@tendingtropic7778 Hey no problem :)
@------YeahOK------
@------YeahOK------ 10 месяцев назад
I have the Arturia, Softube & U-He P5 plugins. But guaranteed in 5 years time, they will all bring out v4, v5 etc... so I thought fk it, and bought a real P10 (living on beans and toast for a while 😅) gotta say - I will never buy another P5 plugin again - sorry troops.
@GyuBeats
@GyuBeats 10 месяцев назад
Well that's fair! Congratulations on your purchase, I'm sure it's amazing 🙂🙌.
@AdamSpade
@AdamSpade Год назад
$5 Id bet on Softube sounds better and maybe even uses less cpu, but Repro has more features / fx and a community behind it with patches.
@AceGarpTruckingCo
@AceGarpTruckingCo Год назад
On the CPU score, sadly no. Model 80 is a hog, and when the voices cut out it doesn't even save power like Repro.
@chakko007
@chakko007 Год назад
@@AceGarpTruckingCo Yep, that's the main issue I see. It's a massive CPU hog.
@Groove81TV
@Groove81TV Год назад
Repo all the way
@MatthiasLindemann-hp2zr
@MatthiasLindemann-hp2zr Год назад
This sound starting at "0:07" was created with a Prophet 5, can you manage to replicate it? :D ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-I5LcaCd8DLk.html (The horn sound)
@bigjayrillah3508
@bigjayrillah3508 3 месяца назад
The hardware really blows away the software. It’s not even close really
@richardgraham65
@richardgraham65 Год назад
Why is the free sample pack NOT FREE? Your link goes to 10 quid and 5 quid links.
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