Is This The Saddest Doctor Who Finale Ever? 

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"You will identify." "You will identify first." "After you." "Ladies first." "Daleks have no concept of gender." "You have identified as Dalek." "Bugger, that was clever." "The Cybermen are known for their cleverness." "So you are Cybermen." "Bugger!"

My favourite moment is when Pete and Jackie meet again “I’m rich” “I don’t care about that.... how rich?” “Very” “I don’t care about that.... how very?”

Is this the saddest finale ever? Yes but actually no, because it introduces Donna who then goes on to have the saddest ending for a companion.

I always think it’s sad that this little moment setting up the ghost trap is overlooked- Jackie: “Just think of it though- all the people we’ve lost. Our families coming back home. Don’t you think it’s beautiful?” The Doctor: “I think it’s horrific.” Standout underrated exchange between Jackie and the Doctor in both series I think. The reaction she has to his response. Almost disgusted that he could think like that. I believe drove that conversation with Rose about how she’s changed. She suddenly realised that the Doctor was hiding a whole lot more than she ever imagined, and Rose brushed it off because she knows the whole story of the Time War as far as she’s concerned.

I was so sad to see Billie Piper go. I heard that she was not able to adjust to living & working in Cardiff and was lonely there, which, I heard, was the main reason for her leaving.

Murray Gold should definitely be a name heard more often when talking about DW. His job is insane and brings really a lot to the storytelling of the whole show.

Yall wrong the best line from this episode is '*laughs* no the Doctor will not'

4:45 "You even look like him." I love how Russell did the "Companion wants to become the Doctor but pays the price" Arc years before Clara, but it's so subtle no one talks about it. Just pay close attention to Rose in Turn Left and you'll see what I mean.

Did anyone else notice the subtle hints of their seperation throughout the entire season? I'd say the RTD era's overarching plot hints are more subtle than Moffat's, like Badwolf following them in the background without being brought explicit attention to until later in the season, Saxon's name getting name dropped and the "election" happening in the background, the "Doctor-Donna" where everyone keeps mistaking them as being "together," and then Rose's face popping up everywhere in season 4, trying to catch the Doctor's attention. So, I wondered if season 2 had any forshadowing about Rose's departure. I noticed that in Rose's adventures with the Doctor, they keep getting seperated in some way. Christmas Invasion, the Doctor is alseep for most of the episode. New Earth, Rose gets replaced by Cassandra for most of it. Tooth And Claw, Rose gets kidnapped and taken to the basement with the wolf. The Girl In The Fireplace, the Doctor momentarily gets stuck on the other side of France, thinking he can't get back to the spaceship where Rose and Mickey are. The Idiot's Lantern, she gets seperated from the Doctor again, getting face sucked by a TV for most of it. The Impossible Planet, she gets seperated when the Doctor ventures below the planet on the half-way mark, then Satan Pit where she's forcibly put on a spaceship against her will that will leave the planet and the Doctor behind. Then in Fear Her, she gets sucked away from the Doctor again, leaving him to solve the problem on his own. Has anyone else noticed this???

The best part about this two parter, is how terrifying the Daleks are. Even something like the Cybermen are just a nuisance to them, instead of a threat. In the words of Dalek Sec "This isn't war! This is pest control!". Shame they've become a more run of the mill villain over the years.....

"even though it's sassy and camp, i love--" lol I love it BECAUSE it's sassy and camp.

When writing this story, Russell had said he pivoted the entire plot around the two levers and the Void Wall, and - watching it back - he's quite right. The whole two-parter is building up to some colossal event in that room, with those levers, and he really stuck the landing when it came to that final scene in Torchwood Tower. Deus Ex Machina done right! All the Daleks and Cybermen are sucked out of the plot, but the structure and seeding of the mechanics to make it happen are planted so well that it works. One of Russell's better resolutions.

I still think this is one of the greatest companion departure stories of all time. Love it.

"Rather than being like a kid bashing some action figures together" *Shows Moffat playing with action figures*

3:23 Yvonne's so interesting, yeah! All that bollocks about the "The good of the British Empire", "Torchwood refuses to go metric", and - my personal favourite - "We must protect our borders from the aliens." And yet she's so much more than the archetypal Thatcherist Harriet-Jonesite. She stands her ground for humanity, but knows when to listen to the Doctor. Phenomenal character work. 3:57 Those dead eyes, the single tear, and the repeated line "I did my duty for Queen and Country" might just be the most evocative image of modern Doctor Who. Well, aside from the final shot of Family of Blood. Gets me every time.

As a not-really-fan, the verbal confrontation between the Cult of Skaro and the Cybermen is basically the highlight of the entirety of NuWho. Practically everything the Daleks say is absolute gold, and the Cybermen get a lot of good jabs in as well, with their different robotic voices adding so much to the absurdity of what is, essentially, just a verbal slapfight that ends with the Daleks throwing a tantrum and hanging up the phone.

This is one of the only Doctor Who episodes that I've not only watched over and over but can still feel that constant dread and butterfly nerves for how Rose will 'die', despite knowing what will happen! Like always, another great video!

Couple things here. 1. This is probably my favorite Jackie in all of Doctor Who. She's hilarious, yet heartfelt. She acts as such a mediator type character, and it's amazing that she finally got her happy ending, even if she had to watch her daughter crumble. On that note: 2. It often seems like I'm the only non-teenager, male Doctor Who fan who likes Rose and the Doctor's romance. Tennant (and Eccleston) was always a more human (still quite alien, though) Doctor. Thus, it made sense that he'd fall in love. And he's not the first to do so. Hartnell had a romantic interest in the Aztecs. I wasn't a fan of this, but whatever. Not to mention, it has been stated that he's had a family (Susan Foreman, anyone?), meaning he must have had a wife at one point. The movie (which sucked, don't get me wrong) also established a romantic role for the Doctor. In all honesty, saying the Doctor has always been a non-romantic character is disingenuous. He had kids, he had a wife. Who's to say that after 900 years and a war that wiped out his people that he wouldn't be open to a more personal relationship with someone. Note, at first he didn't feel this way, but after everything in Series 1 an 2, it's not unrealistic that the two would develop a romance. Time Lords are just as much a sexual species as humans. DISCLAIMER: Tumblr fangirls take it way too far. I agree. They do that with EVERYTHING. But that shouldn't be your only reason for writing this off. Note that I'm not saying you should like it because I say so. No, like what you want. However, it's not as "stupid" or "out of character "as you'd think. And yes, purists, I do watch Classic Who. I quite like it, in fact. Tennant's my favorite, but all of them (except Jodie) are held in high regard by me. 3. Can we go back to this level of writing? Please? This isn't just a Chibnall problem, this started in Series 7, some would argue Series 6. I love Smith and Capaldi's Doctors, and there are aspects of Series 7 through 10 that are amazing, but the magic, the character work, the gadget tinkering, the heart that Classic Who and the Davies era had... just peter out after the Ponds leave (that episode sucked anyway, though). I wanted to like both Clara and Bill, but Clara got old by Series 9, and Bill couldn't stop reminding you that she was gay. Like what you like, but you don't have to push it (like making her tell the First Doctor off when he mentions being "seasoned with the fairer sex" or whatever garbage they made my boy say. What did they do to my boy!?). Eccleston, Tennant, Piper, Agyeman, Barrowman, Tate, Cribbins, Clarke, Simm, and so many others brought Doctor Who to life. Smith, Darvill, and Gillan kept it going, and Capaldi and Gomez kept it alive. Now, I only really like Sacha Dawan's (I may have spelled that wrong, forgive me) Master. The show has lost its magic. We need writers, actors, and showrunners who understand the root of the show again.

I have to say, I always thought it made no sense for Pete to come back and save Rose, but Harry's Haunted House (Harry's Moving Castle) had a good explanation. He said that there was likely an argument on the other side about whether to leave Rose with the Doctor and go back for her. Jackie won the argument and Pete managed to save Rose just in time and with a second to spare before the void would've grabbed him too (he was able to resist the pull of the void, because of his stance and footing whereas Rose had absolutely nothing to hold her back from the void).

I like the: *Doctor leaves the room, walking in one direction* "No, Doctor!" *Doctor reappears walking the other way* moment. Perfect little trait! Kind of like the "Quit snoring!" moment from Abyss.

can we talk about the score of doomsday when rose is trapped behind the wall

Doomsday is one of my favourite episodes of the revived series. Indeed, the ending of "Doomsday" was truly sad and one of the saddest Doctor Who moments when The Doctor says goodbye to Rose. The Doctor crying in the TARDIS was so heartbreaking and good acting by David Tennant. Billie Piper was crying for real when the goodbye scene was filmed. A real shame Billie Piper had to go at the end of Series 2.

5:01 the doctor doesn’t accidentally pull jackie out, that was intentional maybe both to protect rose and because he knows/trusts rose is skilled enough to investigate on her own. that way he has one up on torchwood.

Regarding the Doctor pulling Jackie out of the TARDIS, I think he intentionally took Jackie, so that Rose could snoop around. Gotta love the cliffhanger at the end of Army of Ghosts. Just when you think it can't get any worse, the Daleks appear. Jackie's role in this episode is great. Wonder what happened to the Tyler's flat after they ended up in the parallel world.

The Doctor checks it's Jackie before pulling her out. It was no accident, he did it on purpose so that after he gets taken away and all the attention is on them, Rose is free to explore. Also, not only should Pete and Rose both have been sucked in in the time he was standing there for, I also find myself asking - "How did he know to teleport in in the first place anyway?"

I love the little exchange between Jackie and Pete. where she tries to act like she doesn't care that he's rich and he made it and the doctor's little smile at that moment and how it starts as them trying to skate around the elephant in the room but in the end that doesn't matter and they just run towards each other like in a cheesy romcom. its so saccharin but i love it.

I remember being devastated when I saw this growing up..

I like how this episode of Dr who was had a fair few call-backs like how the cybermen cut through the plastic sheets referencing the cyber tombs, the partly converted agents that had earpods like in age of steel etc. as well as a level of mystery that you could try to solve and the twist does not come out of left field as when I first looked at the void ship I thought that looks like a Dalek ball ball and the ghosts march and move very robotically. The clues where there from the start so when they are revealed you tend to go "ooooooooooh " rather then "that makes no sense".

The Greatest Showdown in 40 years in the making

"i'm... the doctor." "i ShOuLd SaY hOoRaY" *clap clap clap* idk why i love this so much

I only just realised Yvonne is val from Friday night dinner

Rewatched Doomsday just tonight (and Army of Ghosts last week), so this was well timed! Brilliant story. It does feel a bit mid-series two-parter in scale, but Rose's separation and departure really raises the stakes. All the cast are on top-form, and I love that we get to explore the parallel world idea more, since there's so many directions you can take it. Pete and Jackie's "reunion" is a particularly satisfying clashing of worlds. I only wish Background Radiation was explained in an earlier story. Maybe the Doctor doesn't use his Regeneration Energy to recharge the TARDIS in Rise of the Cyberman, but uses Background Radiation instead? Just comes out of nowhere otherwise.

I absolutely adore this two-parter, and even after 10+ years "Doomsday" still makes me sob more than any other episode of television since. Really enjoyed this review! Also appreciate that you take time to look at things objectively re: your reviews in general, and don't really seem to automatically jump to the negative side. Your channel is very refreshing for that reason, and I'm looking forward to your series 3 reviews! =)

I actually cried at the end of Doomsday. I think the love between Rose and the Doctor was just so strong that I couldn't bare it.

One thing I’ve never understood is why 10 was heartbroken about rose going to a parallel world when that was the initial plan anyways😂 when the doctor put the 3D glasses on rose he explained the plan and what it meant for rose and if you watch the scene he doesn’t seem to be bothered that much by it. Then when rose zaps herself back to the doctor he shouts at her for doing so but when she goes back to the parallel world he’s heartbroken for almost his entire era he never really got over it.

I actually love doomsday (but that’s probably because rose is my favourite companion) it was absolutely heartbreaking 😔💔

Since the TenRose relationship is a romance for the ages, the separation is equally (and properly) epic!

One major plot flaw I noticed on my most recent viewing, as much as I love this episode: Why isn't the Tardis affected by the portal suck, even tho it's been through the void? Could Rose and Co. have just hidden themselves inside and been fine?

I love the Cult of Skaro, especially Dalek Caan. Dalek Sec was great too but his shift from Dalek to Human was as much based around his biological change as any real character growth. Dalek Caan was still a full Dalek at the end of his life but since he witnessed the horrors of the Time War after his Emergency Temporal Shift at the end of Evolution of the Daleks (thanks to the context of Day of the Doctor, the Moment must have let him through the Time Lock), he had a change of heart that was purely based around his own view of the universe, rather than having it altered by becoming more Human. They do this again with Rusty during the Peter Capaldi era but not only did Caan do it first, but Capaldi seemed to forget all about his encounters with redeemable Daleks. Considering Clara WAS a Dalek in one of her echo lives, I understand why she slapped him because he seemed to forget about Oswin's sacrifice - Clara hinted in her final episode, although she framed it as a joke, that constantly being forgotten by the Doctor hurt more than she let on - but now I'm getting close to having one of my "Capaldi's Doctor was a sociopathic shitbag" rants.

8:15 - Me when my dad buys a new doorbell with a camera

This has to be one of the most quotable ep. "I did my duty for queen and country" "daleks have no concept of elegance" ... etc. Also the song doomsday is a dagger to the heart

God I remember watching this episode for the first time. I kept wondering when she was going to “die” but then the story distracted me and I forgot about it until it almost happened.

Is there something more adorable in the universe than David Tennant saying "WHAT?!"

Jackie is absolutely fantastic in this. Such beautiful scenes. I love the acoustic rendition of the Father’s Day theme while The Doctor is talking with Rose and Jackie about the ghosts x - Such a bombastic Finale that was always such a joy to watch. Also, LOVE Yvonne xx

One of the few bad things about this episode is that it's the reason why Cyberwoman exists... To quote Stubagful's Snuggly Chibnall Time: Stubagful - "The building was on fire, he was trying to get her out in a hurry and yet he had time to bring the entire Cyber Conversion unit." Jon - "I imagine him running back in with a sack and going, I need to pick up a Cyberman Helmet and this chest plate..."

I cry without fail every time I watch this ending. Such a good finale.

"I did my duty, for Queen and country!"

'Despite what tumblr would probably tell you, the main heart of this story . . . is Jackie Tyler' I genuinely don't know what this is supposed to mean.

The hook of Daleks vs Cybermen would have been good if the Cybermen weren't obviously completely and utterly outclassed. They didn't get a single Dalek kill if I remember correctly, so the Cybermen may as well have just been humans.

"This isn't war... it's pest control!" That may be my all-time favourite quote from Doctor Who

oh man does this story get me. i know lots of people hate the romance, but the end is acted SO well, my heart always breaks for them. it makes me cry every time i watch it

The only thing that really bugs me about this one is Pete's waaaaay too convenient timing and, what, wearing antivoid magnetic boots?? A better way to do it would have been to have it be a major coincidence, that Pete came back for Rose at Jackie's insistence, and Rose immediately slamming into his chest. He would grab her out of pure startled reflex, and she would have smacked the button with her arse, sending them both back to Pete's world. Not an inspired alternative, but it would have played better. I do dearly love that you declared this to be Jackie's episode. I would have forgiven much more just for the scene of her and Pete running to each other after that awkward but loving conversation.

The ending was beautiful ....the doctor gave her himself....or his meta-self. The doctor gave her himself and a tardis seed....he gave her more time to travel the universe with him :)

My Mum was away on a cruise the weekend Doomsday aired and my little seven year old brain couldn't comprehend how she would cope missing it. She was very good at hiding the fact that she didn't really care and only watched the show because it became compulsory family viewing on a Saturday evening 😂

i remember being soooo utterly shattered when ten and rose parted but funnily enough i never quite caught on to the romance aspect while watching the show i just thought rose was very fascinated with how cool the doctor is and how special she herself feels to be going along on these adventures with him so imagine my shock and quadrupled sadness when i realized they like each other loool when i watch back all the hints are pretty obvious and i can see why some people might not like the romance but i definitely do if not for anything else but the nostalgia lol

ANOTHER EPIC FINALE! Damn this two-parter's great! Rewatched it recently and it still epic to see Daleks, Cybermen, parallel universes and the departure of Rose all cramped in an almost 2-hour extravaganza! "Army Of Ghosts" is one of my favourite episodes in the show and is basically perfect to me, but the cliffhanger! THE CLIFFHANGER! My favourite cliffhanger EVER! I still get chills every time the Cybermen says "The sphere is not ours" and then BAM, DALEKS! What really sells it is Rose's reaction, her complete horror, really sells how AWESOME the Daleks are in RTD stories. Though "Doomsday" got some problems, like the Cybermen being overshadowed and the end scene with Rose being a bit drawn out, its still a great finale, and an emotional farewell to Rose...for now. But how the heck did Pete save Rose??? Like, he just happened to appear at the last minute and transport two people with one device??? Well, if that didn't happen, might have been a bit too dark. Anyways, enjoy watching these reviews. Takes us back to the golden age of DW.

Not that anyone will care about this comment, but I actually had Murray Gold's "Doomsday" played at my father's funeral, as one of the three songs we were allowed to choose. My step mom had never heard it before, and told me later it was "perfect."

The line "This is not war, this is pest control" has no right going as hard as it does but holy fuck is it amazing

Great video! I remember loving this episode when I first watched it and growing to hate it, but I've recently rewatched it and it's actually really good!

It's too early to be crying 😭 though maybe in nostalgic. Ut this episode will never age, and I think you can always pick apart things in doctor who episodes. And I think having it as a 3 parter would've been brilliant. Allowing the cyberman to shine a little more

I find the cyber men scarier than the daleks because the cyber men capture you and force you into a metal suit and strips away your personality whilst the daleks just kill you and that’s it. Also the person who looks like Martha/is acted by the same person who acted as Martha are cousins in doctor who

The only episode of Doctor Who I’ve ever cried at

I've recently been rewatching season 1 and 2 all the time, anytime I think of rose, I'm like right, back to first episode to watch rose again and again and again AND then again, literally the best two seasons that nw delivered the whole dynamic of rose and her family and the doctor every episode is amazing, albeit some have a few faults aka convenient plot points, but overall every episode with rose and the Doctor is a classic and great, maybe the azorbaloff and the drawing girl were weaker overall a great two series, and then on top of it, season 3 and 4 wrap up a 4 season story for all of them, amazing and you get too know every chareter and see them change and develop

Companion : I'm going travel with the doctor forever Me : oh well, I wonder who the next companion will be?

People despise this ending? Woah when I started watching Doctor Who (well into the Smith's era) this was held in such an high regard, at least between the people I'd read You know, the scene of them banging on the wall and that AMAZING Doomsday score, it was one of the things I knew would be really big and hit really hard (and honestly it did) And yeah the I'm burning up a sun just to say good bye/Rose Tyler I- thing as well (also the memes about it were kinda funny imo)

The greatest part was the Cyberman-Dalek sass off. It was brilliant.

I loved Martha in this story.

i actually assumed the doctor pulled jackie out of the tardis on purpose so rose could stay behind unnoticed and investigate

The saddest moment EVER in Doctor Who is when 10 regenerates.❤️❤️David you are and ALWAYS will be the best doctor ever.

y'know, I think the only reason I didn't like army of ghosts/doomsday for a while was because of how people overplayed the romantic bits of it which irks me, but nowadays I can tune that stuff out and focus on what I do like... like the bitchfight of canary wharf. also gonna say this the scientist in the voidship room is kinda hot ngl

In some ways "the Parting of the Ways" is more touching, especially for those of us who could see Nine falling in love with Rose!

Yes-we all love Rose (as does the Doctor), and her leaving is beyond heartbreaking....

In my opinion The Parting of the Ways is the saddest because of Ecclestons regeneration

maybe it's not being a brit, and having no idea who Catherine Tate was at the time. But these stingers never work for me. Didn't care who she was, still processing what had just happened. I felt the same with Matt Smith at the end of Ten's run, him being quirky and cute right after"I don't want to go" kinda pissed me off. I get what they are doing, I truly do, it just doesn't work for me. Moments after "I will always remember when the Doctor was me" I really did not give a damn if Capaldi could fly the ship. I suppose I want a little longer than ten seconds to grieve, rather than have the blow soften by the next thing we're meant to love.

One brilliant quote “So you’re sending the Daleks and Cybermen to Hell?” *turns to friend* “Told you he was good!”

The idea of the daleks vs the Cybermen start back in 1968 in the original script of the wheel in space lost missing story in pat trougton's second season I think

While not the show itself the most saddest gutwrenching finale of Doctor Who would be "Lucie Miller/To The Death" from Eight Doctor's Big Finish Adventures and nothing will ever top that for me.

I always assumed the doctor pulled Jackie out deliberately so Rose could explore later on.

III Nino's "How Can I Live?" would make a good tribute song for this 2 parter.

Why did they choose to have the same actress who played 'Martha' in the episode shortly before Martha was a thing I'm so confused

I cried when everyone left (except for Martha). Martha left alive and wasn't as heart wrenching. I still cried a lot during "Doomsday." I cried a lot during "Face the Raven." I cried a lot during "Journey's End." And I cried a lot during "World Enough and Time."

I love this channel so much

Bro that exist of rose made me cry. No bs it killed me. This tough guy fighter... tears from TV show

Rose is as responsible for the reinvigorated Who as much as the Doctor

WE STAN JACKIE TYLER IN THIS HOUSE

I think the new series has the reverse problem when it comes to companion departures. They are all far too overdramatic. I think Martha and Mickey actually have the best departures from the Tardis.

I know it's not the point of this video but I found it really interesting that you said he pulled jackie out of the tardis by accident - i'd always thought he did it on purpose so that rose could investigate, I've never considered that he just messed up! I like your take more honestly because it gives rose her agency where she chose to sneak around on her own, and wasn't just following orders

also, did anyone else notice the scene with the Cybermen cutting through the plastic is a clever reference to Tomb of the Cybermen?

Love this video, but have to disagree on a small point. I think the Doctor didn't grab Jackie by accident. He didn't plan to introduce his companion at all, and when forced to, he choose to leave Rose in the TARDIS. The look he shares with Rose while being escorted away communicates loads. I agree, above all, that this could have done well as a 3-parter with the opening of the Genesis Ark as the cliffhanger of episode 2; in fact, episode 2 could have been titled "The Genesis Ark" (very Doctor Who, don't you think?) There *was* so much action that it's hard to keep up. The best recommendation one can give for this 2-parter finale is that whatever its faults, it never ceases to make me emotional no matter how many times I view it. And not just the ending. I absolutely love lighter moments like the Doctor getting sassy with the Cult of Skaro ("The Doctor will open the Genesis Ark!" ~laughs~ "The Doctor will not!" Davies did this kind of humor-in-the-middle-of-crisis well, as revisited when Ten confronted Davros in Journey's End ("Oh, I have the word: You're the Dalek's PET!") The scene of Mickey returning to Rose make me smile, Jackie and Pete's reunion makes my heart swell right along with Rose's, and the scene at Bad Wolf Bay makes me snot-cry as much as Rose. Fabulous stuff. All episodes have holes and this one being so huge did have some huge holes, but it still ranks among the best of RTD's era.

Imo the most underrated part of Doomsday is the Dalek and Cybermen banter. The cocky daleks make it so fun to watch

Honestly, Ive never liked Rose as a companion so it was honestly the happiest ending to finally see her gone.

and you can't ignore that Ghostbusters Reference

The doctor doesn’t accidentally pull Jackie out of the tardis, you can see him feel her face to make sure it isn’t rose (a move that Jackie would be fine with because it’s the doctor protecting rose)

it may not be the saddest to some but it was the saddest to me. She didn't get to hear him say it back until years later. Thinking that would be the last she saw of him and never getting to hear him say the words. ugh.

4:55 - Is it accidental? I always took is as a deliberate move on the Doctor's part.

This was a perfect exit for rose and it was a great epic story however I felt the ending of her exit was kind of ruined when they brought her back in series 4 cause it felt not only self loathing but also it overshadowed Donna's final story abit the whole series 4 should had only been bout her and the final still would had worked. I like rose but I felt her original goodbye was a better one than the second one i felt it was just too melodramatic.

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4.57 accidentally? I always interpreted that as him deliberately pulling Jackie out so Rose could go snooping around. It's been awhile since I saw it though so I might be forgetting something

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